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« Reply #7680 on: July 03, 2019, 06:52:06 PM »


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« Reply #7681 on: July 04, 2019, 11:58:47 AM »
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« Reply #7682 on: July 04, 2019, 12:06:52 PM »
Dawg, Bianca beat the SHIT out of this girl this week :jeanluc

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« Reply #7683 on: July 04, 2019, 05:01:43 PM »
Haha, yeah she tried to step to her and Bianca was all "lol don't you know you're a local jobber, bish?"
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« Reply #7684 on: July 04, 2019, 05:50:33 PM »
I haven't seen a female squash that rough since like....idk, prime Awesome Kong days?

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« Reply #7685 on: July 06, 2019, 07:29:38 PM »
G1 special from Dallas has been on for an hour and a half on AXS TV, no one seems to give a shit here :lol

Actual block matches are just starting, main events are Ibushi vs KENTA and Tanahashi vs Okada for the first time ever in the US. The AAC is configured for about 40% and still isn't even close to being sold out. Entire upper level is tarped, club level is mostly empty, boxes are closed up, none of the corners had tickets released for some reason, the entrance is just a curtain and ramp but still has 25% of the arena blocked off and they didn't bother with the tarps for all the empty areas besides the balcony. But the crowd is super hot so it seems more like when WCCW or Mid South would run a stadium/Super Dome with a small configuration instead of 5k in a 20k seat arena.

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« Reply #7686 on: July 06, 2019, 07:37:40 PM »
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« Reply #7687 on: July 06, 2019, 07:39:59 PM »
G1 special from Dallas

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first day of the G1 Climax tournament is in Dallas this year, it's airing on AXS, NJPW World, and various illegal sites as we speak

Lance Archer's new look is some bust ass Dog the Bounty Hunter shit :lol

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« Reply #7688 on: July 06, 2019, 07:44:52 PM »
EVIL and Bad Luck Fale, finally some bigger boys going at it :o

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« Reply #7689 on: July 06, 2019, 07:48:04 PM »
It's actually NOT airing on NJPW World. It won't get put on NJ World for a couple of days or something. Their business sense is fucking weird.

Opening night of the G1: Japanese fans can't watch it live, the most dedicated American (and from wherever else) can't watch it live unless they have cable and a high enough package to get AXS TV. Okada/Tanahashi, KENTA's return to Japanese wrestling, taped delayed for Japanese audiences. :lol

Never mind that they booked a 20K seat arena in Dallas where they had no demand and did no hype, yet booked an East Coast tour where they have a ton of demand in 1500 seat venues, including ECW arena and Hammerstein ball room (which ROH is having to tarp off the balcony for because their business is so bad without NJ).

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« Reply #7690 on: July 06, 2019, 07:51:12 PM »
oh lol, the stream i'm watching on says njpw world 24/7 so i just assumed. of course they would do some dumb delay shit like that :doge

wasn't the whole deal with the new guy in charge there that he would oversee some big usa expansion? doesn't seem to be doing well so far

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« Reply #7691 on: July 06, 2019, 07:53:51 PM »
Oh it's region blocked in the US for this event :lol  That's still fucking stupid but not as bad as if it wasn't airing for Japan until later.

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« Reply #7692 on: July 06, 2019, 08:01:41 PM »
Oh hey, I get AXS. Is this worth my time?
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« Reply #7693 on: July 06, 2019, 08:03:00 PM »
yeah it's pretty good so far

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« Reply #7694 on: July 06, 2019, 09:01:30 PM »
KENTA is back, but it's already past his prime and broken down KENTA from 2014 and not 2004-2012 KENTA :tocry


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« Reply #7695 on: July 06, 2019, 09:51:10 PM »
Tana/Okada brought it, Tanahashi still has some classics left in him :lawd

Kind of amazing how Okada/Tanahashi worked a US crowd much, much better than Ibushi (who has had 20 or so matches in the US in multiple companies in the past 2-3 years) and KENTA (who spent the last 5 years exclusively in the US). AEW saying their guys can't work in the US for NJ sucks, I bet Ambrose vs Okada in America would be crazy from a crowd reaction perspective right now.

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« Reply #7696 on: July 07, 2019, 08:02:33 AM »
:lol :lol :lol :lol at New Japan running an East Coast tour and going out of their way to make an announcement that ROH will NOT be involved in any of the shows so as to not hurt ticket sales with ROH stink.

