It's time to face it: Final Fantasy is dead, let's pour a 40

[chronovore]

Yeah, Himu catches plenty of shit. Sometimes he has to go walk it off in a park.

[Third]

DEAD TO ME

FFXII is the last good FF game, and that's from 2006. FFXIII is terrible, I haven't even played XIII-2 because of how terrible XIII was. And I'm not going to play Lightning Returns because of how terrible XIII was.

Square needs to kill off FF XIII and reboot the franchise. Can't believe Square once released 4 great FF games in ~4 years time...

[chronovore]

They're not going to reboot FF, its going to be other RPGs on which they take chances. Once a property hits FF status, there's no way to reboot it until it's dead, and though there have been bad games, it's still making money as an IP overall, so it's not dead.

[Huff]

Isn't every new numbered entry technically a reboot? I bet there's a reboot next gen

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Not going to lie, I'm kind of butthurt over the fact that Square is releasing new FF content to iOS.

Not sure why considering I own an iPhone that can play these games without a problem.

[chronovore]

Not going to lie, I'm kind of butthurt over the fact that Square is releasing new FF content to iOS.

Not sure why considering I own an iPhone that can play these games without a problem.

Isn't that being against Square releasing content on a platform you own? Then again, with FF:ATB, it sounds like that might be common sense, or a highly evolved survival instinct.

[Damian79]

Man FF dimensions is awesome.  Breath of fresh air after the shit that was  FF13 and FF13-2.

[archnemesis]

How far in are you? The prologue wasn't very impressive.

[Diunx]

looks like a flash game, pass.

[Don Flamenco]

how do you reboot a franchise of mostly stand alone titles that span across a wide variety of locations, time periods, gameplay, and everything.

ni no kuni just scored damn well, so JRPGs aren't totally dead...hell, even popularity of gameplay is at an all time low (a "good story" + graphics can overcome it easily, apparently.)  The only thing they need to do is make a good final fantasy game and people will buy/play it.   

[Steve Contra]

I'm not touching this shit after FFXII.  What an absolute piece of shit that was.

[Rahxephon91]

I'm not touching this shit after FFXII.  What an absolute piece of shit that was.

FFXII was bad? That was possibly the best direction the series should and could have gone. You had open environments making it closer to an open world which is what people want in their rpgs these days. While it was still turn based, you could freely move your character. People don't seem to like turn based comment and well they want something close to action based combat. Being able to move at least gives the illusion of more involvement. And while I don't mind and in fact prefer the more crazy Japanese character design style, it's not in vogue. More down to earth "realistic" design is and well FFXII was better in this regard then XIII and X. But it's not just character design, more "realistic" world is also in demand right now. Deatailed worlds that seemingly make "sense", that people can understand and connect with easier is whats popular now. I mean obviously Skyrim is the perfect example, but there's also Mass Effect, Read Dead Redemption, GTAIV, The Witcher , and even Human Revolution. These game's feature worlds and characters that seem more believable and I believe right now that's what people want.

And well FF could do that. It doesn't have to drop it's stupid anime teen angst story. I don't believe that's what is actually turning off people. Most of the games I mentioned above have stupid stories anyway. Honestly Versus XIII could have been that game to do it. It's got action combat. It takes place in a more "realistic" world. The characters are pretty, but their outfits are toned down and your average dude can make sense of it.

I'm not even sure how Ni No Kuni( I think it's just the graphics) scored so well, either way it won't sell here.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I'm not touching this shit after FFXII.  What an absolute piece of shit that was.

FFXII was bad? That was possibly the best direction the series should and could have gone.

I'm not even sure how Ni No Kuni scored so well, either way it won't sell here.

Yeah if FFXII was the direction ff went in i think the game would be wat bigger in the west.

[Himu]

Ni no kuni looks boring and I'm amazed people actually want that game

[tiesto]

Ni no kuni looks boring and I'm amazed people actually want that game

I played the demo at NYCC and it was awesome.

I'm not touching this shit after FFXII.  What an absolute piece of shit that was.

