International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster

[VomKriege]

Lebanon treats Palestinian refugees pretty bad, hard not to see the same thing happening to Syrians if the government doesn't win the civil war.

Yeah I guess but the effort expected from Lebanon is insane, hosting 1m+ refugees in a country where the population is estimated at 6m, who went through a civil war not unlike the war in Syria not too long ago and in a perpetual state of destabilization through foreign influence.

[Nintex]

Hey we haven't heard from Iraq for a while, I wonder what's going on... oh
https://twitter.com/L0gg0l/status/1017904040057954304

[Mandark]

Over 80% of Syrian refugees are already in Muslim-majority countries, IIRC. Turkey alone (which has a different ethnic identity and language from Syria) has something like three times the total refugees of the EU combined.

There are roughly 1.5 million Syrian refugees in Lebanon, a country of 6 million. That's way bigger demographic change than any place in Europe is experiencing in a country that's poorer and much more unstable than the Euro destinations of immigration. But they're (barely more than half) Muslim and brown, should work out fine right?

The obvious country that should be taking on way more refugees than it has is the United States, by any reasonable way of figuring these things.

Of course Syrians are now explicitly banned for what John Roberts assures me are super legit reasons.

[warcock]

Lebanon treats Palestinian refugees pretty bad, hard not to see the same thing happening to Syrians if the government doesn't win the civil war.

Yeah I guess but the effort expected from Lebanon is insane, hosting 1m+ refugees in a country where the population is estimated at 6m, who went through a civil war not unlike the war in Syria not too long ago and in a perpetual state of destabilization through foreign influence.

The palestinian refugees were a catalyst of that civil war as well. Like someone else alluded the syrian refugees are not wanted in the neighbooring countries. If you want to use the palestinian exodus as a case study, lebanon being the worst case and jordan being probably the best. It does not beam one with optimism. Rofl pan arabism died with Nasser s failed war.

[Mandark]

The idea that Arabs* are fungible and you can just shift them from one territory to another without problems is something you hear a lot from Zionist hawks. "There's no such thing as a Palestinian" etc.

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*And of course, as it relates to this discussion, Turks ain't Arabs.

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[shosta]

Defeatism over the ability of Arabs to someday achieve Arab unity is what allows them to continue being manipulated by capricious foreign powers

[Nintex]

When it comes to war refugees it's much better to help close to where they live than to move them over.
- The most healthy/rich manage to get out to save havens, the weak and poor remain which results in a brain drain after the conflict is over
- Creating economic incentives and better living conditions in the region is far less expensive and much more valuable on the long term
- Most of the refugees would rather stay home or return home if they had the chance (in fact a significant portion of Syrians did so)
- You don't introduce new political struggles and tensions in other countries
- The refugees don't have to go on a dangerous sometimes lethal trip

Inequality between Africa and Europe is not solved by moving over millions of people from one continent to another and was never part of the solidarity deal with Syrian war victims.
Many people are actually in favor of taking in war refugees (same as we did for the Balkans and the Iraq conflict) but they don't want to take in millions of economic migrants at the same time.

And honestly, the NGO's, UN think tanks and progressives never ever bother to criticize the governments that fail to provide for their citizens to a level that they volunteer to live in tents along the border.

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Boots up Xbox One X, grabs cold beer from the fridge 

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[Mandark]

Yeah, you never hear NGO's criticize... the Syrian government.

[benjipwns]

my educated guess is that Muslim population will be integrated much better in... Muslim countries

People have mentioned this but I want to make it rather more explicit. I would recommend a glance at Wikipedia for both the history of Islam, and the history of the Middle East, for a primer on how well Muslims, and even just Arabs, have treated each other since...well, at least since God visited Muhammed and he "united" the Arab tribes. (Hint: it was pretty temporary and rather unofficial.)

If this is too much and a place like Lebanon seems boring, perhaps something about Iraq just during the periods under and post-Saddam? (Afghanistan might be a better example, except no Arabs.)

