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« Reply #12360 on: September 16, 2022, 03:15:56 AM »
I'm not a cultured elite, what's the deal with that giant wineglass on the near table?

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« Reply #12361 on: September 16, 2022, 03:43:24 AM »
https://twitter.com/JayinKyiv/status/1570672604037648384

Putin literally sending his criminals, rapists, drug dealers and I assume some good people

https://twitter.com/SaadAbedine/status/1570634002889048072
Y tho
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« Reply #12363 on: September 16, 2022, 08:43:44 AM »
I'm not a cultured elite, what's the deal with that giant wineglass on the near table?

That's of course the pee jar

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« Reply #12365 on: September 16, 2022, 11:10:25 AM »
Mass Grave Site With 440 Bodies Found in Izium
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« Reply #12366 on: September 16, 2022, 01:30:40 PM »
Mass Grave Site With 440 Bodies Found in Izium
(NYT)
Yeah the shit they're finding is bleak. Torture chambers, mass graves. The Russians pretty much implement the same fucked up 'security policies' as they do in their own country.
Putin says that the slow pace is because of contractors but they will continue regardless.

https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1570808994377396224

https://twitter.com/IranIntl_En/status/1570816303681753088
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« Reply #12367 on: September 16, 2022, 05:22:48 PM »
https://twitter.com/EndGameWW3/status/1570863462443778048

https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1570846486912729091

Putin can act like his nose bleeds but the fact is that his empire is falling apart at the borders and there's little he can do to stop it.

On state TV they can't stop talking about the one black guy that's bombing their sorry ass with artillery :mynicca

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1570835842255704064
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« Reply #12369 on: September 17, 2022, 12:51:20 PM »
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« Reply #12370 on: September 17, 2022, 01:10:04 PM »
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 :playa

I bet the food there is on another level. :drool

it's very spicy though, over 10.000 on a schofield geiger scale  :putin

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« Reply #12371 on: September 18, 2022, 06:28:59 AM »
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Roth/status/1571417971247185925

Interesting report on what's going on in Belgorod.
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« Reply #12372 on: September 18, 2022, 01:01:42 PM »
https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1571517645777956875

Ukraine has crossed the Oskil, now the road to Luhansk oblast is open.


Meanwhile, a big geopolitical clusterfuck is unfolding in Armenia.
Their ally Russia did not send aid as promised when Azerbaijan attacked. So Pelosi came to town and offered American support instead.
https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/1571515468426477569

However just last month the EU signed a big partnership treaty with Azerbaijan for gas deliveries so they remain neutral and Turkey is Azerbaijan's most important ally.
Israel is also an important ally of Azerbaijan.
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« Reply #12373 on: September 18, 2022, 05:23:09 PM »
I am really curious as to what Russia thinks their way forward from here is.

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« Reply #12374 on: September 18, 2022, 05:24:14 PM »


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« Reply #12375 on: September 18, 2022, 05:24:34 PM »
I am really curious as to what Russia thinks their way forward from here is.
Historically the answer is "throw more bodies at it" until they can't.

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« Reply #12376 on: September 18, 2022, 05:55:03 PM »
I am really curious as to what Russia thinks their way forward from here is.
Historically the answer is "throw more bodies at it" until they can't.
Throw more bodies until a revolution happens has also been a popular choice.
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« Reply #12377 on: September 18, 2022, 06:06:35 PM »
The Russians have a few moves they can make but what they need most is time. The general idea seems to be to increase attacks on critical infrastructure like the US did when it invaded Iraq.
Bombing power plants, the water supply and food storages would cripple Ukraine faster than hitting military targets.

For the Russians the key is to hold off the Ukrainian attacks until winter and hope that it is a very cold winter. Ukraine mostly depends on military aid from the US, UK and Poland to fight this war.
China won't get involved in a war that Russia is clearly losing but Xi might decide to put pressure on NATO with other means and supply the Russians with additional military support if he thinks they can win.

