International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster

[kingv]

Someone been crushing up his pills and putting them in his food.

[Assimilate]

I think Glenn is right.

No, not entirely. He went off the rails at the end there like others pointed out.

I mentioned this in another thread, but I have a Brazilian buddy who lives in US. He absolutely despises Trump, yet he supported Bolsonaro. And my buddy is definitely does not belong to the white ruling class. I think people underestimate just how desperate the folks in countries like Brazil are.

Right, people here are desperate. Most of the people that voted for Bolsonaro here laugh at Trump (most of them, not all)

Those kind if people are always vulnerable for an authoritarian strongman to swoop in and take control. Plus, I have a theory that most people have an innate desire for someone to lord over them and make decisions for them.

No, no one wants people to make decisions for them. No one wants a dictator.

I don't believe the voters in Brazil are a direct equivalent of Trump voters.

Correct. Like I was saying right above no one here wants a dictator. Most Bolsonaro voters don't even want him to implement half his policies, which is kinda crazy.  Brazilians are very socially liberal. They're free going people that like to have a good time. No one wants a dictator here, but they do crave security, someone strong that will not allow criminals to run rampant.

The left has taken a very lean approach, a very Scandinavian approach to crime and rehabilitation. It works for Scandinavia,  it does not work for Brasil. It's a different culture, totally different people.  This 'human rights' kiddy bullshit has not worked here for the last few decades and it shows.

There is a saying here that 'every Brazilian is born with the inherent right to murder 1 person' . Do you know how ridiculous that is? Come on.

And here is one anectodal for ya - in my brief time here I have not met a single female, not a single one, that hasn't been robbed/assaulted at least 1 time in their lives.

In the states I've known 0 women that have been robbed. fucking 0.

[agrajag]

Shut the fuck up you distinguished mentally-challenged fucknugget.

[benjipwns]

And here is one anectodal for ya - in my brief time here I have not met a single female, not a single one.

In the states I've known 0 women. fucking 0.

whoops finger slipped

[Assimilate]

Shut the fuck up you distinguished mentally-challenged fucknugget.

 

someone didn't get his chicken tendies today

[Cerveza mas fina]

Assy is a favelado?

All makes sense

[agrajag]

Shut the fuck up you distinguished mentally-challenged fucknugget.

 

someone didn't get his chicken tendies today

I like how you have so little imagination that your pea-sized brain went straight to chicken when I called you a fucknugget.

[benjipwns]

I like how you have so little imagination that your pea-sized brain went straight to chicken when I called you a fucknugget.

[Assimilate]

Assy is a favelado?

All makes sense

no, I actually live a few blocks away from the apartment of the new elected president 

I like how you have so little imagination that your pea-sized brain went straight to chicken when I called you a fucknugget.

Vagina, you live in fucking Hialeah Florida let's not pretend you are some type of cognitive achievement.

[benjipwns]

To be fair you are showing a tendency to go for bird related witticisms, beaks, chicken, suggesting Atra grow a tom like beard to go with his neck tattoo, etc.

[kingv]

They say that Rio is great except for all the Cariocas.

[agrajag]

I don't live in Hialeah but you live in the favela and have PTSD from getting side swiped by a "liberal trucker."

 

[Assimilate]

I don't live in Hialeah but you live in the favela and have PTSD from getting side swiped by a "liberal trucker."

 

 

Cubano triggered

[agrajag]

Look, I know you are not the brightest and you just cracked under the stress of PTSD from living in the slums, your girl getting railed by cariocas and being acosted by liberal truck drivers from Rio. So I will cut you some slack. After all, you can't fix stupid, so why try. I also commend you for your efforts of trying to be Zen and a nice guy, even though you are failing har at both. But keep trying little buddy, one day you will achive Zen.

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[Assimilate]

Dude write an entire paragraph and then says he is not triggered 

[agrajag]

Another sad example of the failing Brazilian education system, this dude thinks it's a big undertaking to write a paragraph roasting his ass.

 

[Cerveza mas fina]

Beef is real itt

[Nabbis]

Beef is real itt

It's no-fap november so they need to let it out.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1058400257929854976

 

[Nabbis]

No one has who is currently in power has actually spilled the beans that it's suspected to be a military base. That said, it's obvious it's most likely is some type of operation site.

Those titles on Twitter though... Can't get any more sensetional than that.

[Great Rumbler]

I wouldn't be at all shocked if a lot of different countries were doing this exact same thing in a lot of different places.

[Nabbis]

I wouldn't be at all shocked if a lot of different countries were doing this exact same thing in a lot of different places.

