Author Topic: Sony @ E3: Please Understand (Read 11714 times)

MCD · « **Reply #240 on:** June 09, 2011, 03:02:08 AM »

Yeah, 3DS is fucked.

T-Short · « **Reply #241 on:** June 09, 2011, 03:23:29 AM »

The elephant in the room right now is software pricing. Apparently GameStop (lulz) are claiming that Vita games will be $40, and Sony is claiming that the production budget for games is closer to PSP than PS3. It's a bit bewildering, because the assets and general quality (looking at, say, Uncharted) seem to suggest a significant step up from PSP...

T-Short · « **Reply #242 on:** June 09, 2011, 03:46:14 AM »

Price subsidies for identical ports is one thing, but what about Vita-only (if there is going to be such a thing) games? Sony will want to recoup some of those monies since they are taking a loss on the Vita for the first three years.

BTW DC, how much do you reckon they are losing on each Vita unit at 249/299? Any guess? $100? I'm guessing savings from cheaper component fabrication is going to be offset by price drops within those first three years, seems a bit of a long stretch otherwise

maxy · « **Reply #243 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:07:35 AM »

Hustle Kings--$40

Isn't that some cheap PSN game?

T-Short · « **Reply #244 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:15:14 AM »

Quote from: dcharlie on June 09, 2011, 03:56:33 AM

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BTW DC, how much do you reckon they are losing on each Vita unit at 249/299? Any guess? $100? I'm guessing savings from cheaper component fabrication is going to be offset by price drops within those first three years, seems a bit of a long stretch otherwise

If they started with a price and worked backwards i'm guessing that they aren't losing THAT much. $30-40 per unit maybe ? The thing is that Nintendo did Sony a massive favour by massively overpricing the 3DS.

They are also probably covering some of the US cost by the JPN cost - 24980 yen = $372 (!) though currency rates will change of course.

I don't expect price drops - i expect "value packs" for the first 18 months and then they'll evalute where they are sales wise after that.

Yeah the dollar rate is lololol of course, agreed. And Nintendo probably won't even react since they are so fucking stubborn about always making a profit on the HW. I guess their only hope is a big drop in price for the parallax barrier screen, but seems to me that this type of stuff is only ever going to be low-volume production (compared to regular panels).

Will be really interesting to see actual proper game prices and sales, considering PSP SW sales were, well, let's call them modest.

maxy · « **Reply #245 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:32:19 AM »

Super Stardust Delta--$40

following Nintendo footsteps

T-Short · « **Reply #246 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:36:01 AM »

placeholder prices, yo

snaggots at gaf are of course already believing this to be omg confirmation all games will be $40 max

maxy · « **Reply #247 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:48:01 AM »

Those games will have digital releases at the same time,right?

I wonder how they will handle that

MCD · « **Reply #248 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:55:08 AM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on June 09, 2011, 04:25:07 AM

Yeah, even though my excite is at maximum now for the Vita, I still think it's going to have a rough go outside Japan. Inside Japan, though? Nintendo could wear five extra pairs of trousers and they're still going to bleed for days with what Sony is about to do to them.

Until Pokemon, anyway. $:-\$

And Dragon shitty Quest. $:-\$

The Sceneman · « **Reply #249 on:** June 09, 2011, 05:31:43 AM »

JRPGs on Vita will be better than sex. Can't wait for Valkyria Chronicles 4 Vita

cool breeze · « **Reply #250 on:** June 09, 2011, 08:49:32 AM »

other random news: games might cost $40 (price as listed on Gamestop's site; they were right about the 3DS game price) and the analog sticks do not click in.

trailers of the best two games

Gravity Daze. This is made by the team behind Siren.
[youtube=560,345]5Pxbkais19k[/youtube]

Shinobido 2

[youtube=560,345]Vs480xIN-y4[/youtube]

edit: region free is confirmed then?

Purple Filth · « **Reply #251 on:** June 09, 2011, 01:17:49 PM »

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #252 on:** June 09, 2011, 03:39:04 PM »

I got the Vita demo. Everything is perfect except for the buttons which are tiny tiny and the analog sticks are convex, fiddly, finger cramping nubbins.

huckleberry · « **Reply #253 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:30:24 PM »

does it cramp your hands like the Go?

