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I'd put story above graphics, but bother are lesser considerations in the grand scheme. Although it does depends to some degree on what kind of game it is.

Order of importance:

1. gameplay (sub systems, depth, difficulty, modes, variety, level design ;etc)
2. exploration (depending on genre)
3. fun factor
4. replayability
5. art style
6. sound
7. story (depending on genre)
8. graphics

The last four things are pure aesthetic for me, but art styles and sound are very very important to me. I think they give games charm and a sense of identity. Sound is far more important to any game than graphics to me.

But in regards to general graphical achievement, I'd be satisfied if graphics never evolved past xbox level. It comes to a point where I'm simply satisfied with the graphics up to a certain point. Sure, the graphics will be impressive (as the graphics for the new Unreal engine game are) but it doesn't really do much to sway me into buying a game. In other words, I'm apathetic towards graphical enhancements. They look neat, but unless it improves the game or gives it some sort of identity (Wind Waker for instance, or the upcoming Shadows of the Damned) I really don't care. I forget how good a game looks after playing it for 5 minutes and tend to prefer games with interesting art styles more than games who strive to be as realistic as possible.
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I think games tend to be pretty bad at plot but are generally good at characters, world building, mood and atmosphere, themes, symbols and scenary.

A game like Oblivion has a pretty mediocre story, even when it's at its best. But I've put tons of time into it because I like "living" in the game world: finding all the little secret locations, wandering around town, finding some monsters to hack up, and the like. Like you said, games are good at putting you into the world and making you feel like you're a part of it. That's something that you can't really get from a movie or even a book, certainly not to the degree that games can.

Yep, I think games are fantastic at this. A lot of people get the immersion mixed up for "story" because they're so immersed in the world and in a way, it can be a story. Stealing from some chick in a town in Oblivion and then getting chased by the guards may not be a story in the traditional sense, but it's a part of the fabric of the game that adds to the whole and for this reason, I get attached to a lot of the games I play and why I enjoy rpgs so much, apart from the delicious stat pages and numbers :drool

I don't "get" skipping cutscenes, because it's still a piece of the product I bought, and unless the story is mind numbingly bad and embarassing like some Klonoa game story or some shit, I don't see the point in skipping a part of a game I paid 30-60 bones for.
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That is what makes Madden so awesome.

I get to write my own story. :pimp
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That is what makes Madden so awesome.

I get to write my own story. :pimp

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But in regards to general graphical achievement, I'd be satisfied if graphics never evolved past xbox level. It comes to a point where I'm simply satisfied with the graphics up to a certain point. Sure, the graphics will be impressive (as the graphics for the new Unreal engine game are) but it doesn't really do much to sway me into buying a game. In other words, I'm apathetic towards graphical enhancements. They look neat, but unless it improves the game or gives it some sort of identity (Wind Waker for instance, or the upcoming Shadows of the Damned) I really don't care. I forget how good a game looks after playing it for 5 minutes and tend to prefer games with interesting art styles more than games who strive to be as realistic as possible.

On that note, I remember I didn't care if graphics evolved past the PSX era. Some part of me still holds on to that, other parts don't, for instance fps's and GTA.

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I'm too much a wine nipper on this, but

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you really don't want to rely on cut-scenes to tell  your story in a game. For one thing, it signifies a fatal error in the story teller's approach: that the game section of the game is not telling a story. Everything you do in a game connects the story from one point to the next. All that gameplay creates story and also creates character identity. The other problem is that cut-scenes are a sudden change of perspective often, and with any sort of story telling, you want to reason out why you are doing that and if it is a good idea to do there. The jarring of the player away from control can be a useful feeling to add to a moment, but if you're jarring them away for basic info then the audience will just get angry, and if you repeatedly do it with no design behind it then you reveal yourself as an incompetent in design. One reason that people like HL2/Bioshock story is because both games do not change perspective to give you a scene, so the jarring away from any control is less abrasive. If you are telling a story in first person through most of the game and then suddenly yank them out to some omniscient 3rd person that goes off to some boss's secret plan and thoughts, you are jarring the audience. It's a writing mistake that I don't think game writers are even thinking about.

Generally, you want information and story understood through the experience.
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Smooth Groove

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Is Green Shinobi barred from posting?  He's been lurking a few times in the past week. 

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Wasn't he banned by jewlco?
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speaking of which

why does Willco have time for twitter but he can't pop his bulbous head in here once in a while?
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Because *QU-TISHHH*
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Is Green Shinobi barred from posting?  He's been lurking a few times in the past week. 

Long since banned.

May or may not have stooped to the point of offering money for the ban to be lifted. :teehee

Edit:  oh, looks like the money made it to demi's account. ;)
« Last Edit: March 17, 2011, 10:17:57 AM by Boogie »
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Another one of those "funny" backlash OT threads.



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424630

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Another one of those "funny" backlash OT threads.



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424630


loving the posts from both sides  :lol

Stoney Mason

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Another one of those "funny" backlash OT threads.



