1,000+ Pages of NeoGAF: The Story of Wasted Lives and Hardcore Salt

[benjipwns]

some eulogy for the king of tl;dr

A Black Falcon isn't currently banned.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I have mixed feelings on the whole Mumei thing.
Firstly I think GAF is too far gone for it to make any difference.  I mean even riskychris would be like "Whoa guys chill out." a long time ago.
I think he's well intentioned but has let himself go too far into the rabbit hole.

I remember one thread where I dared say that getting pass out drunk in public was a bad idea and even more so around people you didn't know. He took it to PM saying "I thought you were cool." and chastized me for perpetuating rape culture.
The reason I brought it up is because I used to work with male rape victims and one guy I worked with got raped when he was pass out drunk. And I'd go with him to these speeches he'd give about drinking responsibly and he'd just get it thrown in his face when he'd bring up the rape thing. When really the guy was just saying be on your guard. Of course all that didn't matter, because I dared say something out of his expected line I was practically dead to him.

I also make the joke of "give a list of 20 books" but that's not really a joke. I remember one thread he listed (I counted) exactly 22 books that everyone should read on this one very specific subject. It just boggled my mind. I don't have 22 books about a single subject let alone a very specific one. Like I have more than 22 books on history, but I don't have 22 books on Northwestern Chinese Horsemanship in the 12th century.. It seems to me if you're willing to read yourself that deeply with one skew you've lost touch with how the average person sees it and a little out of touch with reality and put yourself into the ivory tower.

Reminds me of when I met one of my techy heroes at a conference and he was giving this speech that was all wonderful and all but so disconnected with how reality actually worked in businesses and government, and painfully so. I mean anyone with even a year's experience would be like "That's nice but we live in the real world." I saw that he had spent so much time reading about technology and writing about it, that he had this imaginary world where it was as he read and wrote and had lost touch with how it is and anyone pointing to the contrary were just dumb people who didn't understand.

[benjipwns]

Recommending that many books also does little except back your street cred. You want one or two good books that line up strong with your position, and then maybe three or four others that are close or expand on various areas. And it's best if they all of different levels, not all academic, not all casual.

If you need 20+ books before you can even begin to discuss a subject "acceptably" then your subject is probably approaching some kind of postmodern singularity.

[benjipwns]

On the other hand maybe I should start posting lists of 40+ anarchist/libertarian tracts and demanding people read all of them before pretending they can discuss the legitimacy of the state.

[/r/neofeg]

drunk shitposting. disregard 

[/r/neofeg]

drunk shitposting. disregard 

[ZephyrFate]

holy shit that was a waste of time to post either of those two things

[dmj]

i haven't been paying attention, but why was Mumei demodded?

Because The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much, and God has never forsaken his people 

[ZephyrFate]

Kind of an unfortunate, ironic way for Mumei to get demodded given that he used to be pretty cool-headed and erudite.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=109457734&postcount=128
There's one of the book lists.

Another from LGBTetc. thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146506043&postcount=15503


And from the Trans thread:

Hiya, TransGAF. I finished a really fascinating book called Just One Of The Guys? Transgender Men and the Persistence of Gender Inequality today. It was particularly enlightening because it helped explain some of what appeared to be inconsistencies in explanations of what being transgender means (that is, some explanations seemed to reify the gender binary; other explanations seemed to deconstruct it and I wasn't able to reconcile them). And the historical overview of perspectives from the gender clinic era (1960s - 1980s) which pathologized transsexuals to the rise of transgender activism and the queering of the binary in the 1990s to the emphasis on biological diversity; arguing for gender variance in the same way lgb advocates have argued for variance in sexual orientation. Anyway, it turns out that some of the explanations I'd read before were centered around outdated assumptions of the gender clinic period.

But it primarily is a study of the work experiences of a group of transmen, which it uses to talk about the social practice of gender, how even trans men [who are white, pass as men, and educated] benefit from the masculine dividend, and helps explain why trans men often see benefits and why trans women are much more likely to see losses or resistance. It's too complicated to sum up, and for me a lot of it was confirmation rather than revelation but it was nice to see it summarized and particularly to have the "intimate" connections between the marginalization of transgender people, women, and homosexuals laid out so clearly.

Definitely recommend for anyone looking for something to read on the subject.

