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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #300 on: May 31, 2017, 07:33:24 PM »
Also- did you even read that theory, PD? Any hot takes on that hot take?

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I mean other than the fact that if it plays out it will have to do so on the show as we're never getting anymore books.
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« Reply #301 on: May 31, 2017, 08:07:17 PM »
I read 16 Malazan books this year.  Feels good man. 

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« Reply #302 on: May 31, 2017, 09:33:16 PM »
Also- did you even read that theory, PD? Any hot takes on that hot take?

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I mean other than the fact that if it plays out it will have to do so on the show as we're never getting anymore books.
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My hot take.

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I've heard theories of Jaime being Azhor Ahai before, the one I can best recall contrasted him with Bran as the Great Other. This one gives a lot of insight I never considered before.

I hope both the show and books (lol) stray from Jon/Dany being the big hero. I think it's pretty weird that a lot fans of the series still think Jon and Dany will get married and rule as king/queen when the series has never done something as cookie cutter as that.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #303 on: May 31, 2017, 09:46:09 PM »
Also- did you even read that theory, PD? Any hot takes on that hot take?

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I mean other than the fact that if it plays out it will have to do so on the show as we're never getting anymore books.
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My hot take.

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I've heard theories of Jaime being Azhor Ahai before, the one I can best recall contrasted him with Bran as the Great Other. This one gives a lot of insight I never considered before.

I hope both the show and books (lol) stray from Jon/Dany being the big hero. I think it's pretty weird that a lot fans of the series still think Jon and Dany will get married and rule as king/queen when the series has never done something as cookie cutter as that.
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if that doesn't end up being the way the show goes I'll be astonished

and yes it's boring as shit

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #304 on: May 31, 2017, 10:48:24 PM »
Also- did you even read that theory, PD? Any hot takes on that hot take?

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I mean other than the fact that if it plays out it will have to do so on the show as we're never getting anymore books.
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I've also seen that general theory before, and posted in this thread a year or two ago. It also mirrors the Ragnarök theories about ASOIAF.

The one thing that gives me a bit of pause is Jon. I remember theories about him being the one to negotiate peace with the Others, being generally important, etc. It wouldn't be hard to argue he is Azor Ahai. Especially considering the book version of his death, which includes the tears (salt) of Bowen Marsh. Whether he's Azor Ahai or not, it seems like he'll be a major character in the end game.

One more thing. Bran being involved with the Great Other makes a lot of sense, and has always been one of my favorite theories. And you know who ties into it? Euron. If you read his comments on his journey as well as his dreams, they sure sound a LOT like Bran's. I really think Euron was once a pupil of the One Eyed Crow/Bloodraven, who veered off.
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« Reply #305 on: May 31, 2017, 11:11:58 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if he had that Aeron chapter in the backburner for 10+ years, just like the Mercy chapter.

I think he may have started over after he realized he wrote himself in a corner somewhere. Winds 2021 baby!

What's amazing is that someone wrote a completion book as long as a normal book in the series in less time than GURM has spent on Winds.

http://archiveofourown.org/works/336407?view_adult=true&view_full_work=true
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« Reply #306 on: June 01, 2017, 05:59:49 AM »
Disappointed I didn't see PD post this already

 

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« Reply #307 on: June 01, 2017, 11:21:42 AM »
I wouldn't be surprised if he had that Aeron chapter in the backburner for 10+ years, just like the Mercy chapter.

I think he may have started over after he realized he wrote himself in a corner somewhere. Winds 2021 baby!

Ah yea, you're right. I remember Martin tried reading that chapter at various cons for years, giving fans the choice of hearing it or something else. Fans always chose "something else" because no one likes Aeron except me. He even used to say "are you sure? There's some crazy shit happening in this chapter" and no one wanted it.
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turns out to be the best Winds sample chapter.
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« Reply #308 on: June 01, 2017, 12:38:57 PM »
Just more proof that this motherfucker hasn't written shit
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« Reply #309 on: June 01, 2017, 12:58:09 PM »
Yea, I'm not sure anything read thus far isn't apart of the 200-250 pages that were cut from Dance, which initially included both the Meereen and northern battles.