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424630


loving the posts from both sides  :lol

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I love how pc gaf OT's take the piss, while the console ones look like elaborate PR pieces.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=401650

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welps been banned :( note to self don't post a picture of a ugly girl in the breast thread
« Last Edit: March 17, 2011, 03:59:30 PM by Chinner »

Stoney Mason

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quit hating stoney.

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Another one of those "funny" backlash OT threads.



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=424630


loving the posts from both sides  :lol

Quote from: typical dumb gaf poster
I love how pc gaf OT's take the piss, while the console ones look like elaborate PR pieces.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=401650

PCfags proving themselves to be the most insufferable of the fanboy camps.
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Powerslave

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PCfags proving themselves to be the most insufferable of the fanboy camps.

this shit changes every year :rofl

last year it was sony fans, the year before no one could stand nintendo fans and a newer worst type of fanboy will arise soon enough. I herd applefags were getting notorious for being fags yet again.

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welps been banned :( note to self don't post a picture of a ugly girl in the breast thread

Link to the post and ban message please lol.
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Smooth Groove

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MickeyKnox is more of a hybrid Sfag/PCfag than a true PCfag like Frag and me.

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« Last Edit: March 17, 2011, 07:36:11 PM by Chinner »

Stoney Mason

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PCfags proving themselves to be the most insufferable of the fanboy camps.

this shit changes every year :rofl

last year it was sony fans, the year before no one could stand nintendo fans and a newer worst type of fanboy will arise soon enough. I herd applefags were getting notorious for being fags yet again.

There is a jack-ass contingent for every platform. The only difference is that some tend to become more or less obnoxious based on how their platform is currently performing at the moment. Sony fanboys are relatively tame now that their console of choice has settled into 3rd place in America with no current hope to gain much share. They've been beaten into resigned acceptance. Of course when the owner of the board is part of the pc-brigade that particular platform fanboy will always have a strong presense.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2011, 06:51:27 PM by Stoney Mason »

Smooth Groove

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Evilore is just a poser. Despite his overfilling GAF coffers, his PC has never been more than lower mid-end.

Stoney Mason

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Evilore is just a poser. Despite his overfilling GAF coffers, his PC has never been more than lower mid-end.

There are all kind of fanboys. Some PC fanboys fall into the crazy tech category. Others fall into the PC as a lifestyle I'm so hip and not mainstream wanna be cool crowd. Evilore falls into the latter. Somebody like the insufferable brain stew is the former.
« Last Edit: March 17, 2011, 07:02:41 PM by Stoney Mason »

Smooth Groove

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Nah, Brain Stew is not part of the former either.  He's always just recommending cheapass, bang for the buck hardware.  I don't think there are many PC hardware enthusiasts at GAF.  Most of them hang out at EVGA, Hardforums, Guru3d, etc.

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thanks for the NSFW image
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He needs to make an apology thread to his balls for cutting them off

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Nah, Brain Stew is not part of the former either.  He's always just recommending cheapass, bang for the buck hardware.  I don't think there are many PC hardware enthusiasts at GAF.  Most of them hang out at EVGA, Hardforums, Guru3d, etc.

the one called dLMN8R is an annoying one also.

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the worst part about PC people on gaf are the huge pictures and gifs of games, because like, your PC should be able to take it.  But I'll be on my netbook and it will have a heart attack trying to load a gif of a dude leaning against a wall.

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the worst part about PS3 people on gaf are the huge pictures and gifs of games, because like, your PC should be able to take it.  But I'll be on my netbook and it will have a heart attack trying to load a gif of a dude leaning against a wall.

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Nobody complains when I do my threads with 50+ 1920x1200 pics at EB.  Guess we're the superrior forum.  :smug

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He needs to make an apology thread to his balls for cutting them off

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Nah, Brain Stew is not part of the former either.  He's always just recommending cheapass, bang for the buck hardware.  I don't think there are many PC hardware enthusiasts at GAF.  Most of them hang out at EVGA, Hardforums, Guru3d, etc.

the one called dLMN8R is an annoying one also.

yeah and how about that D3RANG3D guy?

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Nah, Brain Stew is not part of the former either.  He's always just recommending cheapass, bang for the buck hardware.  I don't think there are many PC hardware enthusiasts at GAF.  Most of them hang out at EVGA, Hardforums, Guru3d, etc.

Brain_Stew IS one of the most grating pc nerdlings that anyone should have to tolerate, however he may fall in to one camp or not.  I'm not sure who he is trying to prove anything to at this point.  Some people don't like the peecee, comprehend it already!
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Smooth Groove

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Well, I find Brain Stew annoying as well, but probably for different reasons as you guys.  He spreads a lot of fud about high performance multi-GPU gaming even though he's never personally tried it himself.  It just reeks of jealousy.  I don't even get why he keeps railing against consoles when his PC probably doesn't perform much better in most new games. 

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He seems cool because him and a lot of PC gaf, as obnoxious as they can be, are really helpful when you need help about random PC software or hardware.

