Author Topic: Haven't seen any of the MS crew pimping IE lately... (Read 18502 times)

Himu · « **Reply #120 on:** April 30, 2014, 03:17:21 PM »

With today's internet speeds it seems silly to gauge browsers by speed. I judge today's browser by features. Chrome has a lot of feautres and add ons like ad block plus that you cannot use on IE. Never mind, better security, better email integration (I use Gmail), and app and extension support. It isn't even close. Who cares if it takes ie 2 seconds faster to load a page if it has crap security, crap feature set, crap customization?

Raban · « **Reply #121 on:** April 30, 2014, 03:36:46 PM »

different people expect different things from browsers. As someone who grew up using 56k internet, I'm tired of looking at the about:blank page for any period of time waiting for a page to load. Considering how much time I spend browsing the internet, those seconds or fractions of a second add up into a shitload of time where I'm doing the virtual equivalent of waiting at a stoplight. Fuck that noise.

In any case, my post was a response to Oscar's comments about speed, not the customizability of the browser. But I guess you can't sleep at night if every single one of your posts isn't about you.

Himu · « **Reply #122 on:** April 30, 2014, 03:43:53 PM »

"As someone who grew up with 56k internet" like everyone here didn't grow up with 56k internet

at the rest of the post though especially the last sentence

Madrun Badrun · « **Reply #123 on:** April 30, 2014, 03:54:06 PM »

I never had 56k, you old girl

Himu · « **Reply #124 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:24:52 PM »

I'd like to talk about my internet childhood experience but that will make the conversation about myself.

Also, all those 0's.

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #125 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:26:43 PM »

IE 11 touch mode is pretty great, it's my favorite of the tablet browsers I've used. I'm surprised no one's ripped off the awesome "swipe right to page back" gesture yet.

Safari

Himu · « **Reply #126 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:30:35 PM »

Swipe to page back sounds more work than clicking a back page. How does it work?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #127 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:36:29 PM »

shout outs to everyone who downloaded porn on 56k connections

Kazaa

Himu · « **Reply #128 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:38:34 PM »

Morpheus

Himu · « **Reply #129 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:40:19 PM »

Audio Galaxy

Eel O'Brian · « **Reply #130 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:40:59 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 30, 2014, 06:30:35 PM

Swipe to page back sounds more work than clicking a back page. How does it work?

You...swipe your finger to the right to go to the previous page.

Tasty · « **Reply #131 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:42:41 PM »

Mininova

Himu · « **Reply #132 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:42:51 PM »

I'm not sure what the benefit over pressing the back button is but then I haven't tried it.

Tasty · « **Reply #133 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:48:28 PM »

I thought it was hentai but it was yaoi

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Changed my life.

[close]

Himu · « **Reply #134 on:** April 30, 2014, 06:48:56 PM »

Yaoi...is hentai

Positive Touch · « **Reply #135 on:** April 30, 2014, 07:09:49 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on April 30, 2014, 06:20:01 PM

I would have killed to grow up with 56k Internet. I mean, technically, I grew up with *no* Internet, but my teen years were mostly 14400. I remember finally getting a 28800 in high school and being like "oh shiii the speeeed".

Okay now it's chronovore's turn

getting cussed out by mom because you dared to download a file and waste precious minutes of your monthly five hour connection time

Himu · « **Reply #136 on:** April 30, 2014, 07:18:53 PM »

THE STRUGGLE

we've made it, guys

Himu · « **Reply #137 on:** April 30, 2014, 07:27:26 PM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on April 30, 2014, 07:03:47 PM

Browser speed is very important to me because my computer is a giant pile of shit. I think for add-ons I only use Adblock.

Cool. If you've got a slower computer, I'd definitely suggest not using chrome because it creates multiple versions of itself, which uses up a bit more ram.

Himu · « **Reply #138 on:** April 30, 2014, 07:39:49 PM »

Hell if I know, dude. I guess try Opera again? Or FF? I wouldn't go with IE especially with this "leak" news coming out.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #139 on:** April 30, 2014, 08:23:00 PM »

Opera is probably your best bet. FF is a memory hog too. IE is obviously a non-starter.

Rufus · « **Reply #140 on:** April 30, 2014, 08:49:08 PM »

Yeah, Chronovore, tell us about your carrier pidgeons.

Fuck, didn't see that there's another page.

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #141 on:** April 30, 2014, 10:22:41 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 30, 2014, 06:38:34 PM

Morpheus

When Morpheus came out, and I downloaded it at school where I could get ~100kb/s download speeds, it was like

Himu · « **Reply #142 on:** April 30, 2014, 10:49:07 PM »

Man, I remember the first time I got broadband. I got 50 kb/s to dl a Naruto episode in 2003 - that was ten years ago.