It's really great. It touches on things that aren't necessarily the focus, but that I found enlightening, like this from the conclusion:

While people may experience expectations of masculinity and femininity as oppressive in some situations, having a feeling of coherence among bodies, personal genders, and social genders can be a major reward for doing gender the "right" way (J. Butler 1989). Showing this pleasure, even feminists have written volumes about the embodied sense of being female, such as the "profoundly physical pleasure of suckling a baby" (D. Smith 2009, 76). Yet feminist theory relegates transwomen to the position of appropriating, rather than embodying, femaleness (J. Butler 2004; Serano 2007). This distinction is hardly unsurprising, as cisgender women write the bulk of feminist theory. From a cisgender yardstick, transgender experiences of gender are inauthentic. Sociology of gender supports this frame by holding on to "sex" as the biological distinctions between males and females (chromosomes, reproductive systems, genitalia), and "gender" as the cultural meaning put onto these differences. This explanation stabilizes a male/female binary as authentic and real - a conceptualization that does not hold up under empirical evidence (Fausto-Sterling 2000; Kessler 1998) - and reifies biological essentialism feminist scholars have long disavowed (De Beauvoir 1953; Chodorow 1978; Mitchell 1966; Hartmann 1979). This need to separate transgender people's experiences with gender from "natural" experiences suggests there is something meaningful to many feminist scholars about the feeling of innate sex/gender coherence. Perhaps the problem with doing gender as a theory is not the focus on accountability but the lack of focus on the pleasure that can come from experiencing this coherence. I acknowledge this pleasure not to normalize it but rather to illustrate why natural differences schemas have proved so intractable in the face of major societal changes in what men and women can do.

Reflecting these major changes, gender theorists today seem to stumble over the best way to represent men and women's experiences without naturalizing a male/masculine and female/feminine model. Gender scholarship that crosses my desk for review often suffers from what I think of as the quotation mark problem. To avoid reifying gender, authors write about "men," "women," "reality," "biology," and "sex." Yet the idea that all of this change suggests a move toward transcending or undoing gender mistakes content and form. The content of masculinities and femininities has changed widely since the 1950s. Yet the form of a male/female binary remains. As the experiences of transmen at work show, people can socially cross this binary; however, attempts to move beyond it (the queering of the binary) often result in penalties. These workplace experiences in this book raise, to me, serious questions of whether a binary as a form can ever be equal, even if the content of the binary undergoes radical change. Retaining sex but trying to transcend gender expresses a desire to "escape domination" while maintaining "fundamental social categories" (Delphy 1993, 1). Without a focus on undoing sex, the content of gender can change, but natural differences schemas deeply linked to biology and tradition will remain untouched, and inequality will continue as business as usual

Hi, Transgaf! I just saw this on Feministing and thought maybe it would be of interest:

Judith Butler is a preeminent gender theorist and has played an extraordinarily influential role in shaping modern feminism. She’s written extensively on gender and her concept of gender performativity is a central theme of both modern feminism and gender theory. Butler’s essays and books include Performative Acts and Gender Constitution (1988), Gender Trouble: Feminism and the Subversion of Identity (1990), Bodies That Matter: On the Discursive Limits of “Sex” (1993) and Undoing Gender (2004).

However, the concept of gender perfomativity has been used – and some would assert – abused to support a number of positions that misconstrues Butler’s work. I therefore wanted to ask Butler about what she really thinks about gender and the trans experience. Along the way Butler specifically addresses TERFs and the work of Sheila Jeffreys and Janice Raymond.

[...]

Can you talk about the ways in which your views might differ?

JB: I have never agreed with Sheila Jeffreys or Janice Raymond, and for many years have been on quite the contrasting side of feminist debates. She appoints herself to the position of judge, and she offers a kind of feminist policing of trans lives and trans choices. I oppose this kind of prescriptivism, which seems me to aspire to a kind of feminist tyranny.

If she makes use of social construction as a theory to support her view, she very badly misunderstands its terms. In her view, a trans person is “constructed” by a medical discourse and therefore is the victim of a social construct. But this idea of social constructs does not acknowledge that all of us, as bodies, are in the active position of figuring out how to live with and against the constructions – or norms – that help to form us. We form ourselves within the vocabularies that we did not choose, and sometimes we have to reject those vocabularies, or actively develop new ones. For instance, gender assignment is a “construction” and yet many genderqueer and trans people refuse those assignments in part or in full. That refusal opens the way for a more radical form of self-determination, one that happens in solidarity with others who are undergoing a similar struggle.

One problem with that view of social construction is that it suggests that what trans people feel about what their gender is, and should be, is itself “constructed” and, therefore, not real. And then the feminist police comes along to expose the construction and dispute a trans person’s sense of their lived reality. I oppose this use of social construction absolutely, and consider it to be a false, misleading, and oppressive use of the theory.

