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« Reply #7800 on: July 15, 2019, 10:34:26 PM »
R Truth gazed like a madman at that sweet Drake ass.

Was just about to post this  :lol :rofl
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« Reply #7801 on: July 15, 2019, 10:35:18 PM »
R Truth gazed like a madman at that sweet Drake ass.

Was just about to post this  :lol :rofl

I hope someone got a good gif or pic of that. :nugenix
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« Reply #7802 on: July 15, 2019, 10:39:36 PM »
i never liked charlotte much. but i didnt imagine the womens division would tank so much w/o her

they need sasha back bad too. give her the mega push.

https://twitter.com/The_WWE_Fan5/status/1150952647962300417
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« Reply #7804 on: July 15, 2019, 10:45:28 PM »
drakes wife though :lawd

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« Reply #7805 on: July 15, 2019, 10:56:35 PM »
Rollins is winning this, isn't he?  :(
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« Reply #7806 on: July 15, 2019, 10:57:22 PM »
Yeah. :zzz

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« Reply #7807 on: July 15, 2019, 11:15:01 PM »


Free ride ends next month. $50. Whew.

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« Reply #7808 on: July 16, 2019, 07:53:08 AM »
G1 Day 3 thoughts

Ospreay/Sanada was pretty good. Ospreay does so much dumb shit, though. And I'm not even  talking about dumb psychology or spots, just his facial reactions and body language to things are so cartoonish and stupid. Sanada is FINALLY showing a personality. He's been so stoic it was hard to get into his work often times, but hopefully he opens up during the rest of the G1 and can finally advance up the card and get that main event push in 2024.

Okada/ZSJ was about on par with most of the matches they've had, which are that cocaine octopus wrapping Okada up in 30 submissions a minute trying to avoid getting hit with the rainmaker. With some of the match results so far, I don't think an Okada win was guaranteed so when it was getting near the end crowd wasn't sure what was going to happen.

Evil/Ibushi was also interesting because Ibushi fucked up his ankle something fierce in Dallas and the match was based around that. I assume that's going to be a focus for all of Ibushi's matches going forward, will be hard to keep that super interesting for another 7 matches, though. It was good.

KENTA/Tanahashi :aah This was way better than Ibushi/KENTA, which I thought and hoped it would be. I would have preferred to have these guys have a match 7-8 years ago (maybe even 10-12), but this was about as good as they can do today I think and it was pretty rad. Physically, they're both old and busted. KENTA has this mix of Tanahashi and Shibata career paths where he was the ace of his company and held it together and kept it afloat in dark times like Tana, but then left when his company needed him the most and even worse than Shibata leaving to try MMA, KENTA left to do AMERICAN wrestling :scust When Shibata returned to NJPW, he wasn't welcomed in the locker room, especially by Tanahashi. They had legitimate SHEWT HEAT for many years, and when they finally put their issues behind them and Shibata was fully accepted in the locker room again, he has that incredible match with Okada and ends his career. Last year, it was a huge deal that Shibata was out supporting Tanahashi in the G1 Finals and celebrating with him. However, KENTA and Shibata have been close friends for 15 years after forming a tag team in 2005, and KENTA has been training with Shibata at the LA Dojo. So you have KENTA trying to prove that he still has it, Tanahashi trying to prove he still has it, former ace vs former ace, with Shibata stuck in the middle.

This was the best match it could be. Haven't seen Tana hit someone so hard since Shibata when he first came back. KENTA's swag is back and the whole match was him being the most disrespectful dickhead he possibly could be. :rejoice Since neither can go like they used to, this was a match about drama and all the story through lines converging instead of KENTA trying and failing to keep up with Ibushi. Instead of crazy athletic hard hitting sprints KENTA was known for in his prime, the KENTA in this year's G1 is just a dick head who grinds his opponents down by kicking the shit out of them. And it's great.

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« Reply #7809 on: July 16, 2019, 08:27:02 AM »
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Free ride ends next month. $50. Whew.

Nope!  They must be joking to be charging that much.
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« Reply #7810 on: July 16, 2019, 10:04:23 AM »
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Free ride ends next month. $50. Whew.

Nope!  They must be joking to be charging that much.

