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[Don Flamenco]

whose to say they wont use the vita type carts with flash memory 

I think they're gonna use something like laserdiscs, but smaller and with higher capacity. 

[Great Rumbler]

[Purple Filth]

Seems like something they should be able to do through Gaikai, too.  Oh well.

its sound like thats the plan but....eventually 

[Shaka Khan]

This BC situation is really fishy. I mean I can understand the lack of native BC and maybe how retail games must be repurchased to be streamed (on a drunk day). PSN games should be affected by the architectural change/hardware gut-swap just the same, but pretending there's no way to verify the purchases and stream them for free? Get the fuck out of here. That would not only surprise me but prevent me from migrating early.

[cool breeze]

No BC is the biggest bummer to come out of this.  It was always a long shot but still.  At this point I'm fairly certain I'll end up with a second PS3, when one of those slim ones drops low enough.  It's enough to make me question a PS4 launch purchase, although I'm impressed with other aspects of the system.  This is unless PS4 comes out with the most amazing launch lineup, including crossgen versions of every PS3/360 game.  Because BC is pretty important in those first few months when there's not much else going on with the system.

Maybe it's a little dramatic to say that I lost a whole a lot of interest in The Last of Us, or at least buying it full price.  It, in a way, lowers the value of games for me.  Same reasons why I refrain from buying anything on Nintendo's online services.

"No native BC, but we're working on a solution" 

done

It's never going to happen...

Vita didn't play most PSP games or PS1 games at launch either!

who am I kidding  :'(
 

[maxy]

Younger Kaz

I think you’re doing the consumers and the gamers a huge disservice, when you come out with a new console only to say, it only plays PlayStation 3 games

[MCD]

Can I steal that, maxy-kun?

[Shaka Khan]

I'm excited about the RAM bump just as much as the next guy (assuming he's not a ninthing) but the way all the kids are running around and bringing it up at every turn is pretty laughable. It's like when everyone used to answer with
"CELL" to every question. It's officially a meme.

[Joe Molotov]

Kaz is at your disservice!

[maxy]

Can I steal that, maxy-kun?

Steal,somebody posted it on gaf anyway.

[MCD]

oh

[cool breeze]

anyone read up on the whole self-publishing thing? people are saying that's the take away from The Witness (Blow's game).  otherwise, it's coming to PC and iOS the same day as the PS4, and that's unremarkable.

I'm excited about the RAM bump just as much as the next guy (assuming he's not a ninthing) but the way all the kids are running around and bringing it at every turn is pretty laughable. It's like when everyone used to answer with
"CELL" to every question.

I don't think most people know what it means.  8 gigs GDDR5 might as well be Blast Processing.

[Shaka Khan]

Yup.

[hampster]

So is GAF over the Kaz bullshit yet? I want to see some Mark Cerny gifs. Looking at his page on wikipedia... my god

Marble Madness, Sonic the Hedgehog 2, Spyro the fucking awesome Dragon... The man is like my favorite guy in the industry and I didn't even know it

[cool breeze]

[ManaByte]

whose to say they wont use the vita type carts with flash memory 

Sony does you fucking dumbass:
http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/release/pdf/130221a_e.pdf

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I know what 8GB of GDRR5 means.  It means its going to be expensive as fuck.

I think this all but guarantees that Sony will follow the Apple/MS route of offering the hardware at a lower price along with a 2 or 3 year contract for their premium service.  I'm guessing $400 minimum with a 3 year agreement.

[treythemovie]

Can't wait to see Xfags assume the position of Nfags, arguing power/graphics don't mean anything. I can see it now. Maybe they'll buy WiiUs too to complete the gender transition.

Yeah, this is probably the most disappointing thing about the upcoming console warz. The usually quiet xbox fanboys (quiet because their team was "winning") are about to go off the deep end. 

Well at least now it'll be easy to identify them again.

[maxy]

If MS really would have to change the mobo for faster ram then oops.

Then again maybe a stronger GPU/CPU could alleviate some of this?

