November NPD

[Third]

I used to be extremely pro-sony but goddamn do they fucking suck. The PS3 and PSP are two of the biggest fuck-ups ever but you'll never hear about it moat of the time.

Huh? Both platforms have an amazing game line-up. Maybe a fuck up on a business standpoint. But when it comes to quality, both platforms deliver in big amount.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

BTW, http://www.yearofps3.com/ has been updated to reflect Sony's glorious victory

[Shaka Khan]

[demi]

Just bought Infamous, 3D Heroes and Demons Souls for $35 off Gamefly

Quality PS3 Games, the complete series 

I'm hoping Heavy Rain goes on sale for the holiday. They are having holiday sales starting the 21st or so.

[Brehvolution]

Which one of you is this poster?

[Raban]

Sad.

Fuck you, Evilore.

[demi]

Borys is still a name to reckon with when he's not GET OUT OF HERE STALKER

[Shaka Khan]

What's your GAF handle, starselect? I won't tell Evilore, honest.

[Mr. Gundam]

Just bought Infamous, 3D Heroes and Demons Souls for $35 off Gamefly

Quality PS3 Games, the complete series 

I'm hoping Heavy Rain goes on sale for the holiday. They are having holiday sales starting the 21st or so.

Heavy Rain doesn't want to drop below $35, I'm holding out for $20 or $25.

[demi]

It was $20 or so last time it was on sale at GF... I just didnt have reason to buy it at the time.

[maxy]

Ah,hitting PS3 fans with reality is not fun anymore.
This NPD sucks

December will be worse

Some people are even blaming Kevin Butler,poor guy :'(

[Raban]

What's your GAF handle, starselect? I won't tell Evilore, honest.

I've already been perm'd, homie.

[cool breeze]

with the shooting, yeah, but i'm thinking about all the climbing parts

yeah, that's why I think Infamous 2 with move controls will also have problems.  It's good for normal shooters where you're always controlling the camera, but Uncharted and Infamous have more platformer controls until you hold down the aim button.  Sometimes you're running towards the screen and just need to rotate the camera around the player, not so much aim and all that.  The usual Wii shooter controls don't work well for that and I think it's why you never that in Wii games; non-shooters on the Wii just have camera controls on the d-pad.


also, since there is talk of the move here, sony announced a new official gun thing called the sharp shooter.  It's expensive at $40, but it isn't just mechanical switches like what the Wii or other gun shells normally have.  So the buttons shouldn't have that tug feeling and they're remapped to other parts on the controller (like that button under the trigger is the A...uh, 'move' button.  It's also pump action and has a firing mode switch (I have no idea why).



I'd totally get it if it was ever cheap.  The main reason I got the move was holding onto the hope that it would get some lightgun shooters; I did the same for the Guncon 3 and that didn't turn out the way I wanted.

[Eel O'Brian]

[youtube=560,345]UAXwwO2ykf0[/youtube]

[Himu]

I used to be extremely pro-sony but goddamn do they fucking suck. The PS3 and PSP are two of the biggest fuck-ups ever but you'll never hear about it moat of the time.

psp is hardly a fuck up. It is the most successful rival to nintendo's handheld empire pre-apple. its just that it isn't nearly as popular as the ds and no one buys the games (probably due to the multimedia emphasis). but then everyone is shat on by ds from a great height so that's not really fair.

[Beezy]

I used to be extremely pro-sony but goddamn do they fucking suck. The PS3 and PSP are two of the biggest fuck-ups ever but you'll never hear about it moat of the time.

psp is hardly a fuck up. It is the most successful rival to nintendo's handheld empire pre-apple. its just that it isn't nearly as popular as the ds and no one buys the games (probably due to the multimedia emphasis). but then everyone is shat on by ds from a great height so that's not really fair.

sounds like a fuck up to me

[Himu]

well, no one buys the bulk of ds games either.

[maxy]

Speaking of PSP

NPD PSP sales are?

Come on,somebody must know something

They are shit probably,even Sony didn't mention PSP
PSP2 will have a rough start

[Himu]

A bomb is a bomb. Saying psp is a fuck up because a niche rpg bombs whereas ds isn't when a niche rpg bombs the same amount is stupid and exposes your own foolish biases.