Both sides won't be able to keep up this rate of losses for very long.
For Ukraine the best bet is to cut off Russian supply, which they have been doing quite succesfully so far by blowing up bridges, trucks and railroads.
The Russians have already shown that they aren't exactly 'fighting to the last man' in this war or at least not anymore. If the situation is critical they will evacuate or retreat.
Their hold on the coast and the south is still very strong though.
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« Reply #12378 on: September 19, 2022, 09:17:39 AM »

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« Reply #12380 on: September 19, 2022, 12:45:28 PM »
Mass Grave Site With 440 Bodies Found in Izium
(NYT)
Yeah the shit they're finding is bleak. Torture chambers, mass graves. The Russians pretty much implement the same fucked up 'security policies' as they do in their own country.
Putin says that the slow pace is because of contractors but they will continue regardless.

You can't denazify a country without breaking a few hundred nazi eggs.

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« Reply #12381 on: September 19, 2022, 04:15:04 PM »
Legendary Russian pop star Alla Pugacheva condemns the invasion of Ukraine, saying it is making Russia a 'pariah'
https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-star-alla-pugacheva-slams-ukraine-war-putin-foreign-agent-2022-9

I wonder if many people in Russia are going to hear about this, though, considering instagram is banned there.
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« Reply #12382 on: September 19, 2022, 04:22:23 PM »
What's Russian for fifth storey window?
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« Reply #12383 on: September 19, 2022, 05:59:55 PM »
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1571965051216580609

The LNR wants Russia to hold a referendum so they are officially part of Russia but the forces fighting there aren't so keen on the idea.
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1571967417546579970

Igor Girkin openly predicts that Putin will be killed
https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/1571594311862747136
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« Reply #12385 on: September 20, 2022, 11:00:30 AM »
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62967084

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« Reply #12386 on: September 20, 2022, 12:04:24 PM »
https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1572222923846344708

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572181315054706691

Russia is organizing a referendum this week for the Donbass and other occupied lands to become part of Russia.
The Duma has passed laws for the concepts of martial law and general mobilization.

Rumors in Russia that as soon as tonight mobilization will start
https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1572253458245505026

Putin to speak soon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pZDCfBVbSc

https://twitter.com/WhereisRussia/status/1572275477565284353
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« Reply #12388 on: September 20, 2022, 03:33:27 PM »
https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1572304399778648064

Putin's speech is postponed until tommorow.
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« Reply #12389 on: September 20, 2022, 03:44:16 PM »
Looks like the radical left have cancelled and silenced Putin WOW
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« Reply #12392 on: September 20, 2022, 09:29:23 PM »
Speech delay is weird, dunno what to make of it. My view on mobilization hasn't changed though. A flurry of untrained prisoners and older men rushing into HIMAR/artillery/fire isn't going to stop Ukraine. And I'm not even sure Russia has the capacity to arm all these guys...or give them proper winter gear.
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« Reply #12393 on: September 21, 2022, 02:42:53 AM »
Partial mobilisation announced (reservists):

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-62970683

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« Reply #12394 on: September 21, 2022, 02:50:00 AM »
A cornered rat attacks.
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« Reply #12395 on: September 21, 2022, 03:35:37 AM »
- Putin supports referendums
- Calls up 300k reservists
- increases military production
- Threatens with nuclear weapons

Unsure what Ukraine can do about those referendums but this is not like Crimea at all. Russia doesn't fully control these areas that they plan to annex.
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« Reply #12396 on: September 21, 2022, 01:28:52 PM »
People are coming out in support of Putin.
They want him to personally lead the troops.

https://twitter.com/francis_scarr/status/1572625388265938944

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1572621878874996736
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« Reply #12397 on: September 21, 2022, 01:32:18 PM »
Another oopsie in Russia
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The former head of the Moscow Aviation Institute has died after falling down "several flights of stairs," the institute reported Wednesday.