Sony really impressed me with the simple PC design of things.

If leaks are correct 720 has something else besides DDR3 inside(see 360).Besides there are ways around bandwidth problems,ever wondered why Killzone 2 is rendering particle buffers,post-process shit at 360p?

[ManaByte]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/think-the-ps4-wil-be-best-friends-with-used-games-not-so-fast

Another reporter asked again: Used games will work on PS4, correct?

“We have to really name our system and services for that, to be able to explain more about it,” Yoshida told the room.

Translation: Want to play a used game you bought at Gamestop? Sign up for PS Plus or buy a "used game pass".

[Don Flamenco]

(Image removed from quote.)

That part was so terrible.   A game where you have super powers that allow you to fuck around in a city did not need that kind of a "deeply personal," contextualized introduction. 

One of the problems with the image of gaming is that people think the people who play games really think like this. 

[Don Flamenco]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/think-the-ps4-wil-be-best-friends-with-used-games-not-so-fast

Another reporter asked again: Used games will work on PS4, correct?

“We have to really name our system and services for that, to be able to explain more about it,” Yoshida told the room.

Translation: Want to play a used game you bought at Gamestop? Sign up for PS Plus or buy a "used game pass".

so it officially begins then 

interesting, very interesting. 

Maybe MS and Sony are angling to see if the other has already pulled the trigger so they can react accordingly.

[maxy]

I have a pretty good idea what will happen regarding used games,won't share it though...If i'm right I will just pat myself on the back

Will just say this,

Consumer gets fucked in the long run.

[pilonv1]

It's truly amazing that Sony is actually gonna deliver a product that people wished for.

I'd post that PS3 LIE WATCH from UK Resistance if I could find the image

[Don Flamenco]

I have a pretty good idea what will happen regarding used games,won't share it though...If i'm right I will just pat myself on the back

Will just say this,

Consumer gets fucked in the long run.

why would you not share your idea?

[Human Snorenado]

Isn't it pretty obvious that Sony is going the "Thank you for playing the first five minutes of [game x], if you would like to play more please input your validation code now or visit the PSN store to purchase one" and MS is going the "always on" route?

[D3RANG3D]

Bullshots :/

[hampster]

My internet barely handles all these gifs, how am I supposed to stream stuff

[Don Flamenco]

1.  Trailer with a HUD on top
2.  Killzone sux
3.  See 1
4.  PC version does look good
5.  See 2
6.  Is for people who like cars the way pedophiles love children they've captured
7.  I can't even tell what the fuck is happening but that's a pretty average looking PS3 game
8.  See 1
9.  See 2
10. See 1



Borys annhilated

PS4

[maxy]

I have a pretty good idea what will happen regarding used games,won't share it though...If i'm right I will just pat myself on the back

Will just say this,

Consumer gets fucked in the long run.

why would you not share your idea?

NDA

Because I'm interested to see how people will react if it turns out true?

[demi]

I have a pretty good idea what will happen regarding used games,won't share it though...If i'm right I will just pat myself on the back

Will just say this,

Consumer gets fucked in the long run.

Maxy don't be a pussy. Put it up, little one.

[cool breeze]

so, what people are claiming:
-Killzone was on lower than spec hardware.  1080p/30fps
-Infamous was in-engine
-Capcom's thing was in-engine
-Watch_Dogs was running on PC
-real time Unreal Engine 4 demo is lower quality than what Unreal showed last E3

and that PS4 camera is pretty small compared to the BBK.  Only about 7 inches long and an inch high.  Still, would rather it not be required.

also, 17-bit is on the developer list.  Break those NDAs!

[Cerveza mas fina]

This is pretty much what I expected from next gen graphic fidelity.

I especially can't wait for Deep Down

[Purple Filth]

I have a pretty good idea what will happen regarding used games,won't share it though...If i'm right I will just pat myself on the back

Will just say this,

Consumer gets fucked in the long run.

No fucking shit.