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #254 on:** June 09, 2011, 04:47:12 PM »

Yeah it does. The position of the stick in relation to the buttons also feels really weird. The buttons are REALLY small too, we are talking 3DS levels here.

Himu · « **Reply #255 on:** June 09, 2011, 05:11:23 PM »

PS Vita already obliterates 3ds

I want one for christmas

huckleberry · « **Reply #256 on:** June 09, 2011, 05:15:34 PM »

That sucks $:-\$

Also, just read:

Quote

Q: Do you have any plans to introduce a video output cable? Will PS Vita have HDMI output?
A: No, PS Vita does not have a video output feature.

$:-\$ $:-\$

Himu · « **Reply #257 on:** June 09, 2011, 05:18:14 PM »

Quote from: Arde0 on June 09, 2011, 05:15:34 PM

Also, just read:

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Q: Do you have any plans to introduce a video output cable? Will PS Vita have HDMI output?
A: No, PS Vita does not have a video output feature.

$:-\$ $:-\$

$:-\$ $:-\$ $:-\$

huckleberry · « **Reply #258 on:** June 09, 2011, 05:20:10 PM »

It's not that I demand to have video out - after all it is a portable machine. It's just that it would have been really really fucking nice.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #259 on:** June 09, 2011, 06:08:43 PM »

Button size and analog placements are now concerning me.

@Sho Nuff: How comfortable was it to hold the system? do you see avoiding spreading your fingers over the touch pad as a big problem in the future? and finally: do you have giant hands?

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #260 on:** June 09, 2011, 06:12:01 PM »

Trippy Ridge Racer tech/concept demo:

[youtube=560,345]qQ3S6et6r1Y[/youtube]

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #261 on:** June 09, 2011, 06:27:33 PM »

Quote from: Shah Rukh Khan on June 09, 2011, 06:08:43 PM

Button size and analog placements are now concerning me.

@Sho Nuff: How comfortable was it to hold the system? do you see avoiding spreading your fingers over the touch pad as a big problem in the future? and finally: do you have giant hands?

Holding it was fine. Triggers were comfortable, dpad was aces. Multitouch very responsive in front and back--back is tricky to use as you cant see your fingers (duh). And I am 6'2" and have pretty big hands.

I found it sad that the touch screen means you have to get your greasy fingers all over DAT OLED.

cool breeze · « **Reply #262 on:** June 09, 2011, 07:14:51 PM »

yeah, what's up with the d-pad? I've seen it referred to as a floating d-pad (on the good end, Saturn; on the bad, xbox 360) and it appears to be a single exposed piece instead of divided by plastic.

[youtube=560,345]pzOFPNkAM4M[/youtube]

I hope this is a launch game

Brehvolution · « **Reply #263 on:** June 09, 2011, 07:20:59 PM »

Sho Nuff, did your right finger ever slip off and hit the start or select buttons? Or maybe your thumb knuckle?

pilonv1 · « **Reply #264 on:** June 09, 2011, 07:23:58 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on June 09, 2011, 05:18:14 PM

Quote from: Arde0 on June 09, 2011, 05:15:34 PM
Also, just read:

Quote
Q: Do you have any plans to introduce a video output cable? Will PS Vita have HDMI output?
A: No, PS Vita does not have a video output feature.

$:-\$ $:-\$

$:-\$ $:-\$ $:-\$

Chinner · « **Reply #265 on:** June 10, 2011, 07:33:56 AM »

12 mins of uncharted psv footage
[youtube=560,345]jSzF2PSohBU[/youtube]

who wants babby nintendo shit now???

WrikaWrek · « **Reply #266 on:** June 10, 2011, 07:39:44 AM »

Still see the 3DS as the more interesting handheld.

Who the fuck wants to play Uncharted out of the house? Where? Why are you playing it, you should be ashamed.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #267 on:** June 10, 2011, 08:48:45 AM »

Uncharted Vita does not interest me in the slightest, especially when 3 is just around the corner. Good thing there are at least 4 other launch Vita games that does. A lot!