Scientist Anatoly Gerashchenko, 72, "fell from a great height," according to the university, which described his death in the Russian capital as an accident.

https://www.newsweek.com/putin-ally-dies-falling-down-stairs-day-russia-mobilization-1744944

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« Reply #12398 on: September 21, 2022, 01:49:49 PM »
I see a lot of western takes on this. "You can't mobilize 300k so fast and properly train and feed them etc."

As if Putin isn't capable of sending them all over the hill with a bottle of Vodka and a Mosin Nagant rifle.
Trainloads of these conscripts will arrive at the front within days, thrown into the meatgrinder.

Ukraine will find it more difficult to put a PR spin on machine gunning hundreds or even thousands of helpless Russians every day and their ammo will run out faster too.
Putin's idea is clearly: if I can't have Ukraine, no one can.

And Ukraine knows it.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572633866669805568
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« Reply #12399 on: September 21, 2022, 01:54:32 PM »
Bad moves all around. Partial mobilization leaves Putin venerable to hardliners who will say the inevitable failure of this is because it wasn't a large enough mobilization. And annexation land Russia barely or doesn't control only sets them up for more embarrassment, not to mention makes any potential peace negotiation harder. There's no way Ukraine will accept annexation. To the contrary they seem to think they can retake Crimea lol.
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« Reply #12400 on: September 21, 2022, 01:58:00 PM »
I think this is a wider change in the rules of engagement.

Putin has put nukes on the table. i.e. once the areas are officially 'russian' he may use nukes to defend them.
With that said, that's not the first weapon he'll reach for but there's things like carpet bombing in his toolbox too.

Those 300k are just the first wave. No one is leaving. It's total war.

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https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/1572558745942786048
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« Reply #12401 on: September 21, 2022, 02:01:46 PM »
Nintex youre back on nuke watch you have my dm let me know if you see any clouds
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« Reply #12402 on: September 21, 2022, 02:02:03 PM »
Guessing Putin doesn't give a shit that once the war is done and dusted there will probably be decades of terrorism on Russian soil :thinking
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« Reply #12403 on: September 21, 2022, 02:09:35 PM »
I see a lot of western takes on this. "You can't mobilize 300k so fast and properly train and feed them etc."

As if Putin isn't capable of sending them all over the hill with a bottle of Vodka and a Mosin Nagant rifle.
Trainloads of these conscripts will arrive at the front within days, thrown into the meatgrinder.

Ukraine will find it more difficult to put a PR spin on machine gunning hundreds or even thousands of helpless Russians every day and their ammo will run out faster too.
Putin's idea is clearly: if I can't have Ukraine, no one can.

And Ukraine knows it.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572633866669805568
Are you arguing there will be a PR issue with Ukraine killing Russian soldiers on the battlefield, or are you suggesting Russians (and their socialist/communist/leftist/right wing/etc supporters in the US) will be making these arguments? That's a pretty laughable suggestion IMO.

Nor will Ukraine run out of weapons as long as the US keeps sending shit. I see no indication that lethal aide will end anytime soon. Flip side does Russia have the vehicles and ammo they need? Begging North Korea for weapons doesn't present confidence...
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« Reply #12404 on: September 21, 2022, 02:46:29 PM »
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Are you arguing there will be a PR issue with Ukraine killing Russian soldiers on the battlefield, or are you suggesting Russians (and their socialist/communist/leftist/right wing/etc supporters in the US) will be making these arguments? That's a pretty laughable suggestion IMO.
A bit of both. I vividly remember the shift in perception for the Iraq war after it wasn't just planes and missiles bombing tanks and palaces but actual street fighting with people (mostly looters) lying dead in the streets.
The images of scores of dead Russians will shift the perception of this war, especially in Russia itself but also in EU countries like Germany and Italy that prefer a diplomatic settlement with Russia over all out war.