Yeah, most major players probably are. Though there is this specific thing in Finland being a dumbass where they allow foreign interest to own private property near military targets, Russia certainly does not allow it.

[Nintex]

Other countries might engage in the same thing but the way the Russians do it deserves some praise.

"OOPS how did this helicopter base get here. don't worry guys nothing to see here just move along"

Just like how they're sometimes amassing tank columns on the Ukraine border and ship them to the rebels by scrubbing off the markers.
"What do you mean modern Russian tanks?" "These are tractor drivers who found these vehicles abandoned by the Ukrainian military" (actual statement by Russian government)

[shosta]

EU states that backed the nuclear deal have said they will protect EU firms doing "legitimate" business with Iran.

sanctions annihilated?

[Nintex]

EU states that backed the nuclear deal have said they will protect EU firms doing "legitimate" business with Iran.

sanctions annihilated?

The EU vowed to protect Saddam and Ukraine as well.

[Mandark]

The EU vowed to protect Saddam

 

[jorma]

EU states that backed the nuclear deal have said they will protect EU firms doing "legitimate" business with Iran.

sanctions annihilated?

one can hope, this beef the US has against Iran is the dumbest shit ever.

edit: no wait, that's the beef they have against Cuba. second dumbest shit ever then.

[shosta]

it's not dumb, it's part of our continuing effort to consolidate power in the region to our client states Israel and Saudi Arabia and away from Russo-Chinese capital

[jorma]

it's not dumb, it's part of our continuing effort to consolidate power in the region to our client states Israel and Saudi Arabia and away from Russo-Chinese capital

yes, obviously. that doesn't make it not dumb.

And Cuba is just petty stubbornness, making it even dumber.

[shosta]

it's still not dumb, it's evil

[jorma]

it's still not dumb, it's evil

 

[shosta]

I am willing to metaphorically die on this semantic hill for specious reasons

[jorma]

I am willing to metaphorically die on this semantic hill for specious reasons

so does that mean you endorse it, seeing as you tagged yourself SATAN? 

[Nintex]

Shortly after this, Putin rolled in and took Crimea and 2 provinces.
The courageous EU diplomats were back in Brussels protesting him.

Although to be fair. Saddam's survival hinged solely on the fact that the EU states thought George, Donald and Dick would not take action without security council approval.
And France and Germany would never be in favor of the war unless the UN inspection team actually found WMD's.

[Mandark]

it's not dumb, it's part of our continuing effort to consolidate power in the region to our client states Israel and Saudi Arabia and away from Russo-Chinese capital

When you feign a certain cynicism towards geopolitics in order to play devil's advocate, but forgot that even evaluated on those terms the policy is still dumb.

[Mandark]

And France and Germany would never be in favor of the war unless the UN inspection team actually found WMD's.

ya that's exactly the same was "vowed to protect Saddam"

[Raist]

EU states that backed the nuclear deal have said they will protect EU firms doing "legitimate" business with Iran.

sanctions annihilated?

The EU vowed to protect Saddam and Ukraine as well.

Wait, what?

Refusing to participate in a phony war is vowing to protect, now?

[Mandark]

Also a bunch of EU countries sent troops to Iraq, as well as several countries that would be admitted to the EU the following year.

[shosta]

it's not dumb, it's part of our continuing effort to consolidate power in the region to our client states Israel and Saudi Arabia and away from Russo-Chinese capital

When you feign a certain cynicism towards geopolitics in order to play devil's advocate, but forgot that even evaluated on those terms the policy is still dumb.

not feigning, and which devil am I advocating for?

Israel is our faithful servant in the Middle East and Saudi Arabia is the regional juggernaut. Saudi Arabia is a valuable arms purchaser. Saudi Arabia complies with keeping oil supplies stable. And lastly, Saudi Arabia endorses most US aims in the region. On the terms of American empire and world stability, these relationships are profitable and make sense.

If we're going to reevaluate our relationship, maybe we should go back to a policy of realpolitik and balance Iranian interests against Saudi ones, but it's not like that worked with Iraq...

[Mandark]

congrats as passing nintex as the dumbest poster on this page

[shosta]

lemme know when you get on my level and want to discuss this

[Nintex]

Gray Connoly had a good point.
The Kashoggi situation and Yemen are not worth a new prolonged conflict and/or losing Saudi Arabia to the Russians.

Not to mention the US's cooperation with the Saudi's has been the same ever since FDR. They wouldn't understand it if the US would certainly change the terms of the arrangement because some people Ree'd on the sidelines.
Making foreign policy decisions on 'feelings' will not make the world a safer and better place.

[TEEEPO]

saudia arabia has been complying with russia to keep oil supplies "stable" for the next 10-20 years, not the united states

[Mandark]

Well now you have Nintex on your side.