[Raban]

I think it should be made clear that it's fair to consider the PSP a financial failure. For gamers, however, the PSP was a success.

[Himu]

It's definitely a financial failure, but given the amount of units it has sold worldwide, it's still nothing to scoff at and Sony shouldn't be ashamed of psp, not at all.

[huckleberry]

I am just surprised at the awesome fucking games still being released on the PSP.  I'm sure that many of them were in development for a while.....but still.

[AdmiralViscen]

ooooook, glad that's settled

[Himu]

How much did Kingdom Hearts: BBS sell?

[demi]

Look it up

[Himu]

make me

[demi]

[Raban]

lmao

[Beezy]

[Robo]

Achievement Unlocked: stand up to the final boss of evilbore and discover humility  (50GP)

[Himu]

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do ur worst, snookums

[Brehvolution]

[EmCeeGrammar]

 I can only take solace in the fact that I'm living in the only goddam country that seems to have gotten tired of motion controls.  

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oh god why is japan the only sane country wtf twilight zone is this  

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There's not much evidence for or against this. Wii Party and Wii Sports resort still chart, and otherwise its hard to gauge the public interest when there is no Wii software emphasizing motion control being released.  Although I could give credence to the argument that the poor wii performance in general is a result of disinterest with the platform inherently. Although the fanboy in me wants to attribute, again,  that to the lack of steady releases.

Chickens begetting eggs begetting chickens

[Bocsius]

The ban screen is awesome. Seems complicated

What about that seems complicated?

He's Polish.

[Third]

 

[maxy]

Borys


Some numbers


It looks like sbots are becoming shooter fans

The remaining versions of the game -- for the Nintendo DS, Nintendo Wii, and retail sales for Windows PC -- accounted for the other 400,000 units making up the already-confirmed total, with digital sales via outlets such as Steam not taken into account for this total.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/31995/Exclusive_Black_Ops_For_Xbox_360_Sells_Nearly_5_Million_In_US.php
DD sales

Wii
DS

saw this on gaf

So what will be Sony Killer App for 2011?

Answer:Call of Duty

[Smooth Groove]

Seriously, those numbers are pretty good for a 3rd place platform.  As fun as it is to laugh at Sony, the PS3 is probably the strongest 3rd place system ever and it isn't going away anytime soon. 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Move is DOA.

Kinect is doing well only because it is being heavily advertised.  Left to its own devices, it will probably produce Move-like results (ie, shit) within a few months.  I'm still convinced at this time that these are just tests to see what works well and what doesn't for the next generation of systems.  Uncharted 3 not using Move makes sense because Move was never meant to be a serious alternative to playing games on the PS3.  It's just an experimental device.  Also, for major releases, first party developers seem to hold back on motion device gaming.  Nintendo knew that for Super Mario Galaxy 1 and 2 to be taken seriously, the game had minimal motion control elements.  Even the first party developers know that motion gaming is not to be taken seriously when it comes to a serious effort.

Anyway, the PS3 isn't dead but it is a solidly third place console.  To drop 25% YOY is pathetic but as the last place console, it really doesn't matter.  You know Sony really wants this turd flushed but given the massive amounts of red ink for the system and the huge costs of another system, they're keeping it around to recoup as much of the costs as possible.  Sony is trapped in their own prison.  I wouldn't consider it a failure but had it been a system without having the name "PlayStation" on it, it never would have got off the ground.

I expect Wii sales to be as insane as they were in December 2009, which sold 3 million that month if I recall.  Unless they hit a shortage or something.  Xbox 360 will have significant gains over last year and the PS3 will be at 12/09 levels or less.

[EmCeeGrammar]

I'd say there's considerable evidence for it.  Move bombed harder in Japan than anywhere else, Kinect bombed harder in Japan than anywhere else, the Wii sells worse in Japan than anywhere else, literally nothing but Nintendo's major pushed efforts in motion control are selling at all (and in spite of what you believe, there's plenty of motion-based software getting released for the thing, it's just shit-level crap that never gets talked about), and even Nintendo's major pushed efforts are yielding poorer and poorer returns.

