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« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2011, 12:24:33 AM »
I was pretty encouraged for the protesters to exact some change in Egypt. Then Obama laid his curse of support on them.


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« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2011, 04:18:57 AM »
It might be a factor yet.  Threatening to cut aid and cooperation with Egypt would probably be a message aimed at their military, which has pretty strong ties with the US military establishment, and which will be a pretty key player in forcing Mubarak out, keeping him in power, or precipitating/avoiding more violence.

Israel doesn't worry about aid cuts because they know domestic US politics protect them right now; any threat from the president would be empty.  This seems to be kind of a new thing, since Bush senior apparently played hardball with Israel and Netanyahu's inability to get along with Clinton cost him his office (or at least this seems to be a very widely held belief in both countries).

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« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2011, 04:24:59 PM »
I guess some Swedish journalist was abducted and stabbed, supposedly by pro-government thugs.

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« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2011, 08:55:53 PM »
Glenn Beck is generally on some pretty kooky shit but his opinions on Egypt :-\

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« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2011, 09:01:26 PM »
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« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2011, 09:03:28 PM »
Despite being obsessed with Muslins for the past decade, most conservatives have no fucking clue about anything regarding the Middle East except that it has Osama and oil.  Glenn Beck's batshittery wouldn't even raise an eyebrow with his audience.
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« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2011, 09:06:39 PM »
He says something racist or nuts every single day. It's to be expected.

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« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2011, 09:16:42 PM »
Pretty much. But I do find it hilarious he's concerned about the chaos democracy would bring to Egypt while on the same hand worrying about them creating an orderly, well thought out caliphate across the region/Asia/Europe. You can't have it both ways dude
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« Reply #70 on: February 10, 2011, 03:47:18 PM »
He's on.
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« Reply #71 on: February 10, 2011, 03:52:13 PM »
It's gonna be like the end of Code Geass S1, he'll be just about to go forward with an offer of peace but then accidentally order all the rioters killed instead.
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« Reply #72 on: February 10, 2011, 03:52:36 PM »
This is getting ridiculous.
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« Reply #73 on: February 10, 2011, 03:58:37 PM »
"I will be ignoring diktats from abroad."

Well, ok.

Now he's revising and revoking a few constitutional articles.
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« Reply #74 on: February 10, 2011, 03:59:44 PM »
I'm interested in seeing what the crowds will do. 

The crowd in Al Tahrir square are chanting something but I can't make it up.
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« Reply #75 on: February 10, 2011, 04:03:40 PM »
They already are, is what I'm saying lol.

"Crowds are rejecting Mubarak's speech, and are demanding for his instant removal."

Well there you go.
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« Reply #76 on: February 10, 2011, 04:07:32 PM »
And now their taking off their shoes and waving them. "Leave or else."

What I'm getting at is instead of this peaceful protesting that they've been doing for over two weeks now, will they get charged up and try to sack the presidential palace?

That's a very likely scenario, which have been hinted at a few times.
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« Reply #77 on: February 11, 2011, 11:21:29 AM »
They did it! It's finally over :elephant
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« Reply #78 on: February 11, 2011, 11:54:24 AM »
omgstfuduh. Take your calm rationale somewhere else. Today, we celebrate.
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« Reply #79 on: February 11, 2011, 11:56:37 AM »
Could you post a link to a news article or something? Because I have no idea what you're talking about.
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« Reply #81 on: February 11, 2011, 01:55:08 PM »
Caliphate time
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« Reply #82 on: February 11, 2011, 01:56:00 PM »
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Caliphate? lmao

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« Reply #83 on: February 11, 2011, 02:17:14 PM »
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« Reply #84 on: February 11, 2011, 03:03:34 PM »
So awesome.  :D

They are doing the right thing by staying out I think. Congrats Egypt! Don't fuck up!

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« Reply #85 on: February 11, 2011, 03:11:59 PM »
Hot damn.  There's still a big messy process ahead and lots of ugly possibilities, but this is surely better than if Mubarak was still trying to cling to power.

Weird to see the reaction on the right to all this.  It's split between those like Beck, who push the Muslim Brotherhood->Caliphate->dhimmitude meme, and politicians like Palin who are vague about the whole thing but certain that Obama somehow didn't handle it right.  I think the politicians are hedging because they know Americans will naturally side with protesters over a foreign dictator, so they can't be seen as outright hostile to the demonstrators.

It's all a bit funny if you remember the Arab Spring of 2005, when the Cedar Revolution and other potential reforms and liberalizations in the ME (including concessions by Mubarak in Egypt!) were hailed by conservative pundits as unambiguously good things, all spurred by our liberating war in Iraq.

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« Reply #86 on: February 11, 2011, 03:20:32 PM »
This might be the first time I've heard of people cheering over the military seizing power.

