Author Topic: Making a Final Fantasy thread and no one can stop me. (Finalphile Support Group) (Read 162638 times)

magus · « **Reply #240 on:** July 12, 2014, 09:43:06 PM »

i'm pretty sure mystic quest has the better plot though

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #241 on:** July 12, 2014, 09:46:25 PM »

Mystic Quest doesn't really even have a plot.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #242 on:** July 15, 2014, 03:22:18 AM »

Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest
Fainaru Fantajī Yū Esu Ē Misutikku Kuesuto
Original Release: October 5, 1992
Edition Played: SNES (Wii VC)
Time to Beat: 12 hours
Score:

/10

The good parts were the music and the dungeon design. The bad was pretty much everything else. Combat was tedious and boring. The plot was non-existent at best, and confusing at worse. People just appear and reappear out of nowhere and tell me to do stuff and I'm like "Bitch, I don't even know who you are." Spells, items, and equipment were all dumbed down to the point of not being interesting at all. Because of how limited the items were, the rewards for actually exploring the dungeons were lame (go down some side passage and fight 5 mobs to get a chest with 3 potions

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Athough legit Final Fantasy games also pull that crap.

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I had a ton of gold by the end of the game, even after buying 99 of the four total items that it lets you buy in the game. None of the bosses were challenging when you could just spam White/Meteor/Flare every turn, use your near infinite seed supply when you ran out of MP.

But saying all that, it's pretty much what I expected going in. I was curious though, I decided to give it a whirl while I was working my way through the SNES FF's. Now that it's out of the way, FF7 is up next (FF6 is on hold for the time being).

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #243 on:** July 15, 2014, 03:23:35 AM »

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #244 on:** July 15, 2014, 03:52:32 AM »

Everything amazing about FFVII is contained solely within the Midgar segment of the beginning of the game. If it had stayed in Midgar the whole game, it would have been a truly unique jRPG, not just the most popular one. The Shadow Hearts' series kinda dabbled in dystopia (as a reflection of the '10s/'20s eras) but there aren't really any that so effectively captured dystopia like Midgar. It's a nice critique of where our cities are headed toward.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #245 on:** July 15, 2014, 04:47:38 AM »

It feels like they had a super original idea with Midgar (even for the time, future dystopia wasn't an incredibly popular motif, Shadowrun et. al. aside) and then decided to reign it back and present most of the rest of the world as fairly generic wrapped up in a convoluted story about identity.

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #246 on:** July 15, 2014, 05:23:25 AM »

Midgar was the shit, rest of the game doesn't compare except 2 things:

-City of the Ancients music
-That feeling when you left Midgar and thought "DAMN this was just one town" of course rest of towns werent nearly as cool

magus · « **Reply #247 on:** July 15, 2014, 05:30:21 AM »

if i have a problem with the remaining discs is that they don't have many new location, you visit that snowy mountain at the start of disc 2 and then the rest of the game takes place in location you've already visited

that bit with junon on disc 2 is still amazing though

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #248 on:** July 15, 2014, 05:35:49 AM »

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #249 on:** July 15, 2014, 07:08:40 AM »

That would have been great as an ending you are right, just to get a whiff that this was only part of a huge world.

Up until leaving Midgar I thought the whole game would take place there.

Himu · « **Reply #250 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:15:00 AM »

Same.

Leaving midgar was a mistake. FFVII is still really good though. It's story goes batshit, but it's story pacing , humor, variety in activities, and side quests still make it a pretty damn great game. Not better than VIII of course.

demi · « **Reply #251 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:18:34 AM »

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2014, 03:23:35 AM

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PC ver :sick

magus · « **Reply #252 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:49:12 AM »

fuck it, you know what? i'm going to replay FF7 too, me and joe will be FF7 bro, he'll be the giant moogle suit to my cait sith

Himu · « **Reply #253 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:50:25 AM »

Replayed FFVII this year. Great as usual.

demi · « **Reply #254 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:55:53 AM »

I watch carnage64 on twitch speedrun FF7 every day. Granted, he often dies to Demon Wall, but still

magus · « **Reply #255 on:** July 15, 2014, 11:34:07 AM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 15, 2014, 10:50:25 AM

Replayed FFVII this year. Great as usual.

you know one thing that i absolutely love about the game is the dialogue, i always go through the tutorial even though i know everything there is to know because i find it hilarious, you go talking to 3 bodybuilder and cloud explain the game to them in the smuggest tone ever that a videogame will ever have "press L1 and R1 to escape, it's not like i will ever need it, unlike you!"