QED

[Nintex]

saudia arabia has been complying with russia to keep oil supplies "stable" for the next 10-20 years, not the united states

That's pretty much the prisoners diliemma that all oil producing countries are in. They have to keep supply/demand balanced otherwise they nuke their economies when the oil price craters.

Remember 'PEAK OIL' oil would dwindle. We'd run out of oil by 2020 based on a formula from the 50's.
Meanwhile, oil production has increased far beyond 'peak oil'.

[shosta]

saudia arabia has been complying with russia to keep oil supplies "stable" for the next 10-20 years, not the united states

is that why the Saudis pumped up oil production after Ukraine (US' interest) and Syria (Saudi's) to tank Russia's economy?

EDIT: I had this backwards, the russian saudi agreement happened precisely after this. Obviously every major economy has an interest in keeping global oil supply stable.

[Nintex]

Well now you have Nintex on your side.

QED

So you're saying we should drop Saudi Arabia and put them in bed with the Russians and the Chinese because 'FeElInGs?'

what are you going to accuse them of? Bombing civilians, like most members of the UN security council do on a daily basis?
Killing journalists is also quite common. Just look up who survived the Panama Papers investigations or anyone who's ever looked into Moscow bombings.

Keeping the Saudi's around and trying to influence them by working with them is a better solution. They're not completely bonkers yet like Iran is.

[Mandark]

So you're saying we should drop Saudi Arabia and put them in bed with the Russians and the Chinese because 'FeElInGs?'

No, I'm saying you're deeply unintelligent.

Also, remember when you said the "EU vowed to protect Saddam?" What is the point of lies like that which could be easily googled, especially when you already have a reputation for dishonesty? I'm sincerely interested in how you think these things will work out.

[TEEEPO]

saudia arabia has been complying with russia to keep oil supplies "stable" for the next 10-20 years, not the united states

is that why the Saudis pumped up oil production after Ukraine (US' interest) and Syria (Saudi's) to tank Russia's economy?

are you referencing the 2014 price war in response to lost market share from us crude oil production, e.g. fracking? which coincidentally did very little except for harm opec and russia as the united states is now the world leader in crude oil production due to the technological innovations and price cutting that had occured in response to the oversupply of crude oil.



but hey, you seem like a fairly decent google warrior but let me help you:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93Saudi_Arabia_relations#Saudi_Arabia_and_Russia

[shosta]

No fair, you posted that before I could edit my post to move my goalposts!

[Mandark]

If the US was less involved in the ME and the situation were roughly what it is at this point (a series of sectarian conflicts being stoked by two rival oil-producing regional powers), would we look at it and say "hell yeah let's pick a side and get involved in this shit"?

[Nintex]

So you're saying we should drop Saudi Arabia and put them in bed with the Russians and the Chinese because 'FeElInGs?'

No, I'm saying you're deeply unintelligent.

Also, remember when you said the "EU vowed to protect Saddam?" What is the point of lies like that which could be easily googled, especially when you already have a reputation for dishonesty? I'm sincerely interested in how you think these things will work out.

That was how it was reported here at the time.

The reailty is that there was some backchannel diplomacy going on to grant Saddam asylum in Europe and/or Russia.
That they wanted Hans Blix to finish his inspections and that they didn't want war in Iraq. Except for Tony Blair, who considered it the next Crusade.
https://www.arte.tv/en/videos/074567-011-A/against-the-iraq-war-dominique-de-villepin/

So in their own words the EU (Germany/France) said they'd protect Iraq from agression, at least until the inspections were finished.

Anyhow, my original point being that even if EU people show up in Teheran like they did in Kiev it doesn't fucking matter.

When the $700 billion military deploys for OPERATION PERSIAN FREEDOM and the US must come together to support their troops it doesn't matter what sort of protections the EU has pledged.
EU protections aren't worth anything. The EU actually has 5 semi-occupied terrorities.

- Half of Cyprus is still occupied by the Turks
- New EU ally Ukraine is partly occupied by Russia (I will not say half, that would be lying because it is less than half than the landmass)
- Candidate member Moldova has a Russian rebel state within its borders
- EU member Georgia is occcupied 1/5th by the Russians
- Candidate member Montenegro managed to barely prevent a Russian sponsored coup

So I'm not sure how the EU will protect anything with regards to Iran if they can't protect the territory that they actually control.

If the US was less involved in the ME and the situation were roughly what it is at this point (a series of sectarian conflicts being stoked by two rival oil-producing regional powers), would we look at it and say "hell yeah let's pick a side and get involved in this shit"?