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Nor will Ukraine run out of weapons as long as the US keeps sending shit. I see no indication that lethal aide will end anytime soon. Flip side does Russia have the vehicles and ammo they need? Begging North Korea for weapons doesn't present confidence...
Ukraine will use much more ammo against a larger Russian force. The US supplies Ukraine with specialized lethal aide but it's already having trouble to supply enough AK 47 ammo and other Soviet-style ordinance that he Ukrainian army and especially the territorial defense forces are mostly familiar with. Some European countries have already signaled that they're out of stockpiles to send. More is being produced and Ukrainian forces are being trained to use new weapon systems but it will take time to reach the front lines.

Russia may find it difficult to field enough vehicles and tanks after they suffered heavy losses but they aren't short on rifles and grenades to hand-out to conscripts. Getting the stuff to the front lines is really the big difficulty for both sides as they've become experts in targetting each others ammo dumps.

Guessing Putin doesn't give a shit that once the war is done and dusted there will probably be decades of terrorism on Russian soil :thinking
Putin's realizes that his own survival hinges on "winning" this war. Which is why he will not end it, nor give up.

His supporters know that without Putin they're all dog food for revolutionaries or ultra-nationalists.
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« Reply #12405 on: September 21, 2022, 02:51:21 PM »
I'm kind of surprised that we've not heard anything about the Oligarchs moving against him, or at least intrigued about whats going on there, I doubt the likes of Roman Abramovich (4 billy down from having to sell chelsea fc and supposedly getting no money from it) are delighted at being billions of £ out of pocket from this war.

Its all fun and games when Putin was doing his strongman dick waving and was still part of the international community, but now he's cut off and its fucking with their money now...
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« Reply #12406 on: September 21, 2022, 03:25:49 PM »
I'm kind of surprised that we've not heard anything about the Oligarchs moving against him, or at least intrigued about whats going on there, I doubt the likes of Roman Abramovich (4 billy down from having to sell chelsea fc and supposedly getting no money from it) are delighted at being billions of £ out of pocket from this war.

Its all fun and games when Putin was doing his strongman dick waving and was still part of the international community, but now he's cut off and its fucking with their money now...
My understanding is that Putin is the King Oligarch, much like in China if you move against the state your assets become worthless.

IIRC, this was something Putin learned in his first term and while Medvedev was in, others constrained his power too much, so when he came back he ensured things would be different.

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« Reply #12408 on: September 21, 2022, 04:38:14 PM »
Putin's latest move has broken what remained of the 'pact' between the Kremlin and the middle class though.
Which was basically that as long people would be lifted from poverty and could enjoy the spoils of the west (travel/products/movies etc.), they would accept Putin's one party rule.
There would not be "random reprisals" like during the time of Stalin and no lawlessness like the Yeltsin days Putin would offer stability and order. It would all be based on laws and regulations as long as you didn't challenge the state politically.
The oligarchs were simply persuaded to join forces with Putin's regime, they would have to pay their taxes and follow the law yes but they could also count on the protection and help from the state to take out the competition.

Xi's China works different there are no second chances or ways to 'join' the party. Either you are in or out and if you're out, you lose everything, end up in a labour camp or worse. In Xi's China these reprisals can also be completely random.

Putin is more than an oligarch, he has multiple roles.
1. President of the Russian Federation (political leader, the representative on the world stage for all the Russian regions)
2. Protector of the Russian people (leader of the Russian people even outside of Russia's borders)
3. Spiritual leader of the 'Kievan Rus' and third rome (basically the religious leader and emperor)

Putin is more or less an institution, a pillar of government in many different ways. When Medvedev was in power it was already clear that Putin was still pulling the strings.
However when he returned to office he became more and more entrenched in his role as 'emperor'. Merkel already found this so alarming that she simply called Putin so he would hear other opinions than what the Kremlin would feed him.