If gaf was high school, the PC guys would be the AV nerds that hang out in the janitor's closet, re-dubbed 'the lair',  and pen and paper rpgs.  Nintendo kids would be dunked in toilets by Xbros, and Sony lame-os would be brown nosing lame asses.  Also, the Nintendo kids would probably have a half-stache.  You know when kids aren't mature enough to grow a mustache so they have this thin strip of dirt on their lip; they don't shave it because proper hygiene is just a suggestion.  And they're alone, pretending they can get girls but simply choose not to because they're asexual.  And they wear polyester Dragon Ball Z club shirts.


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Linkzg, you sure ya ain't projecting some high school experiences there buddy?
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Linkzg, you sure ya ain't projecting some high school experiences there buddy?

similar thought went through my head :lol

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When I'm bored at work I always read the little pony thread for a quick laugh, I love watching freaks interact with each others :lol
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Linkzg, you sure ya ain't projecting some high school experiences there buddy?

well, yeah.  I'm just describing the types of people I knew in high school by what they played (except Sony, which is more based on how the gaf people act now).  I went to high school in the early 2000s. True story: almost everyone I knew that owned an Xbox was on a sports team; a friend that bought the Xbox eventually joined a sports team too.  Unless you meant I was talking about myself because, wow, what the fuck? screw you, man.  I played the PS2 like a normal person!

edit: the av guy was older than me.  we had to team up for one class and he did most of the work and in retrospect I feel bad.  but he was cool for an apple fan.  I remember this was around when that smaller ipod came out (not the nano, that other one) and he wouldn't stop talking about it. 
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He seems cool because him and a lot of PC gaf, as obnoxious as they can be, are really helpful when you need help about random PC software or hardware.

I can attest to this, the guy has been extremely helpful on more than one occasion both in public replies and PMs. Other dudes however, like Evilore and the guy that shills Two Worlds 2 in every thread, are just obnoxious with no redeeming qualities when it comes to their PC fandom.
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obnoxious pc nerds > obnoxious console turds
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PC GAF is a horrible representation of PC gamers.  Most of PC GAF are using rigs that would be considered fairly low end by PC enthusiasts elsewhere but judging from their arrogance, you'd think that they're all using $5000 Alienwares.  At the PC forums that I mentioned, there are plenty of people whose SSDs alone cost more than a complete rig or two but you don't ever see them act condescendingly towards gamers on lower budgets.   I guess there's just something about GAF that turns people into livid fanboys. 

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It's GAF.
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Stoney Mason

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I've gamed on every platform over my life. I've bounced back and forth. Whenever somebody is generally going on about their platform continually rather than the games they actually play, its a pretty good sign 9 out of 10 times their head is up their ass.

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I've gamed on every platform over my life.

Really? :smug
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Stoney Mason

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I've gamed on every platform over my life.

Really? :smug

Well except for the nintendo ones. Those suck.











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PC GAF is a horrible representation of PC gamers.  Most of PC GAF are using rigs that would be considered fairly low end by PC enthusiasts elsewhere but judging from their arrogance, you'd think that they're all using $5000 Alienwares.  At the PC forums that I mentioned, there are plenty of people whose SSDs alone cost more than a complete rig or two but you don't ever see them act condescendingly towards gamers on lower budgets.   I guess there's just something about GAF that turns people into livid fanboys. 

I plan on joining their ranks this summer when I get a mid end gaming pc.

:bow budget pc gaming :bow2
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I've gamed on every platform over my life.

Really? :smug

Well except for the nintendo ones. Those suck.











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Jaguar, 3do, neogeo, neogeo pocket, commodore, amiga, vectrex, etc?
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Stoney Mason

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I've gamed on every platform over my life.

Really? :smug

Well except for the nintendo ones. Those suck.











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Jaguar, 3do, neogeo, neogeo pocket, commodore, amiga, vectrex, etc?

Yes to all.

You have to remember. I'm old.
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The only systems I didn't tend to play/own are the new ones as I don't have the time anymore or the interest really. I'll be passing on stuff like the 3ds and ngp. I don't even own a ps3. My gotta catch em all phase of life is over.

I sold or gave away my entire old game collection over the last few years
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Smooth Groove

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I've gamed on every platform over my life.

Really? :smug

Well except for the nintendo ones. Those suck.











teasing... (or am I?)

Jaguar, 3do, neogeo, neogeo pocket, commodore, amiga, vectrex, etc?

Yes to all.

You have to remember. I'm old.
 :'(

The only systems I didn't tend to play/own are the new ones as I don't have the time anymore or the interest really. I'll be passing on stuff like the 3ds and ngp. I don't even own a ps3. My gotta catch em all phase of life is over.

I sold or gave away my entire old game collection over the last few years


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Stoney can still remember when black people didn't call one another niggaa.

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I love how he spoiled tagged dildo, can't ruin them pics for fellow gaffers that haven't see them :lol
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