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« Reply #7697 on: July 08, 2019, 12:44:07 AM »
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« Reply #7698 on: July 08, 2019, 09:24:42 PM »
If no one cared about the G1 show, I'm sure no one here gave a shit about TNA's Slammiversary, but it was a solid show, too. It was at last year's event where they reset and started some positive momentum for the first time in years. One thing is for sure: all of their best people will be gone soon. There is not a chance they're able to keep:

Brian Cage (who worked All In and had to be physically stopped from being on DON because there happened to be a TNA office guy there, I want to say he was at Fyter Fest as well)
Tessa Blanchard (who is so far beyond the other women TNA has that they're putting her in intergender matches in the main event of TV and PPV, was the featured woman of All In, and has a standing offer from WWE)
the Rascalz (who have an established relationship with PWG/Excalibur/Young Bucks and no doubt would have been in AEW if it was running when they signed with TNA)
LAX (who dropped the titles the night before the PPV and did an injury angle to end the match to write them off because they can't agree to new terms)
Killer Kross (who made the money issues public, publicly tried to get out of his contract and was written off TV but then agreed to do a match on this show, his girlfriend successfully got out of her contract over money issues)
Jordynn Grace (who made it clear she signed with TNA as a last resort as ROH is dogshit with women and WWE didn't have an interest, heavily featured in the All In battle royal, AEW desperately needs solid women talent in the ring, also actually worked for TNA for months without signing her contract because she didn't really want to get locked down with them)


Match of the night was Cage vs Elgin or Tessa vs Callihan. I don't care for intergender matches, but Tessa is so many levels above the women TNA has and is such a shining star (possibly the biggest star they have right now) that I don't know what else you can do with her besides book her with the men.

 


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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7701 on: July 09, 2019, 07:28:26 AM »
....but why

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« Reply #7702 on: July 09, 2019, 08:03:15 PM »
lmao i love that KO's story atm is just calling Dolph a repetitive bum :lol

Shane: My job is to protect the wrestlers. Also I keep trying to beat up Roman in 2v1 matches :trumps

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« Reply #7703 on: July 09, 2019, 08:06:11 PM »
Now KO talking shit about the McMahons supposedly not being the focus and Shane being on TV more than ever and naming every wrestler who hasn't been on TV in a month+. :lol

Of course now this is gonna lead to a Shane feud :fbm

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« Reply #7704 on: July 09, 2019, 08:14:56 PM »
Finn/Nak up first :o Where's Stro to shit on this vanilla midget?

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« Reply #7705 on: July 09, 2019, 08:21:29 PM »
You will NEVER catch me watching Raw or Smackdown dawg. But Finn/Nak had an NXT match and it was boring as hell, so I expect it to be extra trash on a random Smackdown.

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« Reply #7706 on: July 09, 2019, 08:25:45 PM »
Was pretty short. Nak kilt Finn with a super knee after a nice physical match. Much better than the NXT one

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« Reply #7707 on: July 09, 2019, 08:28:45 PM »
Contract signing! Big E Bischoff really making moves here


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« Reply #7708 on: July 09, 2019, 08:30:18 PM »
Shane has to feud with all the wrestlers he'd feud with, and all the wrestlers Vince would feud with at the same time since Vince is too old and Steph can't wrestle men. The burden of being the only son :stahp

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« Reply #7709 on: July 09, 2019, 08:34:33 PM »
You will NEVER catch me watching Raw or Smackdown dawg. But Finn/Nak had an NXT match and it was boring as hell, so I expect it to be extra trash on a random Smackdown.

Famous last words, especially coming from someone that watched like every episode of Thunder to make gifs.
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« Reply #7710 on: July 09, 2019, 08:36:00 PM »
Roman and Dolph in the main event, just what everyone wants!

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« Reply #7711 on: July 09, 2019, 08:38:20 PM »
Remember yesterday when I was complaining about only having Neil Breen movies to watch?

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« Reply #7712 on: July 09, 2019, 08:38:29 PM »
You will NEVER catch me watching Raw or Smackdown dawg. But Finn/Nak had an NXT match and it was boring as hell, so I expect it to be extra trash on a random Smackdown.

Famous last words, especially coming from someone that watched like every episode of Thunder to make gifs.


The only time I'll watch Raw/SD again is if it happens the night after a top talent or McMahon dies and they do a tribute show. I also didn't even finish giffing Thunder through 1998.

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« Reply #7713 on: July 09, 2019, 08:44:48 PM »
I dislike this Jericho song more every time I hear it. Also this goddamn stream is really playing complete garbage music during commercial >:( I'd rather see Frank Thomas and the Pete Zacharine Snickers commercials over and over

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« Reply #7714 on: July 09, 2019, 09:25:44 PM »
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« Reply #7715 on: July 10, 2019, 01:22:26 PM »
I think they're still in Japan?  Are they finally challenging for the forgotten tag titles this weekend or no?

https://twitter.com/WWEJapan/status/1148840846176870401

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« Reply #7716 on: July 10, 2019, 01:23:53 PM »
Didn't even realize that Extreme Rules is this weekend.  :lol  No hype.
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« Reply #7717 on: July 10, 2019, 01:26:31 PM »
Pretty sure there's more hype for the Evolve show on WWE Network than the WWE PPV on WWE Network

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« Reply #7718 on: July 10, 2019, 02:18:28 PM »
I kinda like that shirt they're wearing.