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #268 on:** June 10, 2011, 09:27:00 AM »

Quote from: Quaz51

Virtua tennis 4 on PS3 and Vita

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7504/9043l.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3925/loadingo.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6922/vt4vita.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7479/0vt4vita2.jpg

PS3 = 1280x720 MSAAx2
Vita = 960x544 MSAAx4!

it's not the first Vita game with MSAAx4, Vita seem friend with MSAA

Diunx · « **Reply #269 on:** June 10, 2011, 11:54:35 AM »

Quote from: Borys on June 10, 2011, 07:35:51 AM

Umm... people who don't want PS3 ports?

Better than shit64 ports tbh.

Himu · « **Reply #270 on:** June 10, 2011, 11:57:20 AM »

Quote from: WrikaWrek on June 10, 2011, 07:39:44 AM

Still see the 3DS as the more interesting handheld.

Who the fuck wants to play Uncharted out of the house? Where? Why are you playing it, you should be ashamed.

yeah that's the only game on the ps vita

cool breeze · « **Reply #271 on:** June 10, 2011, 01:45:48 PM »

I'm pretty cool on Uncharted Vita. The two things that keep my interest are Bend, who made great PSP shooters, and news about how the focus would be on puzzles/exploration rather than shooting. It would be great if Uncharted Vita was literally Tomb Raider with a guy, instead of guy in a jungle shoots a lot of people and solves like three puzzles.

Quote from: Shah Rukh Khan on June 10, 2011, 09:27:00 AM

Quote from: Quaz51
Virtua tennis 4 on PS3 and Vita

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7504/9043l.jpg
http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/3925/loadingo.jpg

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6922/vt4vita.jpg
http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/7479/0vt4vita2.jpg

PS3 = 1280x720 MSAAx2
Vita = 960x544 MSAAx4!

it's not the first Vita game with MSAAx4, Vita seem friend with MSAA

I'm glad Virtua Tennis looks nice on it. I'll probably pick it up.

The biggest worry I have is that games will try to include gimmicky touch screen crap. Dynasty Warriors looked awesome in screens, then you see the gameplay video and it's touch screen QTE garbage.

btw, news about the Vita launch:

Hot Shots Golf and Virtua Tennis are launch games.
LittleBigPlanet is not a launch game

Brehvolution · « **Reply #272 on:** June 10, 2011, 02:43:00 PM »

Hot Shots is the main reason I'm getting one.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #273 on:** June 10, 2011, 03:51:57 PM »

i just know i'm gonna end up taking it in the ass from another lbp game

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #274 on:** June 10, 2011, 04:45:44 PM »

Quote from: Dr. Feelbad on June 10, 2011, 03:51:57 PM

i just know i'm gonna end up taking it in the ass from another lbp game

For what it's worth, Vita looks like it was made for a game like LBP. I fully intended on skipping it like I skipped the PSP's entry, but the hands-on videos piqued my interest:

[youtube=560,345]WExBJJIiJrk[/youtube]

cool breeze · « **Reply #275 on:** June 10, 2011, 05:09:12 PM »

i'll only be interested in it if it supports levels from LBP2. I liked LBP2, but the entire user generated level thing is lost on me because I'm too lazy to swap disks and load up the game on my TV. It's easier to just pick up the Vita and check that way.

Modnation Racers seemed to have that functionality. That's another game I might get, maybe. There is a trial for the PS3 version for Plus members and I might give that a go. The beta seemed ok but nothing great. Plus I'll probably be picking up the new Mario Kart 3DS....fool me eight times, still shame on you.

Shaka Khan · « **Reply #276 on:** June 10, 2011, 05:13:52 PM »

Modnation is something that could work on the Vita, but everything they showed was stuttery and janky as hell. They need to tighten things up (fps and physics), while avoiding painfully long loading times, they might win me over.

Nintendosbooger · « **Reply #277 on:** June 11, 2011, 02:46:42 AM »

No video output? Are you kidding me?

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #278 on:** June 11, 2011, 03:10:34 AM »

I wonder if it's a scaling problem. The screen is 960x544 and that's a far cry from even 1280x720.

Then again, the PSP-2000 was 480x272 and could output a 720x480 display through video out.

