Author Topic: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS (Read 10265 times)

etiolate · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2012, 03:33:52 AM »

I'm watching the mad men cast on PBS and Weiner says he doesn't know why people think Betty is a bad mom. Januarary Jones seems offended that people dislike Betty. Though may all be explained by Weiner thinking that Betty has matured and I don't think most of the audience agrees.

Barry Egan · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2012, 07:11:46 AM »

If Betty is meant to be portrayed as a good mother then I am inclined to say that January Jones just doesn't have the chops to make that real for the audience. Then again I often think that she was cast because her static limitations as an actress actually made her well suited for the role of Betty.

etiolate · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2012, 07:29:29 AM »

Well it was Weiner who thought she was a good mom. I don't see where that comes across in the writing. Her relationship with her daughter isn't exactly endearing.

Himu · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2012, 07:41:20 AM »

I don't think they want to portray Betty as a good mother but a mother that's just a product of her times. I'm not sure. In any case I really like Betty and find her story the saddest on the show next to Don's. Did Weiner really say she is a "good mom"? Or is that you paraphrasing?

etiolate · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2012, 07:46:25 AM »

My paraphrasing, but it may be a direct quote. There was like a defense of the character Betty by both Weiner and Jones. The quote may have been like "A lot of people think she's a bad mother, but I don't see that."

FlameofCallandorReturns · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2012, 07:47:29 AM »

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FlameofCallandorReturns · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2012, 07:51:53 AM »

My personal favorite scene of the whole series.

Himu · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2012, 07:54:23 AM »

Well that doesn't mean she's a GOOD mother either. I don't think she's necessarilly a bad mother, but she's certainly not good with kids. I don't think you can say Don is a particularly good father either, though be certainly likes kids. People can say Don treats his kids well all they want, but ultimately this is a dude who fucked his kids teacher, even after he was found out to be a cheater. Why? Just because!

etiolate · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2012, 07:59:49 AM »

The difference is that Don fears abandoning his children because of his past and his childhood, so even though his life is a mess and probably needs psychologist girlfriend, he proposes to the nanny girlfriend because the children like her.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2012, 09:28:56 AM »

going to have to avoid the internet on monday until I get home from work

Himu · « **Reply #11 on:** March 24, 2012, 04:31:52 AM »

recaps for people who forgot the story aka fegs

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #12 on:** March 24, 2012, 04:46:40 PM »

She's cold. She's emotionally and, occasionally, psychically abusive. She molested her daughter's ten-year old friend. She fired their beloved nanny/house-keeper. Am I missing something?

Himu · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:46:28 PM »

She didn't molest Glenn.

Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:50:28 PM »

I watched the first 30 minutes of this when it first started. Didn't like it. Found the subject focus really boring, and it looked like a poorly recreated Hitchcock style by people who weren't there, so feel the need to be totally anal about everything from that era.

USA vs Japan in WW2 with the kid from Jurassic Park was far better.

Himu · « **Reply #15 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:51:29 PM »

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2012, 06:57:10 PM »

Still on S2 lol

Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2012, 07:00:33 PM »

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Oh The Pacific. It starts really dull, but maaaaaaan. The last couple of eps are some really intense stuff. More so when on drugs.

Flannel Boy · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2012, 07:23:58 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 24, 2012, 06:46:28 PM

She didn't molest Glenn.

Molest: To subject to unwanted or improper sexual activity.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2012, 07:24:39 PM »

Going from other stuff that she has done that I've seen, I don't think January Jones has the acting range to be anything other than a cold, distant stepford wife.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #20 on:** March 24, 2012, 07:25:05 PM »

this show is bad i only watched part of season 1 up to the part where don goes to kill his brother but gives him money instead its so dumb. its like charles in charge except for nerds

Himu · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2012, 07:26:11 PM »

Quote from: Flannel Boy on March 24, 2012, 07:23:58 PM

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 24, 2012, 06:46:28 PM
She didn't molest Glenn.
Molest: To subject to unwanted or improper sexual activity.

Er. Glenn walked in on her in the restroom dude.