Now I get 2-4 mb/s on Steam and don't bat an eye.

The little thangs.

Kara · « **Reply #143 on:** April 30, 2014, 11:06:55 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 30, 2014, 06:40:19 PM

Audio Galaxy

CuteFTP

Himu · « **Reply #144 on:** April 30, 2014, 11:13:42 PM »

Ahahaha is FTP still a thing? It was the thing to do back in the day before torrents really took off.

Ah. The days of being a college freshman and setting up my own FTP for friends to leech.

chronovore · « **Reply #145 on:** May 01, 2014, 01:08:45 AM »

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on April 30, 2014, 06:20:01 PM

I would have killed to grow up with 56k Internet. I mean, technically, I grew up with *no* Internet, but my teen years were mostly 14400. I remember finally getting a 28800 in high school and being like "oh shiii the speeeed".

Okay now it's chronovore's turn

Quote from: Rufus on April 30, 2014, 08:49:08 PM

Yeah, Chronovore, tell us about your carrier pidgeons.

Fuck, didn't see that there's another page.

OK, OK. I must succumb to the temptation: 300 baud or bust, baby. That was where I personally started. I think it was an external modem; thing ran really hot.

chronovore · « **Reply #146 on:** May 01, 2014, 01:12:08 AM »

Quote from: Eel O'Brian on April 30, 2014, 06:26:43 PM

IE 11 touch mode is pretty great, it's my favorite of the tablet browsers I've used. I'm surprised no one's ripped off the awesome "swipe right to page back" gesture yet.

Safari

What the what-what, Eel? Safari has had this for ages.

The weird part is that it's NOT SUPPORTED on iOS, only OS X.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #147 on:** May 01, 2014, 01:35:30 AM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 30, 2014, 10:49:07 PM

Man, I remember the first time I got broadband. I got 50 kb/s to dl a Naruto episode in 2003 - that was ten years ago.

Now I get 2-4 mb/s on Steam and don't bat an eye.

The little thangs.

I used to think that downloading Grandia OST mp3s and SNES ROMs at 3KB/s was the most amazing thing ever.

Momo · « **Reply #148 on:** May 01, 2014, 08:20:27 AM »

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 30, 2014, 08:23:00 PM

Opera is probably your best bet. FF is a memory hog too. IE is obviously a non-starter.

Opera isnt an alternate to Chrome anymore, it pretty much is Chrome.

a slime appears · « **Reply #149 on:** May 01, 2014, 08:46:23 AM »

I remember being a small little kid on Prodigy when it first started on a 1200 baud modem. I played MindMaze when it came out and spent my alloted computer time reading up on the world. :'(

Now I've got FiOS and Firefox!

Tasty · « **Reply #150 on:** May 01, 2014, 11:00:58 AM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on April 30, 2014, 07:27:26 PM

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on April 30, 2014, 07:03:47 PM
Browser speed is very important to me because my computer is a giant pile of shit. I think for add-ons I only use Adblock.

Cool. If you've got a slower computer, I'd definitely suggest not using chrome because it creates multiple versions of itself, which uses up a bit more ram.

This must be the most hilarious way of saying it spawns new processes per tab group I've seen.

You make it sounds like Multiple Man or something.

MCD · « **Reply #151 on:** May 01, 2014, 01:24:47 PM »

http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_blog/archive/2014/05/01/updating-internet-explorer-and-driving-security.aspx

fud patched.

Raban · « **Reply #152 on:** May 01, 2014, 01:41:51 PM »

IE wins again

Joe Molotov · « **Reply #153 on:** May 01, 2014, 04:10:27 PM »

Quote

The reality is there have been a very small number of attacks based on this particular vulnerability and concerns were, frankly, overblown. Unfortunately this is a sign of the times

Andrex annihilated.

Tasty · « **Reply #154 on:** May 01, 2014, 04:22:50 PM »

A zero day is pretty bad no matter how much you try to downplay it.

Of course, if they're referring to the fact that 26% of people (and dropping) outside China even use IE at all anymore, then sure, the concerns were overblown. Maybe Microsoft is secretly hoping people abandon IE so they can keep taking their sweet time fixing critical security issues.

How long did it take this time? Four days? How pathetic. But I guess when all the good engineers have jumped ship to other companies this is all we can expect.