I would split it with a couple of people but no fuckin way I'm paying $50 solo
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« Reply #7811 on: July 16, 2019, 11:10:57 AM »
I think All In and DON were both $50

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« Reply #7812 on: July 16, 2019, 12:06:08 PM »
Will either find a stream or wait until it's over to 'rent' and watch, I guess.  They're not going to be able to compete with WWE if they can't find a way to offer a stream for something even close to ten bucks.
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« Reply #7813 on: July 16, 2019, 12:53:32 PM »
Double Talk Dave said DON did over 100k buys worldwide, about 70k in the US. I'm pretty sure it was at the same price point (for some reason, they push people to buy it on B/R Streaming instead of traditional PPV, but it's the same price point for both, so idk why anyone would be inclined to buy it on an app they have to download and pay extra for in the same way that UFC now puts their PPVs behind a streaming service subscription paywall seems really fucking stupid to me). They have their audience willing to pay that premium, I don't think that will last that long if their events aren't better than FF/FFTF.

Once they start TV is going to be interesting because I see a whole, whole lot of structural issues that I think TV is going to exacerbate and cause this thing to fall apart a lot quicker than expected. Lotta dudes burning bridges with this starting up thinking there's no way it wasn't going to last forever and they're getting that big money, but tbh each show I have less and less faith that they aren't going to implode on themselves within a year or two.
I do not think Cody/Bucks/Kenny doing their blatant RAH RAH WE'RE STARTING A REVOLUTION bullshit straight out of the ECW playbook can sustain itself in 2019 with billions of entertainment services, 30 different wrestling streaming services, the prices for everything, and the general audience being wise to that brainwashing attempted bullshit.  I also don't think that really works when you start your company with the backing of a billionaire and getting a TNT TV deal before you even run a single show really has the grass roots feel to it.
 Then again, smarks are the easiest fans to work so who knows.
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« Reply #7814 on: July 16, 2019, 12:58:53 PM »
the push to get people to buy on b/r is probably a warner request since they get a bigger % of those buys. at least getting the show on b/r lets you watch replays/vod.

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« Reply #7815 on: July 16, 2019, 05:03:17 PM »
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Free ride ends next month. $50. Whew.
lol paying for streams.
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« Reply #7816 on: July 16, 2019, 05:04:21 PM »
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« Reply #7817 on: July 16, 2019, 07:44:46 PM »
does he realize you usually put cocaine in the nose and not literally everywhere else around and on you?

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« Reply #7818 on: July 16, 2019, 07:50:49 PM »
How does he have the money to waste that much coke? I thought all the old pro wrestlers were poor?
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« Reply #7819 on: July 16, 2019, 08:07:57 PM »
I feel like Shane isn't on the level with this town hall thing :thinking

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« Reply #7820 on: July 16, 2019, 08:11:48 PM »
I see there's a good reason Buddy Murphy doesn't do promos :lol

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« Reply #7821 on: July 16, 2019, 08:16:11 PM »
lol Shane fucked up the stunner on the first try
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« Reply #7822 on: July 16, 2019, 08:31:02 PM »
G1 Night 4

Juice/Goto was pretty good but impossible to care about because Goto is Japanese Dolph Ziggler tier of never mattering and any time Juice starts getting hot he gets put on ice for 9-12 months for no apparent reason so all you can expect is some good matches but nothing will come from them.

Moxley/Cobb had no chemistry, Cobb is impressive in spurts and spots but I'm not impressed with him as a singles guy in general, and this was more interesting for the AEW vs ROH politics involved, and I'd say it really shows what NJ thinks of ROH when they won't even mention AEW on their shows yet still had the AEW run through the ROH guy with relative ease.

Ishii/White was Ishii working for 2, Jay White is the blandest mother fucker, literally interchangeable with any Bullet Club guy or even young lions.

I skip Taichi matches but loooooooooool at Naito losing to Yano AND Taichi. Gedo's gotta a plan, brehs  :neogaf It's hard to give a shit about Naito anymore, which is probably worse than whatever "I don't care about X" any example currently in WWE.