If you can find a way to account for all of that occuring without Japan getting tired of motion controls, I'm all ears.

Move is a highly derivative product that makes no attempts at differentiating itself. It comes off a cheap knockoff like the Vii systems in the USA preloaded with a bunch of genesis roms.  Kinect is going to bomb no matter what, theres no salvaging the xbox brand in Japan.

As to your next points, I HAVE been paying attention to media create threads for the longest, so I'm well aware of the situation in japan right now. That situation being whereas the ps3 sells more than the wii, but the ps3 itself is not selling well, just better. That might have something to do with -as I said- no steady stream of software for the wii  to prop itself up between tentpole releases. We both know Wii Party is doing well, and I honestly don't expect amateur hour software utilizing motion control to stand out to consumers either. Unless your data suggests that outside of Japan its the typical norm for certain shovelware to sell hundreds of thousands of units

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let's ignore Just dance

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. Again I don't have access to any data like that, so I'll concede the point if that's the case.

I still think motion controls are desirable to many many people worldwide, its just that they aren't being served with new desirable software. Nintendo made the huge mistake of expecting third parties to pick up the slack, while releasing nothing for long periods of time. They have failed to capitalize on their new customers as a result.

[maxy]

Kinect is doing well only because it is being heavily advertised.

wrong.

Kinect has a really good word of mouth and mass market loves it.Wii is an old hat now,it has a price advantage,but that is it

people are like

"My family wanted a Wii but we got Kinect instead.It was really expensive but totally worth it"

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think the idea that people are choosing one over the other is a faulty analysis. Wii sold as well this holiday as it did last year in spite of the Kinect launch.  Kinect hasn't effected its appeal, at least not yet.  There's also the question if Kinect is going to sustain its momentum going into the next year, and I'm not really seeing any software to do that. Sure Suda guy and Panzer Dragoon guy and other niche guys are making games for it, but when did Sin and Punishment 2 and No More Heroes do for sustaining Wii sales? NNNOOOOOOOTTHHHIIIIIIIINNG.

[iconoclast]

I think MS is funding those games (and Steel Battalion) solely to attract the gamer who was 100% never going to buy a Kinect in the first place. Well that's how they got me on board, anyway.

There will still be all the big mainstream games with Kinect features. Like the rumored Gears Kinect or whatever

[Purple Filth]

Move is a highly derivative product that makes no attempts at differentiating itself. It comes off a cheap knockoff like the Vii systems in the USA preloaded with a bunch of genesis roms.  Kinect is going to bomb no matter what, theres no salvaging the xbox brand in Japan.

As to your next points, I HAVE been paying attention to media create threads for the longest, so I'm well aware of the situation in japan right now. That situation being whereas the ps3 sells more than the wii, but the ps3 itself is not selling well, just better. That might have something to do with -as I said- no steady stream of software for the wii  to prop itself up between tentpole releases. We both know Wii Party is doing well, and I honestly don't expect amateur hour software utilizing motion control to stand out to consumers either. Unless your data suggests that outside of Japan its the typical norm for certain shovelware to sell hundreds of thousands of units

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let's ignore Just dance

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. Again I don't have access to any data like that, so I'll concede the point if that's the case.

I still think motion controls are desirable to many many people worldwide, its just that they aren't being served with new desirable software. Nintendo made the huge mistake of expecting third parties to pick up the slack, while releasing nothing for long periods of time. They have failed to capitalize on their new customers as a result.

Ehn, whatever duder.  I didn't have the energy to argue with people about this shit at GAF anymore, I'm certainly not going to do it here.  I bow to your superior knowledge of the Japanese people.

Didn't know he lived in Japan now.

[EmCeeGrammar]

Move is a highly derivative product that makes no attempts at differentiating itself. It comes off a cheap knockoff like the Vii systems in the USA preloaded with a bunch of genesis roms.  Kinect is going to bomb no matter what, theres no salvaging the xbox brand in Japan.

