The Official Psychoanalysis GAF Thread

[Tasty]

yeah but Nintendo made a platformer where peach rescues a captured Mario

with her super hysteric emotion powers

I need to replay that game, I remember it being Kirby-levels of boring. Such nice pixel art too.

[fistfulofmetal]

the reason media is primary male oriented is because women are generally not interesting as protagonists. sorry for the real talk but it's the truth. the only time you ever see an interesting female protagonist is when they are assigned male personality traits.

[Shadow Mod]

Also himu explain to me unisex films. You mean the typical male protag driven movie where there is a wife or romantic interest?

[benjipwns]

At one point I wanted to possibly help to create games and then I just said "fuck it" given how I was treated while I played them. If the player base is like that, I'm not about to deal with it in the workplace too. People want to pretend the industry is better but how many of the people who create the environments in which we feel marginalized become employed by companies too. No thanks.

Even games that I don't consider sexist are definitely geared towards boys/men given how you're constantly trying to save a girl, princess, whatever.

Stop getting hysterical, there's plenty of empowering female oriented franchises out there:





And all of them are available on portable systems.

[Shadow Mod]

I can just imagine getting hired and then being told "here's your new project: Barbie Horse Adventures 2."

[Broseidon]

Wow that thread is massively distinguished mentally-challenged. Now it's just basically MRA bullshit *yawn*

[StealthFan]

I got fucked over with the Direct2Drive switchover. Goodbye Chaos Theory, FEAR, Far Cry, Dragon Age: Origins, Titan Quest, GTA III, Vice City, San Andreas...

The switchover to gamefly? I was able to get my games just fine.

I wasn't. My gamefly email is seperate from my D2D email. Can't log in and get my games.

[nudemacusers]

Don't forget style savvy!

[Shadow Mod]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=508949

Your standards are hilarious high.
No yours are shit.
You're such a virgin.
You'd fuck anything you're so desperate.

C'est la vie.

[benjipwns]

Note that it's not Boutique Employee. It's Boutique OWNER. "Run your OWN STORE!"

What more do you feminazi's want? You probably won't be satisfied until Marcus Fenix has to produce a tablescape and outfit to match every level.

[Himu]

Your issue is your definition is "centered around women". That is wrong. Centered around women != approachable for women. Many big budget Hollywood films are unisex in their approach to drama, even if they star men, due to how their story is laid out, or how the women are characterized. Let's use an example, would you say that Pixar's Up is not something women couldn't or wouldn't find approachable despite having an all male cast (aside from the prologue of course)?

Film has far more mass appeal than games.

As for your question...

2012 films that don't show women as inferior or might even star women that women can (and do) enjoy:

Off the top of my head

- Prometheus
- The Master
- Goodbye First Love
- Zero Dark Thirty
- Beasts of the Southern Wild
- Moonrise Kingdom
- Miss Bella
- Brave
- Haywire
- The Deep Blue Sea
- Elena
- Marina Abramovic: The Artist Is Present
- Les Miserables
- Magic Mike

Need I mention The Hunger Games?

Let's switch to television: Girls? Happy Ending's? Veep? Mad Men? Downton Abbey? I can go on and on about television series' that either feature a female prominent cast or don't make gender an inequality (princess saving, weak women;etc).

You must have a very narrow exposure to cinema.

Then Lager says that film (which includes television) treats women audiences with as much respect as video games? LOL. Complete falsehood. Maybe if you only watch super hero films and sports television. The comparison is video games: where more often than not, women are needing rescuing, fucking, or it's all about guns, guns, blood, and guns. Film is far more versatile in terms of embracing an actual ideas than games as a medium.

Since we're talking about games versus film, tell the video game equivalent Adele, Cowbell, Lager?

[Cerveza mas fina]

I never said film treats females like videogames, where did I say that?

Your list of examples is very short.

Also himu explain to me unisex films. You mean the typical male protag driven movie where there is a wife or romantic interest?

