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« Reply #23820 on: February 13, 2015, 09:02:43 PM »
Yet I still see people banned for using cunt. So nothing changed.

You're either lying, or you've seen people banned for calling a woman a cunt. That's still banned. What isn't banned is its use in footygaf as an endearing term between men.

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« Reply #23821 on: February 13, 2015, 09:12:53 PM »
I'll admit it. I've been wanting someone to call him out like Shoe called out Peter Moore last generation. More "journalists" need to do that sort of calling out more often. You can find it to be an "asshole" move if you want, but actually calling them on their mistakes and failures should be done instead of the normal corporate ballwashing.

And this John Walker dude decided to do this to a has-been who hasn't been relevant for years, critically or commercially. The status quo won't change because of this interview, I think anyone expecting the status quo to change because of this are naive or ignorant as fuck. The videogame industry will never be clear cut and transparent, because which industries revolving capitalism are? Videogames being reformed before other industries that have much more serious issues?

 :neogaf

And lets face it, some the people claiming this is some sort of journalistic feat or magnificent interview are the same fuckboys that get hyped for the latest and most gimped AAA releases, people that are unpaid hypemen that get into heated internet arguments because somebody did some drive by trolling.

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« Reply #23822 on: February 13, 2015, 09:13:07 PM »
Seems like many are bummed about Mumei being demoded. Does GAF has any LGBT mods left?

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« Reply #23823 on: February 13, 2015, 09:17:44 PM »
I'll admit it. I've been wanting someone to call him out like Shoe called out Peter Moore last generation. More "journalists" need to do that sort of calling out more often. You can find it to be an "asshole" move if you want, but actually calling them on their mistakes and failures should be done instead of the normal corporate ballwashing.

And this John Walker dude decided to do this to a has-been who hasn't been relevant for years, critically or commercially. The status quo won't change because of this interview, I think anyone expecting the status quo to change because of this are naive or ignorant as fuck. The videogame industry will never be clear cut and transparent, because which industries revolving capitalism are? Videogames being reformed before other industries that have much more serious issues?

 :neogaf

And lets face it, some the people claiming this is some sort of journalistic feat or magnificent interview are the same fuckboys that get hyped for the latest and most gimped AAA releases, people that are unpaid hypemen that get into heated internet arguments because somebody did some drive by trolling.

Agreed. Nothing will change. The last time this level of calling out bullshit happened was ~2006(?) when the 360 failure rate was high and Shoe went to Peter Moore and said "you know, you can't just handwave the 360 failure rate away as 'something that normally happens, right? The level of failure is too damn high!'" I agree that Peter Moly is a "has-been" and I do legitly feel bad for the way Walker blind-sided him with the initial question of him being a "liar" there was far better ways to call out his mistakes, but that said: I have no remorse for Peter feeling bad after this interview. It needed to be done. Godus on PC is still wayyyy behind the mobile versions (IIRC) with no peep about updates or any sort of timeline. Peter can go "oh well we're updating the Steam version a lot!" and that's great and good and all, but when those updates are barely a blip or rumble... I'm sorry, I can't fuck with that.

Seems like many are bummed about Mumei being demoded. Does GAF has any LGBT mods left?

Not that I'm aware of. Y2Kev may step up to do it like POP-GAF? IDK.
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« Reply #23824 on: February 13, 2015, 09:18:18 PM »
Seems like many are bummed about Mumei being demoded. Does GAF has any LGBT mods left?

steve after a couple of beers.

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« Reply #23825 on: February 13, 2015, 09:24:27 PM »
I'll admit it. I've been wanting someone to call him out like Shoe called out Peter Moore last generation. More "journalists" need to do that sort of calling out more often. You can find it to be an "asshole" move if you want, but actually calling them on their mistakes and failures should be done instead of the normal corporate ballwashing.

And this John Walker dude decided to do this to a has-been who hasn't been relevant for years, critically or commercially. The status quo won't change because of this interview, I think anyone expecting the status quo to change because of this are naive or ignorant as fuck. The videogame industry will never be clear cut and transparent, because which industries revolving capitalism are? Videogames being reformed before other industries that have much more serious issues?

 :neogaf


Of course it isn't.

But after so many years of Molyneux bullshit, it's incredible nice to see someone call him out on pretty much everythinng, and having facts to back it up when Molyneux tries to get around it.