FFXII was bad? That was possibly the best direction the series should and could have gone. You had open environments making it closer to an open world which is what people want in their rpgs these days. While it was still turn based, you could freely move your character. People don't seem to like turn based comment and well they want something close to action based combat. Being able to move at least gives the illusion of more involvement. And while I don't mind and in fact prefer the more crazy Japanese character design style, it's not in vogue. More down to earth "realistic" design is and well FFXII was better in this regard then XIII and X. But it's not just character design, more "realistic" world is also in demand right now. Deatailed worlds that seemingly make "sense", that people can understand and connect with easier is whats popular now. I mean obviously Skyrim is the perfect example, but there's also Mass Effect, Read Dead Redemption, GTAIV, The Witcher , and even Human Revolution. These game's feature worlds and characters that seem more believable and I believe right now that's what people want.

I'm not even sure how Ni No Kuni( I think it's just the graphics) scored so well, either way it won't sell here.

"realistic" and "grounded" characters/worlds in fantasy games just seem like a total oxymoron to me.

[TakingBackSunday]

XII was utter fucking garbage.  It had such promise with a great setting and art direction, but the gameplay was so so so bad and boring.  XIII had a muuuuuuuch more engaging and fun battle system.

[Human Snorenado]

XII was utter fucking garbage.  It had such promise with a great setting and art direction, but the gameplay was so so so bad and boring.  XIII had a muuuuuuuch more engaging and fun battle system to enjoy in a series of tunnels

fixt lol

[demi]

Ni No Kuni has nothing to do with FF. We have our lowered expectations thanks to Level 5 as it is. I just want a new HD JRPG to play.

[SantaC]

I just want a new HD JRPG to play.

wait for Monolith soft announcement.

[Diunx]

FFXII was soooo fucking good, I pity the fools that disagree, specially if they enjoyed the piece of crap that was X.

[Steve Contra]

FFXII is just waiting until you don't have to play the game anymore. Wallking around doing nothing while your gambits do the work for you isn't fun.  At all.

But you also liked MGS4, a game that also doesn't require you to play it.

[demi]

I just want a new HD JRPG to play.

wait for Monolith soft announcement.

No thanks.

[Rahxephon91]

You can set your gambits to only do the most tedious stuff all the while you control everything else. It allows you to play the way you want to. My faults with XII is it's bad character development system since you can max out the Licence bored pretty quickly and make everyone the same even faster. And the story whimpers out. Then again I also like X and XIII.

Ni no kuni looks boring and I'm amazed people actually want that game

I played the demo at NYCC and it was awesome.

I'm not touching this shit after FFXII.  What an absolute piece of shit that was.

FFXII was bad? That was possibly the best direction the series should and could have gone. You had open environments making it closer to an open world which is what people want in their rpgs these days. While it was still turn based, you could freely move your character. People don't seem to like turn based comment and well they want something close to action based combat. Being able to move at least gives the illusion of more involvement. And while I don't mind and in fact prefer the more crazy Japanese character design style, it's not in vogue. More down to earth "realistic" design is and well FFXII was better in this regard then XIII and X. But it's not just character design, more "realistic" world is also in demand right now. Deatailed worlds that seemingly make "sense", that people can understand and connect with easier is whats popular now. I mean obviously Skyrim is the perfect example, but there's also Mass Effect, Read Dead Redemption, GTAIV, The Witcher , and even Human Revolution. These game's feature worlds and characters that seem more believable and I believe right now that's what people want.

I'm not even sure how Ni No Kuni( I think it's just the graphics) scored so well, either way it won't sell here.

"realistic" and "grounded" characters/worlds in fantasy games just seem like a total oxymoron to me.

I guess it is. But I'm not sure how better to describe it. Things like Skyrim, Mass Effect, and Game of Thrones. All fantasy/ sci-fi, but popular. I think it's because they make their fantasy worlds feel more grounded more plausible.

[Diunx]

FFXII is just waiting until you don't have to play the game anymore. Wallking around doing nothing while your gambits do the work for you isn't fun.  At all.

But you also liked MGS4, a game that also doesn't require you to play it.

That's only truth if you are one of those idiots that activate the gambits for all three characters.

[tiesto]

XII was utter fucking garbage.  It had such promise with a great setting and art direction, but the gameplay was so so so bad and boring.  XIII had a muuuuuuuch more engaging and fun battle system.