This is exactly my point, i discovered that most cinema is male centric when i came to the conclusion I only have favourite actors. Thats cause theres almost no good roles for women.

[Himu]

Also himu explain to me unisex films. You mean the typical male protag driven movie where there is a wife or romantic interest?

A movie like Big.  It doesn't have to have a female romance interest. It doesn't even have to have A romance interest. A unisex film is a film that is appealing to both genders for seemingly the same reasons.

[nudemacusers]

The chicks in Prometheus are either blathering religious whiney emotion alien incubators or cold ice queens

[Shadow Mod]

Your issue is your definition is "centered around women". That is wrong. Centered around women != approachable for women. Many big budget Hollywood films are unisex in their approach to drama, even if they star men, due to how their story is laid out, or how the women are characterized. Let's use an example, would you say that Pixar's Up is not something women couldn't or wouldn't find approachable despite having an all male cast (aside from the prologue of course)?

Film has far more mass appeal than games.

As for your question...

2012 films that don't show women as inferior or might even star women that women can (and do) enjoy:

Off the top of my head

- Prometheus
- The Master
- Goodbye First Love
- Zero Dark Thirty
- Beasts of the Southern Wild
- Moonrise Kingdom
- Miss Bella
- Brave
- Haywire
- The Deep Blue Sea
- Elena
- Marina Abramovic: The Artist Is Present
- Les Miserables
- Magic Mike

Need I mention The Hunger Games?

Let's switch to television: Girls? Happy Ending's? Veep? Mad Men? Downton Abbey? I can go on and on about television series' that either feature a female prominent cast or don't make gender an inequality (princess saving, weak women;etc).

You must have a very narrow exposure to cinema.

Then Lager says that film (which includes television) treats women audiences with as much respect as video games? LOL. Complete falsehood. Maybe if you only watch super hero films and sports television. The comparison is video games: where more often than not, women are needing rescuing, fucking, or it's all about guns, guns, blood, and guns. Film is far more versatile in terms of embracing an actual ideas than games as a medium.

Since we're talking about games versus film, tell the video game equivalent Adele, Cowbell, Lager?

I said good films and you give me this list and my exposure to cinema is narrow? Jesus.

[Shadow Mod]

The chicks in Prometheus are either blathering religious whiney emotion alien incubators or cold ice queens

Even Moonrise Kingdom is basically Paltrow's character from Royal Tenenbaums and again, a romantic interest.

[Himu]

I don't see why point an emphasis on good when nothing I listed was bad.

[Great Rumbler]

What about Ripley from Alien?

[benjipwns]

- Beasts of the Southern Wild

I initially read this differently.

[Himu]

The chicks in Prometheus are either blathering religious whiney emotion alien incubators or cold ice queens

Even Moonrise Kingdom is basically Paltrow's character from Royal Tenenbaums and again, a romantic interest.

Romantic interests are not inherently bad nor do they preclude the idea that they can't have female appeal.

[Shadow Mod]

I don't see why point an emphasis on good when nothing I listed was bad.

I simply asked for a list of good films centered around women. As in women being the central focus or the protagonists not shitty secondary characters or tropes. You decide to list movies you think women can enjoy, of course women can enjoy male driven films, that's what we've been doing for a long time. There is nothing unisex about it. Most films you come to accept that the protagonist will typically be a male with a secondary supporting female. Even if she's considered a "lead" she rarely drives the plot outside of being some sort of romantic interest.

The chicks in Prometheus are either blathering religious whiney emotion alien incubators or cold ice queens

Even Moonrise Kingdom is basically Paltrow's character from Royal Tenenbaums and again, a romantic interest.

Romantic interests are not inherently bad nor do they preclude the idea that they can't have female appeal.

No but they generally make the bulk of how women are portrayed. Don't be willfully ignorant here. That's what Lager was getting at and you jumped in like he was being ignorant when he wasn't.

[Himu]

Tangled has a woman as a romantic interest and it stars a very good story about a young girl breaking out to find her true self, without being rescued by a dude for that matter.