As far as Extreme Rule there's gonna be some stuff worth watching:

AJ/Ricochet
Aleister Black/Cesaro
Kofi/Joe
Smackdown 3-way Tag thing because of Heavy Machinery

however there's also gonna be that Undertaker/Roman vs Shane/Drew thing :yuck

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« Reply #7719 on: July 10, 2019, 02:26:48 PM »
That looks solid on paper :leon


Might watch those matches the next day if I hear good things but I haven't been able to watch even half of any of the events since WM, didn't watch anything of Stomping Grounds and don't even know what the card was for that :lol

How did they get from Miz vs Shane to Shane vs Roman? And how the fuck did Taker get involved?

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« Reply #7720 on: July 10, 2019, 02:29:53 PM »
Didn't even realize that Extreme Rules is this weekend.  :lol  No hype.

I looked at the WWE Web site to see the matches on for Sunday. The Undertaker and Roman Reigns are wrestling the boss' son and Drew McIntyre in the main event(?). What are you supposed to hype there, the possibility of two in-ring aneurysms?






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« Reply #7721 on: July 10, 2019, 02:53:03 PM »
How did they get from Miz vs Shane to Shane vs Roman? And how the fuck did Taker get involved?
The Shane and Roman beef is because of some fuckery at SuperSaudiShowdown with the Roman/Drew match (not sure what exactly, didn't watch). Then on a Raw, Shane (Smackdown star) and Drew (Smackdown star) were beating down Roman (Smackdown star) and Undertaker randomly appeared for unknown reasons and took them both out.

So in short: :idont
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« Reply #7722 on: July 10, 2019, 03:00:35 PM »
AEW's Fight for the Fallen is this weekend too. Lot of rasslin' incoming.
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« Reply #7723 on: July 10, 2019, 03:07:50 PM »
I looked at the WWE Web site to see the matches on for Sunday. The Undertaker and Roman Reigns are wrestling the boss' son and Drew McIntyre in the main event(?). What are you supposed to hype there, the possibility of two in-ring aneurysms?
main event is a hardcore mixed tag winner takes all match with seth/becky vs corbin/lacey. :zzz heyman yet again teasing a brock cash-in but w/e. outside of the matches i listed above the event sounds kinda lackluster.

Fight for the Fallen card is looking fine I guess



I dunno, I just am not a big fan of a lot of the folks AEW is gonna be pushing hard. Christopher Daniels is too old, I can't stand the YB, Cody is okay, Adam Page is wack, and lol at Brandi Rhodes wrestling.
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« Reply #7724 on: July 10, 2019, 03:23:50 PM »
Corbin/Lacey as a main event pairing is the most aggressive fuck you Vince has ever thrown out at his audience, imo

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« Reply #7725 on: July 10, 2019, 03:29:03 PM »
Yeah it's hard to top that main event in shit factor. Maybe Undertaker vs Undertaker or Mabel vs Diesel. :lol

Of course if it just ends up with a beatdown of Corbin/Lacey with sticks and chairs it could be pretty good.
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« Reply #7726 on: July 10, 2019, 04:39:28 PM »
Corbin/Lacey as a main event pairing is the most aggressive fuck you Vince has ever thrown out at his audience, imo

Corbin vs Dolph will headline the next one.
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« Reply #7727 on: July 11, 2019, 03:02:08 PM »
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« Reply #7729 on: July 11, 2019, 07:58:14 PM »
I, for some reason I can't explain, put on an episode of Raw during the Invasion. 6 days before Summerslam 2001.

The first 20+ minutes is Steve Austin brow beating and completely burying various Alliance members, including actually beating Tazz.  ???

The first match is about a half hour in with the commercial break, it lasts under 3 minutes and has outside interference on both sides. It's also WWF vs WWF  ???