The funny thing is if you mashed up the good points of FFXII (sidequests, large world to explore, Mediterranean-style art direction, optional areas) with XIII (focus, battle system, graphics), then do a hybrid of the gambits/paradigm shift (like, micromanage the AI routines for different paradigms via a gambit-esque system)... then added a decent story you'd have an absolute classic. Both games on their own felt very empty.

FFXII wasn't even half-finished when Matsuno cracked, and it shows.  It's ten or so hours of awesome followed by thirty to forty hours of shit only a developmentally-stalled aspie could enjoy.

Bu-but it was sooooo exciting wandering around those oil rigs that stretched on FOREVER just to find a treasure chest containing a dust mite!

[Positive Touch]

FFXII wasn't even half-finished when Matsuno cracked, and it shows.  It's ten or so hours of awesome followed by thirty to forty hours of shit only a developmentally-stalled aspie could enjoy.

which is why i put over 100 hours into it :bowser

[Don Flamenco]

XII certainly dragged at times.  I didn't like the end game, running through a huge dungeon that you can't get out of. 

XII International seems like it'll be a big improvement, can't wait to give it my full attention.

[naff]

nvm wrong thread lol. First time I did that

[Don Flamenco]

i don't think XBLG should be acceptable anywhere after having PS+ for a year.   

[Rahxephon91]

It was pretty awesome during that "Oil rig" part. Place was big, different, and interesting. Felt like I was going on adventure, like I was traveling some strange foreign place. Thats why I play FF and jrpgs in general.

[Damian79]

How far in are you? The prologue wasn't very impressive.

I am at the second chapter.  Proluge wsa kinda meh though.

[Momo]

FFXII was the one that broke my spirit. Fuck that game.

[Himu]

FFXII is just waiting until you don't have to play the game anymore. Wallking around doing nothing while your gambits do the work for you isn't fun.  At all.

But you also liked MGS4, a game that also doesn't require you to play it.

Eh, FFXII has a lot of tough bosses that do require a lot of strategy and pre-planning. comparing it to mgs4 is kinda off and just an insult

[Momo]

My favorites are FFV, FFVII, FFVIII, FFX  (I would say FFX-2 but fuck, I couldn't look past the shit surrounding the battle system).  I like them because for the most part they give you a battle system that is your sandbox to go and do as you please. White mages doing monk damage in FFV, whatever the fuck you want in FVII, FVIII, FFX. FFIX pissed me off with it's stupid abilities on equips and no freedom to decide progression at all, fuck that game. FFXII's gambits can go die in an icy cold wet blowjob in Antarctica. Fuck all that stupid shit.

[Positive Touch]

FFXII is just waiting until you don't have to play the game anymore. Wallking around doing nothing while your gambits do the work for you isn't fun.  At all.

But you also liked MGS4, a game that also doesn't require you to play it.

Eh, FFXII has a lot of tough bosses that do require a lot of strategy and pre-planning. comparing it to mgs4 is kinda off and just an insult

i'd say it easily has the MOST tough bosses of any game in the series, especially since you can access higher-level areas throughout the game.

[Himu]

My favorites are FFV, VI, VIII, Tactics, X-2, and XII. And I like them because they allow absolute freedom of how the player controls or customizes their characters.

[Himu]

FFXII is just waiting until you don't have to play the game anymore. Wallking around doing nothing while your gambits do the work for you isn't fun.  At all.

But you also liked MGS4, a game that also doesn't require you to play it.

Eh, FFXII has a lot of tough bosses that do require a lot of strategy and pre-planning. comparing it to mgs4 is kinda off and just an insult

i'd say it easily has the MOST tough bosses of any game in the series, especially since you can access higher-level areas throughout the game.

yup. makes the people say it plays by itself look stupid.

[Positive Touch]

even moreso since you CAN play through it 100% manually (even with full ATB) if you want to.

My favorites are FFV, VI, VIII, Tactics, X-2, and XII

 

[Himu]

To be fair, 100% manual FFXII is shit. I played it like that and I hated it. Once I started using gambits for basic stuff like nearest enemy -> attack: leader target and cure < 20% hp, it was a lot more enjoyable. it's shit i was going to do anyways and it still doesn't take tension out of the game. When you're up against enemies who can't be damage because they use a ridiculous buff and you have to switch it up and unbuff, game delivers. If you're using every single gambit for every single action, I'd find the game boring too. If you limit your gambits, it's pretty much the same thing as usual except 10x better.