Your memory is fuzzy. At most, she let him cut some of her hair.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #22 on:** March 24, 2012, 07:31:43 PM »

Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on March 24, 2012, 07:25:05 PM

this show is bad i only watched part of season 1 up to the part where don goes to kill his brother but gives him money instead its so dumb. its like charles in charge except for nerds

This is such a dumb post that it cracked me up.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #23 on:** March 24, 2012, 07:37:10 PM »

So does Betty ever do anything with the kid she gave a lot of hair to? I need to know

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #24 on:** March 24, 2012, 07:38:38 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2012, 07:37:10 PM

So does Betty ever do anything with the kid she gave a lot of hair to? I need to know

Nothing sexually.

There is some stuff that goes on between them on Season 4.

Himu · « **Reply #25 on:** March 24, 2012, 07:39:53 PM »

I seriously have no clue what Flannel Boy is talking about. She didn't molest Glenn.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #26 on:** March 25, 2012, 03:44:54 PM »

my problem with this show is its just too convenient. its like things are here and happen just so they could tell a story instead of making these real characters. so you get ludicrious situations.

Himu · « **Reply #27 on:** March 25, 2012, 04:06:42 PM »

that's not mad men at all. you seem to be talking about breaking bad.

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #28 on:** March 25, 2012, 04:15:20 PM »

no it is mad men at all. it's convenient that theres a gay and lesbian employees. it's convenient that don has a brother who is a pain. it's conneient that dons brohter sees him on the train when he little and his mother tells him he's not there. its just too damn convenient

Himu · « **Reply #29 on:** March 25, 2012, 04:18:21 PM »

there's only one gay employee, and they use it as a vehicle to explore what it's like to be gay in the 60's. don having a brother is not convenient, neither is his brother seeing him on the train. convenient is "I walked into a random bar and met the father of the daughter I accidentally killed tonight who happens to kill himself a year later because he was an airplane pilot, crashed a plane, killing and injuring many and it's all my fault."

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #30 on:** March 25, 2012, 04:19:22 PM »

no himuro it's convenient and u forgot that red hair bitchs roommate was a gay too. it's too convenient. there werent that much gays back then and i meant convenient that dons brother kills himself and also other examples. the show is basically convenient the show

Himu · « **Reply #31 on:** March 25, 2012, 04:20:02 PM »

God you're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged

MyNameIsMethodis · « **Reply #32 on:** March 25, 2012, 04:21:29 PM »

no just yorue a giant fucking fanboy

Himu · « **Reply #33 on:** March 25, 2012, 09:00:57 PM »

It's here!

Positive Touch · « **Reply #34 on:** March 25, 2012, 09:11:53 PM »

CHILD PORN ALERT

Himu · « **Reply #35 on:** March 25, 2012, 09:51:01 PM »

Holy shit, this episode is treating Pete like he's the new main character almost and Don seems together now

Himu · « **Reply #36 on:** March 25, 2012, 11:23:47 PM »

Great season opener. I laughed so much.

Beezy · « **Reply #37 on:** March 25, 2012, 11:27:23 PM »

Quote from: Stringer Bell on March 25, 2012, 11:23:47 PM

Great season opener. I laughed so much.

Yes. This was definitely one of the funniest episodes so far.

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #38 on:** March 26, 2012, 01:14:15 AM »

Quote from: Thomas Householmes Lane on March 25, 2012, 04:19:22 PM

no himuro it's convenient and u forgot that red hair bitchs roommate was a gay too. it's too convenient. there werent that much gays back then and i meant convenient that dons brother kills himself and also other examples. the show is basically convenient the show

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #39 on:** March 26, 2012, 01:47:53 AM »

etiolate · « **Reply #40 on:** March 26, 2012, 04:11:42 AM »

Amazingly, Don and Megan's marriage is even weirder than I assumed it to be.

Robo · « **Reply #41 on:** March 26, 2012, 09:36:56 PM »

Am I crazy or is Jessica Pare a reeeaaaaaaaaally terrible actress? She makes January Jones look like Meryl Streep.

etiolate · « **Reply #42 on:** March 26, 2012, 09:53:53 PM »

No, she played the part that was written. It just seems that Weiner likes to marry Don to messed up little girls.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #43 on:** March 28, 2012, 08:45:04 AM »

Loved Pete in the second episode, and any episode with a long Harry appearance is great.

Fifstar · « **Reply #44 on:** March 28, 2012, 12:21:50 PM »

Solid first episode(s). Seems like Don is losing his bite even more this season, at least it seemed like he barely cares about the company anymore.