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« Reply #87 on: February 11, 2011, 03:22:29 PM »
Weird to see the reaction on the right to all this.  It's split between those like Beck, who push the Muslim Brotherhood->Caliphate->dhimmitude meme, and politicians like Palin who are vague about the whole thing but certain that Obama somehow didn't handle it right.  I think the politicians are hedging because they know Americans will naturally side with protesters over a foreign dictator, so they can't be seen as outright hostile to the demonstrators.

It's all a bit funny if you remember the Arab Spring of 2005, when the Cedar Revolution and other potential reforms and liberalizations in the ME (including concessions by Mubarak in Egypt!) were hailed by conservative pundits as unambiguously good things, all spurred by our liberating war in Iraq.


Most members of the GOP have political skills that have atrophied to the point that they can only speak in empty platitudes, a real issue that requires nuance and god forbid, empathy, escapes their skill set.  Thus the schizophrenic reaction we're getting now.

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« Reply #88 on: February 11, 2011, 03:29:12 PM »
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« Reply #90 on: February 11, 2011, 03:39:14 PM »
Weird to see the reaction on the right to all this.  It's split between those like Beck, who push the Muslim Brotherhood->Caliphate->dhimmitude meme, and politicians like Palin who are vague about the whole thing but certain that Obama somehow didn't handle it right.  I think the politicians are hedging because they know Americans will naturally side with protesters over a foreign dictator, so they can't be seen as outright hostile to the demonstrators.

It's all a bit funny if you remember the Arab Spring of 2005, when the Cedar Revolution and other potential reforms and liberalizations in the ME (including concessions by Mubarak in Egypt!) were hailed by conservative pundits as unambiguously good things, all spurred by our liberating war in Iraq.
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Most members of the GOP have political skills that have atrophied to the point that they can only speak in empty platitudes, a real issue that requires nuance and god forbid, empathy, escapes their skill set.  Thus the schizophrenic reaction we're getting now.
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« Reply #91 on: February 11, 2011, 03:39:41 PM »
That is amazing. Totally stealing it.
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« Reply #92 on: February 11, 2011, 05:06:57 PM »
Weird article insisting that, yes, the US (to steal someone else's line) still has the biggest dick. But the bolded in the intro is the best/worst comment I've read in ages. Wish I could find the orginal article.

Do Egypt's protests mean American decline?
By Michael Gerson
Thursday, February 10, 2011; 8:00 PM

For those who are prone to be prone to such things, recent events in Egypt are further evidence of declining American global influence. President Hosni Mubarak, having taken a lot of American aid, now seems immune to both American advice and pressure. The protesters, one article complained, didn't even bother to burn our flag. We are seeing, according to some observers, a "post-American Middle East."

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« Reply #93 on: February 11, 2011, 05:18:09 PM »
Mubarak is such a pussy :lol, let's see how it goes from here, we had a civil war an an American occupation when we took down our last dictator lets hope Egypt haves a smoother process :lol
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« Reply #94 on: February 11, 2011, 05:41:15 PM »
Mubarak is such a pussy :lol, let's see how it goes from here, we had a civil war an an American occupation when we took down our last dictator lets hope Egypt haves a smoother process :lol

I think the absence of an occupying army should lead to smoother times.  But then again, I'm noted for my optimism.
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« Reply #95 on: February 11, 2011, 05:50:13 PM »
Saw an article where the military is involved in like 30% of Egypts economy (from washing machines to vacation resorts) and all the Generals are the countries real business tycoons.

Instability is bad for business, they want to get back to selling toasters.
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« Reply #96 on: February 11, 2011, 06:49:03 PM »
The military's involvement in everyday Egyptian life is so foreign an idea to us that I can understand people being confused by it; the US basically keeps Egypt in business by funding their military. But it's quite hilarious that the people who know better continue to parrot the idea that if moslems take over, naturally the first thing they'll do is attack or threaten Israel. Ha, and risk all that money?

Who knew free market investment could solve the middle east/Israeli conflict :rock
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« Reply #98 on: February 15, 2011, 04:47:21 PM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/15/lara-logan-suffered-bruta_n_823677.html


huffpost is so classy with their "breaking news" logo over the story...

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« Reply #99 on: February 15, 2011, 06:30:49 PM »
ugh that's fucking sick
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« Reply #100 on: February 15, 2011, 11:06:50 PM »
stay classy, Egypt  :yuck
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« Reply #101 on: February 16, 2011, 01:08:26 AM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/15/lara-logan-suffered-bruta_n_823677.html


huffpost is so classy with their "breaking news" logo over the story...

I would hit that like an Egyptian.