That was mostly what it was until Clinton in between blowjobs poked the hornets nest with a cruise missile and missed.

[Mandark]

Dude.

You could save so much time and embarrassment with an "ah, I misremembered that."

[shosta]

If the US was less involved in the ME and the situation were roughly what it is at this point (a series of sectarian conflicts being stoked by two rival oil-producing regional powers), would we look at it and say "hell yeah let's pick a side and get involved in this shit"?

I think some clarification is needed. First off, I don't identify with the US, so saying "we" is nonsensical and my interests are divorced from those of the global finance monstrosity that sits on top of the American imperial system. Second of all, how I specifically feel about "what should happen" over there given the pressupposition of regimes remaining the way they are is global investment should increase, esp. from China and Russia, Iran should grow into a much larger power, and everyone becomes economically tied to everyone else so the cost of pursuing national interests becomes too high. Neoliberalism. But thirdly, I would even more prefer that, given the ME has the highest income inequality in the world and all states are effectively undemocratic corporations, that people seize the wealth and undergo a violent, pan Arab socialist revolution, sort of like what Assad Sr. or Gaddafi envisioned, but better, and without ending up as dictatorships this time.

So noting that "their" interest was in pursuing a Saudi hegemony in the middle east as a contracts maximizing and alliance hoarding goal did not mean I was advocating it, and I'm still wondering how that analysis was wrong.

[shosta]

when you're lying in bed and realize you're a Nintex and Cindi tier poster

[TEEEPO]

there's a good chance iran's about to be fucked in the ass. russia having bilateral agreements with both iran and saudia arabia as well trump and bolton being in bed with two of said countries points towards a war with iran that russia could conveniently step in and thwart gaining kudos points from the global community and in return, set up shop at the strait of hormuz as a "peacing keeping" measure. at least that's the natural direction i see things heading if we continue down this path.

[Mandark]

Favorite part is when you called KSA a "valuable arms purchaser" like it'd be hard to find someone else to buy our bombs.

Shit, Iran was buying weapons from us through Israel when they had the chance.

[Nintex]

there's a good chance iran's about to be fucked in the ass. russia having bilateral agreements with both iran and saudia arabia as well trump and bolton being in bed with two of said countries points towards a war with iran that russia could conveniently step in and thwart gaining kudos points from the global community and in return, set up shop at the strait of hormuz as a "peacing keeping" measure. at least that's the natural direction i see things heading if we continue down this path.

The Ayatollah's are done for. The most likely scenario is that Syria gets a new Russian sponsored regime and Iran gets a new Russian sponsored regime as well. The big question is 'when'.
If it happens under Trump, he kicks down the door. Bombs their palaces, gets the fuck out because he won't do nation building. Qassem Suleimani will take power and de-Islamize with Russian blessings.

This is basically what geopolitics are heading towards like anyway. In South America the US will start to play a bigger role perhaps with Bolsonaro if Venezuela finally goes down the drain.

 

[Mandark]

Also Nintex hears "the EU will protect European businesses from sanctions" and then rambles for paragraphs about how the EU couldn't stop a military invasion because he either misread the original post or literally doesn't understand the difference between war and subsidies or whatever.

Really good content, guys.

[benjipwns]

Meanwhile, in Malta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Lowell

Norman Lowell (born July 29, 1946) is a Maltese ultranationalist writer and head of the Imperium Europa, a far-right political party. He is also a qualified banker, an artist, and a martial arts expert.

The party's remit is to unite "all European natives" (i.e., European-descended peoples, but not non-European-descended immigrants born in Europe) under one flag, hence the name "Imperium Europa" (European Empire), leading to "a Europid bond forged through Spirituality closely followed by Race, nurtured through High culture, protected by High Politics, enforced by the Elite."

Lowell argues that he is "neither a Nazi nor a Fascist nor a Neo-Nazi" and that he would be "booted out of a Nazi party within five minutes" because he's "a strong libertarian", but he has, nevertheless, described Mein Kampf as "The Book" and Adolf Hitler as "The Hero," and called the Nazi Holocaust a "holy hoax".

Norman Lowell is the author of two published books, Credo: A Book for the Very Few, and Imperium Europa - A Book that Changed the World.

Norman Lowell is a dedicated artist in his own abstract style, which he labels "Dionysian Action Painting". He describes it as an ancient Greek art form based around "intoxication, frenzy, ecstasy, barbaric instincts". It captures feelings, rather than figures, and is the sublimation of the beast in man into art.

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Campaigning heavily against illegal immigrants, Lowell was the party's candidate in the 11th and 12th Districts in the March 2008 parliamentary election. He obtained 84 votes on first count from both districts, obtaining 0.03% of the overall votes.

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