I also didn't feel that Jessica Pare did a bad job, in fact I felt the portrayal of their relationship in the first half of the show convincing (especially as the ending of the last season left a sour taste in my mouth, was a big fan of Faye). The sex scene was weird tho, I almost thought Don was going to rape her.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #45 on:** March 28, 2012, 04:47:49 PM »

Next episode Betty comes back.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #46 on:** March 28, 2012, 06:42:17 PM »

I enjoyed the two episodes without her. But she'll need to be in it as we see Sally's spiral into a coke whore.

Himu · « **Reply #47 on:** March 28, 2012, 06:52:20 PM »

Don't you dare talk about Sally like that.

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #48 on:** March 28, 2012, 06:58:41 PM »

Quote from: Robo on March 26, 2012, 09:36:56 PM

Am I crazy or is Jessica Pare a reeeaaaaaaaaally terrible actress? She makes January Jones look like Meryl Streep.

Considering how January Jones is fucking terrible at best, I can't imagine anyone could be any worse.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #49 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:00:37 PM »

Jones is a bad actress? I've only seen S1 and half of S2, but I have no qualms. Is this just a case of people not liking the character, and thus projecting on the actress (like say, Skylar in Breaking Bad)?

Olivia Wilde Homo · « **Reply #50 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:08:43 PM »

She also apparently is a terrible person in real life too.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #51 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:22:03 PM »

She's not a terrible actress in Mad Men -- Betty Draper is literally her and it's the role she was born to be. Outside of Mad Men, though, eh...

Robo · « **Reply #52 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:32:57 PM »

She's really not that bad at all in seasons 1 and 2; she was perfectly cast in that role. But the Betty character is so terrible, shallow and one-dimensional in seasons 3 and especially 4 that her diminishing appearance is welcomed. They nearly go so far with her awfulness to justify some of the cruelty she suffered from Don early on, which is sad really. I'm not sure it was done consciously to pull the audience to Don's side exclusively, but that's certainly the effect it's had.

Himu · « **Reply #53 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:36:42 PM »

I wouldn't say Betty is one-dimensional at all. January Jones can't act and is just a pretty face, but she does the Betty role well, and the role was specifically written for her.

The kids on the set are scared of January.

Robo · « **Reply #54 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:43:33 PM »

She's very one-dimensional in season 4. The entire arc of the Francis family there is maneuvering around Betty being insufferably self-centered. It's just caricature of aristocracy in a nuclear family at this point.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #55 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:44:03 PM »

She portrays Betty with a cold, almost childish awkwardness; like a malfunctioning Stepford Wife. I can't really think of another female character Betty Draper could be compared to in terms of her personality and behavior.

If anything that weirdness is what makes people dislike the character as well as the performance, which could be a testament of how good Jones actually is.

Himu · « **Reply #56 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:46:19 PM »

I thought most of Betty's character development in season 4 mostly came from her "therapy" sessions.

Season 3 Betty certainly isn't one-dimensional, and this is mostly through the character of Grandpa Gene and his relationship with Sally and how he's trying his best to avoid her becoming another Betty.

I think Betty's story is totally sad.

Himu · « **Reply #57 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:47:04 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2012, 07:44:03 PM

She portrays Betty with a cold, almost childish awkwardness; like a malfunctioning Stepford Wife. I can't really think of another female character Betty Draper could be compared to in terms of her personality and behavior.

If anything that weirdness is what makes people dislike the character as well as the performance, which could be a testament of how good Jones actually is.

In seasons 3 and 4 she's a bitch, dude. Catch up.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #58 on:** March 28, 2012, 07:52:18 PM »

To be fair, her husband treats her like shit. Her finally snapping shouldn't be blamed entirely on her.

There needs to be a Betty defense force

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #59 on:** March 28, 2012, 08:30:04 PM »

Quote from: Robo on March 28, 2012, 07:43:33 PM

She's very one-dimensional in season 4. The entire arc of the Francis family there is maneuvering around Betty being insufferably self-centered. It's just caricature of aristocracy in a nuclear family at this point.

She's spent so many years being "less than" her husband. I can imagine becoming very self-centered when you're free from that oppression. Betty still remains first and foremost the #1 victim of sexism on the show, and her character changes have been a direct byproduct of that.

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Author Topic: MAD MEN SEASON 5: BRING ON THE COCKTAILS (Read 10265 times)