 

[/r/neofeg]

drunk shitposting. disregard 

[/r/neofeg]

drunk shitposting. disregard 

[/r/neofeg]

drunk shitposting. here's a paul george video to celebrate his return in a month.






 

[Take My Breh Away]

The Order review thread will either be the best thread this year or possibly the worst. Thread quality depends on the scores themselves and how good the trolling is, both elements amount to 50/50 when it comes to thread quality. At this point in the game, Sony stans use these posting style methods:

1. If the game reviews well, everyone that didn't suck the games dick must eat crow.
2. If the game reviews moderately well or poorly, game reviewers don't know what good games are and you gotta trust Gaf fuck boys.
3. If the game reviews terribly, it is probably the best and most misunderstood game of all time.

The paranoia in The Order threads is incredible at the minute


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152016416&postcount=3654
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152016494&postcount=3656
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152023124&postcount=3729

Anyone with the slightest criticism must be treated with the same suspicion J. Edgar Hoover treated anyone with the slightest liberal leaning.

Also Thuway remains a twat but it's obvious at this point. 

Edit: Drive by of the year

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76

[Kabouter]

The Order review thread will either be the best thread this year or possibly the worst. Thread quality depends on the scores themselves and how good the trolling is, both elements amount to 50/50 when it comes to thread quality. At this point in the game, Sony stans use these posting style methods:

1. If the game reviews well, everyone that didn't suck the games dick must eat crow.
2. If the game reviews moderately well or poorly, game reviewers don't know what good games are and you gotta trust Gaf fuck boys.
3. If the game reviews terribly, it is probably the best and most misunderstood game of all time.

My money is on it being a terrible thread, but probably (and sadly) not the worst we'll see this year.

On the other hand maybe I should start posting lists of 40+ anarchist/libertarian tracts and demanding people read all of them before pretending they can discuss the legitimacy of the state.

Pass.

Edit: Drive by of the year

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76

Haha, ghst always reliable

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Demodding Mumei is more a spilled milk problem.  Angry, virginal tumblrites have taken over in many areas and unless Evilore is willing to do a mass ban on these losers, it's not going to solve much of anything.  The Tumblr set needs to be put down but Evilore won't ban them because he needs the ad revenue.  It's a band aid solution.

[Dennis]

Edit: Drive by of the year

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76

Haha, ghst always reliable

And yet our man ghst was banned.....

[zepblackstar]

The clues to the Order is right there telling you the gameplay is at best average.

[dmj]

Edit: Drive by of the year

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76

God that was amazing, I hope he wasn't banned for that post specifically. I could not spot a lie.

[Am_I_Anonymous]

The Order review thread will either be the best thread this year or possibly the worst. Thread quality depends on the scores themselves and how good the trolling is, both elements amount to 50/50 when it comes to thread quality. At this point in the game, Sony stans use these posting style methods:

1. If the game reviews well, everyone that didn't suck the games dick must eat crow.
2. If the game reviews moderately well or poorly, game reviewers don't know what good games are and you gotta trust Gaf fuck boys.
3. If the game reviews terribly, it is probably the best and most misunderstood game of all time.

The paranoia in The Order threads is incredible at the minute


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152016416&postcount=3654
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152016494&postcount=3656
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152023124&postcount=3729

Anyone with the slightest criticism must be treated with the same suspicion J. Edgar Hoover treated anyone with the slightest liberal leaning.

Also Thuway remains a twat but it's obvious at this point. 

Edit: Drive by of the year

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76

And banned. 

[Rman]

I have mixed feelings on the whole Mumei thing.
Firstly I think GAF is too far gone for it to make any difference.  I mean even riskychris would be like "Whoa guys chill out." a long time ago.
I think he's well intentioned but has let himself go too far into the rabbit hole.

I remember one thread where I dared say that getting pass out drunk in public was a bad idea and even more so around people you didn't know. He took it to PM saying "I thought you were cool." and chastized me for perpetuating rape culture.
The reason I brought it up is because I used to work with male rape victims and one guy I worked with got raped when he was pass out drunk. And I'd go with him to these speeches he'd give about drinking responsibly and he'd just get it thrown in his face when he'd bring up the rape thing. When really the guy was just saying be on your guard. Of course all that didn't matter, because I dared say something out of his expected line I was practically dead to him.

I also make the joke of "give a list of 20 books" but that's not really a joke. I remember one thread he listed (I counted) exactly 22 books that everyone should read on this one very specific subject. It just boggled my mind. I don't have 22 books about a single subject let alone a very specific one. Like I have more than 22 books on history, but I don't have 22 books on Northwestern Chinese Horsemanship in the 12th century.. It seems to me if you're willing to read yourself that deeply with one skew you've lost touch with how the average person sees it and a little out of touch with reality and put yourself into the ivory tower.