Yet by your definition, it wouldn't have female appeal because Rapunzel is a romantic interest. That is...pretty narrow. No?

[nudemacusers]

What about Ripley from Alien?

It's almost like her dialog was written for a man.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Jesus himuro.

Come on, women being relegated to love interests only is exactly part of the problem. Its not bad per se, just way too common.

[Shadow Mod]

Tangled has a woman as a romantic interest and it stars a very good story about a young girl breaking out to find her true self, without being rescued by a dude for that matter.

Yet by your definition, it wouldn't have female appeal because Rapunzel is a romantic interest. That is...pretty narrow. No?

I haven't really made claims about appeal when it comes to movies. I asked you to give me a list of good films centered around women that weren't the typical middle class wife malaise.

[Himu]

I didn't say it wasn't bad, but I did list films like Brave and Hunger Games which star women in prominent roles only to be brushed aside with the excuse that they're not good.

[Huff]

this conversation is just as bad if you do it here or on gaf

[Shadow Mod]

I didn't say it wasn't bad, but I did list films like Brave and Hunger Games which star women in prominent roles only to be brushed aside with the excuse that they're not good.

Two movies neither of which are Award Caliber. You really proved us wrong there.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Himuro, go to imdb and look at the top 20 box officr hits.

Then tally how many are male lead/centric vs female lead/centric.

[benjipwns]

Gaming doesn't have this problem with award winning titles like PS3 exclusive The Last of Us and Wii U exclusive Bayonetta 2.

Well, maybe I should rephrase that to say 2/3rds of gaming doesn't have this problem...

[Himu]

I didn't say it wasn't bad, but I did list films like Brave and Hunger Games which star women in prominent roles only to be brushed aside with the excuse that they're not good.

Two movies neither of which are Award Caliber. You really proved us wrong there.

Yes, they have to be award caliber. Let's come up with vapid, arbitrary ruleset. What does award caliber have to do with anything when they were some of the most widely viewed films in 2012? I'm waiting. Portal is an "award winning" video game. I guess it's the norm for video games despite starring a woman.

Please Devo.

Please.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Yeah i dont get why the movie has to be award winning material devo.

Top 10 box office

7 male movies
1 female movie (and im really being generous since this is texas chainsaw)
2 neutral

[Cerveza mas fina]

I think we can do that tally every week and the make up will be very close to this.

[Himu]

1. Zero Dark Thirty - neutral
2. A Haunted House - neutral
3. Gangster Squad - men
4. Django Unchained - men
5. Les Miserables - women and gay men
6. The Hobbit - neutral
7. Lincoln - neutral
8. Parental Guidance - neutral
9. Texas Chainsaw 3d - neutral
10. Silver Linings Playbook - neutral

Now, compare to video games.

You were saying? *blows finger nails*

[Great Rumbler]

1. Zero Dark Thirty - neutral
2. A Haunted House - neutral
3. Gangster Squad - men
4. Django Unchained - men
5. Les Miserables - women and gay men
6. The Hobbit - neutral
7. Lincoln - neutral
8. Parental Guidance - neutral
9. Texas Chainsaw 3d - neutral
10. Silver Linings Playbook - neutral

Now, compare to video games.

You were saying? *blows finger nails*

So...lots of "neutral" movies shows that there are a lot of movies being made targeted to/starring in lead roles women? Okay.

[Himu]

Well, no. I'm just saying that there are plenty of options for women in regards to film. There aren't as much when it comes to gaming. Anyone arguing that games and movies have the same lopsided male slant are fooling themselves. That is the only thing I have been arguing.

Lager initially said that MOST films are targeted at men.

I just proved that he's completely wrong. My argument isn't "there are more viewing options for women", my argument is that there are far more viewing options that are targeted at BOTH men and women than there are films targeted men OR women.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Here i fixed the list for you.

Its awesome you put LINCOLN down as a neutral film when its a biopic on a man.