There are multiple backstage segments with Alliance members looking to Austin for guidance and motivation and Austin obviously not knowing who they are. Everyone he motivates or brow beats gets their asses kicked by Kurt Angle at some point in the show.  :lol

Taker/Kane absolutely eviscerate Palumbo and O'Haire in a cage match to build how they're going to do exactly the same thing to Kanyon/DDP at Summerslam. And they do. Undertaker refuses to sell for ANY member of the Alliance that wasn't already a WWF guy for the entire duration of the angle. He actually went out of his way to make all of them look bad and specifically singled out Mike Awesome and basically ruined whatever career he could have had in WWE because he was the tallest guy from WCW and Taker didn't like how he worked. They worked with each other in 4 matches total, 2 weekends of house shows. He did the same thing to DDP and Kanyon as well.  :camby I think this was the last time Palumbo and O'Haire ever teamed again on TV beyond a 10 man tag the next week and I believe it was the last time either were on the main shows until being repackaged. I think O'Haire was actually off TV completely after the next week until the summer of 2002 when he started doing occasional matches on Heat. Palumbo gets moved to secondary and tertiary shows and gets fired from the Alliance shortly before Survivor Series or something, then starts teaming with Billy Gunn initially as a straight face team who then turned heel then turned gay then fake gay then faces then broke up and neither really did anything again  :o

Chris Jericho spends about 7 minutes making fun of Stephanie's boob job. It's literally middle school shit. He has an upcoming match with Rhyno but ignores him to say BOOBIES. Booker comes out, then Rock comes out, calls Shane (who isn't even out there) both a pussy and a motherfucker (neither are censored on Network, motherfucker was on TV I believe, Steph missed her cue on both to cut him off :lol ), then stops just short of calling Booker a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Jericho saying "boobies", literally, got a bigger pop than anything you've heard in years besides maybe Bryan at his absolute PEAK of YES Movement.  :juicy

Kurt Angle dominates RVD in a hardcore match, and also is able to beat the asses of Raven/Dreamer/Awesome in the same match, while allowing Jeff Hardy to swoop in and pin RVD for the hardcore title.  :mike

Rhyno/Booker defeat Jericho/Rock in the longest match of the night (which was under 9 minutes) due to interference from Shane AND Stephanie, as well as 4 refs being involved. Booker hits Rock with two Book Ends, one on a chair. On Smackdown, he does a full promo as The Book. Note, at this point his entire character is "that WCW guy who is jealous of The Rock", so they have him literally doing a Rock promo but saying The Book instead of The Rock. He then goes on to lose the WCW Championship at Summerslam to The Rock, do nothing but job for a month, then get put in a team with Test where he "feuded" with Kane and Taker (aka got to look like shit against Taker for 2 months).  :notlikethis



If you're one of those nerds that reads the Observer rewinds on Reddit, you'll know the Invasion was exactly the clusterfuck behind the scenes as it came off on TV. Plans changed from week to week (original plans were full brand split situation, with WCW getting Raw. TNN said nah, so it changed to a late night Saturday show, this never got approved either. Then they were going to wait  months to do anything. Then give WCW TV time and build interest for its own show. Then all plans were scrapped. Then they had Lance Storm start the invasion with no plans of what to do next. Then the ECW thing came about and they kept using ECW name and logo on TV despite now having the rights to do so and eventually had to stop but kept doing it off and off anyway because no one else was interested in buying ECW's assets :lol ) with no plans for where the angle would go or how it would end, it was just a show to show situation. Originally they thought WCW would be the faces, then the Booker/Buff match shit the bed and fans turned on the whole thing so they scrapped whatever little they had planned and added ECW.  One week Vince decided he didn't like most of the WCW guys and sent them to developmental, then decided there weren't enough stars/talent at all in the Alliance which led to all the WWF guys jumping. Once it was clear TNN had no interest in giving a time slot to WCW, there was no end game planned out for any of this, they just rode it until they couldn't any longer, then reset so they could do the brand split they had wanted to do a year earlier.

It's baffling Vince thought it was good to bury half of his roster every week on TV and expect them to not be damaged goods when the angle was over. Except he didn't have plans for the angle or when it was over, so he wasn't thinking or giving a shit that everyone in a WCW or ECW shirt besides RVD, Rhyno, and Dudleys (who had been now long established as WWE stars) looked like absolute jokes. Every single member of The Alliance had to be rehabbed, have a complete repackaging, or they just left to do nothing on Heat/Jakked. It took Booker a full year to almost get back to where he was at the end of WCW. RVD arguably never was as over again as he was in the summer/fall of 2001. Rhyno in a way lucked out by having to get neck surgery before the end of the angle so he missed getting completely berried and got to come back without any of the stink of it on him. DDP spent the entire time having his character assassinated, getting berried by Taker (and his wife), then getting a comedy gimmick and feuding over the lowest title WWE had at the time before retiring shortly after. This was after taking a large pay cut to get out of his Turner contract so he could go to the WWF. And he was the biggest star that came over.  :cornette

