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[Am_I_Anonymous]

California about to become New New Mexico brehs

[Human Snorenado]

Short term I think that's a total mis-step by Obama. If it were me, I'd give the new congress a 3 or 4 month deadline and if they can't pass SOMETHING, then I'd act via executive order.

Long term it's probably brilliant because it's just going to further reinforce to Hispanics that the GOP couldn't be bothered to do anything other than sue the President for having to act.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Short term I think that's a total mis-step by Obama. If it were me, I'd give the new congress a 3 or 4 month deadline and if they can't pass SOMETHING, then I'd act via executive order.

Long term it's probably brilliant because it's just going to further reinforce to Hispanics that the GOP couldn't be bothered to do anything other than sue the President for having to act.

rustle them jimmies on the way out brehs

[Human Snorenado]

Jimmy rustling is pretty much the only card Obummer has left to play

[TakingBackSunday]

those are jimmies I endorse rustling

[Phoenix Dark]

Should have done this before the election IMO. Might have saved Colorado.

[Brehvolution]

Look at all that perfectly reasonable tyranny.

[Steve Contra]

The most amazing thing is meeting people who argue it's possible to somehow get rid of all the illegal immigrants in America and you're like 

And then they say we should use the military and you're still like

And then they talk about reducing the debt and you're like

[Phoenix Dark]

Yes, I'm sure hunting down 13 million people with the US military would be a brilliant, cost and image effective campaign.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

Yes, I'm sure hunting down 13 million people with the US military would be a brilliant, cost and image effective campaign.

Indeed, should just have John Deer and Craftsman do it

 

[Phoenix Dark]

better yet, park the deportation truck outside Home Depot and they'll jump right in.
 :lenowned

[Am_I_Anonymous]

better yet, park the deportation truck outside Home Depot and they'll jump right in.
 :lenowned

Or have a fully funded national dishwasher's association meeting.

[benjipwns]

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This looks like a clip from The Fifth Element.

[benjipwns]

Rhetorical Question: Why do these articles always read as so patronizing: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/11/can-we-talk-heres-why-white-working-class-hates-democrats

Also:

This is going to require policy wonks to swallow hard. Remember Cash 4 Clunkers? Economically, that was probably a dumb program that accomplished little. But it didn't do any harm, and people sure loved it. Multiply that by a hundred and you're on the right track.

Bold! Persistent! Experimentation!

[benjipwns]

“Despite Election Results, Partisan Debate Rages On in Senate”—headline, TheHill.com, Nov. 12

[Joe Molotov]

“Despite Election Results, Partisan Debate Rages On in Senate”—headline, TheHill.com, Nov. 12

o4real?

[benjipwns]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/13/harry-reid-obama-immigration_n_6153796.html

WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Thursday that he has urged President Barack Obama not to take any executive action on immigration until December, amid threats from Republicans that such a move could derail funding for the government.

"The president has said he's going to do the executive action -- the question is when he can do it. It's up to him," Reid told reporters on Capitol Hill. "I'd like to get the finances of this country out of the way before he does it."

Reid added that he has expressed his view to Obama, but ultimately "it's up to him."

Obama could take executive action on immigration -- potentially giving deportation relief to millions of undocumented immigrants -- as early as next week, according to reports. Republicans have said it would be a major overreach of his authority, "poisoning the well" for future immigration reform. But they have also indicated it could lead to a government shutdown, should GOP members insist that defunding the new policies be part of the must-pass funding bill.

"If the president illegally tries to grant amnesty to millions of more people, I believe Congress should use every available tool to stop that amnesty and to defend the rule of law," Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) told The Huffington Post.

Even Republicans who criticized last year's government shutdown agreed. Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), both vocal critics of the previous shutdown and co-authors of the Senate immigration bill that passed last year, warned of grave consequences of Obama were to act unilaterally.

"Why not give the new Congress six months to see if we can find a way forward?" Graham told HuffPost. "You've got a bunch of new people coming in who need to be tested about what they believe regarding immigration. Patience is a virtue in life, it's a necessity in a democracy. I just think it's ill-conceived and the public will rebel against it."

Graham added that he had appealed directly to the White House on the matter.