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« Reply #7823 on: July 16, 2019, 08:53:58 PM »
Bayley is so bad on the mic.
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« Reply #7824 on: July 16, 2019, 08:57:41 PM »
ember moon :lawd

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« Reply #7825 on: July 16, 2019, 09:10:13 PM »
Haha, I’m wondering if Bryan will show back up tonight. WWE advertised a career-redefining announcement from him, but now that they can’t string people along with promises of Brock cashing in anymore, they need a new carrot.
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« Reply #7826 on: July 16, 2019, 09:14:38 PM »
watch hes going to 205 live :birb

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« Reply #7827 on: July 16, 2019, 09:15:38 PM »
one night of bischoff in charge and we already got limp dick jokes :lol

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« Reply #7828 on: July 16, 2019, 09:25:52 PM »
I read something that Bischoff was supposed to start 2-3 weeks ago and it keeps getting pushed back and he hasn't even been at the shows at all and everyone is just :what wondering what the fuck they're supposed to do until then

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« Reply #7829 on: July 16, 2019, 09:27:35 PM »
on his podcast he said he wasn't taking over til after extreme rules cause he had to get all his shit handled before he moved to connecticut

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« Reply #7830 on: July 17, 2019, 11:13:57 AM »
on his podcast he said he wasn't taking over til after extreme rules cause he had to get all his shit handled before he moved to connecticut

Well the reports are he also wasn't involved at all in last night's show and unlike Heyman, hasn't offered any ideas or anything to anyone. Why the fuck is he moving to Connecticut for this? There's no way Heyman/Bischoff aren't canned by the end of the year, and surely he's not expected to be at Titan Towers during the week.

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« Reply #7831 on: July 17, 2019, 11:17:08 AM »
Well if he is gonna be the Fox liaison guy, probably easier for him to be in CT since Fox is in NYC and he can work with WWE people as well. At the very least it's easier than being two timezones away. That's my guess anyway.
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« Reply #7832 on: July 17, 2019, 11:28:22 AM »
I can't believe how creatively bankrupt they are that not only do they want a modern version of Austin vs McMahon with KO vs Shane, but they actually have KO doing the Stone Cold Stunner and flipping people off  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


That's Disney's LucasFilm's Star Wars tier creatively bankrupt. Wouldn't be surprised to see KO shave his head in the next month.

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« Reply #7833 on: July 17, 2019, 11:33:35 AM »
Everyone has been dropping middle fingers lately. Kofi, Seth, Becky, and now KO too. I guess they are just having everyone do it and see who gets the best reaction.

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« Reply #7834 on: July 17, 2019, 12:26:08 PM »
I read something that Bischoff was supposed to start 2-3 weeks ago and it keeps getting pushed back and he hasn't even been at the shows at all and everyone is just :what wondering what the fuck they're supposed to do until then

He can take his time. He’s probably been busy trying to do something absolutely Glen-tarded like sell Nash to Vince as a champ in 2019.
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« Reply #7835 on: July 17, 2019, 12:46:47 PM »
Everyone has been dropping middle fingers lately. Kofi, Seth, Becky, and now KO too. I guess they are just having everyone do it and see who gets the best reaction.

They blur it out on replays :lol
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« Reply #7836 on: July 17, 2019, 12:48:05 PM »
yeah i saw that, how ridiculous. :lol they have been keeping most of the swears in though, but yesterday big e said something that they bleeped live (even though it was scripted) :rofl

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« Reply #7837 on: July 17, 2019, 01:01:36 PM »
on his podcast he said he wasn't taking over til after extreme rules cause he had to get all his shit handled before he moved to connecticut

Well the reports are he also wasn't involved at all in last night's show and unlike Heyman, hasn't offered any ideas or anything to anyone. Why the fuck is he moving to Connecticut for this? There's no way Heyman/Bischoff aren't canned by the end of the year, and surely he's not expected to be at Titan Towers during the week.

Well if he is gonna be the Fox liaison guy, probably easier for him to be in CT since Fox is in NYC and he can work with WWE people as well. At the very least it's easier than being two timezones away. That's my guess anyway.

Bischoff is in a different position than Heyman- he hasn't been with the WWE (in creative) and will require more time to get into his role.  He was picked for this position because of the Fox deal (from his previous experience dealing with Turner) and also very much needs this as he declared bankruptcy recently.  It's probably going to take him a lot longer to start running things than Heyman has. 
:expert

Dirt sheets are also saying that HHH wasn't given either position "so he doesn't look bad if either one fucks up" in this new role.  :lol
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« Reply #7838 on: July 17, 2019, 01:14:16 PM »
Trips playing that long game, waiting for Vince to die or have a stroke and get put in a home

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« Reply #7839 on: July 17, 2019, 01:59:29 PM »
on his podcast he said he wasn't taking over til after extreme rules cause he had to get all his shit handled before he moved to connecticut

Well the reports are he also wasn't involved at all in last night's show and unlike Heyman, hasn't offered any ideas or anything to anyone. Why the fuck is he moving to Connecticut for this? There's no way Heyman/Bischoff aren't canned by the end of the year, and surely he's not expected to be at Titan Towers during the week.