Momo · « **Reply #155 on:** May 01, 2014, 04:27:11 PM »

Microsoft should just accept the L on IE at this point and put the money into making their own chromium browser or rebranding and reskinning the thing (IE) to be so far away from IE that people think its new. IE has very negative brand baggage

Tasty · « **Reply #156 on:** May 01, 2014, 04:31:02 PM »

Quote from: Momo on May 01, 2014, 04:27:11 PM

Microsoft should just accept the L on IE at this point and put the money into making their own chromium browser or rebranding and reskinning the thing (IE) to be so far away from IE that people think its new. IE has very negative brand baggage

Well, to be fair, that stupid blue E and the IE name pretty much ARE the internet for old people and the tech-illiterate. Just gotta wait for them to die out I guess.

Himu · « **Reply #157 on:** May 01, 2014, 04:32:31 PM »

Even if MS made a new browser and scrapped IE, I'm sure no one would use it. Much like with Bing, Windows Phone, Surface;etc MS has shown tremendous lack of ability to sell tech to the masses. I think MS' name is tainted at this point unless it has Windows, Office, or Xbox name on it and two of those things (Windows, Xbox) have had terrible press recently.

Himu · « **Reply #158 on:** May 01, 2014, 04:33:35 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 01, 2014, 04:31:02 PM

Quote from: Momo on May 01, 2014, 04:27:11 PM
Microsoft should just accept the L on IE at this point and put the money into making their own chromium browser or rebranding and reskinning the thing (IE) to be so far away from IE that people think its new. IE has very negative brand baggage

Well, to be fair, that stupid blue E and the IE name pretty much ARE the internet for old people and the tech-illiterate. Just gotta wait for them to die out I guess.

Not really true. Even my dad - who was very resistant to any non-IE browser for the longest - now uses chrome.

Tasty · « **Reply #159 on:** May 01, 2014, 04:36:18 PM »

I got my parents to switch to Chrome (and Gmail) pretty easily which made family tech support about 80% easier, but my efforts to convert my grandparents have not been as successful.

I did get Chromebooks for my mom and grandma, maybe that's the best roundabout way to do it.

Himu · « **Reply #160 on:** May 01, 2014, 04:39:25 PM »

My mom uses IE still but she no longer uses Outlook Express so no more tech support for me.

thank fuck for webmail and smart phones that receive email.

Tasty · « **Reply #161 on:** May 01, 2014, 04:40:56 PM »

Fuck yeah

Outlook

Native mail clients

Himu · « **Reply #162 on:** May 01, 2014, 04:44:56 PM »

Seems to me getting parents to stop asking tech support questions after dropping MS products is a nice coincidence.

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #163 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:17:38 PM »

giving up on ie would basically mean giving up on Windows - a very high % of people's time on pcs is spent in a web browser, so if the browser they're using doesn't bother to support a new windows feature (which for third-party browsers is frequently the case), it may as well not exist. For a recent example look at high-dpi support - chrome on windows sux at this, ie has good support, but I see reviews of high-dpi windows laptops cite chrome as exhibit a that "windows has poor high-dpi support"

Note if third-party browsers implement better support for windows features to compete with ie, that's actually good for MS - they make their money off of windows, they don't make any money from ie directly. We saw this with ie9's support for hardware acceleration for canvas and svg and such - the third-party browsers put a lot of effort into catching up, and at least for a while graphics performance across all the browsers was better on Windows than other os (I'm not sure if this is still the case)

Raban · « **Reply #164 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:20:55 PM »

I must say, recursive is a worthy addition to team MS on this board. Cheers, friend

Himu · « **Reply #165 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:24:41 PM »

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on May 01, 2014, 07:17:38 PM

giving up on ie would basically mean giving up on Windows - a very high % of people's time on pcs is spent in a web browser, so if the browser they're using doesn't bother to support a new windows feature (which for third-party browsers is frequently the case), it may as well not exist. For a recent example look at high-dpi support - chrome on windows sux at this, ie has good support, but I see reviews of high-dpi windows laptops cite chrome as exhibit a that "windows has poor high-dpi support"

Note if third-party browsers implement better support for windows features to compete with ie, that's actually good for MS - they make their money off of windows, they don't make any money from ie directly. We saw this with ie9's support for hardware acceleration for canvas and svg and such - the third-party browsers put a lot of effort into catching up, and at least for a while graphics performance across all the browsers was better on Windows than other os (I'm not sure if this is still the case)

Slow phase IE out, then while replacing it with a new browser. So few people use IE as it is, that no one will notice.

MCD · « **Reply #166 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:27:05 PM »

watch ff/chrome play catch up to metro ie in a few years.

Himu · « **Reply #167 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:28:33 PM »

Stop trying to make Metro happen.

It isn't going to happen.