"be carefull of power outage! you don't want to lose your progress, if you do happen to lose your progress just chill down and try later" the game declares

, then a chest appear out of thin air and it's all like "i'm a chest! be on the lookout for me!" and i can't help but think "wtf? why is a treasure chest explaining stuff to me?"

modern square-enix could never remake FF7, modern square-enix is too grimdark and the least said about nomura new artwork compared to nomura old artwork, the better

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #256 on:** July 15, 2014, 01:56:42 PM »

Final Fantasy VII OST

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ZephyrFate · « **Reply #257 on:** July 15, 2014, 02:23:37 PM »

Quote from: magus on July 15, 2014, 11:34:07 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 15, 2014, 10:50:25 AM
Replayed FFVII this year. Great as usual.

you know one thing that i absolutely love about the game is the dialogue, i always go through the tutorial even though i know everything there is to know because i find it hilarious, you go talking to 3 bodybuilder and cloud explain the game to them in the smuggest tone ever that a videogame will ever have "press L1 and R1 to escape, it's not like i will ever need it, unlike you!" "be carefull of power outage! you don't want to lose your progress, if you do happen to lose your progress just chill down and try later" the game declares , then a chest appear out of thin air and it's all like "i'm a chest! be on the lookout for me!" and i can't help but think "wtf? why is a treasure chest explaining stuff to me?"

modern square-enix could never remake FF7, modern square-enix is too grimdark and the least said about nomura new artwork compared to nomura old artwork, the better

Eh, S-E still has funny writers. They're just not put on big games.

Himu · « **Reply #258 on:** July 15, 2014, 02:24:28 PM »

One thing I've never liked about post FFVII related VII products is that they are without VII's humor. It's like SE played a totally different game than the game I loved. Given their characterization of Cloud in media after VII, I'm going to bet they haven't even played the game.

Himu · « **Reply #259 on:** July 15, 2014, 02:30:29 PM »

I'm lucky (unlucky?) that they haven't done a thing with VIII. Both VIIII and VII are stereotyped as being overly serious when they're full of comedy.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #260 on:** July 15, 2014, 02:33:17 PM »

The one moment that I'll always remember about FF7 is the Palmer fight where he randomly gets run over by a truck. I almost fell out of my chair laughing.

Himu · « **Reply #261 on:** July 15, 2014, 02:35:01 PM »

SpeedStats · « **Reply #262 on:** July 15, 2014, 03:05:33 PM »

Some people say the date sequence with Barret is the funniest part of the game. While that could arguably be true for some, Palmer getting jobbed by a truck is still one of my favourite parts of an FF in post-SNES FFs.

I miss that humour so much.

Yeah, FF13-2 has Serah fangirling over Snow, and Lightning Returns has Meow-Meow-Choco-Chow (which isn't as funny), but it's not the same. :'(

Himu · « **Reply #263 on:** July 15, 2014, 03:11:01 PM »

Neither of those two XIII examples are funny to me.

FF and comedy died in X-2. X was the last main series game to have it though. I thought the lack of comedy was fine in XII, and even that had I'M BASCH VON ROSENBERG.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #264 on:** July 15, 2014, 03:11:07 PM »

As shitty as the game is, FF: All The Bravest has some of the funniest writing the company has ever done.

http://kotaku.com/5976887/if-theres-one-reason-to-play-final-fantasy-all-the-bravest-its-the-hilarious-flavor-text

also, uh, FFXIII comedy?

Sazh and a Gigantuar:

SpeedStats · « **Reply #265 on:** July 15, 2014, 03:38:37 PM »

I think that fell under forced humour to me when I went through it. :/
It's probably mostly because the game's tone was pretty serious, and by the time I got to the quest in postgame, I'd listened and read through so much text/dialogue that was serious or expanded upon the mythology that as much as I wanted to find it funny, I didn't. I think Sazh running around the casino in his FF13-2 DLC was funnier in context since that game's tone was loftier.

I'll agree with Himu in saying that the last FF that was genuinely funny to me was FFX-2, but part of that reason was because FFX-2 was not as serious in terms of tone despite dealing with political issues and a world trying to deal with ideological differences and a massive lifestyle change. You also have a trio of characters who play off of each other pretty well despite being different (one being awkward sometimes which leads to humour, one who's naturally funny/klutzy, and one who's mostly serious but can crack a joke). So when they interact, it doesn't feel as forced. Even the sometimes-awkward animations and alright scene direction can play into it too. Playing the international version has its perks because the Creature Create stories can be pretty funny because they're monsters interacting with humans in a stupid way and the script is written well.