"I said, 'Listen, what's the downside of giving the new Congress a chance? I think most Americans will find this inappropriate and Democrats will pay a price,'" he said. "Most Americans would be for rational comprehensive immigration reform. Very few Americans are for Barack Obama going it alone."

McCain said Obama's decision to take executive action "poisons the well in more ways than one."

"If the president were serious about immigration reform, he'd say, 'It's a new Congress, new members, in both House and Senate, and I'll give them a chance to move forward on immigration reform.' He's not going to do that," McCain said. "So you have to question whether he's really serious about immigration reform or helping with the Hispanic vote in the 2016 election."

McCain also rejected the notion that Congress had forced Obama's hand by failing to act on the issue.

"There may be something happening. You should give it time in order to find that out. What's the difference between three months?" McCain said, adding that he would "absolutely" vote for a continuing resolution that defunds any executive action Obama takes on immigration.

"If he vetoes, he vetoes," McCain said. "I believe in the Constitution. He's the one who's violating the Constitution."

[Human Snorenado]

Just wait until Grandpa and Huckleberry Hound find out there's no one to bomb in an immigration reform bill, they'll lose all interest.

[benjipwns]

WaPo, Politico, etc. too.

It's because nobody knew the first time it came around that the dude had been saying all sorts of shit about how dumb voters are. 

And he was relatively unimportant. Now he's a real thorn in the side. So they're all hunting down as many clips and stuff as they can find.

Best one I saw was one where he says "if you like your health care plan, you can keep it" and then later says basically "we need to eliminate most peoples health care plans because they picked stupid ones" to control costs and stuff.

All of that aside, he comes off as kind of a dick no matter what the subject.

[benjipwns]

http://www.denverpost.com/election2014/ci_26931359/mark-udall-consider-all-options-reveal-cia-torture

WASHINGTON — U.S. Sen. Mark Udall has seven weeks left in office, but the Colorado Democrat isn't prepared to go quietly — especially when it comes to the twin issues of CIA torture and government snooping.

In his first interview since Election Day, Udall told The Denver Post that he would "keep all options on the table" — including a rarely used right given to federal lawmakers — to publicize a secret report about the harsh interrogation techniques used by CIA agents in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

He also vowed to make one final push to curb the National Security Agency and its power to gather information on ordinary Americans.

"Trying to run out the clock ... is not an option," Udall said Thursday of the long-hidden CIA report. "The truth will come out."

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/claire-mccaskill-harry-reid-opposition-112858.html

Harry Reid was elected by Senate Democrats as minority leader on Thursday but faced several “no” votes from red staters who took deep Democratic losses last week as a stamp of public disapproval in the Senate’s leadership.

Defectors included Sens. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who faces a Republican challenger in a runoff race to keep her seat in December. McCaskill was the first Democratic senator to publicly announce her opposition to Reid; Heitkamp and Manchin had refused to say how they would vote going into the elections.

Later Thursday, aides to Virginia Sens. Tim Kaine and Mark Warner, who just narrowly won reelection, said the two had voted against Reid. An aide to Kaine said he “voted no because he believes the caucus should have had a more thorough discussion on strategy before taking a leadership vote.”

[Mupepe]

I'm fucking psyched that Obama is willing to flip the finger and go full blast on executive orders for immigration.  The hispanics I know feel burned since 2008 and giving Republicans a chance to pass it through legislation is exactly what they have wanted.  They want to pass ridiculously cumbersome bills (like Ted Cruz's joke of an idea) with Republican majorities to take full credit.  Fuck them.  I've watched their bullshit over the last 6 years affect the lives of friends and family all for political points.   

[Brehvolution]

 

[Phoenix Dark]

is Obama finally getting his FDR on

[benjipwns]

GAF had another political quiz thread, I got really surprising results and am starting to rethink my entire worldview: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=138939673&postcount=202

(I like how the one quiz besada posted doesn't consider the free trade/immigration questions when calculating the isolationist/internationalist score.)

[Human Snorenado]

I'm just gonna leave this here for AiA...

http://blog.chron.com/goplifer/2014/11/the-missing-story-of-the-2014-election/

[TakingBackSunday]

Ehh...that guy is making a lot of assumptions based on the last two federal elections.  Nevada could swing right, NM could as well (though doubtful).  Granted that is only 11 electoral votes...

