Wada "We have to reconstruct all our brands again"

[magus]

you know i always tought "man wouldn't it be cool if another gaming crash happened? maybe we could return to ye olde snes times where it seemed people didn't give a fuck about target audience and the like...."

You're getting older. Life ain't gonna cater your specific tastes for all your life. Might as well get use to it. It's going to apply to every other area for the rest of your life as well.

well at least think of the drama!
DRAMAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Himu]

Or how people say they're all the same while ignoring SMT or DQ or tri ace games, or the world ends with you, or demon's souls or Valkyrie chronicles or ettian odyssey. Oh but demon's souls isn't a jrpg, it's obviously based on western gaming! You mean like Etrian Odyssey or the amount of roguelikes out there? Because DS is the same thing just about. I just named a shit load of RPGs from japan and they all play differently. Where is the counter argument? It is the most diverse genre. Just about every genre sticks to the same shit: fighting, puzzle, shooter, whatever. But just about every jrpg that is worth playing is different from it's peers and by an extension so are wrpgs. Compare Mass Effect to Fallout 3, they are totally different experiences: and this why the rpg will always be the greatest genre: it's variety.

[Great Rumbler]

I used to play a ton of JRPGs, but I don't play that many anymore.

[Stoney Mason]

I used to play a ton of JRPGs, but I don't play that many anymore.

Same.

I won't overly go into the reasons because that tends to bring out fights in people but same.

Actually that goes for a lot of japanese games for me outside of Nintendo.

[magus]

i used to play a ton of JRPGs

then i got a wii :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

[Positive Touch]

I used to play a ton of JRPGs, but I don't play that many anymore.

i used to play them and think how awesome it would be when they'd be able to get past menu systems and integrate that kind of stuff into more conventional action games.  then they did it and i stopped playing jrpgs.  never looked back because the general pacing doesn't appeal to me.

[Himu]

Psp has all the answers

[magus]

http://i.imgur.com/bFeoW.jpg

ya know i got a laugh at this image but i swear the last time i saw this posted the first was comment was all himuro like "BUBUBUBUBUBU SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI!"

[Himu]

I can't read that shit and yeah bububut SMT!

[magus]

you are a stick in the mud

[Himu]

Sorry for realizing SMT owns buddy

[The Sceneman]

fucken weeaboos

I mean I like j-games as much as the nexy guy but nicca plz

[tiesto]

I used to play a ton of JRPGs, but I don't play that many anymore.

Same.

I won't overly go into the reasons because that tends to bring out fights in people but same.

Actually that goes for a lot of japanese games for me outside of Nintendo.

I actually used to play and enjoy lot more american games growing up, but nowadays I don't. Seems outside of the indies (XBLA/XBLIG/Wiiware/PC), they're all becoming so derivative of one another.

[Great Rumbler]

I used to play a ton of JRPGs, but I don't play that many anymore.

Actually that goes for a lot of japanese games for me outside of Nintendo.

Yeah, I'm the same way. I had a PC, even growing up, but I only played a few games on it, and instead spent most of time with consoles instead. Now I play mostly PC games from America/Europe. Not sure what caused such a shift, but that's how it's gone with me. I mean, I'll still play some Japanese console games from time to time, but not that many and not that often.

[Diunx]

What we need is Suikoden VI(by the suiko 3 team), ff can go fuck itself.

[iconoclast]

I actually used to play and enjoy lot more american games growing up, but nowadays I don't. Seems outside of the indies (XBLA/XBLIG/Wiiware/PC), they're all becoming so derivative of one another.

I still play a lot of western games and I enjoy [most of] them for what they are, I just think they don't hold a candle to the best Japanese games. Although, if I were big into PC games (namely FPS and RTS) instead of fighters, action games, and arcade games, I'd see things the other way around.

[Stoney Mason]

I used to play a ton of JRPGs, but I don't play that many anymore.

Actually that goes for a lot of japanese games for me outside of Nintendo.

Yeah, I'm the same way. I had a PC, even growing up, but I only played a few games on it, and instead spent most of time with consoles instead. Now I play mostly PC games from America/Europe. Not sure what caused such a shift, but that's how it's gone with me. I mean, I'll still play some Japanese console games from time to time, but not that many and not that often.