FF12's humour comes out of quips or a character trying to be genuine even if it looks pretty stupid (ex: I'M CAPTAIN BASCH, "How old is Fran again!?"). And it still meshes well without feeling like it doesn't jive as well with the rest of the game's tone.

I'd go through FF:ATB again because the flavour text as okay, but it crashes upon startup now and even then that's not a major loss because it was free.

Honestly, it's been interesting going from Lightning Returns right back to playing FF5. FF5 gets really serious, but it still retains that humorous tone it had at the beginning of the game even while you're doing endgame sidequests, and the humour feels organic because the characters (well, Bartz, Faris, and Galuf in particular) are less-inclined to treat everything seriously as opposed to the character you control in LR.

Himu · « **Reply #266 on:** July 15, 2014, 03:39:19 PM »

A secret boss counts as FF comedy now.

If we're talking about the main series only, I'd say X was the last humorous FF game. XII had its moments, but as said, they were sparse, and mostly one-liners. XIII was a complete dud in this category. Haven't played LR or 13-2 but I doubt it's not forced.

The funniest thing in 13 was Hope trying to kill Snow.

And this.

Himu · « **Reply #267 on:** July 15, 2014, 03:47:19 PM »

WORST BIRTHDAY EVER

I can't find the version of that with a laugh track. SOMEONE HELP.

SpeedStats · « **Reply #268 on:** July 15, 2014, 04:08:08 PM »

I thought Hope trying to kill Snow was the best part of FF13, though. >_>

Himu · « **Reply #269 on:** July 15, 2014, 04:11:07 PM »

magus · « **Reply #270 on:** July 15, 2014, 05:31:06 PM »

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One thing I've never liked about post FFVII related VII products is that they are without VII's humor. It's like SE played a totally different game than the game I loved. Given their characterization of Cloud in media after VII, I'm going to bet they haven't even played the game.

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Haven't played LR or 13-2 but I doubt it's not forced.

yeah look how funny LR is

"CRAWLING IN MY SKINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN"

Himu · « **Reply #271 on:** July 15, 2014, 05:46:15 PM »

Why the fuck is Cloud brooding post VII? Cloud in Kingdom Hearts for instance makes me seethe. Cloud never broods in VII. And he's only about himself for all of five minutes.

It's funny because they nailed the essence of Squall - loner, who still cares for his friends, dark sense of humor, slightly brooding but still able to crack a joke, natural leader - more than Cloud and Cloud is their most popular character.

magus · « **Reply #272 on:** July 15, 2014, 06:05:48 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 15, 2014, 05:46:15 PM

Why the fuck is Cloud brooding post VII? Cloud in Kingdom Hearts for instance makes me seethe. Cloud never broods in VII. And he's only about himself for all of five minutes.

It's funny because they nailed the essence of Squall - loner, who still cares for his friends, dark sense of humor, slightly brooding but still able to crack a joke, natural leader - more than Cloud and Cloud is their most popular character.

because AERIS/TH DIES!!1!!1!

also it's a lot easier having a character brood all the time than actualy writing dialogue for him

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #273 on:** July 15, 2014, 07:49:36 PM »

Creating HD dialogue is hard.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #274 on:** July 15, 2014, 08:00:57 PM »

I find Snow pretty funny/entertaining in general tbh

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #275 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:07:05 PM »

FF7's humor is a result of a wacky collection of developers and designers for the time as well as it being an expansive, expensive, and at the time new format to work on. They could do a lot more with 3D than they could with 2D. But the humor in FF7 ranges from homophobic to awkward and wouldn't translate well to modern times.

Himu · « **Reply #276 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:10:44 PM »

Homophobic? You're reaching, mate.

Naw. FFVII has RedXIII trying to stand up on two legs while in a military uniform and Barret in a sailor suit. FFVII is hilarious.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #277 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:15:22 PM »

he means the bodybuilder gym

Himu · « **Reply #278 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:18:03 PM »

The gym was homophobic? Those guys relished in that shit, big bro. They like dressing up as girls, but everyone in town really doesn't give a fuck. I'm not seeing the homophobia?