Those two Barristan sample chapters :lawd
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #310 on: June 01, 2017, 11:21:02 PM »
He has just over a year to release the book before it becomes irrelevant. It's been over 6 years since the last one came out.
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« Reply #311 on: June 01, 2017, 11:23:35 PM »
I'll have gotten a masters and a Phd before it comes out.  No joke. 

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« Reply #313 on: June 17, 2017, 09:37:55 AM »

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #314 on: June 17, 2017, 10:29:55 AM »
Can this thread just not be bumped unless it's for a release date?

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #315 on: June 17, 2017, 07:00:56 PM »
there is no book

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« Reply #316 on: June 22, 2017, 11:31:01 PM »
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #317 on: July 13, 2017, 03:26:04 PM »
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #318 on: July 13, 2017, 03:30:20 PM »
George is producing a black Sci fi show. We ain't never getting these books finished.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #320 on: July 13, 2017, 03:44:49 PM »
This cryptic post will probably piss PD off more

http://grrm.livejournal.com/543080.html

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #321 on: July 13, 2017, 03:50:57 PM »
Haven't watched GoT in two seasons. Are they past Feast yet or in DWD material? No spoilers. Is it good again? Does it have the depth of the books yet?
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« Reply #322 on: July 13, 2017, 03:56:38 PM »
Season 6 is better than 5 and is good TV for the most part. Pretty much new territory.

And no to the last question.  :doge

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« Reply #323 on: July 13, 2017, 04:00:39 PM »
Season 5 does all of DWD and AFFC?! :o

So it's after DWD now? Holy shit.
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« Reply #324 on: July 13, 2017, 04:09:16 PM »
Does it have the depth of the books yet?

why would you even expect this from a show with 10-episode seasons

why would you even expect this in a show at all?

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« Reply #325 on: July 13, 2017, 04:26:21 PM »
Season 5 does all of DWD and AFFC?! :o

So it's after DWD now? Holy shit.

yeah this new season is gonna be entirely new and iirc most of last season was new too?

pd doesn't even care anymore, grrm broke him

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« Reply #326 on: July 13, 2017, 04:35:01 PM »
Does it have the depth of the books yet?

why would you even expect this from a show with 10-episode seasons

why would you even expect this in a show at all?

I don't expect it to have the same amount of depth but I do want them to go more into character/world building more than gratuitous sex scenes.

I mean, I'm not expecting the same amount of depth but I do think the tv show left a reasonable amount of depth on the table that it didn't take advantage of and instead went for shock. My hope is that going past book material will force them to do this.
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« Reply #327 on: July 13, 2017, 05:05:06 PM »
My hope is that going past book material will force them to do this.

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« Reply #328 on: July 13, 2017, 05:21:02 PM »
I believe the show doesn't have as much blatant sex and nudity anymore. It's peppered in here and there but i dont really remember much of that last season.
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« Reply #329 on: July 13, 2017, 05:27:02 PM »
I believe the show doesn't have as much blatant sex and nudity anymore. It's peppered in here and there but i dont really remember much of that last season.

Yeah I was about to say I don't remember any sex last season. I think there was one scene of post-sex naked Ramsay but that's it.

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« Reply #330 on: July 13, 2017, 05:42:19 PM »
Does it have the depth of the books yet?

why would you even expect this from a show with 10-episode seasons

why would you even expect this in a show at all?

I don't expect it to have the same amount of depth but I do want them to go more into character/world building more than gratuitous sex scenes.

I mean, I'm not expecting the same amount of depth but I do think the tv show left a reasonable amount of depth on the table that it didn't take advantage of and instead went for shock. My hope is that going past book material will force them to do this.

Benioff and Weiss are still the showrunners, so no.

I feel like you could get a better show replacing them with PD and Triumph.

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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #331 on: July 13, 2017, 05:50:54 PM »
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« Reply #332 on: July 13, 2017, 06:15:17 PM »
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« Reply #333 on: July 22, 2017, 10:47:41 PM »

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« Reply #334 on: July 22, 2017, 11:08:01 PM »
http://grrm.livejournal.com/544709.html


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Both 'reports' are equally false and equally moronic. I am still working on it, I am still months away (how many? good question), I still have good days and bad days, and that's all I care to say. Whether WINDS or the first volume of FIRE AND BLOOD will be the first to hit the bookstores is hard to say at this juncture, but I do think you will have a Westeros book from me in 2018... and who knows, maybe two. A boy can dream..