It is quite unclear if all the things Putin is doing now are his own machinations or if he's simply acting on events like an emperor would based on what is presented to him by Shoigu and his other pawns.
This was basically Macron's take on the situation that Putin was being misled by those around him in order to hide their own failures. He believes that Putin has fallen victim to the culture of misinformation, confusion and deceit he himself created.
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« Reply #12409 on: September 21, 2022, 04:51:32 PM »
https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1572630639655927815

Only one airline seems to be servicing










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« Reply #12410 on: September 21, 2022, 05:00:40 PM »
If Russia had no issue arming troops they wouldn't be begging North Korea for weapons...

Ukraine will be fine on that front. I'd also argue equipment demand will be different in this situation vs Feb/March 2022. Their artillery situation, plus HIMARS, has significantly improved. Air situation has improved. Bad situation to be in for an invading force whose vehicle support has been significantly reduced.

Don't think the dead bodies matter. We've had 6 months of full blown tank snuff videos on display across social media. Nor do I expect Russia or Ukraine to broadcast a lot of post-battle dead bodies. The only real sympathy Russia is getting is coming from extremists - from the left and right here.
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« Reply #12411 on: September 21, 2022, 05:17:20 PM »
At least 1,252 people are detained in protests across Russia.

"Protesters across Russia took to the streets to show their disapproval of the “partial mobilization” policy announced by President Vladimir V. Putin on Wednesday morning that would press 300,000 into military service. At least 1,252 people from 38 cities were detained, according to OVD-Info, a human rights watchdog that monitors police activity.

In Moscow, hundreds of protesters gathered on the Old Arbat, a well-known pedestrian street in central Moscow. They screamed “Send Putin to the trenches!” and “Let our children live!” Footage showed riot police dragging people away.

In Tomsk, a woman holding a sign that said “Hug me if you are also scared” smiled serenely as she was dragged away from a small protest by three police officers. In Novosibirsk, a man with a ponytail was taken away after he told police officers, “I don’t want to die for Putin and for you.”

Protest is effectively criminalized in Russia, where before this week almost 16,500 people had been detained for antiwar activity, according to OVD-Info — including the simple act of an individual standing in a public place holding a blank piece of paper."

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2022/09/21/world/russia-ukraine-war-putin#at-least-525-people-are-detained-in-protests-across-russia
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« Reply #12412 on: September 21, 2022, 05:24:23 PM »
What is underestimated that just like with COVID there's a whole bunch of people who have trained and waited for this moment their entire lives and feel that this is their moment.

https://twitter.com/MadhawTiwari/status/1572645005889765378
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« Reply #12414 on: September 21, 2022, 05:42:54 PM »
This patriot wins a quick ticket to Wagners penal unit :salute

https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572645141839577089
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« Reply #12415 on: September 21, 2022, 05:47:22 PM »
I see a lot of western takes on this. "You can't mobilize 300k so fast and properly train and feed them etc."

As if Putin isn't capable of sending them all over the hill with a bottle of Vodka and a Mosin Nagant rifle.
Trainloads of these conscripts will arrive at the front within days, thrown into the meatgrinder.

Ukraine will find it more difficult to put a PR spin on machine gunning hundreds or even thousands of helpless Russians every day and their ammo will run out faster too.
Putin's idea is clearly: if I can't have Ukraine, no one can.

And Ukraine knows it.
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1572633866669805568
Experience says you only need one rifle between two soldiers.
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« Reply #12416 on: September 21, 2022, 05:49:44 PM »
Guessing Putin doesn't give a shit that once the war is done and dusted there will probably be decades of terrorism on Russian soil :thinking
It'll be mainly confined to the new buffer states so he doesn't care
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« Reply #12417 on: September 21, 2022, 05:50:04 PM »
https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1572087951416336385
If they're all at the funeral then using a nuke is just a little bit of overkill.

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Re: International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster
« Reply #12418 on: September 21, 2022, 05:51:30 PM »
It's a "bring your own gun and pants" kind of army

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1572681274111963136

This is just cruel
https://twitter.com/evangershkovich/status/1572688378604421120

Go die in the war you are protesting against
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