1. Zero Dark Thirty - male leads
2. A Haunted House - male lead
3. Gangster Squad - men
4. Django Unchained - men
5. Les Miserables - male lead
6. The Hobbit - male leads
7. Lincoln - male lead
8. Parental Guidance - neutral
9. Texas Chainsaw 3d - neutral
10. Silver Linings Playbook - neutral

Now, compare to video games.

You were saying? *blows finger nails*

[Shadow Mod]

Yeah i dont get why the movie has to be award winning material devo.

Top 10 box office

7 male movies
1 female movie (and im really being generous since this is texas chainsaw)
2 neutral

They don't but I want something put up other than the romcom girlpals movies that would inevitably be listed. That's literally all we got. And weepy middle class wife problems.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

this conversation is just as bad if you do it here or on gaf

Yep. 

[Shadow Mod]

You don't have to do movies this year, what's the last movie that was talked about that was women centric? The Help? Ugh.

[Himu]

Here i fixed the list for you.

1. Zero Dark Thirty - male leads
2. A Haunted House - male lead
3. Gangster Squad - men
4. Django Unchained - men
5. Les Miserables - male lead
6. The Hobbit - male leads
7. Lincoln - male lead
8. Parental Guidance - neutral
9. Texas Chainsaw 3d - neutral
10. Silver Linings Playbook - neutral

Now, compare to video games.

You were saying? *blows finger nails*

A Haunted House does not have a male lead. I think you're operating this from your villa in Yurop, Kosma. It is a comedy that stars men and women. Zero Dark Thirty? Men and women. Les Miserable is a fucking musical. Lincoln is about the 16th president of the USA, yes, only men have interest in that subject! The Hobbit? Do I have to point out to you the number of female LOTR fangirls?

[nudemacusers]

Video game look way better in this comparison. First we have leading ladies like samus and Lara croft and fighting games like soul calibur and mortal kombat have scores of women characters in all colors, large ass shapes and breast sizes.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Almost all films there have male leads, and while females can still find them appealing this isnt exactly equality.

The fact that Les Miserable is a musical has NOTHING to do with the fact the story is largly about, gasp, men. Just because its a musical doesnt make it femaly.

[Shadow Mod]

Here i fixed the list for you.

1. Zero Dark Thirty - male leads
2. A Haunted House - male lead
3. Gangster Squad - men
4. Django Unchained - men
5. Les Miserables - male lead
6. The Hobbit - male leads
7. Lincoln - male lead
8. Parental Guidance - neutral
9. Texas Chainsaw 3d - neutral
10. Silver Linings Playbook - neutral

Now, compare to video games.

You were saying? *blows finger nails*

A Haunted House does not have a male lead. I think you're operating this from your villa in Yurop, Kosma. It is a comedy that stars men and women. Zero Dark Thirty? Men and women. Les Miserable is a fucking musical. Lincoln is about the 16th president of the USA, yes, only men have interest in that subject! The Hobbit? Do I have to point out to you the number of female LOTR fangirls?

So we can basically count games that have fangirls too then. Your argument makes no fucking sense what so ever.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Im suprised Himuro doesnt see the inherent issue of 7/10 movies having male leads.

Thats a mans world, doesnt matter if women like these movies they are male oriented.

Hobbit is a movie about 15 dudes going on adventure. Thats as fucking male oriented as it gets.

[benjipwns]

Wii U launch lineup:

Assassins Creed III - Male
Batman: Arkham City - Neutral (Catwoman)
Ben 10: Omniverse - Male (DON'T LET YOU PLAY AS GWEN?!?)
Call of Duty: Black Ops II - Male
Darksiders II - Male
Epic Mickey 2 - Neutral
FIFA 13 - Neutral
Just Dance 4 - Neutral
Mass Effect 3 - Neutral
NBA 2K13 - Neutral (Doris Burke)
New Super Mario Bros U - Neutral
Nintendo Land - Neutral
Rabbids Land - Neutral
Scribblenauts Unlimited - Neutral
Sing Party - Neutral
Skylanders - Neutral
Your Shape Fitness Evolved 2013 - Female (partnership with Women's Health and the first game STARRED JENNY MCCARTHY)
ZombiU - Neutral (can play as a lady)

[Himu]

You don't have to do movies this year, what's the last movie that was talked about that was women centric? The Help? Ugh.