I'm just a "new" fan/reader of the books, but....fuck you, George.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #335 on: July 22, 2017, 11:12:01 PM »
George LL Martin

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« Reply #336 on: July 22, 2017, 11:20:32 PM »
Also, he describes " truly weird reports about WOW on the internet of late by 'journalists' who make their stories up out of whole cloth. I don't know which story is more absurd, . . . , or the one that says I have no pages. Both 'reports' are equally false and equally moronic."

Dude, the most prominent web "news" article of you having "no pages" is a year and a half old.  That is NOT "of late".

And good job on dispelling those rumours by saying that, maybe, WoW might show up by 2018.

Writing off 2017 completely, for fuck's sake.  Go fuck your hat.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #337 on: July 23, 2017, 02:21:39 AM »
"My vanity world building project is so big it's two volumes now! ...the actual story might come out some day, go fuck yourselves."

THIS FUCKING GUY
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #338 on: July 23, 2017, 04:35:30 AM »
Is there a chance someone take over writing ASIOAF when, not if, George dies?
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« Reply #339 on: July 23, 2017, 04:49:44 AM »
Completely contingent on his will and the wishes of his estate, I'd imagine.
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« Reply #340 on: July 23, 2017, 08:34:30 AM »
Is there a chance someone take over writing ASIOAF when, not if, George dies?

Already done. Sundays on HBO.

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« Reply #341 on: July 23, 2017, 09:23:04 AM »
Is there a chance someone take over writing ASIOAF when, not if, George dies?

Already done. Sundays on HBO.

No I mean having someone else write the books. Like that Malazan series.
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« Reply #342 on: July 23, 2017, 09:25:52 AM »
Completely contingent on his will and the wishes of his estate, I'd imagine.

It probably won't happen. George has gone on to say shit like,"I will have all manuscripts deleted as of my passing". I don't want to sound like some edgy asshat who thinks she's owed the shit but George just seems like such an asshole especially regarding that. It's not like that's the only time either. There's also the latest journal entry too. Hopefully his wife ignores it because Jesus Christ, George.

I used to defend him but him producing that Sci fi series just pushes him into asshole category to me now.
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« Reply #343 on: July 23, 2017, 09:36:55 AM »
At this point I doubt I'll even read the next books. The story will be done and it'll be impossible for me to unlearn Show story enough to get back into Book story.
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« Reply #344 on: July 23, 2017, 12:03:09 PM »
I go back and forth on Martin's assholishness.

On the one hand, it's all his shit, and he can do what he wants when he wants. He's not beholden to anyone and doesn't owe people shit. He's right about that. If he wants to durdle around in Westeros and write about boring Targaryen kings that no one other than he and the spergs on westeros.org care about, that's his deal. He can world build all he wants and not explore the story he set out to write.

However... he laid out plans a long time ago for how the series was going to proceed. Which gave people expectations. And he likes to go around reading chapters from future books as a teaser.

I'd have more sympathy for his "I write at my own pace and things will be finished when they are" shit if he hadn't made public statements about how the story was going to play out.
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« Reply #345 on: July 23, 2017, 03:10:08 PM »
I don't get why he bothers even addressing this shit at this point. The books aren't done, and firing off these 'quiet children, you'll eat when dinner's ready' posts don't really seem to serve any purpose beyond agitating an already annoyed fanbase.

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« Reply #346 on: July 23, 2017, 04:33:18 PM »
Is there a chance someone take over writing ASIOAF when, not if, George dies?

Already done. Sundays on HBO.

No I mean having someone else write the books. Like that Malazan series.

I know. And what I mean is that you'll take the show and say thanks George. Because that's all we're gonna get.

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« Reply #347 on: July 23, 2017, 04:53:39 PM »
I don't get why he bothers even addressing this shit at this point. The books aren't done, and firing off these 'quiet children, you'll eat when dinner's ready' posts don't really seem to serve any purpose beyond agitating an already annoyed fanbase.