But what the real point of this long post is that all of the problems in current WWE can be traced to the Invasion. Immediately following the demise of WCW (and ECW), storylines stop mattering or making sense. The Invasion is a 6 month angle about WCW and ECW joining forces (despite ECW going way, way harder at WCW/Bischoff than WWE and Vince was giving Paul money and talent for years and even offered to send HHH to work some shows towards the end) to take down the WWF once and for all, but in actuality it's all about the McMahons and didn't have any of the true WCW stars, yet they still did the biggest non-WM PPV buy rate of all time. The buildings were still sold out. The crowds are still hot for everything, no matter how stupid (seriously, Chris Jericho acting like a 7th grader was more over than anything today). Vince was still being rewarded for putting out an incoherent, lazy ass product. And this went on for years and years and years. It took 20 fucking years for things to level out from the Attitude Era's spike. By that point Vince had long been set in his ways that he could put out lazy nonsense. Long promos that go nowhere, endless rematches (although the matches themselves were much, much shorter back then), angles and talent just being dropped from TV for no reason, guys getting berried for no reason. It's also wild how many people from this show 18 years ago are still around in prominent roles.

Paul Heyman: New creative head of Raw in 2019
Chris Jericho: Top star of AEW
JR: Voice of AEW
Stephanie McMahon: Still occasionally an on screen character, was a main character up until 2-3 years ago
William Regal: HHH's right hand man basically the second in command for the entire developmental system, on screen character for NXT
The Undertaker: Occasional on screen character, apparently to be featured more often in 2019
Kurt Angle: Regular on screen character until 3 months ago
RVD: Current talent for TNA
Rhyno: Current talent for TNA, just coming off an inexplicable 4 year WWE run
Tommy Dreamer: Current freelance talent for TNA, head of his own promotion, worked MLW and AEW this year as well
Jeff Hardy: Injured but current WWE talent
Lance Storm: Helping with TNA creative
Dudley Boyz: Bubba is headish of ROH creative, D-Von a high ranking backstage official for WWE
Michael Cole: Voice of WWE
Shane Helms: Has worked on screen and behind the scenes with TNA and ROH recently, currently an agent for WWE
Shane McMahon: All over Raw and Smackdown, currently feuding with seemingly the entire face roster
Charles Robinson: Still a WWE ref
Mike Chioda: Still a WWE ref



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« Reply #7730 on: July 11, 2019, 08:09:06 PM »
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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7731 on: July 11, 2019, 10:56:38 PM »

Chris Jericho spends about 7 minutes making fun of Stephanie's boob job. It's literally middle school shit. He has an upcoming match with Rhyno but ignores him to say BOOBIES. Booker comes out, then Rock comes out, calls Shane (who isn't even out there) both a pussy and a motherfucker (neither are censored on Network, motherfucker was on TV I believe, Steph missed her cue on both to cut him off :lol ), then stops just short of calling Booker a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Jericho saying "boobies", literally, got a bigger pop than anything you've heard in years besides maybe Bryan at his absolute PEAK of YES Movement.  :juicy


i rewatch this at least twice a month. love it.

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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7733 on: July 12, 2019, 08:55:48 AM »
joey janela vs enzo is the saddest feud ever, no one is a winner there.

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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7734 on: July 12, 2019, 12:01:51 PM »
I'll say this: NXT UK could really use Enzo right now :zzz

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« Reply #7735 on: July 12, 2019, 03:28:10 PM »
I'll say this: NXT UK could really use Enzo right now :zzz

They have the best heel in the business in Liverpool's Numba One, wtf do they need with that jackass???
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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7736 on: July 12, 2019, 06:57:40 PM »
How do they follow up Summerslam 2001? Glad you asked brehs.

New WCW Champion The Rock bringing out a midget Booker T, then getting interrupted by Lance Storm (who lost the IC title the night before) who challenges him for the title. Rock doesn't know who Lance is. Lance super kicks the midget. After Rock beats Lance in 3 minutes, the midget comes back to do the people's elbow. Later in the show, Booker destroys Tajiri to send a message to Rock, which is pretty weird as Tajiri had been booked extremely strong for a mid card guy and was way too over to be treated like such a geek.

Stone Cold leads an appreciation night for himself after retaining the WWF Championship via DQ against Kurt Angle. This leads to MILKOMANIA RUNNING WILD. As JR was solo on commentary for this due to Heyman being the MC, he took the time to berry every Alliance member that spoke.

A 12 man tag of mid carders doing nothing (Big Show/APA/Spike/Billy Gunn/Scotty 2 Hotty vs Dudleys/O'Haire/Palumbo/Hugh Morrus/Tommy Dreamer) but finisher spam for 5 minutes that had bigger reactions than any main event WWE can do today. This is the last time any of the Alliance guys besides the Dudleys wrestle on Raw for the rest of the angle.