Well if he is gonna be the Fox liaison guy, probably easier for him to be in CT since Fox is in NYC and he can work with WWE people as well. At the very least it's easier than being two timezones away. That's my guess anyway.

Bischoff is in a different position than Heyman- he hasn't been with the WWE (in creative) and will require more time to get into his role.  He was picked for this position because of the Fox deal (from his previous experience dealing with Turner) and also very much needs this as he declared bankruptcy recently.  It's probably going to take him a lot longer to start running things than Heyman has. 
:expert

Dirt sheets are also saying that HHH wasn't given either position "so he doesn't look bad if either one fucks up" in this new role.  :lol


What could go wrong with hiring the guy who after taking WCW to the top of the mountain in the industry was so poor at his job that he ran it out of business within 3 years (which ultimately tanked the entire industry in the US for about 15+ years, who post WCW is responsible for: Matrats (I don't think it ever made it to TV, maybe local Canadian channels? Regardless it was a big flop), Hulk Hogan's Celebrity Wrestling (cancelled after one season), Hulk Hogan's Micro Championship Wrestling (a midget wrestling company, didn't even finish the season), taking over TNA with Hulk Hogan and leaving it in such a bad state that it has since had at least 3 different owners, has switched at least 3 different increasingly smaller channels, and are currently in a state where they have sub 100k viewers a week on TV, get sub 1000 people for their biggest PPV of the year, and their most recent PPV had 1500 orders. On the non-wrestling side, he's been a producer for a bunch of shitty reality shows that were either cancelled after one season or mid season, sometimes one episode.

Ultimately he had a good period of about 2-3 years....over 20 years ago. Everything since has been an abject failure. Putting him in charge of anything in 2019 is literally asking for disaster.

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« Reply #7840 on: July 17, 2019, 02:16:08 PM »
did he produce that stone cold endurance challenge or w/e? that was surprisingly good for a reality/competition show.

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« Reply #7841 on: July 17, 2019, 02:17:33 PM »
No. If he had produced it, it wouldn't have had as many seasons as it had.

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« Reply #7842 on: July 17, 2019, 02:21:11 PM »
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« Reply #7843 on: July 17, 2019, 03:16:07 PM »
Bayley is so bad on the mic.

I remember she did a promotional on Raw Talk, and it was so awful Lita called it out. You know you are awful when Lita calls you out for doing a terrible monologue.

Also, Booker T stepped in and "fixed" Bayley's awful promo.



In conclusion, Dusty's promo class didn't help Bayley.

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« Reply #7844 on: July 17, 2019, 04:36:03 PM »
Bayley is so bad on the mic.

I remember she did a promotional on Raw Talk, and it was so awful Lita called it out. You know you are awful when Lita calls you out for doing a terrible monologue.

Also, Booker T stepped in and "fixed" Bayley's awful promo.



In conclusion, Dusty's promo class didn't help Bayley.

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Stick to hugs, Bayley.
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« Reply #7845 on: July 17, 2019, 09:51:18 PM »
Double Talk Dave said DON did over 100k buys worldwide, about 70k in the US. I'm pretty sure it was at the same price point (for some reason, they push people to buy it on B/R Streaming instead of traditional PPV, but it's the same price point for both, so idk why anyone would be inclined to buy it on an app they have to download and pay extra for in the same way that UFC now puts their PPVs behind a streaming service subscription paywall seems really fucking stupid to me). They have their audience willing to pay that premium, I don't think that will last that long if their events aren't better than FF/FFTF.

Once they start TV is going to be interesting because I see a whole, whole lot of structural issues that I think TV is going to exacerbate and cause this thing to fall apart a lot quicker than expected. Lotta dudes burning bridges with this starting up thinking there's no way it wasn't going to last forever and they're getting that big money, but tbh each show I have less and less faith that they aren't going to implode on themselves within a year or two.
I do not think Cody/Bucks/Kenny doing their blatant RAH RAH WE'RE STARTING A REVOLUTION bullshit straight out of the ECW playbook can sustain itself in 2019 with billions of entertainment services, 30 different wrestling streaming services, the prices for everything, and the general audience being wise to that brainwashing attempted bullshit.  I also don't think that really works when you start your company with the backing of a billionaire and getting a TNT TV deal before you even run a single show really has the grass roots feel to it.
 Then again, smarks are the easiest fans to work so who knows.