Reminds me of when I met one of my techy heroes at a conference and he was giving this speech that was all wonderful and all but so disconnected with how reality actually worked in businesses and government, and painfully so. I mean anyone with even a year's experience would be like "That's nice but we live in the real world." I saw that he had spent so much time reading about technology and writing about it, that he had this imaginary world where it was as he read and wrote and had lost touch with how it is and anyone pointing to the contrary were just dumb people who didn't understand.

Mumei had good intentions with the recommendations, but sometimes you've gotta remember where you are, a video game forum where grown men argue about sales.

Surprised EL is getting flack from the LBGT community on GAF. Yes, he sometimes lacks finesse in his moderation, but he's been very fair in general. It's one of the few major game forums with such a big community and is protected fiercely in moderation. 

[kick51]

pretty blatant viral:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=991454

just happened to stumble on this review by a "random" guy with no subs/viewers who "randomly" got a bottle of this unreleased mountain dew.

[tiesto]

I'm usually not into pale chicks but sometimes you see one that's just

the contrast of my dark and the palest white skin

Thick, pale girls with glasses and bangs...

[nudemacusers]

will drink to ghst tonight

[Take My Breh Away]

Edit: Drive by of the year

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76

God that was amazing, I hope he wasn't banned for that post specifically. I could not spot a lie.

He was probably banned for this one

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151951442&postcount=80

Weapons grade Ether

[SmokyDave]

ghst cracks me up, but his 'console gamers are idiots' thing just doesn't go over well nowadays. Too many people feeling protective over their new toys.

[Joe Molotov]

On the other hand maybe I should start posting lists of 40+ anarchist/libertarian tracts and demanding people read all of them before pretending they can discuss the legitimacy of the state.

[Mr. Nobody]

Edit: Drive by of the year

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76

God that was amazing, I hope he wasn't banned for that post specifically. I could not spot a lie.

He was probably banned for this one

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151951442&postcount=80

Weapons grade Ether

Good grief 

[Stoney Mason]

1. If the game reviews well, everyone that didn't suck the games dick must eat crow.
2. If the game reviews moderately well or poorly, game reviewers don't know what good games are and you gotta trust Gaf fuck boys.
3. If the game reviews terribly, it is probably the best and most misunderstood game of all time.

 

[Purple Filth]

The Order review thread will either be the best thread this year or possibly the worst. Thread quality depends on the scores themselves and how good the trolling is, both elements amount to 50/50 when it comes to thread quality. At this point in the game, Sony stans use these posting style methods:

1. If the game reviews well, everyone that didn't suck the games dick must eat crow.
2. If the game reviews moderately well or poorly, game reviewers don't know what good games are and you gotta trust Gaf fuck boys.
3. If the game reviews terribly, it is probably the best and most misunderstood game of all time.

basically "i win fuckers" 

[I'm a Puppy!]

wow u f@ggits care 2 much 

write me a soliloquy, lolololololoolol

If you die I will totally write you a soliloquy.
I promise.
Go on.
Please?

[thisismyusername]

Surprised EL is getting flack from the LBGT community on GAF. Yes, he sometimes lacks finesse in his moderation, but he's been very fair in general. It's one of the few major game forums with such a big community and is protected fiercely in moderation.

Why wouldn't he? Mumei was their protected class mod.

[meeb]

Demodding Mumei is more a spilled milk problem.  Angry, virginal tumblrites have taken over in many areas and unless Evilore is willing to do a mass ban on these losers, it's not going to solve much of anything.  The Tumblr set needs to be put down but Evilore won't ban them because he needs the ad revenue.  It's a band aid solution.

I'm actually rather happy about it. The site has turned into something he can't be proud of, and it is pretty much his fault.

[nudemacusers]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152062142&postcount=4081



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152059547&postcount=4044

gonna need a big bag of popcorn for the review thread.

[Take My Breh Away]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152062142&postcount=4081



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152059547&postcount=4044

gonna need a big bag of popcorn for the review thread.

There's so much Astroturf you could lay every field in the NFL and have some left over for MLS

Everyone's favorite reputation manager Loudninja setting the tone as well

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152062658&postcount=4089

[Rman]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152062142&postcount=4081



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152059547&postcount=4044

gonna need a big bag of popcorn for the review thread.

I still don't understand the hype for this game at all. 

Bloodborne I do get, but the Order seems like another cinematic cash in trash. 

[kick51]

beanie avatar in 2015 brehs

and a sackboy taboot.  IT'S OVER, SACKBOY DIDN'T BECOME A MASCOT. 