DDP gets his ass beaten by Undertaker yet again, and is then pinned by Sara Taker. This is basically the end for DDP. He has 4 televised matches through Survivor Series and end of the Invasion. Note: That's a full 3 months. DDP is the biggest star to come over from WCW. They buried him from the start and then didn't even use him for the last half of the angle. He came in by allowing his contract with Turner to be bought out at 50 cents (possibly less) on the dollar, then took a much lower contract than what he had with WCW because he really wanted to be involved. He was immediately turned heel and took on a creepy pervert stalker gimmick, despite the absurdity of him being obsessed with Sara Taker when he was married to Kimberly. Literally every week after he gets his ass kicked by Taker and most weeks, Taker's Wife, sometimes Kane as well. Then to end it all Taker beats his ass at Summerslam, then does it again the next night on Raw and has his wife pin him. After that he has 2 squash matches against Big Show (one on a UK only PPV, one in 29 secs on Smackdown), a match on Heat with Edge, and the battle royal at Survivor Series, all of which are in November, so he was completely absent for September and October, and essentially November as well. You might remember I mentioned Palumbo and O'Haire being pulled from main shows after a Taker squash. After this show, they're now also gone for the last 3 months of the angle. Kanyon gets another two weeks before he loses the US title and is only on the weekend shows for the last 3 months.  Rhyno also is going to go down hurt and miss the last 2 months.

By the time they get to Survivor Series, the Alliance has: Steve Austin, Kurt Angle, Christian, Shane and Stephanie McMahon, William Regal, Test, Debra, Ivory, Terri having jumped from WWF. Guys already on the WWF roster before the angle started: Dudley Boys, Raven , Rhyno, Justin Credible, Tazz, Paul Heyman. Guys who debuted with the angle: RVD, Tommy Dreamer, Booker T, DDP, Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'Haire, Kidman, Kanyon, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, Hugh Morrus, Shawn Stasiak, Shane Helms, Buff Bagwell, Chavo Guerrero Jr. At some point both members of Kronik came in for I think two matches, and Steven Richards was their manager but they quit/fired right after a garbage match with Taker/Kane.

So, by the time the angle ended, these were the people who came in from ECW/WCW for the angle and were not already WWF talent who were still wrestling on Raw/SD: Booker T, RVD, Lance Storm, and oddly enough The Hurricane. That's it. Kidman vanished after the first few weeks and didn't come back until the last month or so, but only once or twice on main shows. Chavo popped up late into the angle but only on SD once I think. The rest of Alliance matches on TV were from guys who had been in WWE 3 months to 2 1/2 years before the angle started or were WWF guys before ECW/WCW even went out of business.



Also they turned WCW heel in ATLANTA and the WWF vanquished WCW once and for all at Survivor Series in THE GREENSBORO COLISEUM (aka JCP's hottest town and venue) :dead :dead :dead

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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7737 on: July 12, 2019, 10:35:19 PM »
Stone Cold leads an appreciation night for himself after retaining the WWF Championship via DQ against Kurt Angle. This leads to MILKOMANIA RUNNING WILD. As JR was solo on commentary for this due to Heyman being the MC, he took the time to berry every Alliance member that spoke.

That segment still comes up as one of the most "memorable" moments of Raw to this day.   :lol

A 12 man tag of mid carders doing nothing (Big Show/APA/Spike/Billy Gunn/Scotty 2 Hotty vs Dudleys/O'Haire/Palumbo/Hugh Morrus/Tommy Dreamer) but finisher spam for 5 minutes that had bigger reactions than any main event WWE can do today. This is the last time any of the Alliance guys besides the Dudleys wrestle on Raw for the rest of the angle.

DDP gets his ass beaten by Undertaker yet again, and is then pinned by Sara Taker. This is basically the end for DDP. He has 4 televised matches through Survivor Series and end of the Invasion. Note: That's a full 3 months. DDP is the biggest star to come over from WCW. They buried him from the start and then didn't even use him for the last half of the angle. He came in by allowing his contract with Turner to be bought out at 50 cents (possibly less) on the dollar, then took a much lower contract than what he had with WCW because he really wanted to be involved. He was immediately turned heel and took on a creepy pervert stalker gimmick, despite the absurdity of him being obsessed with Sara Taker when he was married to Kimberly. Literally every week after he gets his ass kicked by Taker and most weeks, Taker's Wife, sometimes Kane as well. Then to end it all Taker beats his ass at Summerslam, then does it again the next night on Raw and has his wife pin him. After that he has 2 squash matches against Big Show (one on a UK only PPV, one in 29 secs on Smackdown), a match on Heat with Edge, and the battle royal at Survivor Series, all of which are in November, so he was completely absent for September and October, and essentially November as well. You might remember I mentioned Palumbo and O'Haire being pulled from main shows after a Taker squash. After this show, they're now also gone for the last 3 months of the angle. Kanyon gets another two weeks before he loses the US title and is only on the weekend shows for the last 3 months.  Rhyno also is going to go down hurt and miss the last 2 months.