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also:

- Vote suppression is working remarkably well, but that won’t last. Eventually Democrats will help people get the documentation they need to meet the ridiculous and confusing new requirements. The whole “voter integrity” sham may have given Republicans a one or maybe two-election boost in low-turnout races. Meanwhile we kissed off minority votes for the foreseeable future.

what does he base this on?  two successful grassroots campaigns by Obama?  I'm not sure the efforts by the DNC and Hilary's base can muster as much movement as when Obama was a candidate.

This is all assuming Hilary is in fact the candidate.  What if its Biden?

- Almost half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. Total coincidence, just pointing that out.

This is a lazy attempt to paint the Republicans as racist.  It's not necessarily untrue, but cmon dude.

- In Congress, there are no more white Democrats from the South. The long flight of the Dixiecrats has concluded.

I generally agree with what this dude is trying to say but he's being kind of a cunt in this article.

[Joe Molotov]

- Almost half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. Total coincidence, just pointing that out.

This is a lazy attempt to paint the Republicans as racist.  It's not necessarily untrue, but cmon dude.

- In Congress, there are no more white Democrats from the South. The long flight of the Dixiecrats has concluded.

I generally agree with what this dude is trying to say but he's being kind of a cunt in this article.

The guy that wrote it is a Republican.

[TakingBackSunday]

[Steve Contra]

- Almost half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. Total coincidence, just pointing that out.

This is a lazy attempt to paint the Republicans as racist.  It's not necessarily untrue, but cmon dude.

- In Congress, there are no more white Democrats from the South. The long flight of the Dixiecrats has concluded.

I generally agree with what this dude is trying to say but he's being kind of a cunt in this article.

The guy that wrote it is a Republican.

Redundant

[StealthFan]

I'm curious how much weather will affect the nig nog mob. Blacks hate the cold almost as much as they hate being held responsible for their actions. It's one thing to riot in August when you can use your Michael Vick jersey to disguise your face while looting (like anybody can tell them apart anyway), it's quite another to go out in a storm fully protected against the cold and still have the ability to grasp objects with those monkey paws. Then again, maybe they'll go out without adequate protection and freeze to death. 

[StealthFan]

Believe it or not that isn't my post. It's from another site.

[ZephyrFate]

"Nig nog mob." Did you go to Stormfront or FreeRepublic?

[StealthFan]

"Nig nog mob." Did you go to Stormfront or FreeRepublic?

SomethingSensitive. I avoid Stormfront and FR because they're pure brain poison.

[TakingBackSunday]

oh fuck off

[Brehvolution]

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.626946 

[TakingBackSunday]

its not my fault you actually are a racist, but hey

[Dickie Dee]

 

[seagrams hotsauce]

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Y'all crack me up sometimes.

You think that's serious though? It's a Jayson Musson piece lol

[Brehvolution]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/18/nsa-reform-senate_n_6181548.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

 

Complain about the NSA and do nothing about it, brehs.

[Great Rumbler]

Remember when just 50 votes [plus a supportive VP] was enough to pass legislation? Good times.

[Human Snorenado]

Obummer to go ahead with his executive orders on immigration

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-to-announce-executive-action-on-immigration-thursday/2014/11/19/c7988ecc-701b-11e4-8808-afaa1e3a33ef_story.html

[Mupepe]

Good. About damn time.

[ToxicAdam]

http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-governor-john-kasich-steals-the-show-at-republican-governors-meeting-002905505.html

Kasich wrecks at governors meeting.

[Phoenix Dark]

Walker is a dumbass but I still think he's your 2016 nominee.

Interesting to see a republican push back against "Obama is the worst of all time" shit. People forget how ugly things were in the 90s with republicans accusing Clinton of rape and murder. Now they want to pretend like they got along with him.

[Oblivion]

This is a lazy attempt to paint the Republicans as racist. 

Oh, the ironing.

Have to ask. Do you think people who fly the confederate flag are racist?

[Steve Contra]

Has Drudge ever been this salty?

[I'm a Puppy!]