MCD · « **Reply #168 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:32:12 PM »

touch is the future. you can't stop it.

chronovore · « **Reply #169 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:34:41 PM »

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on May 01, 2014, 04:32:31 PM

Even if MS made a new browser and scrapped IE, I'm sure no one would use it. Much like with Bing, Windows Phone, Surface;etc MS has shown tremendous lack of ability to sell tech to the masses. I think MS' name is tainted at this point unless it has Windows, Office, or Xbox name on it and two of those things (Windows, Xbox) have had terrible press recently.

And what about the just-rolls-off-the-tongue naming sensibility of "Windows for Internet of Things"?

Himu · « **Reply #170 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:37:45 PM »

Quote from: MCD on May 01, 2014, 07:32:12 PM

touch is the future. you can't stop it.

Eh, not really. Touch won't be the future for design, for example. Nor coding. Or other industries.

And there will be much better touch interfaces than metro.

So again, it's not going to happen.

Quote from: chronovore on May 01, 2014, 07:34:41 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on May 01, 2014, 04:32:31 PM
Even if MS made a new browser and scrapped IE, I'm sure no one would use it. Much like with Bing, Windows Phone, Surface;etc MS has shown tremendous lack of ability to sell tech to the masses. I think MS' name is tainted at this point unless it has Windows, Office, or Xbox name on it and two of those things (Windows, Xbox) have had terrible press recently.

And what about the just-rolls-off-the-tongue naming sensibility of "Windows for Internet of Things"?

Worst marketing team for any big corporation in America today. Just complete :flabbynsick Will be surprised if MS has half of the business it gets now in 2024.

Himu · « **Reply #171 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:40:43 PM »

MS as a company in non-Office related products:

MCD · « **Reply #172 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:43:41 PM »

i'm talking about metro ie. not the whole windows os. touch browsing is already the future thanks to mobile. industry folks can make do with their industry standard shit and code touch apps for the rest of the world.

Himu · « **Reply #173 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:46:30 PM »

You were talking about Metro. You said nothing of IE. Mobile browsing is the future, but browsing isn't the only thing you can do on a computer.

Touch may be the future, but the future is not Metro.

MCD · « **Reply #174 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:50:15 PM »

I said metro ie up there.

and regarding ms and software, windows phone is the best piece of software they made since clippy: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/windows-phone-8-1-review-a-magnificent-smartphone-platform/

Himu · « **Reply #175 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:54:02 PM »

Eh. I fell for that before. Sometimes MS strikes gold and delivers a high quality product (i.e. Zune, OG Xbox) but it quickly falls to the way side because it's deemed as a failure. Happened to me too many times to get invested in another MS product ever again. Even good and commercially viable MS products (Windows 7) are quickly dropped. Meanwhile, Apple has used OSX for like ten years. Not that I'd use OSX over Windows, because I'm not a macuser.

As for Metroid IE, yeah you're right. My bad.

MCD · « **Reply #176 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:56:06 PM »

the core is solid. it's just the apps problem.

i will drop my ms faggotry the sec they drop windows phone.

Tasty · « **Reply #177 on:** May 01, 2014, 07:57:38 PM »

"Metro is the future"

Except Mozilla was making a full on Metro mode for Firefox, took one look at Metro user numbers, and then scrapped the whole thing.

MiCroDick annihilated

Himu · « **Reply #178 on:** May 01, 2014, 08:02:28 PM »

Quote from: MCD on May 01, 2014, 07:56:06 PM

the core is solid. it's just the apps problem.

i will drop my ms faggotry the sec they drop windows phone.

Zune HD was superior in about every way to the iPod Touch as an mp3 player and it still bombed because it was never a relevant product. I know all of two people with Windows phones irl (Mupepe and a girlfriend). You may think me bringing up Zune HD isn't pertinent, but it ties wholly into Windows Phone's problem: lack of app support. At least, unlike Zune HD, Windows Phone can USE apps. That app problem is what is keeping it from getting off the ground, because apps are everything in today's phone world.

Here's what will happen.

MS will continue to try push out Windows Phone. It will continue to be a technical and hardware prodigy that no one buys because it doesn't have what the average consumer wants. MS will phase it out or outright kill it. Then they will release another phone, and it will be - again - another product not in line in modern consumer sensibilities with technically proficient hardware. Repeat, ad nauseum.

MCD · « **Reply #179 on:** May 01, 2014, 08:03:15 PM »

you really think they won't be back? don't be naïve, andy.

@himu, they just made WP license free for OEMs. this is probably the last stand.

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Author Topic: Haven't seen any of the MS crew pimping IE lately... (Read 18502 times)