As to your next points, I HAVE been paying attention to media create threads for the longest, so I'm well aware of the situation in japan right now. That situation being whereas the ps3 sells more than the wii, but the ps3 itself is not selling well, just better. That might have something to do with -as I said- no steady stream of software for the wii  to prop itself up between tentpole releases. We both know Wii Party is doing well, and I honestly don't expect amateur hour software utilizing motion control to stand out to consumers either. Unless your data suggests that outside of Japan its the typical norm for certain shovelware to sell hundreds of thousands of units

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let's ignore Just dance

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. Again I don't have access to any data like that, so I'll concede the point if that's the case.

I still think motion controls are desirable to many many people worldwide, its just that they aren't being served with new desirable software. Nintendo made the huge mistake of expecting third parties to pick up the slack, while releasing nothing for long periods of time. They have failed to capitalize on their new customers as a result.

Ehn, whatever duder.  I didn't have the energy to argue with people about this shit at GAF anymore, I'm certainly not going to do it here.  I bow to your superior knowledge of the Japanese people.

But you live in japan and I don't ... you facetious bastard!

[SantaC]

DKC didnt do so bad for a Wii game. Certainly better than Other M...

the broken waggle in DKC is the thing that putting me off...

[maxy]

Gamasutra article

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/6230/npd_behind_the_numbers_november_.php

Yeah,360 is dominating


 

For example, looking just at the effect of hardware bundle sales, we believe that Microsoft's average price for an Xbox 360 sold in November was around $290, which is more than $40 more than last month's average. Moreover, Wedbush's Pachter commented in his notes to investors that one half of all Xbox 360 systems sold in November were bundled with Kinect.

Some interesting stuff about Sony

While the hardware bundles were modestly popular in October (when 1/3 of PS3 hardware systems were Move bundles), that popularity has waned through November with the fraction of Move bundles falling to 1/5.

According to Wedbush's Pacter, PS3 titles with “Move” in the title have sold fewer than 200,000 units collectively. (That doesn't count games that have been retrofitted for Move compatibility.)

Top 5 Move games

As for Sony's other systems, the PS2 and PSP, we have little to say. The PSP's hardware sales of about 288,000 units were practically flat in November compared to November 2009. At the same time, software sales have tumbled further, to about half the level seen in November last year.

It is becoming extremely difficult to explain why hardware sales continue at an extremely modest pace while software sales go to zero, outside of some explanation involving firmware hacks and illegally distributed software copies.

If consumer are buying the PSP as a media device only, they are inexplicably declining to purchase more powerful and more feature-rich devices at a similar price.

Finally, the venerable PS2 will probably be considered a dead system after this Christmas. With November sales around 80,000 units, this is the first year since its launch in October 2000 that the system has not sold more than 1 million units.

[Mupepe]

I think the idea that people are choosing one over the other is a faulty analysis. Wii sold as well this holiday as it did last year in spite of the Kinect launch.  Kinect hasn't effected its appeal, at least not yet.  There's also the question if Kinect is going to sustain its momentum going into the next year, and I'm not really seeing any software to do that. Sure Suda guy and Panzer Dragoon guy and other niche guys are making games for it, but when did Sin and Punishment 2 and No More Heroes do for sustaining Wii sales? NNNOOOOOOOTTHHHIIIIIIIINNG.

You're also forgetting that the 360, unlike the Wii, is very much a hardcore system and a casual system at the same time.  There is room for those types of titles on the 360, not so much the Wii.  No parent is going to look at that and say "eh, I'll get this for the kid" but there are hundreds of thousands of young gamers who will totally get it for themselves.

[Great Rumbler]

R.U.S.E. made the top five. 

[MyNameIsMethodis]

It's not even worth the effort arguing with you xshits on this dead forum anymore. I rather argue at SA.

[Eel O'Brian]

it's hard to argue with numbers!  there's all kinds of math involved!

[cool breeze]

the maths are passé

[Stoney Mason]

It's not even worth the effort arguing with you xshits on this dead forum anymore. I rather argue at SA.