By the time they get to Survivor Series, the Alliance has: Steve Austin, Kurt Angle, Christian, Shane and Stephanie McMahon, William Regal, Test, Debra, Ivory, Terri having jumped from WWF. Guys already on the WWF roster before the angle started: Dudley Boys, Raven , Rhyno, Justin Credible, Tazz, Paul Heyman. Guys who debuted with the angle: RVD, Tommy Dreamer, Booker T, DDP, Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'Haire, Kidman, Kanyon, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, Hugh Morrus, Shawn Stasiak, Shane Helms, Buff Bagwell, Chavo Guerrero Jr. At some point both members of Kronik came in for I think two matches, and Steven Richards was their manager but they quit/fired right after a garbage match with Taker/Kane.

Holy shit.  It's almost depressing reading this.   :lol

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So, by the time the angle ended, these were the people who came in from ECW/WCW for the angle and were not already WWF talent who were still wrestling on Raw/SD: Booker T, RVD, Lance Storm, and oddly enough The Hurricane. That's it. Kidman vanished after the first few weeks and didn't come back until the last month or so, but only once or twice on main shows. Chavo popped up late into the angle but only on SD once I think. The rest of Alliance matches on TV were from guys who had been in WWE 3 months to 2 1/2 years before the angle started or were WWF guys before ECW/WCW even went out of business.

I remember naively thinking that this angle was going to be absolutely amazing when it was happening- started off really strong despite the obvious shit-seeds that I just didn't pay attention to at the time, I.E. Vince going onto the last Nitro and then who kayfabe buys it?  SHANE.  OK, could have still been fine.  But then ECW INVADES AND OH MAN HERE WE GO HYPE HYPE HEYMAN IS THE LEADER OH SHIIIIIII-- lol j/k it's Stephanie McMahon.  And it was all downhill from there.  Quickly turned into just WWE guys facing each other and bye-bye WCW and ECW names, now it's "The Alliance" and this storyline is all about Vince vs. his kids.  Again.  I also remember how cringe and awful a segment was of Stephanie telling an ailing Freddie Blassey that he was going to be dying soon or something like that.   :-\

If they had just waited longer, they could have had Hogan, Hall, Nash, Bischoff, and Flair among others.  Maybe Goldberg?  Can't remember if he didn't come in until 2003(?) because of his WCW contract.  But I don't get why they didn't just play the waiting game here.  They could have still used all the talent they acquired and just had various guys do sudden heel turns to form The Alliance and beat the shit out of anyone WWE.  Oh well.  Vince gonna Vince.
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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7738 on: July 13, 2019, 12:45:49 AM »
I was at the episode of RAW where ECW "invaded" during the invasion angle in 2001 at the Georgia Dome, back when episodes of RAW could draw tens of thousands of fans. It was fucking insane, man. Of course by the end of the show they ruined it by stapling Steph onto ECW as the owner and having them team up with Shane and the WCW jobbers against Vince and the WW(formerly known as)F.

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« Reply #7739 on: July 13, 2019, 09:13:12 AM »
Stone Cold leads an appreciation night for himself after retaining the WWF Championship via DQ against Kurt Angle. This leads to MILKOMANIA RUNNING WILD. As JR was solo on commentary for this due to Heyman being the MC, he took the time to berry every Alliance member that spoke.

That segment still comes up as one of the most "memorable" moments of Raw to this day.   :lol

A 12 man tag of mid carders doing nothing (Big Show/APA/Spike/Billy Gunn/Scotty 2 Hotty vs Dudleys/O'Haire/Palumbo/Hugh Morrus/Tommy Dreamer) but finisher spam for 5 minutes that had bigger reactions than any main event WWE can do today. This is the last time any of the Alliance guys besides the Dudleys wrestle on Raw for the rest of the angle.

DDP gets his ass beaten by Undertaker yet again, and is then pinned by Sara Taker. This is basically the end for DDP. He has 4 televised matches through Survivor Series and end of the Invasion. Note: That's a full 3 months. DDP is the biggest star to come over from WCW. They buried him from the start and then didn't even use him for the last half of the angle. He came in by allowing his contract with Turner to be bought out at 50 cents (possibly less) on the dollar, then took a much lower contract than what he had with WCW because he really wanted to be involved. He was immediately turned heel and took on a creepy pervert stalker gimmick, despite the absurdity of him being obsessed with Sara Taker when he was married to Kimberly. Literally every week after he gets his ass kicked by Taker and most weeks, Taker's Wife, sometimes Kane as well. Then to end it all Taker beats his ass at Summerslam, then does it again the next night on Raw and has his wife pin him. After that he has 2 squash matches against Big Show (one on a UK only PPV, one in 29 secs on Smackdown), a match on Heat with Edge, and the battle royal at Survivor Series, all of which are in November, so he was completely absent for September and October, and essentially November as well. You might remember I mentioned Palumbo and O'Haire being pulled from main shows after a Taker squash. After this show, they're now also gone for the last 3 months of the angle. Kanyon gets another two weeks before he loses the US title and is only on the weekend shows for the last 3 months.  Rhyno also is going to go down hurt and miss the last 2 months.