I don't know if AEW is going to argue that they're 'grass roots'. I think they would have bought an existing promotion like PGW or partner with Ring of Honor if they wanted that tie-in. They have a lot of guys who they signed from the various Indie promotions, and a bunch of guys who were spent some time in New Japan, and an active pipeline that can seemly be called when needed. AEW not needing exclusivity seems like an asset since it allows them the option to pick and choose who can wrestle on a given night without seeming to hold guys on a roster that seem to serve no purpose. The exclusivity will kick in when they're on TNT in October though.

Tony Khan did a 40 minute ish interview after the Jacksonville event and it seems they basically want to be WCW. A clear alternative (and number 2) to WWF/WWE. Khan kept on saying at how small and in decline WCW was in the last year before it went under, and that AEW has done better numbers already. It was pretty funny. I do agree there is a market for a mid to large wrestling promotion that can fill a 5K to 10K+ stadium every week, but like you said, who really knows if that's AEW. Lord knows that TNA couldn't fill that void.

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« Reply #7846 on: July 17, 2019, 10:21:06 PM »


Somebody uploaded All In, the preview AEW PPV from 2018.

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« Reply #7847 on: July 18, 2019, 07:53:02 AM »
Double Talk Dave said DON did over 100k buys worldwide, about 70k in the US. I'm pretty sure it was at the same price point (for some reason, they push people to buy it on B/R Streaming instead of traditional PPV, but it's the same price point for both, so idk why anyone would be inclined to buy it on an app they have to download and pay extra for in the same way that UFC now puts their PPVs behind a streaming service subscription paywall seems really fucking stupid to me). They have their audience willing to pay that premium, I don't think that will last that long if their events aren't better than FF/FFTF.

Once they start TV is going to be interesting because I see a whole, whole lot of structural issues that I think TV is going to exacerbate and cause this thing to fall apart a lot quicker than expected. Lotta dudes burning bridges with this starting up thinking there's no way it wasn't going to last forever and they're getting that big money, but tbh each show I have less and less faith that they aren't going to implode on themselves within a year or two.
I do not think Cody/Bucks/Kenny doing their blatant RAH RAH WE'RE STARTING A REVOLUTION bullshit straight out of the ECW playbook can sustain itself in 2019 with billions of entertainment services, 30 different wrestling streaming services, the prices for everything, and the general audience being wise to that brainwashing attempted bullshit.  I also don't think that really works when you start your company with the backing of a billionaire and getting a TNT TV deal before you even run a single show really has the grass roots feel to it.
 Then again, smarks are the easiest fans to work so who knows.

I don't know if AEW is going to argue that they're 'grass roots'. I think they would have bought an existing promotion like PGW or partner with Ring of Honor if they wanted that tie-in. They have a lot of guys who they signed from the various Indie promotions, and a bunch of guys who were spent some time in New Japan, and an active pipeline that can seemly be called when needed. AEW not needing exclusivity seems like an asset since it allows them the option to pick and choose who can wrestle on a given night without seeming to hold guys on a roster that seem to serve no purpose. The exclusivity will kick in when they're on TNT in October though.

Tony Khan did a 40 minute ish interview after the Jacksonville event and it seems they basically want to be WCW. A clear alternative (and number 2) to WWF/WWE. Khan kept on saying at how small and in decline WCW was in the last year before it went under, and that AEW has done better numbers already. It was pretty funny. I do agree there is a market for a mid to large wrestling promotion that can fill a 5K to 10K+ stadium every week, but like you said, who really knows if that's AEW. Lord knows that TNA couldn't fill that void.

There were times where I think TNA could have filled that void (not 10k+ arenas weekly, but 5000-7000 weekly and bigger venues for PPVs once or twice a year) but it was never run well enough to sustain any momentum it would gain. We'll never know since they waited to move out of the Impact Zone way, way, way too late for it to matter instead of striking while the iron was hot. At the same time, maybe it would have flopped and staying in Orlando is what kept them alive for so long.