You might also want to consider whether the person who should have followed Muhammed as the Caliph should have been Ali.

As for Turkey, their secular authoritarian regime of Turks (and Kurds), which is 2/3'rds Sunni and already hosts the largest refugee population in the world may not be the best place to temporarily-permanently store more Muslims (and/or Arabs) even if they're also Sunni. Although they have recently let up quite a bit on that ferociously secular state thing that Ataturk wanted to better mistreat minorities.

Though thinking about Afghanistan again...maybe we should just dump all the world's refugees in the unpopulated areas there. If they're fans of an arid climate with no water, Iran next door has some really great vacant real estate with no population. Do they like months of unceasing wind too?

[Kara]

Yeah I guess but the effort expected from Lebanon is insane, hosting 1m+ refugees in a country where the population is estimated at 6m, who went through a civil war not unlike the war in Syria not too long ago and in a perpetual state of destabilization through foreign influence.

I don't begrudge them too much for it; everyone treats Palestinians abominably.

[warcock]

White people are disgusting looking, I think a demographic change would vastly improve the sexual appeal of most Europeans.

You want the whole of europe to look like spain?   

Isco is so hot, no homo.

[benjipwns]

Look, Christians are all one single-minded entity, so it only makes sense that Muslims are too.

[Nintex]

 
https://twitter.com/soutuna/status/1018254986315169792

https://twitter.com/SaqrMaghrebi/status/1018215177437745152

The Iranian backed regime in Iraq is completely falling apart.

[warcock]

https://twitter.com/soutuna/status/1018254986315169792

https://twitter.com/SaqrMaghrebi/status/1018215177437745152

The Iranian backed regime in Iraq is completely falling apart.

Nintex get an internship at fox news. I guarentee you will make multiple times whatever salary ur getting in dumpster netherlands.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/soutuna/status/1018254986315169792

https://twitter.com/SaqrMaghrebi/status/1018215177437745152

The Iranian backed regime in Iraq is completely falling apart.

Nintex get an internship at fox news. I guarentee you will make multiple times whatever salary ur getting in dumpster netherlands.

Maybe I can just do it from here. Fox News reporter from Europe holding the tide against the EU fake news. 

[Corporal]

PLANWIRTSCHAFT 2.0

Man, EU just going derp and deciding that we need European-made Exascale computers is hilarious. Now I've been outside of any deeper techy stuff for a decade or two, but I'd still grant myself "interested noob" status. To me, the timetable looks completely unachievable. Hilariously so. That's centrally planned economy levels of lunacy.

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Best of all Brexit happened, causing the Brits to sell off ARM for a pittance. It's just so fitting. We had something at least vaguely in the general sector with a thriving and wildly successful surrounding market, but stood at the sidelines and watched idly as everything got sold off.

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I am a proponent of the EU by all means, maybe even unreasonably so, but sometimes I just wanna bang my head against the wall at their shenanigans. They slept on that side of technology for easily two decades, if not far longer, and only NOW realize that they're completely outmatched and utterly dependent on outside actors.
We have zero supporting industry and thus also zero market and infrastructure for these kinds of things. It's lunacy to just decree "a great leap forward" from the top down and expect anything but a massive waste of money. These things need to grow from the ground up and take decades to mature. On top of serious, concentrated commitments. You don't just vaguely barf out some sort of fantasy plan and throw a few cents at it in the hope that something will happen. This is "within a decade an American will walk on the Moon" levels of challenge. No wait, an entirely Europe-made mid-range PC would be that. Domestic exascale computing is another several orders of magnitude beyond that.

Plus, this will go directly in the face of two established and powerful competitors and at least one vastly more powerful upcoming one. I'm suuuure they will just stand idly by.

#RagingTuesday 

[Nabbis]

The amount of tax money wasted on this Drumf-Bootin business... 

Im sure Finland now matters on the international stage as a first rate player.