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« Reply #102 on: February 16, 2011, 01:11:15 AM »
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« Reply #103 on: February 16, 2011, 01:43:55 AM »
stay classy, Egypt  :yuck

Yeah, because sexual assault only happens in Egypt :maf
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« Reply #104 on: February 16, 2011, 02:04:24 AM »
stay classy, Egypt  :yuck

Yeah, because sexual assault only happens in Egypt :maf

Hey, I'll admit that the bar wasn't that high for Egypt, but gang rape and assault of someone who is helping your ostensibly high-minded cause is something of a new low, yes.
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« Reply #105 on: February 16, 2011, 02:18:34 AM »
stay classy, Egypt  :yuck

Yeah, because sexual assault only happens in Egypt :maf

I'll admit, I originally thought the teabaggers were responsible.

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« Reply #106 on: February 16, 2011, 02:25:57 AM »
stay classy, Egypt  :yuck

Yeah, because sexual assault only happens in Egypt :maf

Hey, I'll admit that the bar wasn't that high for Egypt, but gang rape and assault of someone who is helping your ostensibly high-minded cause is something of a new low, yes.

The 200-man mob didn't gang rape her, she was separated then surrounded and assaulted, the number of assailants was never revealed, and it only takes one or two to sexually assault someone. Now if you think that in an overenthusiastic million-man crowd, there isn't a couple of sick bastards, then I don't think you know what planet you're living in.

It was a crazy event, some were stomped to death for god's sake.

"Now I admit the bar wasn't high for Egypt"

Seriously man, seriously? wow.
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« Reply #107 on: February 16, 2011, 02:31:40 AM »
It says something about the mob that this was allowed to happen, but it's not terribly surprising.

Big gatherings of youngish men on an emotional high can be petri dishes for violent behavior, and it's disturbingly common for that violence to be of a sexual nature.

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« Reply #108 on: February 16, 2011, 02:40:56 AM »
egyptians did that? not surprised

Yeah man, Egyptians are inherently rapists.
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« Reply #109 on: February 16, 2011, 02:44:59 AM »
Ah, I take it all back. Gang-rape and assault is not the real crime here, it is the slightest hint of racism on the internet that deserves the full brunt of our ire. I am putting on my hairshirt and flogging myself with birch right now.
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« Reply #110 on: February 16, 2011, 02:50:13 AM »
It says something about the mob that this was allowed to happen

All I'm getting from that report is that she was separated because of mob, then surrounded and assaulted. I think the way the article was worded, especially pushing the number 200 closer to where they talk about the assault, was very sensationalistic. And by reading Cormac's posts, I think it worked.

Ah, I take it all back. Gang-rape and assault is not the real crime here, it is the slightest hint of racism on the internet that deserves the full brunt of our ire. I am putting on my hairshirt and flogging myself with birch right now.

It was a disgusting crime, nobody is denying that.

I don't give a fuck about random internet racism, I just expected more from you.
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« Reply #111 on: February 16, 2011, 02:54:20 AM »
If 200 people had sexually and otherwise physically assaulted her, she'd be dead. The article doesn't suggest that at all. That doesn't make me the slightest bit more sympathetic to those who perpetrated the crime or who allowed it to happen though.
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« Reply #112 on: February 16, 2011, 02:55:22 AM »
If 200 people had sexually and otherwise physically assaulted her, she'd be dead. The article doesn't suggest that at all. That doesn't make me the slightest bit more sympathetic to those who perpetrated the crime or who allowed it to happen though.

Nobody is sympathizing in the slightest with the perpetrators.
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« Reply #113 on: February 16, 2011, 03:00:48 AM »
Nobody is defending or minimizing the rape, nobody's saying the entire mob is at fault, much less the entire country.

It's understandable how someone would take offense to an offhand comment which could be read as making judgment on all Egyptians, even if that wasn't the intent.

It's understandable how someone would see a reaction to that comment with nothing said about the rape itself to be a disservice to the actual crime and a misplacement of priorities.


Let's all just get along, mang.  Not worth getting into a big internet argument when there's no actual disagreement, just an "I don't like the impression given by your first, short comment about this" deal.

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« Reply #114 on: February 16, 2011, 03:01:36 AM »
Besides, I feel like we're totally letting Arvie off the hook for his hee-larious rape "joke".

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« Reply #115 on: February 16, 2011, 03:06:13 AM »
Oh, I'm getting to Arvie.

I would hit that like an Egyptian.

Lots of people hit all over the world, are you suggesting that only Egyptians "hit"? :maf
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« Reply #116 on: February 16, 2011, 03:09:08 AM »
Sure, I'm not making any kind of serious judgement about all Egyptians. Although I think it's reasonable to say that the country as a whole has a lot of work to do in terms of rehabilitating its international reputation, I have no personal axe to grind.
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« Reply #117 on: February 16, 2011, 03:10:19 AM »
Agreed.
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« Reply #118 on: February 16, 2011, 03:13:48 AM »
See how I brought peace to this thread, as someone will one day bring peace to heathen Egypt.

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« Reply #119 on: February 16, 2011, 03:23:12 AM »
I have over 10 friends who marched with the crowds along with their families. So I admit, it's a pretty touchy subject for me :(

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