I really think late 2006-mid 2008 they could have been pretty successful as a touring company. They had: Kurt Angle, Christian, Sting, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Rhino, Dudleys, Jeff Jarrett (on and off during this time) as well known stars. They had Joe who was I think unarguably the biggest star produced in US wrestling post WCW outside of the WWE banner, stalwarts like AJ and Daniels, a hot as hell heel group in LAX, they were offering a women's division with actual wrestling and women being treated like athletes (sometimes), hot mid card faces like Eric Young, Jay Lethal, Motor City Machine Guns, hot mid card heels like James Storm and Robert Roode. As always it's one step forward two steps back for TNA so they might have gone out of business if they went on the road at that time, who knows.

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« Reply #7848 on: July 18, 2019, 12:12:21 PM »
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Eric Bischoff was not at Raw or Smackdown this week. He actually started at work on 7/17. He ended up having no influence on Smackdown this past week and right now those in creative were told that he will most likely not be involved with the creative process and that it looks like his job will be to interface with all of the departments in the company as well as with FOX. However he is to be the leader of the Smackdown side of things, which currently has no leadership, just Ryan Ward and others pitching ideas to Vince.


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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7849 on: July 18, 2019, 01:46:44 PM »
Bischoff needed money after declaring bankruptcy and probably went to Vince and asked "how much money will you give me to keep me away from AEW"
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« Reply #7850 on: July 19, 2019, 04:01:20 PM »
Watching NXT and they added Samuel Shaw from TNA but now he's Dexter Lumis. :-\ So he went from a dude who's character was like Dexter and had the Drive song as a theme to looking like the gay porn version of the dude from Drive and being named Dexter. :lol

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« Reply #7851 on: July 19, 2019, 04:05:38 PM »
Some of the guys HHH signs to NXT....why does he keep hiring Bischoff/Hogan era shits? I'm expecting Crimson anytime now.

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« Reply #7852 on: July 19, 2019, 10:39:28 PM »
G1 Nights 5 and 6


KENTA vs Lance Archer: Should have been a triumphant return to Korakuen for Kenta, instead the crowd was more into Archer. Kind of surprising but kind of not since Archer constantly plays to the crowd and there aren't many American style big men working in Japan in 2019. Pretty solid match, the most logical story of KENTA chopping Archer down with kicks and winning with the LeBell Lock, which to my knowledge is the first time he's done it since leaving NOAH in 2014.

Evil vs Sanada: Liked that they didn't fuck around with partners not wanting to go at it and just immediately went to war. Sanada was finally opening up and showing some personality in his last block match, but that was missing from this match and in general it felt very choreographed. Maybe planned out is a better term. It didn't feel natural, which is something I find pretty common to both guys and was an issue I had in their previous G1 match.

Zack Sabre Jr. vs Hiroshi Tanahashi: I'm very pleased to see Tanahashi moving so much better than he was earlier in the year. He looked awful from after WK until...I guess the Dallas show. I really thought the Ace's time was up, but the Ace is forever. GO ACE. Tana isn't known for being a particularly great technical guy, so seeing him play along with ZSJ's wacky cocaine octopus bullshit was pretty fun.

Kota Ibushi vs Will Ospreay: Man, I don't know what the fuck is wrong with these guys. Ibushi has what would appear to be a 3rd degree ankle sprain and of course isn't taking any time off, and not only not taking time off but doing a "hey just throw me on the guard rail as recklessly as you can ankle first it will be cool". I myself suffered an ankle injury that isn't fully healed I think 2 months on now and will still make me feel like I broke my foot off if I tweak it wrong. He's just going to have everyone twist and stomp on it for another 3 weeks. And Ospreay....he's always hurt, never takes time off, has been working with a neck issue for 2 years at the age of 26, clipped his head on the apron doing a space flying tiger drop in Dallas and fucked his neck up further, almost got pulled from the match (and to get pulled for an injury in Japan means you're really fucked)....has Ibushi drop him on his head at least 5 times. Oh, and that crazy elbow Ospreay does that legit concussed the fuck out of Ibushi at Wrestle Kingdom? They did it again and it was even harder, except it was to the front of the head instead of back this time. These guys are going to be so fucked when they get older.