I've bounced back and forth over my life. I began on computers pre-PC. Moved to consoles. And then gamed on everything for awhile. When I got my first taste of money I bought every platform under the sun.

I'm pretty much over that phase. I game primarily on a single console and on the PC and the ios platforms. Between those and limited time I get exactly what I want. Gaming is perfectly fine for my tastes. In fact never been better. I legit feel sorry for those that can't find things they enjoy but I admit I also like to mock them as sometimes they come off as annoying.

Gaming changes.  Always will. Genres come and go and have their heyday and then decline. It is what it is. 

[Smooth Groove]

Or how people say they're all the same while ignoring SMT or DQ or tri ace games, or the world ends with you, or demon's souls or Valkyrie chronicles or ettian odyssey. Oh but demon's souls isn't a jrpg, it's obviously based on western gaming! You mean like Etrian Odyssey or the amount of roguelikes out there? Because DS is the same thing just about. I just named a shit load of RPGs from japan and they all play differently. Where is the counter argument? It is the most diverse genre. Just about every genre sticks to the same shit: fighting, puzzle, shooter, whatever. But just about every jrpg that is worth playing is different from it's peers and by an extension so are wrpgs. Compare Mass Effect to Fallout 3, they are totally different experiences: and this why the rpg will always be the greatest genre: it's variety.

They're just superficial differences in most cases.  JRPG fans always talk about how the systems are different but the gameplay mostly still boils down to the same primitive rock-paper-scissors strategy.

[tiesto]

Or how people say they're all the same while ignoring SMT or DQ or tri ace games, or the world ends with you, or demon's souls or Valkyrie chronicles or ettian odyssey. Oh but demon's souls isn't a jrpg, it's obviously based on western gaming! You mean like Etrian Odyssey or the amount of roguelikes out there? Because DS is the same thing just about. I just named a shit load of RPGs from japan and they all play differently. Where is the counter argument? It is the most diverse genre. Just about every genre sticks to the same shit: fighting, puzzle, shooter, whatever. But just about every jrpg that is worth playing is different from it's peers and by an extension so are wrpgs. Compare Mass Effect to Fallout 3, they are totally different experiences: and this why the rpg will always be the greatest genre: it's variety.

They're just superficial differences in most cases.  JRPG fans always talk about how the systems are different but the gameplay mostly still boils down to the same primitive rock-paper-scissors strategy.

Still more in depth than most WRPG combat systems, which usually try to mar a subpar action game over an RPG framework. I remember doing nothing but spam the attack button and winning both Jade Empire and Fable. And then Fallout 3 where the strategy mostly boiled down to "go to VATS and target the enemy's head".

[Smooth Groove]

Or how people say they're all the same while ignoring SMT or DQ or tri ace games, or the world ends with you, or demon's souls or Valkyrie chronicles or ettian odyssey. Oh but demon's souls isn't a jrpg, it's obviously based on western gaming! You mean like Etrian Odyssey or the amount of roguelikes out there? Because DS is the same thing just about. I just named a shit load of RPGs from japan and they all play differently. Where is the counter argument? It is the most diverse genre. Just about every genre sticks to the same shit: fighting, puzzle, shooter, whatever. But just about every jrpg that is worth playing is different from it's peers and by an extension so are wrpgs. Compare Mass Effect to Fallout 3, they are totally different experiences: and this why the rpg will always be the greatest genre: it's variety.

They're just superficial differences in most cases.  JRPG fans always talk about how the systems are different but the gameplay mostly still boils down to the same primitive rock-paper-scissors strategy.

Still more in depth than most WRPG combat systems, which usually try to mar a subpar action game over an RPG framework. I remember doing nothing but spam the attack button and winning both Jade Empire and Fable. And then Fallout 3 where the strategy mostly boiled down to "go to VATS and target the enemy's head".

But those games are more action-adventure games than rpgs, like Zelda.  I don't really consider those games RPGS because RPGS shouldn't be built around reflexive gaming. 