By the time they get to Survivor Series, the Alliance has: Steve Austin, Kurt Angle, Christian, Shane and Stephanie McMahon, William Regal, Test, Debra, Ivory, Terri having jumped from WWF. Guys already on the WWF roster before the angle started: Dudley Boys, Raven , Rhyno, Justin Credible, Tazz, Paul Heyman. Guys who debuted with the angle: RVD, Tommy Dreamer, Booker T, DDP, Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'Haire, Kidman, Kanyon, Lance Storm, Mike Awesome, Hugh Morrus, Shawn Stasiak, Shane Helms, Buff Bagwell, Chavo Guerrero Jr. At some point both members of Kronik came in for I think two matches, and Steven Richards was their manager but they quit/fired right after a garbage match with Taker/Kane.

Holy shit.  It's almost depressing reading this.   :lol

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So, by the time the angle ended, these were the people who came in from ECW/WCW for the angle and were not already WWF talent who were still wrestling on Raw/SD: Booker T, RVD, Lance Storm, and oddly enough The Hurricane. That's it. Kidman vanished after the first few weeks and didn't come back until the last month or so, but only once or twice on main shows. Chavo popped up late into the angle but only on SD once I think. The rest of Alliance matches on TV were from guys who had been in WWE 3 months to 2 1/2 years before the angle started or were WWF guys before ECW/WCW even went out of business.

I remember naively thinking that this angle was going to be absolutely amazing when it was happening- started off really strong despite the obvious shit-seeds that I just didn't pay attention to at the time, I.E. Vince going onto the last Nitro and then who kayfabe buys it?  SHANE.  OK, could have still been fine.  But then ECW INVADES AND OH MAN HERE WE GO HYPE HYPE HEYMAN IS THE LEADER OH SHIIIIIII-- lol j/k it's Stephanie McMahon.  And it was all downhill from there.  Quickly turned into just WWE guys facing each other and bye-bye WCW and ECW names, now it's "The Alliance" and this storyline is all about Vince vs. his kids.  Again.  I also remember how cringe and awful a segment was of Stephanie telling an ailing Freddie Blassey that he was going to be dying soon or something like that.   :-\

If they had just waited longer, they could have had Hogan, Hall, Nash, Bischoff, and Flair among others.  Maybe Goldberg?  Can't remember if he didn't come in until 2003(?) because of his WCW contract.  But I don't get why they didn't just play the waiting game here.  They could have still used all the talent they acquired and just had various guys do sudden heel turns to form The Alliance and beat the shit out of anyone WWE.  Oh well.  Vince gonna Vince.

Yeah all those guys (Scott Steiner as well) didn't come in for the Invasion because, unlike DDP who was a MARK for THIS BUSINESS and was punished for it as all marks ultimately are, they weren't about to give up the money they were getting from Turner to sit at home. WCW was a damn near worthless brand at the time Vince bought it, and definitely was worthless without any of the big stars that could have have all the big dream matches and do the brand split as planned in 2002. I can understand trying to strike while the iron was hot, but doing it without the names people cared about and then burying the shit out of the talent that did come over and the brand as a whole was about the worst possible way to do things.

Hindsight and all, but they really should have taken on the mid card WCW guys and integrated them in to WWF proper without an invasion angle and try to get them over, used the WCW video library to rehab the brand's image, and then when the big contracts ran out in 2002, bring in Hogan/Hall/Nash/Sting/Flair/Steiner/Goldberg (whose contract wasn't up until 2003 but still) to do the dream matches, then do WCW/WWF instead of Raw/Smackdown. Mix the rosters up a bit and let them run like they did with Raw and Smackdown. Ultimately the top WCW names were old and didn't have much to offer outside of a few big money dream matches, so the WCW brand would need a few established WWF top tier guys and a lot of good young talent. In the mean time before you had the brands up and running, you'd have a lot of those WCW guys getting a year of time in OVW/HWA getting much needed experience so by the time they did the split, they'd actually be ready for TV. Had they waited until 2002 they then would have had Eddie, HHH, and Benoit back, and Rey as well, along with the 2002 OVW class with Brock/Orton/Batista/Cena. 

But why do any of that when you can make all the WCW and ECW guys look like total geeks and be subservient to both McMahon kids and the top WWF guy and bury the WCW brand so deep it was never able to be used again for anything beyond a streaming service 14 years later.
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