Bill Nye vs. Ken Hamm science vs. caveman superstition debate thread

[doctavius bonbon]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=99843419&postcount=3020

 

Kinitari's patience in responding to awful posts like these never ceases to amaze me.  such a cool dude.

[benjipwns]

Some people just can't handle that there's a higher power than themselves and that he's created and guided everything to its modern state. So they come up with these cockandbull stories about how things just happen exactly how they should without anyone all knowing above us planning it out ahead of time.

Then they want to call this arrogance "science" so that people who don't look into its endless contradictions just accept it as right. Not once do they stop and think that maybe all this "evidence" they claim to see is just what God wants them to see. The idea that the fossils and stuff are being put there for "scientists" to find never even crosses their mind because they're so caught up in how much smarter they are than the divine.

[Phoenix Dark]

I don't think most ID scientists see it that way. They want to know how god created things, what laws he put in place, etc. Certainly the founders of many pillars of astrology, science, etc - most of whom were deists or Catholics - weren't content to just say "god did it" and move on.

Yep. I'd say most major religions had a fairly strong scientific association in the past. Even ones people might not expect, like Islam. Its when they budged the line of damaging the metaphysics of their religions like Galileo did where shit went south.

Alas now aggressive scientists like Nye have taken the place of the Catholic church, telling scientists what they can't do/think

[DCharlieJP]

Perhaps now you can explain cancer, and how God put that shit in place for our own perfect, intelligently designed benefit, Dick Tracy.

i can answer this one ! At my pre-marriage cana that i had to do ,because i promised my mother in law i'd marry her daughter in a catholic church , the priest who ran it told me that cancer exists because of sin - moreover if there was no sin, there would be no cancer. So if we want to cure cancer everyone just has to stop sinning.

My wife had to prevent me from walking out when he then went on to say "and miscarriages are caused because one of the partners doesn't love the unborn child enough"

Grade A fucking arseholes who know fucking nothing. With that sort of flimsy linkage, here's another one for your troll list : child rape wouldn't exist if it wasn't for fucking priests.


edit: oh yeah - and on the day of my marriage just before the service - he took me into a room and told me he could tell that i was a weak and pitiful person filled with lies and deceit... oh and please don't use confetti and the recommended donation to the church is 200,000 yen. Have a nice wedding. At least i was over the raping age... :/
 

[Damian79]

Yeah, catholics, they generally have have no clue what their book says on any matter.  That is why i went away from Catholicism to evangelical/protestantism because atleast they try to stay true to their books.

[Phoenix Dark]

[Himu]

 There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold and she's buying a stairway to heaven

[Rufus]

But I don't want to be a stair.

[helios]

But I don't want to be a stair.

You're not just a stair, you're a staircase

[Rufus]

Nah, too pompous. How about we meet in the middle and say stairs?

[helios]

Nah, too pompous. How about we meet in the middle and say stairs?

I'll take that.

[chronovore]

I believe it is called biomimicry.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomimicry

Earliest example is Leonardo Davinci, He was most likely a Christian.

DaVinci was a Christian in an era when not being Christian was unthinkable. What's your point? He was also gay, if many biographers are correct. That is irreconcilable with the Christianity of that era.

Biomimicry is not exclusive to ID, and is a fascinating way of exploring potential solutions. The problem with the ID perspective is that to start from the perspective that the object to be emulated is at its endpoint, rather than a potentially in-progress object, and a starting point from which improvements are not only possible, but inevitable, given a long enough timeline.

[chronovore]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/messages-from-creationists-to-people-who-believe-in-evolutio

http://imgur.com/gallery/PbBTk

[Damian79]

DaVinci was a Christian in an era when not being Christian was unthinkable. What's your point? He was also gay, if many biographers are correct. That is irreconcilable with the Christianity of that era.

Not really, that era Christianity is quite different to today's Christianity.  He wasnt allowed to read the book remember.

Biomimicry is not exclusive to ID, and is a fascinating way of exploring potential solutions. The problem with the ID perspective is that to start from the perspective that the object to be emulated is at its endpoint, rather than a potentially in-progress object, and a starting point from which improvements are not only possible, but inevitable, given a long enough timeline.

I agree and disagree with this.  Like sonar is still superior in animals than in subs etc. iirc.  I think it is better to get on par with the wild than try to improve it without getting things that are on par with it.

[Rufus]

...Why?

[Positive Touch]

you guys going back and forth with damien in this thread is so fitting

[chronovore]

Naw, I'm done. The last response was a non-starter, so I'm out.

[Dickie Dee]

Biomimicry is not exclusive to ID, and is a fascinating way of exploring potential solutions. The problem with the ID perspective is that to start from the perspective that the object to be emulated is at its endpoint, rather than a potentially in-progress object, and a starting point from which improvements are not only possible, but inevitable, given a long enough timeline.

I agree and disagree with this.  Like sonar is still superior in animals than in subs etc. iirc.  I think it is better to get on par with the wild than try to improve it without getting things that are on par with it.

[Human Snorenado]

And we wonder why he's a ninthing

[Damian79]

Biomimicry is not exclusive to ID, and is a fascinating way of exploring potential solutions. The problem with the ID perspective is that to start from the perspective that the object to be emulated is at its endpoint, rather than a potentially in-progress object, and a starting point from which improvements are not only possible, but inevitable, given a long enough timeline.

I agree and disagree with this.  Like sonar is still superior in animals than in subs etc. iirc.  I think it is better to get on par with the wild than try to improve it without getting things that are on par with it.

http://phys.org/news/2011-05-ear-sonar.html

Thats is the best i could find on it.  We are still trying to emulate bat sonar.  There is also an article on echolocation in newer subs that was made in 2009 but i can find it.  :/

[Damian79]

...Why?

I wrote that wrong.  I mean instead of trying to improve on something, get it on par first then improve it.

[Positive Touch]

you can stop now

[Damian79]

[CatsCatsCats]

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/02/evolution-in-real-time/

Found this article pretty interesting, especially that the bacteria evolved into a possible new species capable of using a different food source

[Rufus]

I hate that I know the creationist retort to this. Micro-evolution, not macro-evolution, bla bla bla.