Now youre sounding like those GAF 'sources' tards. Just spit it out so it can be immortalized (demi?)on here and if it happens you get your props instead of saying you "knew all along" after the fact.

[pilonv1]

Here we go

[Shaka Khan]

Random thoughts and observations:

- Capcom thing looked in-engine CG with everything amped up.
- Watch_Dog was running on a PC with "comparative specs to the PS4" but I wonder if that was before or after they were made aware of the memory bump.
- Drive Club is such a wasted opportunity; the rumors leading up to the announcement made it sound like PGR, but the actual presentation was full of wankery and more emphasis on the "experience" rather than playability. File it under another early game that fell victim for PR stunts.
- Mm game... Fuck that shit. I'm more convinced than ever that these guys are too obsessed with "creating" rather than creating actual games.
- Knack. What a stupid note to start the conference with. It looks like a physics demo that got expanded into a game. It's going to end up as a forgettable, overpriced, meager experience.

Specs aside, watch Durango's reveals involving more entertainment and social features (that I might actually care about), reveal of nextgen COD and AssCreed, and announcement of GTA5 next-gen exclusivity... Gamers and journos jizz everywhere.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Ive seen xbots downplaying 8gb ddr5 as no biggie cause it won't help with anything.

 

Specs aside, watch Durango's reveals involving more entertainment and social features (that I might actually care about), reveal of nextgen COD and AssCreed, and announcement of GTA5 next-gen exclusivity... Gamers and journos jizz everywhere.

But will it match PS4 hardware. Probably most relevant question since this will determine who has better 3rd party games.

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

I keep thinking about Fallout 4 that looks as good as Deep Down....... 

Whoever makes that gets my money.

[ManaByte]

Watch Dogs looked the worst of the bunch. Yet another bland UbiSoft launch title everyone will forget about in a year.

[Cerveza mas fina]

I can see that happening, it will be another Ass Creed 1.

[ManaByte]

Assassin's Creed had a bad ass assassin with hidden blades killing people.

Watch Dog has a guy with a trench coat and a cellphone.

[Shaka Khan]

But will it match PS4 hardware. Probably most relevant question since this will determine who has better 3rd party games.

Specs will be the last factor determining quality of 3rd party games, breh. It's all about 3rd party relations, which MS enjoys it more than anyone else.

[Cerveza mas fina]

You know who enjoys 3rd party relations? Those that sell more games on their hardware. Every gen that's up for grabs.

MS cant get a foothold in Japan never, it won't gain anything in Europe either if it focusses on media.

[Himu]

Assassin's Creed had a bad ass assassin with hidden blades killing people.

Watch Dog has a guy with a trench coat and a cellphone.

A cell phone that slows down time and causes electrical discharges.

You fucking idiot.

[Himu]

You know who enjoys 3rd party relations? Those that sell more games on their hardware. Every gen that's up for grabs.

MS cant get a foothold in Japan never, it won't gain anything in Europe either if it focusses on media.

MS can get a foothold in Japan. The problem with 360 was their advertising. If they don't name the new console xbox and cater it to Japanese people it could work.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Himuro that will never happen.

They can't even market the thing in Europe normally beyond the UK. The 360 is a English speaking world console.

[Shaka Khan]

You know who enjoys 3rd party relations? Those that sell more games on their hardware. Every gen that's up for grabs.

MS cant get a foothold in Japan never, it won't gain anything in Europe either if it focusses on media.

But can't we safely assume that since Western developers enjoyed a higher success on the 360 they're willing to warm up to/bet on MS' pitch, at least initially? Barring MS stumbling as badly as the PS3 at the beginning of this generation, I can't see those attitudes changing too drastically. I say western 3rd party because they overall struggled less than their Japanese counterparts (with both output volume and sales), shitty and toxic as the whole industry was.

[Don Flamenco]

1080p Dragon's Dogmatic Souls 2 trailer. 


I'm getting some weird Assassin's Creed vibe.  What's with the interstitial text being all modern looking?   The thing at the end with Blanka and the helicopter sound?   

[Himu]

We are talking about the 720, not the 360.