[Momo]

I wasnt including sub series

[Himu]

best written final fantasy

[Rahxephon91]

Best voiced FF.

[Cerveza mas fina]

FFXII wasn't even half-finished when Matsuno cracked, and it shows.  It's ten or so hours of awesome followed by thirty to forty hours of shit only a developmentally-stalled aspie could enjoy.

No wonder I loved it, i only played 10/15 hours before I quit for some unknown reason (my ps3 broke I think)

[Momo]

If we're going into sub series then Vagrant Story is the best FF anyway

[Hock]

I loved XII. Makes me want to play xenoblade since people have said it was similar.

[Don Flamenco]

FFXII was fantastic. The battle system was great, it was more involved and different enough that I loved it, it reminded me of something like Phantasy Star Online's gameplay just with a more turn based JRPG style. The world was fucking great with tons of fun side quests, the story was still not very good but at least decent enough to care to follow. The voice acting was definitely above other FF games as well.

When I look back on it, it was the perfect new evolution for JRPGs. It also had main characters for japan like Vaan and one's for the west like Basch or Balthier. It was fantastically paced and was varied, a lot more than most FFs especially XIII.

PS2 definitely went out on a high note with FFXII and Bully.

I got pretty addicted to the game's mmo-loot style...sometimes I'd put the game in to play and end up messing around with chains and gambits for a couple hours.  I also didn't think there was a big difference between gambits and what you normally do in a JRPG (lots of repetitive fights pressing the same buttons.)  People made a big deal about it taking control away from the player, but it really just gave you a more meta system to work with--it definitely did NOT play itself, as I got thoroughly destroyed when I wasn't adequately prepared.  Games nowadays take your control away a lot more than this.

[Himu]

Yeap. You will be destroyed in FFXII if you don't have the right equipment. Game is all about that loot and in order to retrieve the best loot early you have to go in crypts where enemies are 10-30 levels above you.

GOAT Final Fantasy

[Diunx]

Himu knows what's up

the voice acting
the badass judges
the loot
finding a fucking t-rex 30 levels above you outside the first dungeon

[Positive Touch]

Did anyone on here beat the ultimate boss besides borys? I did everything except a few random bosses on the map and whatever was in the dungeon under the last level.  Those fuckin frogs would swarm my party before I could get anywhere :\

[Don Flamenco]

coming back to beat the shit out of the T-rex later

[Diunx]

Did anyone on here beat the ultimate boss besides borys? I did everything except a few random bosses on the map and whatever was in the dungeon under the last level.  Those fuckin frogs would swarm my party before I could get anywhere :\

I made it to the one in the frozen lake/snowy mountains map, gave up after my four of fifth try already had like 120 hours clocked in the game

[hampster]

i'd say it easily has the MOST tough bosses of any game in the series, especially since you can access higher-level areas throughout the game.

yup. makes the people say it plays by itself look stupid.

The most fun I've had in a Final Fantasy might have been going off to grab the Zodiac Spear at the first opportunity. Running through those ruins trying to open chests as the monsters attacked me was intense. I went through like 5 of my 6 party members just getting out of there.  Plus some of the fights on the way were a challange like the big firebomb

Man I love FF12. They need to HD that now, forget FFX

[tiesto]

Xenoblade = what FFXII would be if it was actually good.

[Mr. Gundam]

FFXII is good. Although, it does fall prey to the infamous Japanese illness "we-don't-know-how-to-write-a-coherent-ending-itis."

[Himu]

FFXII INTL HD please.

[TakingBackSunday]

I'm with Tiesto.  Mix XII and XIII together and you'd have the best FF game since VI.

[The Sceneman]

I'm up to the final boss in FFXIII and while it isn't a great game, it is a good one. I want Vanille to go to the bathroom on my face

[Phoenix Dark]

I dabbled in FFVII as a kid but never finished it, since I didn't have a PS. In fact the only Final Fantasy I ever truly played and finished was IV. It's one of the best games I've ever played. I was surprised at how good the story and characters were

[recursivelyenumerable]

FF7 is one seriously flawed game in almost every way. I guess in spite of this the gonzo energy the staff put into the project kind of comes through which I think is why people still like it.