[nudemacusers]

it's part of the sony comeback brah, gotta protect the companies that really care about us gamers.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152063450&postcount=4104

the days leading up to the review embargo are gonna be priceless

[Rman]

But Sony is kicking ass. It won the generation free.  I don't get this cheerleading. They don't need it anymore.  They won. It's over.

[mormapope]

The problem now Rman is current gen output is complete dogshit unless you really dig indie games. So any AAA release now, especially exclusives, are a lot more important to fanboys.

Xbox fanboys have barely made a peep compared to Sony fanboys. In fact Xbox fanboys actually took the beating with some pride, I rarely see Xbone only owners shit up threads.

[kick51]

But Sony is kicking ass. It won the generation free.  I don't get this cheerleading. They don't need it anymore.  They won. It's over.

for the forum warrior, it's never over.

[mormapope]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152064803&postcount=4128
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152065094&postcount=4133

 

You can cut through these dudes skin with pizza crust.

[nudemacusers]

the new neofeg banner

[Purple Filth]

The problem now Rman is current gen output is complete dogshit unless you really dig indie games. So any AAA release now, especially exclusives, are a lot more important to fanboys.

Xbox fanboys have barely made a peep compared to Sony fanboys. In fact Xbox fanboys actually took the beating with some pride, I rarely see Xbone only owners shit up threads.

Say the Xbox one sucks and see what you get or those Digital Foundary threads before the PC guys come in

its just the Sony fans are more on the attacking end now especially with the sales stuff since it actually matters again (and now mostly irrelevant for the other side) 

[Kraftwerk]

the new neofeg banner

Just saw it

[StealthFan]

Why would you skip the cutscenes in Spec Ops; The Line?

Surely you don't play that game for the gameplay.

[Take My Breh Away]

it's part of the sony comeback brah, gotta protect the companies that really care about us gamers.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152063450&postcount=4104

the days leading up to the review embargo are gonna be priceless

People associating 50 Cent Blood In The Sand with The Order

[mormapope]

Xbox fanboys have barely made a peep compared to Sony fanboys. In fact Xbox fanboys actually took the beating with some pride, I rarely see Xbone only owners shit up threads.

 

I prefer XBox myself, but have you not seen the dumb shit MS fanboy "Return of the King" bullshit in the November and December NPD threads?

Fanboys are awful by nature, winning or losing. It's just that GAF has become a bigger breeding ground for the sonytards lately.

You're right, I forgot about NPD threads and how that is a arena for any fanboy. I will change my toon slightly and say Sony fanboys are being much louder than Xbox fanboys, you don't see many "Ryse and Lococycle are actually excellent games" threads.

Why would you skip the cutscenes in Spec Ops; The Line?

Surely you don't play that game for the gameplay.

I agree when it comes to watching the cutscenes in Spec Ops, but I had fun shooting dudes
 

[kick51]

the new neofeg banner

lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)

i'm still going to bully r/neofeg as much as possible

[close]

[Phoenix Dark]

neofeg now has a partnership with this...
https://www.reddit.com/r/TRANSAIDS


disgusting.

[Kraftwerk]

 http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=152059598

Muhammad liked cats and under aged girls. Sounds like the perfect fit for a manga.

 

[nachobro]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=992267

gaf continues to wish they could create a good meme instead of jacking from 4chan or reddit

[headwalk]

who needs paid astroturfers anyway?



http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152075888&postcount=4268

[Rman]

Who runs NeoFAG anyway? The OPA crew?

[Kraftwerk]

Who runs NeoFAG anyway? The OPA crew?

My.money is on nudemacusers.

[Anti-Monitor]

Demodding Mumei is more a spilled milk problem.  Angry, virginal tumblrites have taken over in many areas and unless Evilore is willing to do a mass ban on these losers, it's not going to solve much of anything.  The Tumblr set needs to be put down but Evilore won't ban them because he needs the ad revenue.  It's a band aid solution.

Man, I never understand this generalization about Tumblr. To me, Tumblr is a place to be reminded of old tv shows and have lots of sweet porn/hot people.

Then I discovered what an otherkin is.

[Sausage]

Tumblr porn

[kick51]

who needs paid astroturfers anyway?

(Image removed from quote.)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152075888&postcount=4268

haven't seen serious business like this in a while. 

[octopushover]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152093747&postcount=18

thinking of a video game immediately when you see any image 

thinking of mass effect 3 immediately when you see any image 

thinking of a little kid in mass effect 3 immediately when you see any image of a little kid 

[StealthFan]

little kids