Because George RR Martin is an asshole.
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« Reply #348 on: July 24, 2017, 12:29:24 PM »
I understand disappointment, and fighting a long losing fight. I'm a Nas stan, after all. But I will not take this L. Fuck GRRM and fuck those books.

In a few months I will have convinced myself I never read the books. Won't be hard. I still don't acknowledge Nastradamus even exists.
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« Reply #349 on: July 24, 2017, 02:38:36 PM »
I understand disappointment, and fighting a long losing fight. I'm a Nas stan, after all. But I will not take this L. Fuck GRRM and fuck those books.

In a few months I will have convinced myself I never read the books. Won't be hard. I still don't acknowledge Nastradamus even exists.

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« Reply #351 on: July 24, 2017, 04:32:29 PM »
"GRRM has like 400 pages he cut from the end of Dance. He can get Winds out by 2014, 2015 at the latest!"

Fucking lol. This lazy POS.

It's like people forgot had like 700 pages for Dance after Feast released and it still took him 6 years.  :doge

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« Reply #352 on: July 24, 2017, 05:47:17 PM »
That's what happens when you get embroiled into a story with dozens of characters doing their own parallel things.

Martin can talk shit all he wants about Tolkien, but he certainly ain't nowhere near the master :rejoice

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« Reply #353 on: July 24, 2017, 07:55:43 PM »
It's impossible to know for sure what happened, but if I had to guess I'd say it was something like this:

Martin wrote the first three books in a short time span. He was very into it. He decided to make it this grand long thing and made a bunch of public statements about how it would be seven books.

He started to struggle with the fourth book. He became more interested in the world of Westeros and exploring it than continuing the narrative he'd originally conceived. This is born out by the actual evidence at hand- the pacing of books and 4 and 5 is shitty, and bloated with lots of things that for as much as the stans will make excuses, are inconsequential to the overall narrative. See also: all the short stories and crap, and the World of Song of Ice and Fire or whatever book.

Martin has obviously put in more work towards non "core" ASoIaF Westrosi gibberish and other pursuits (being famous, other books, the tv show) than he has the main series in the past 16 or so years. The evidence just plainly affirms this.

So basically, if you ever read and enjoyed the Dunk and Egg stories or any of his other shit, you're to blame.

*stern gaze at PD*
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #354 on: July 24, 2017, 08:48:35 PM »
Lol reading books is for nerds

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« Reply #355 on: July 24, 2017, 10:56:00 PM »
It's impossible to know for sure what happened, but if I had to guess I'd say it was something like this:

Martin wrote the first three books in a short time span. He was very into it. He decided to make it this grand long thing and made a bunch of public statements about how it would be seven books.

He started to struggle with the fourth book. He became more interested in the world of Westeros and exploring it than continuing the narrative he'd originally conceived. This is born out by the actual evidence at hand- the pacing of books and 4 and 5 is shitty, and bloated with lots of things that for as much as the stans will make excuses, are inconsequential to the overall narrative. See also: all the short stories and crap, and the World of Song of Ice and Fire or whatever book.

Martin has obviously put in more work towards non "core" ASoIaF Westrosi gibberish and other pursuits (being famous, other books, the tv show) than he has the main series in the past 16 or so years. The evidence just plainly affirms this.

So basically, if you ever read and enjoyed the Dunk and Egg stories or any of his other shit, you're to blame.

*stern gaze at PD*

I think, as evidenced by this and Wild Cards, that he likes to build worlds more than write complete stories. Clearly he loves the world of Westeros and he likes to imagine all kinds of histories and whatever, but actually trying to make anything logical or connected out of them is not something he enjoys. After all, he's a Gardener, not a Planner.
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Re: A Song of Ice and Fire discussion
« Reply #356 on: April 25, 2018, 01:14:13 PM »
Hey look, a George RR Martin book is coming out this year!

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« Reply #357 on: April 25, 2018, 02:21:50 PM »
LMAO

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« Reply #358 on: April 25, 2018, 02:52:10 PM »
Winter will never come

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« Reply #359 on: April 25, 2018, 05:11:01 PM »
Every time this gets bumped I get a shot to the nerves opening the thread because the bump is either going to be Winds is coming, Winds is not coming,  or GRRM died and the dream is dead.