Eh I don't see the problem with hitting your kids. Call it abuse fine, but no I don't see it. Sometimes a kid needs to be smacked. Yes, I hate to use the old excuse, but no I did not come out a violent fuck, nor do I know anyone else who did. How else are you supposed to punish kids? Take their stuff away? Time out? It's all pretty useless, because even as a kid I knew those things were temporary, I was going to get that shit back or be un-grounded pretty soon anyway. The most effective things were physical punishment. Not just getting hit, but also not being feed and whatnot. Well whatever, I know this opinion is incorrect these days, but I don't see the problem and I never will. Now around my nieces I don't like to slap them crazy or go after them with a built, but yes sometimes they need to be hit on their behind or something to get them to listen.