Nintendosbooger · « **Reply #279 on:** June 11, 2011, 03:18:11 AM »

Don't think it's as much of a scaling problem as it is a "we-don't-want-the-PSV-to-potentially-canabalize-PS3-sales" problem. Can't say their concerns are unfounded considering I've, personally, been deciding between the two devices myself.

cool breeze · « **Reply #280 on:** June 11, 2011, 03:19:57 AM »

PSP video out sucks, though. It didn't stretch the picture and left a tiny picture bordered on all edges.

regardless Sony should get video out happening. fact that they've firmly dismissed it instead of giving an "we're looking into the possibilities of a potential video output feature" answer is worrying.

and how was PSP video out captured in the past? Vita units at E3 had hdmi out

maxy · « **Reply #281 on:** June 11, 2011, 08:12:04 AM »

can't wait to see the price

Diunx · « **Reply #282 on:** June 11, 2011, 10:29:12 AM »

Those fucking proprietary cards are my only concern about the console.

Purple Filth · « **Reply #283 on:** June 11, 2011, 12:07:01 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on June 11, 2011, 06:21:20 AM

lol

it's a "we plan on making a revised hardware down the road to resell you suckers and we want to hold back one or two good features for it" problem

now that sony have tasted that fine teat that is revised hardware sales, they'll be snuggling in next to nintendo on that issue from here on out

yea Japan shows this (they released crazy amount of colors and got a sales boost most of the time

)

Quote from: Diunx on June 11, 2011, 10:29:12 AM

Those fucking proprietary cards are my only concern about the console.

I hope the prices are somewhat reasonable $:-\$

archie4208 · « **Reply #284 on:** June 11, 2011, 12:38:10 PM »

Quote from: Purple Filth on June 11, 2011, 12:07:01 PM

Quote from: Diunx on June 11, 2011, 10:29:12 AM
Those fucking proprietary cards are my only concern about the console.

I hope the prices are somewhat reasonable $:-\$

haha

Purple Filth · « **Reply #285 on:** June 11, 2011, 01:41:10 PM »

Quote from: archie4208 on June 11, 2011, 12:38:10 PM

Quote from: Purple Filth on June 11, 2011, 12:07:01 PM
Quote from: Diunx on June 11, 2011, 10:29:12 AM
Those fucking proprietary cards are my only concern about the console.

I hope the prices are somewhat reasonable $:-\$

haha

i can deal with them costing more than the SDs, Micro, etc but just don't let the gap be fucking ridiculous

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #286 on:** June 12, 2011, 09:38:56 PM »

No HDMI out? Fuck this shit. I'll wait on the Vita until they get this shit sorted out. I can wait...

Quote from: Purple Filth on June 11, 2011, 12:07:01 PM

Quote from: Diunx on June 11, 2011, 10:29:12 AM
Those fucking proprietary cards are my only concern about the console.

I hope the prices are somewhat reasonable $:-\$

ROFL, Sony is going to gouge the fuck out of any accessory possible.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #287 on:** June 13, 2011, 01:10:00 AM »

I'm sure it technically could. But as you say they won't be able to sell HD remasters of their first party games 12 months later.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #288 on:** June 13, 2011, 09:56:12 AM »

Quote from: mojovonio on June 11, 2011, 12:33:23 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 10, 2011, 02:43:00 PM
Hot Shots is the main reason I'm getting one.

here, here

Play with me, mayne.

chronovore · « **Reply #289 on:** June 14, 2011, 02:13:26 AM »

Quote from: dcharlie on June 13, 2011, 12:39:22 AM

Why can't the PSV remote play in reverse?

(i guess because sony want to sell the PS3 versions of PSV games, but... i mean technically... )

In that sense, why can't PS3 play PSP games while it's connected via USB cable?

naff · « **Reply #290 on:** June 14, 2011, 07:39:39 AM »

Quote from: The Experiment on June 12, 2011, 09:38:56 PM

ROFL, Sony is going to gouge the fuck out of any accessory possible.

Can't be worse than PS/PS2 memory cards

chronovore · « **Reply #291 on:** June 14, 2011, 07:50:45 AM »

Quote from: dcharlie on June 14, 2011, 03:50:16 AM

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In that sense, why can't PS3 play PSP games while it's connected via USB cable?

it can be done on a PC so i assume there's some reason?

Probably the same reason Nintendo keeps re-releasing old titles in new formats: they can.

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