[Great Rumbler]

What's with the interstitial text being all modern looking?   The thing at the end with Blanka and the helicopter sound?   

A desperate appeal to the COD crowd.

[Don Flamenco]

We are talking about the 720, not the 360.

They tried hard with the 360.  I felt like we were constantly seeing "look how hard we're trying with Japan" shit all up to the launch.

[Himu]

We are talking about the 720, not the 360.

They tried hard with the 360.  I felt like we were constantly seeing "look how hard we're trying with Japan" shit all up to the launch.

Yes, and they went about it the wrong way too.

[maxy]

http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/21/yoshida-used-games-caveat/

Sony head of Worldwide Studios Shuhei Yoshida is a gregarious, smart, talkative interviewee. And that's exactly why it was so weird that he fully waffled when we asked him to address whether or not the newly unveiled PlayStation 4 will play used games. "That's my expectation, that PS4 games will work on [the] hardware. That's my expectation," he told us in an interview this morning. When we pushed to clarify what he meant, Yoshida stuttered. "Ummm ... yeah. We have to really name our system services to explain more about it," he added.

[Don Flamenco]

We are talking about the 720, not the 360.

They tried hard with the 360.  I felt like we were constantly seeing "look how hard we're trying with Japan" shit all up to the launch.

Yes, and they went about it the wrong way too.

*10 minutes of crickets*


OK SO WHATS THE RIGHT WAY HIMUMU


they have to go back in time and be a Japanese company.  Or accidentally hit on some dumb gimmick that Japan goes fucksticks over.

[Himu]

We are talking about the 720, not the 360.

They tried hard with the 360.  I felt like we were constantly seeing "look how hard we're trying with Japan" shit all up to the launch.

Yes, and they went about it the wrong way too.

*10 minutes of crickets*


OK SO WHATS THE RIGHT WAY HIMUMU


they have to go back in time and be a Japanese company.  Or accidentally hit on some dumb gimmick that Japan goes fucksticks over.

look at the ad yourself.

This is how they targeted Japan with the 360:



 

[cool breeze]

anyone know if gaikai can stream at 1080p?

if Sony is selling the dream of playing games instantly, that means initially streaming, then switching to local play, right? I know Onlive is 720p 30fps with bad compression and lag.  Wii U has bad compressing artifacts on the gamepad and that's locally streamed.  I sort of understand the appeal of instantly playing, but I'd rather just wait than play a gimped version of the game.



and here is Killzone 4 gameplay that's supposedly played differently than last night; proves it's not all smoke and mirrors or something.  It's too boring to sit through twice to confirm it.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Himu how can MS sell in Japan if they even struggle in Europe?

[Great Rumbler]

This is how they targeted Japan with the 360:



 

They showed exactly two games in that 2-minute commercial and one of them was Gears of War.

[Cerveza mas fina]

anyone know if gaikai can stream at 1080p?

if Sony is selling the dream of playing games instantly, that means initially streaming, then switching to local play, right? I know Onlive is 720p 30fps with bad compression and lag.  Wii U has bad compressing artifacts on the gamepad and that's locally streamed.  I sort of understand the appeal of instantly playing, but I'd rather just wait than play a gimped version of the game.



and here is Killzone 4 gameplay that's supposedly played differently than last night; proves it's not all smoke and mirrors or something.  It's too boring to sit through twice to confirm it.

The play instantly is for downloadable games fyi, not streaming 1080 games.

[Himu]

Himu how can MS sell in Japan if they even struggle in Europe?

We have established that Europe is Sony-biased due to them being the only competent company in EU land. I may be wrong on this, but Japan has no Sony bias and the only reason they went with ps3 as the hd console of their choice is because of the 360's failure to capture the Japanese market. If MS targets Japan with a modicum of competence, rather than...what I posted above, they may have a chance if the Japanese developers bother putting their games on the new xbox. MS worked hard in Japan, yes. But they worked hard without proper research and went in blind. Marketing Gears of War in Japan is straight up baka.