My favorite part about Sonybots is their genuine confusion about how this gen went down. They honestly can't fathom how their system didn't rock the shit out of the world. I mean its got Uncharted and Gran Tourismo after all!

[EmCeeGrammar]

I think the idea that people are choosing one over the other is a faulty analysis. Wii sold as well this holiday as it did last year in spite of the Kinect launch.  Kinect hasn't effected its appeal, at least not yet.  There's also the question if Kinect is going to sustain its momentum going into the next year, and I'm not really seeing any software to do that. Sure Suda guy and Panzer Dragoon guy and other niche guys are making games for it, but when did Sin and Punishment 2 and No More Heroes do for sustaining Wii sales? NNNOOOOOOOTTHHHIIIIIIIINNG.

You're also forgetting that the 360, unlike the Wii, is very much a hardcore system and a casual system at the same time.  There is room for those types of titles on the 360, not so much the Wii.  No parent is going to look at that and say "eh, I'll get this for the kid" but there are hundreds of thousands of young gamers who will totally get it for themselves.

I'm specifically referring to the long term appeal of Kinect, not the host console.  Hardcores have made it plenty clear that the notion of having to exert ones self is a hostile threat to their hobby.

[demi]

It's not even worth the effort arguing with you xshits on this dead forum anymore. I rather argue at SA.

Cool, so be distinguished mentally-challenged there. You are welcome to act normal here. Thanks.

[Mupepe]

I think the idea that people are choosing one over the other is a faulty analysis. Wii sold as well this holiday as it did last year in spite of the Kinect launch.  Kinect hasn't effected its appeal, at least not yet.  There's also the question if Kinect is going to sustain its momentum going into the next year, and I'm not really seeing any software to do that. Sure Suda guy and Panzer Dragoon guy and other niche guys are making games for it, but when did Sin and Punishment 2 and No More Heroes do for sustaining Wii sales? NNNOOOOOOOTTHHHIIIIIIIINNG.

You're also forgetting that the 360, unlike the Wii, is very much a hardcore system and a casual system at the same time.  There is room for those types of titles on the 360, not so much the Wii.  No parent is going to look at that and say "eh, I'll get this for the kid" but there are hundreds of thousands of young gamers who will totally get it for themselves.

I'm specifically referring to the long term appeal of Kinect, not the host console.  Hardcores have made it plenty clear that the notion of having to exert ones self is a hostile threat to their hobby.

I dunno.  I think a lot of hardcore gamers are against it, but tons of them bought the Wii when it came out and cried when hardcore games on the system tanked.  I think they're open to it but were burned pretty hard with the Wii.  But I guess we'll find out when hardcore Kinect games actually make it out.

[magus]

This is like that flood scene from Fantasia, but instead of water, its fanboy tears.

so it's like this?

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[maxy]

stolen from gaf,source is Jeffries.

Our checks indicate a near nationwide sellout of Kinect, which is on pace to be the fastest-selling device of all time. We have lifted our forward ests. Kinect is also an important psychological win for Microsoft and its success may help neutralize the current negative
sentiment on the stock.

It is selling at 2.5x the rate of the iPad since debut: Kinect is on track to sell 100,000 units per day through Christmas (five million units over 50 days); the iPad sold 1mm units in the first 27 days it was available. However, Kinect sales are likely to slow post the holiday season.
Still, the technology has applicability beyond gaming, and we see Kinect as an important psychological win for Microsoft as it seeks to regain relevance in consumer tech.

SF chronicles has summary also
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2010/12/15/businessinsider-microsoft-getting-an-important-psychological-win-with-kinect-2010-12.DTL

[Howard Alan Treesong]

You know what is most amazing about this NPD is that CoD has become so popular that the PS3 version nipped at the heels of Halo Reach for first month sales.  It kind of puts in perspective how much the game has outpaced everything else out there.

Activision
Blizzard
Activision Blizzard

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Guitar Hero
Tony Hawk

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[Smooth Groove]

COD has become what Madden used to be.  People buy it on day 1 before even reading reviews or getting feedback from friends.

[maxy]

COD is like PS3 Halo.It helps the system much more than any exclusive game.Those millions will be there next year too.