Juice Robinson vs Jeff Cobb: Surprisingly hot, mostly because of Juice being really over, especially with women. Unlike the Cobb/Ishii match, this didn't go 10 minutes longer than it needed to so Cobb wasn't completely gassed by the end. It's hard to care too much seeing how Juice has been booked repeatedly to get a bunch of momentum and seem like he's going to break out only to get put on ice for a year for no reason. English commentary keeps pointing out his new attitude and focus but I can't see it going anywhere beyond another US Championship or NEVER Championship match/reign. Honestly I'm not sure Cobb ever even gets to that point. I just don't think NJ sees much in him, and tbh I don't either after his weight gain that has severely hampered his cardio. He's the only ROH guy booked in this and they had the AEW (which they not only don't have a relationship with but have a mandate to not mention on commentary) guy run through him.

Tetsuya Naito vs Hirooki Goto: Man, Gedo has broken me because I no longer give a shit about Naito at all and I'm actually pretty close to the point of just not watching his matches anymore. Gedo has made it clear he either doesn't think Naito is a top guy, thinks it doesn't matter how he books him because he's so popular regardless, or thinks he can really stretch this story out another 2-3 years. Whichever option is closest to the truth, it's made Naito matches and stories impossible to get invested in because they never matter. And Goto...well fuck, he's been getting raw dawged for 7 years now. No one remembers because it was before NJPW's popularity really picked up again, but before Okada came back from excursion and got the rocket push, Goto was the heir apparent. Instead he's been a dork who loses every big match for almost a decade now. And every time he has an angle where they're like, "No really, this time he's serious, this is do or die", he dies. The last time he went full Hakushi, still got smashed by Okada, joined Okada's stable after, and has Okada smashing him in his own entrance video :dead So what I'm saying is, it doesn't matter how good this match was or wasn't, I can't give a shit about what either guy is doing, which is a sad state and testament to NJ's booking at times being as shitty as WWE's.

Jon Moxley vs Tomohiro Ishii: :aah Dean's NJ run has made me realize he was mentally checked out for YEARS in WWE. I'd say he might have checked out as early as 3-4 months into his solo run post Shield break up. That's the last time I remember him putting effort into making his kicks and elbows and dives connect. This perhaps wasn't a 5 star affair, but it was a lot of fun with brawling around the building, lots of slug fest spots, ISHII doing a diving splash to the floor through a table, and general violence. Moxley has been booked super strong in NJ and it's kind of weird because he's not planning on working NJ during his off time once AEW TV starts, so I wonder where his run/title reign is going. Any loses a champion has during the G1 leads to an automatic title shot, and at this point he's undefeated with Naito being the only guy I can see getting a win over him at this point.

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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7854 on: July 19, 2019, 11:39:17 PM »
the nigerian prince :money
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« Reply #7855 on: July 20, 2019, 03:55:50 PM »
G1 Day 7

Hiroshi Tanahashi vs Lance Archer: Archer again gets cheered as much or more in Korakuen than his opponent :lol It's a shame he's probably going to be right back in shitty filler Suzuki-gun 6 mans after this, he's been a lot of fun and raised his stock tremendously. He's not a 5 star guy or anything, he just keeps having really solid, fun matches with everyone. I doubt he even gets a US/NEVER title shot coming out of this. The ACE having fun out there :aah

Evil vs KENTA: Kenta really finding his groove. This disrespect in this match :ahh

Sanada vs Kota Ibushi: I like Ibushi being forced to work restrained and methodical. I'd like for this to become his full time style after his injury heals. This was much better than Sanada/Evil. Crowd hoping for an upset in all these matches :aah

Kazuchika Okada vs Will Ospreay: This was pretty good even if you don't like Ospreay. If you do like Okada's super intricate sequences, you'll really like this this, as there are multiple spots that are crazy even for him, especially the ending stretch which if written down would probably be 100+ steps.

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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7856 on: July 20, 2019, 04:19:46 PM »
I need to start watching G1 don't I.
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« Reply #7857 on: July 20, 2019, 04:26:18 PM »
It becomes unwieldy to let it go too long without starting. I skip Fale/Jay White/Taichi/Yano and all the tag matches and still feel like I've watched 24 shows.

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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7858 on: July 22, 2019, 08:09:19 PM »
Raw Reunion starts with rapping Cena and then dancing Rikishi. I guess that's not too surprising.

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Re: Pro Wrasslin' Thread: When It Reigns, It Bores
« Reply #7859 on: July 22, 2019, 08:11:24 PM »
A Dudley? They couldn’t even get both?
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