Himu · « **Reply #279 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:26:06 PM »

The humor in V, VI, and VII are all pretty similar but VII is in its own special place. Was definitely VIII when the humor went in another direction. But then it had Laguna, as well as Seifer making fun of Squall going through puberty. But it, IX and X don't nearly reach the absurdity of a scientist trying to make a red haired talking wolf mate with the last surviving member of an ancient race or a talking puppet who speaks through a fucking microphone broadcasted by a dude somewhere across the world.

VII takes the extremes of older FF comedy and just runs with it. What an odd, fucked up, hilarious piece of software.

demi · « **Reply #280 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:30:24 PM »

carn is running FF7 right now if you'd rather watch videogames than play them

twitch.tv/carnage64

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #281 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:34:10 PM »

You forgot the rape in the Honeybee Inn so fast?

Himu · « **Reply #282 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:39:12 PM »

Which one? Hot tub where cloud counts? Or the one where he has a mako seizure and wakes up on a bed? Because there's nothing to indicate that he was raped in the latter, and he definitely wasn't raped in the former.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #283 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:44:54 PM »

There is definitely an insinuation that he was raped by homosexual bodybuilders in that hotel. I'm pretty sure everyone infers this to be true at this point

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #284 on:** July 15, 2014, 09:46:05 PM »

He wakes up with a dude on top of him after a fade to black smh

Himu · « **Reply #285 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:01:21 PM »

The guy is on top of him because Cloud passed out, and he's slapping Cloud to wake up. The only thing that could be suggested as rape are the sound effects during the black out. Stuff like, thump...pound..thump..pound, and Cloud's HP being restored. But Cloud wakes up with an,"OW!" basically, no one knows what's going on in that scene, and it'd probably be homophobia in itself to infer rape.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #286 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:07:54 PM »

we were supposed to laugh at them cuz they were poofy touchy shirtless gay dudes

oops this post was meant for like 30 min ago

Himu · « **Reply #287 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:09:58 PM »

I laughed at them because they're fighting over a wig, but that is definitely homophobia.

Also, while I wouldn't say Cloud was raped, he was definitely molested in that bath tub.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #288 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:24:04 PM »

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #289 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:44:52 PM »

It was rape, but it wasn't rape-rape.

Positive Touch · « **Reply #290 on:** July 15, 2014, 10:57:29 PM »

also i should point out that playing mystic quest but skipping 6 is a crime against all humanity

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #291 on:** July 15, 2014, 11:15:18 PM »

Quote from: Big Jumbo on July 15, 2014, 10:57:29 PM

also i should point out that playing mystic quest but skipping 6 is a crime against all humanity

Send me your copy and I will correct this immediately.

demi · « **Reply #292 on:** July 15, 2014, 11:15:23 PM »

I'm sure he would if he could find a good deal on a copy. Hmmm....

Himu · « **Reply #293 on:** July 15, 2014, 11:17:06 PM »

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2014, 11:15:18 PM

Quote from: Big Jumbo on July 15, 2014, 10:57:29 PM
also i should point out that playing mystic quest but skipping 6 is a crime against all humanity

Send me your copy and I will correct this immediately.

I have FFVIa sitting right next to me. Want it?

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #294 on:** July 15, 2014, 11:32:12 PM »

Yessssss.

How much you want for it?

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #295 on:** July 15, 2014, 11:36:07 PM »

demi · « **Reply #296 on:** July 15, 2014, 11:44:44 PM »

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2014, 11:32:12 PM

Yessssss. (Image removed from quote.) How much you want for it?

Send me a shirtless and I will send you my copy.

Lucretius · « **Reply #297 on:** July 16, 2014, 01:59:53 AM »

The Hildibrand quests in FFXIV ARR are probably the funniest things I've ever seen in a FF game. And new ones keep coming with every major patch. If you're not going to play FFXIV then YouTube the Hildibrand cutscenes.

I really hope Hildebrand becomes a recurring character in future FF games kind if like Cid and Gilgamesh.

ZephyrFate · « **Reply #298 on:** July 16, 2014, 03:47:35 AM »

FFXIV has outstanding writing. I wish it wasn't hidden behind a paywall.

an FFXIV LP with good commentators would be really great. Anyone got any recommendations?

magus · « **Reply #299 on:** July 16, 2014, 06:47:53 AM »

gay rape by big burly muscle man is clearly a form of art you guys don't understand!

...

in all seriousness japan seems to have a beef with culturist

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3617882&pagenumber=13#post431383230
http://www.hardcoregaming101.net/choaniki/choaniki.htm

or at least it had when japan was about being quirky and silly

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