[Nintex]

The first thing the EU has done this year that is not completely useless.

They've made a trade deal with Nintendoland Japan

https://twitter.com/Trade_EU/status/1019223112435621888

Credit were credit is due.

Useful / Useless score is at 1 - 459394304 for this year now.

Congrats Brussels!

[hungrynoob]

"The ball is now in your court"



The signal is lit!

[shosta]

hungryboob!!! We were all very worried about you, glad to see you're ok, for some definition of ok.

[hungrynoob]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XsxuEyfZn8

Im fine, are you?

[Broseidon]

get help dude

[Nintex]

"The ball is now in your court"

(Image removed from quote.)

The signal is lit!

[hungrynoob]

What is Plato's cave?

Plato has Socrates describe a group of people who have lived chained to the wall of a cave all of their lives, facing a blank wall. The people watch shadows projected on the wall from objects passing in front of a fire behind them, and give names to these shadows. The shadows are the prisoners' reality. Socrates explains how the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall are not reality at all, for he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the manufactured reality that is the shadows seen by the prisoners. The inmates of this place do not even desire to leave their prison, for they know no better life

"Get help dude"

This is tantamount to emotional manipulation, not for me but for everyone else reading, like you have ANY authority to analyse me to suggest I need it. Do you even know how you actually operate as a person?

Here is my analysis that argues Rod Rosenstein (and in turn Mueller) arent working on the russian investigation but against the Cabal. https://pastebin.com/dyZH2EXa

Are you still chained to the teet of the opinions of others?

[shosta]

This is tantamount to emotional manipulation, not for me but for everyone else reading, like you have ANY authority to analyse me to suggest I need it. Do you even know how you actually operate as a person?

C'mon man, he's looking out for your well-being precisely because you post agitated stuff like this.

[hungrynoob]

Not addressing my points = intentional emotional manipulation.

You want to help me? Disprove me.

[Brehvolution]

What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat

[Broseidon]

your prodromal, schizophasic word-salad is no more raising points than Time Cube was. See a medical professional. Please.

[hungrynoob]

What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat

Q and alex jones are NOT synonymous. Alex Jones tried to discredit Q as Alex Jones is controlled opposition designed to make truth seekers look crazy.  The trailer though is a truth hidden in plain sight.

Q has overcome every obstacle and continues to grow as much as MSM tries to say otherwise. A lot has happened, you have just been distracted.

[Nintex]

What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat

Jones said Hollywood was a lair of pedophile vampires.

He wasn't necessarily wrong.   

[hungrynoob]

What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat

Jones said Hollywood was a lair of pedophile vampires.

He wasn't necessarily wrong.   

Gatekeeper, just a taste.

[agrajag]

Novid was better than this trash.

[Nintex]

What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat

Jones said Hollywood was a lair of pedophile vampires.

He wasn't necessarily wrong.   

Gatekeeper, just a taste.

Another sign:
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1019295805398757376

[hungrynoob]

Are you ready?

[FStop7]

free Creepy Stalker

[Great Rumbler]

Make another thread for this garbage if you wanna talk about it.

[hungrynoob]

Garbage?

How much are you willing to wager? It is coming whether you want it to or not, I am here to mentally prepare you, the truth will not be easy to accept.

[agrajag]

[benjipwns]

your prodromal, schizophasic word-salad is no more raising points than Time Cube was. See a medical professional. Please.

i hope the mods don't allow this intolerant attack on the reality of the 4 Corner Simultaneous 4-Day Time Cube to go un-actioned, and quite frankly it should be a protected class like YUM! Brands and Bob Avakian

  1 Educated Are Most Dumb.
  Not 1 Human Except Dead 1.
  Man Is Paired,  2 Half 4 Self.
  1 of God Is Only 1/4 Of God.                         
   Bible A Lie & Word Is Lies.
   Navel Connects 4 Corner 4s.
  God Is Born Of A Mother –
   She Left Belly B. Signature.
Every Priest Has Ma Sign
  But Lies To Honor Queers.
Belly B. Proves 4 Corners.