[tiesto]

Or how people say they're all the same while ignoring SMT or DQ or tri ace games, or the world ends with you, or demon's souls or Valkyrie chronicles or ettian odyssey. Oh but demon's souls isn't a jrpg, it's obviously based on western gaming! You mean like Etrian Odyssey or the amount of roguelikes out there? Because DS is the same thing just about. I just named a shit load of RPGs from japan and they all play differently. Where is the counter argument? It is the most diverse genre. Just about every genre sticks to the same shit: fighting, puzzle, shooter, whatever. But just about every jrpg that is worth playing is different from it's peers and by an extension so are wrpgs. Compare Mass Effect to Fallout 3, they are totally different experiences: and this why the rpg will always be the greatest genre: it's variety.

They're just superficial differences in most cases.  JRPG fans always talk about how the systems are different but the gameplay mostly still boils down to the same primitive rock-paper-scissors strategy.

Still more in depth than most WRPG combat systems, which usually try to mar a subpar action game over an RPG framework. I remember doing nothing but spam the attack button and winning both Jade Empire and Fable. And then Fallout 3 where the strategy mostly boiled down to "go to VATS and target the enemy's head".

But those games are more action-adventure games than rpgs, like Zelda.  I don't really consider those games RPGS because RPGS shouldn't be built around reflexive gaming. 

But aren't 99% of the wrpgs made nowadays of the action-adventure variety? I haven't really seen something similar to the turn-based systems of the older Ultimas/Infinity Engine games in a while; though there might be some obscure easten euro game I'm missing. Was Dragon Age turn-based? The whole setting and character design turned me off so much that I never really gave it much of a look.

[Great Rumbler]

Dragon Age was pretty much the same as the old Infinity Engine games, which weren't turn-based [but Fallout 1 and 2 were].

[MCD]

Wada must be joking. FF13 battle system made old jrpgs unplayable.

[Positive Touch]

because ff13 was so bad it retroactively made all jrpgs suck

[Trent Dole]

because ff13 was so bad it retroactively made all jrpgs suck

Kind of like how MGS2 made MGS less cool....

[chronovore]

Yes because it's much better in Japan

The difference is, Japanese developers get paid the same amount whether or not their game sells or bombs

Poor cavia 

Poor everyone.

Recently there was even an article at the UK-based GamesIndustry.biz site talking about how Nintendo's bonuses this year would be around 11,000£+ despite the company's underperformance. It completely fails to mention that "bonus" in Japan is part of the negotiated paycheck, and is really just an easy way for companies to reduce payroll without laying anyone off if things get really tight. It's not a "bonus" as in "royalty," it's matter of course unless things are truly dire. 

[Positive Touch]

because ff13 was so bad it retroactively made all jrpgs suck

Kind of like how MGS2 made MGS less cool....

and MGS4 made all past and future MGS games shitty

[demi]

Wada must be joking. FF13 battle system made old jrpgs unplayable.

Nailed it.

[Sho Nuff]

Yes because it's much better in Japan

The difference is, Japanese developers get paid the same amount whether or not their game sells or bombs

Poor cavia 

Poor everyone.

Recently there was even an article at the UK-based GamesIndustry.biz site talking about how Nintendo's bonuses this year would be around 11,000£+ despite the company's underperformance. It completely fails to mention that "bonus" in Japan is part of the negotiated paycheck, and is really just an easy way for companies to reduce payroll without laying anyone off if things get really tight. It's not a "bonus" as in "royalty," it's matter of course unless things are truly dire. 

Ding ding ding ding!

They withhold your salary so your monthly earnings go down. Then at the end of the year they're all like CONGRATULATION! YOU DID A GOOD JOB, HERE IS THE MONEYS THAT WE FORGOT TO GIVE YOU

[Cormacaroni]

....or just as likely...you did a good job but sadly the global economy tanked in the last 2 weeks so sorry, all your bonus is going to have to go to management instead because otherwise how would poor little jimmy get his gold-plated swimming pool

[Great Rumbler]

Or or they released a broken MMO that they poured millions into developing that's currently losing players at a steady rate.

[ferrarimanf355]

Leper Nomura and get someone who doesn't have a hard-on for belts and zippers, problem solved.

[Sho Nuff]

Aren't the Nomura games selling tho

[tiesto]

S-E really let their 2nd tier franchises go to shit in a race to whore out FF as much as possible. SaGa and Mana in particular... not to mention all the other random-ass games and experiments they used to be involved in.