Last one I saw was Beasts of the Southern Wild from 2012.

[Shadow Mod]

Im suprised Himuro doesnt see the inherent issue of 7/10 movies having male leads.

Thats a mans world, doesnt matter if women like these movies they are male oriented.

Most of my favorite movies are completely male driven or it's a better done romantic flick. This is especially true if you're into 50s films and Noir. Most of my favorite movies that have female protags they're usually little girls bucking some tide or a biopic.

[Himu]

Almost all films there have male leads, and while females can still find them appealing this isnt exactly equality.

The fact that Les Miserable is a musical has NOTHING to do with the fact the story is largly about, gasp, men. Just because its a musical doesnt make it femaly.

I didn't say it WAS equal.

Also, Les Miserables has a very prominent female lead. story centers around one little girl. What the fuck, have you read Les Miserables?

[Cerveza mas fina]

Yeah mine too, simply because there are so little big movies made with women leads.

I saw Iron Lady and that was amazing, but before that I dont remember anything. The help? Lost in Translation?

Himuro: if you had a daughter growing up how would you feel that in every movie she saw the men where more important and women played second fiddle?

[nudemacusers]

last movie I recall giving a shit about that was women driven was Monster, but I suck at movies

Check out Barbwire when you get a chance.

[Shadow Mod]

Yeah mine too, simply because there are so little big movies made with women leads.

I saw Iron Lady and that was amazing, but before that I dont remember anything. The help? Lost in Translation?

I can usually think of mediocre films full of women or Sex in the City type shit before I can even remember movies I genuinely enjoyed. Off the top of my head ones worth seeing are: Whale Rider, Life Above All, Hanna, La Femme Nikita, Osama, Mean Girls, Temple Grandin, Iron Jawed Angels and Run Lola Run.

[Himu]

Yeah mine too, simply because there are so little big movies made with women leads.

I saw Iron Lady and that was amazing, but before that I dont remember anything. The help? Lost in Translation?

Himuro: if you had a daughter growing up how would you feel that in every movie she saw the men where more important and women played second fiddle?

But a lot of the movies we're talking about, the women AREN'T playing second fiddle. You talk about having a daughter growing up when I mentioned Brave and even the Hunger Games.

My position has not been that film is equal in its gender portrayal. I'm only comparing it to video games, since the initial topic WAS video games, and you brought up movies. I think video games are considerably worse about this than movies. I have listed many prominent films and tv shows in the past year that not only women could get into (for example, a woman directed Zero Dark Thirty), but also star women in prominent leads yet you refuse to acknowledge it.

If I had a little girl, I think I'd mostly be fine because there are plenty of venues for girls to get into that star girls as the leads. It's a hell of a lot better than when I was a kid though still not ideal. But to act like they don't exist is a bigger problem than acting like this isn't a problem.

[Himu]

I haven't seen Hanna yet.

[Himu]

Lager and Devo:

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2012/01/the-rise-of-the-female-led-action-film/251678/

Read this

Haywire, one of the films on my list. is a prominent feature in this article.

Bububububub no awards
bububububub lack of female leads

> asks for female led films
> posts female lead films

"No, no. Those don't count."

[Shadow Mod]

its a watchable enough movie but the plot is by the numbers child turned super weapon stuff and the way its edited makes me feel like I just butt hugged a shot and 30mg adderall

I like the music, Chem bros.

Himu you still don't get it so I'm dropping it.


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46647882&postcount=102

lul

[TakingBackSunday]

jesus this page

[Great Rumbler]

Haywire

Best movie ever starring a woman.

[Van Cruncheon]

hanna

[Himu]

Aliens