Your dirty lying teachers
use only the midnight to
midnight 1 day (ignoring
3 other days) Time to not
foul (already wrong) bible
   time. Lie that corrupts earth
you educated stupid fools.

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Jordan Peterson stans man

[Great Rumbler]

Garbage?

How much are you willing to wager? It is coming whether you want it to or not, I am here to mentally prepare you, the truth will not be easy to accept.

When Obama/Hillary/Nancy Pelosi are executed live on Fox News and Trump sets himself up as President for life, I'll let you post about QAnon in the regular politics threads. Until then, you can make your own thread to post that stuff in.

[hungrynoob]

Take what you need from Peterson, but where we're going transcends all your arguments. Capitalism v socialism. Feminism, gender, racial economic, the LOT.

God is real. But religion has failed god, corrupted, just another diversion from that which is TRUTH. What is THE truth?

[benjipwns]

there you go, start the "hungrynoob TRUTH Thread" and we can get down to talking about the demons

[agrajag]

Serious question, are you bipolar?

[benjipwns]

kinda

edit: oh you mean...

[agrajag]

I was asking hungryboob, I already know you're crazies than a guano bat!

[benjipwns]

aren't all bats guano bats?

[agrajag]

Bat guano then

[hungrynoob]

For someone to be bipolar, they must swing into a depression yes?
Depression has been obfuscated with lies as well to contain your thinking.

[seagrams hotsauce]

What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat

Alex Jones is controlled opposition designed to make truth seekers look crazy.

well i'll say you're doing a hell of a job rehabbing their image here dawg

[agrajag]

For someone to be bipolar, they must swing into a depression yes?
Depression has been obfuscated with lies as well to contain your thinking.

My theory is that you disappear during your depressive periods and come back with your nonsense during your manic periods.

[agrajag]

What's to prove?

Q/alex jones/next conservative dipshit says something is gonna happen.

Nothing happens

Move on to the next bullshit

repeat

Alex Jones is controlled opposition designed to make truth seekers look crazy.

well i'll say you're doing a hell of a job rehabbing their image here dawg

Righr, Alex Jones is very lucid in comparison to this looney tune over here.

[hungrynoob]

There is one major difference, Alex Jones is paid to keep the gears turning. I'm telling you, public disclosure is coming.

[hungrynoob]

For someone to be bipolar, they must swing into a depression yes?
Depression has been obfuscated with lies as well to contain your thinking.

My theory is that you disappear during your depressive periods and come back with your nonsense during your manic periods.

Answer me this. What is the cure for depression?

[agrajag]

Answer my question first.

[hungrynoob]

I do not have bipolar.

[Broseidon]

hungrynoob can you clarify what this big thing is that everything is supposedly moving towards?

[hungrynoob]

Deconstruction of the global centralised banking system, owned by the rothschilds. The kennedys were part of the elite family structure, why do you think they knew so much and JFK and his son were both killed?
That is only one part, but people must be able to conceptualise first that almost all institutions around the world are criminal in nature and are lying via half truths.

I will ask again, why did Teresa May mention heading towards a gold standard in her chequers speech?
You can all attack and name call all you want, I love you all, I'm just preparing you for what's to come.

[benjipwns]

preparing us in a strategy game sense or

[Nintex]

Deconstruction of the global centralised banking system, owned by the rothschilds. The kennedys were part of the elite family structure, why do you think they knew so much and JFK and his son were both killed?
That is only one part, but people must be able to conceptualise first that almost all institutions around the world are criminal in nature and are lying via half truths.

I will ask again, why did Teresa May mention heading towards a gold standard in her chequers speech?
You can all attack and name call all you want, I love you all, I'm just preparing you for what's to come.

I keep an open mind about those theories but if the cabal intervened to stop JFK and his son. How come they didn't manage to stop Trump.
What gives Trump the edge over the 'deep state'?