So as an immigrant that had to deal with first INS then DHS for 26 years I'm very interested to see what Obama has to say tonight.
It's a bit of a shame that in order to really understand the issues with immigration you sorta have to be an immigrant and for a nation of immigrants we have very few immigrant representatives. Either way, I can tell you that facebook tomorrow? 

[Brehvolution]

He's shredding the constitution we want to change to allow for discrimination and other religious liberties reserved only for christians!

[Phoenix Dark]

Sounds like it's mainly going to focus on stopping deportations for a targeted group of people with families/children. He can't unilaterally give amnesty without congress.

You'd think that at least we could clean up the legal immigration process and make it faster/easier/less distinguished mentally-challenged. But nope, obstruction all day erry day.

I look forward to Obama namedropping Reagan and HW Bush as examples of presidents who have done this shit before.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Exactly. My family was part of that whole Amnesty that Regan pushed through and we paid thousands to get all the paper work done for citizenship but then after we put all the paperwork in they were like "Well, congress voted against it. But thanks for the money!"

[TakingBackSunday]

I really don't like the precedent that Obama is continuing here, but fuck it, its a worthwhile cause.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I don't like it either actually. Don't really get what he's getting at. If it's a political move he's overplaying his hand.

[Phoenix Dark]

I really don't like the precedent that Obama is continuing here, but fuck it, its a worthwhile cause.

I'm fine with it. It's essentially a stopgap measure. Assuming the next president is a democrat it'll stay in place. It also forces 2016 GOP candidates to oppose it and promise to shitcan it when they become president...which in turn ensures Hispanics won't vote for them.

At the end of the day this will give millions of parents ease of mind; they won't be worrying about their family being destroyed out of the blue.

[TakingBackSunday]

That's a good point.  Forgot to consider how it affects the political landscape for the 2016 election.

I'm sure it ensures some of the border states to go more red, but NM might still be a battleground, yes?

[I'm a Puppy!]

I really don't like the precedent that Obama is continuing here, but fuck it, its a worthwhile cause.

I'm fine with it. It's essentially a stopgap measure. Assuming the next president is a democrat it'll stay in place. It also forces 2016 GOP candidates to oppose it and promise to shitcan it when they become president...which in turn ensures Hispanics won't vote for them.

At the end of the day this will give millions of parents ease of mind; they won't be worrying about their family being destroyed out of the blue.

Having been an immigrant after the whole Reagan thing I think it'll ease the mind of some but freak out many because they'll expect a congressional backlash. Just like when Reagan did his whole "amnesty" bit and then congress back hard and not only ended the amnesty but put in additional barriers to citizenship.

[Phoenix Dark]

To be fair what Reagan did wasn't amnesty, it was also a deportation easing issue. Congress reacted against it, but it's worth noting congress can't do shit to end this for the next two years. And if Hillary runs for president it won't be changed for an additional 4-8 years.

[Joe Molotov]

Has Drudge ever been this salty?

Maybe during the Great Fedora Famine of '07.

[HyperZoneWasAwesome]

you know what would have helped move this along in congress, doing this before  to the election.

It obviously wouldn't have hurt the dems anymore then the midterms already did, might have actually increased turnout, and by waiting till now we'll probably get a government shutdown from emboldened republicans (who paid no political price whatsoever over their last shutdown) over this compromised, stopgap measure.

I'm glad its being done, and realistically, I know about the only effective action anymore can be done on the executive level.  Its all just very frustrating as to how and when this gets done (coulda done this same action years ago fer crying out loud).

[ToxicAdam]

I look forward to Obama namedropping Reagan and HW Bush as examples of presidents who have done this shit before.

It would be a mistake to do that, because Reagan's amnesty was done through legislation and (the amnesty part) was mostly a compromise to mid-western farm states that relied heavily on illegal workers. In fact, that bill was sold to the base as border control, not immigration reform.

HW Bush's reform was mostly a tweak on that original act because it unfairly excluded some illegals from amnesty. Also done through legislation.



 

[Phoenix Dark]

Reagan used executive orders to limit the deportation of more than 200,000 Nicaraguans, and HW did a similar thing for Chinese students. Clinton did the same for a multidude of different immigrants.