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« Reply #23826 on: February 13, 2015, 09:26:49 PM »
Seems like many are bummed about Mumei being demoded. Does GAF has any LGBT mods left?
finally some room for PD to take the wheel :hitler
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« Reply #23827 on: February 13, 2015, 09:47:50 PM »
If bish ever gets demodded, gaming side will collapse into itself  :neogaf

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« Reply #23828 on: February 13, 2015, 09:48:41 PM »
Adele would be hot if she ever reached thick status imo
:lawd
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« Reply #23829 on: February 13, 2015, 09:52:16 PM »
Adele would be hot if she ever reached thick status imo
:lawd
not too familiar with the blaque man's scale but do you mean she needs to lose or gain weight?
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« Reply #23830 on: February 13, 2015, 09:55:41 PM »
damn, ya'll got a lot of hate in your heart

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« Reply #23831 on: February 13, 2015, 09:56:54 PM »
damn, ya'll got a lot of hate in your heart
:comeon
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« Reply #23832 on: February 13, 2015, 09:59:24 PM »
i haven't been paying attention, but why was Mumei demodded?

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« Reply #23833 on: February 13, 2015, 10:02:50 PM »
Adele would be hot if she ever reached thick status imo
:lawd
not too familiar with the blaque man's scale but do you mean she needs to lose or gain weight?

Slimmer stomach while having the same fatass tits and ass.

Case in point, the best thick woman of all time:


Anyone that calls Christina Hendricks obese deserves to get slapped.
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« Reply #23834 on: February 13, 2015, 10:05:39 PM »
I wouldn't call her the GOAT thick chick but yes, Hendricks quality is definitely the potential I see in Adele. I'd definitely put her on my bench. She could be a starter one day.
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mormapope

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« Reply #23835 on: February 13, 2015, 10:08:31 PM »
Hendricks ticks every box that's important to me

Redhead
Pale
Blue eyes
Real gigantic tits
Big ass

:noah

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« Reply #23837 on: February 13, 2015, 10:14:57 PM »
i haven't been paying attention, but why was Mumei demodded?

Most likely because he was calling people who aren't attracted to trans men and women bigots

mormapope

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« Reply #23838 on: February 13, 2015, 10:16:33 PM »
Some dudes are into feet, clits that look like dicks, concave neck caves, pale chicks that have orange hair is the shit I'm really into. Maybe I secretly want to fuck a ghost or something
 :yeshrug
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« Reply #23839 on: February 13, 2015, 10:18:54 PM »
Yet I still see people banned for using cunt. So nothing changed.

You're either lying, or you've seen people banned for calling a woman a cunt. That's still banned. What isn't banned is its use in footygaf as an endearing term between men.
There was a dude in the trans thread but looking back he also called another member a cunt, which is probably why

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« Reply #23840 on: February 13, 2015, 10:18:55 PM »
Some dudes are into feet, clits that look like dicks, concave neck caves, pale chicks that have orange hair is the shit I'm really into. Maybe I secretly want to fuck a ghost or something
 :yeshrug

Klaudia Kelly would've been right up your alley 2-3 years ago.

Now...she's only built for cuban linx  :shaq

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« Reply #23841 on: February 13, 2015, 10:20:10 PM »
I'm usually not into pale chicks but sometimes you see one that's just :noah

the contrast of my dark and the palest white skin :leon
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eleuin

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« Reply #23842 on: February 13, 2015, 10:40:30 PM »
something happened with Bish/EL?
EL closed the anime and chicken thread cause they disagreed with Mumei being demodded and Bish reopened it
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bluemax

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« Reply #23843 on: February 13, 2015, 11:18:09 PM »
Mumei said Amir0x has never been brought up in the conversation of being a new mod, and won't be.

I would hope that Evillore begins to push back against hyper sensitivity and tumblr justice, which has creeped into GAF over the years. As long as people are being respectful they should be able to have an open and honest debate. My problem with a lot of tumblr shit is this idea that alternative or opposing views should not be ignored/combated, but snuffed out. Nah...

He's basically admitted on IRC that he doesn't really care for "internet shit" anymore. He's too busy living the surreal life with 1%ers. And by that I mean getting hurt and ending up in hospitals.
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MIMIC

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« Reply #23844 on: February 13, 2015, 11:21:33 PM »
something happened with Bish/EL?
EL closed the anime and chicken thread cause they disagreed with Mumei being demodded and Bish reopened it
:dead

I didn't get it until I saw your post  :lol

nudemacusers

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« Reply #23845 on: February 13, 2015, 11:38:34 PM »
Adele would be hot if she ever reached thick status imo
:lawd
not too familiar with the blaque man's scale but do you mean she needs to lose or gain weight?

Slimmer stomach while having the same fatass tits and ass.

Case in point, the best thick woman of all time:
(Image removed from quote.)

Anyone that calls Christina Hendricks obese deserves to get slapped.
but that's all spanx in action. she does have big titties tho.
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« Reply #23847 on: February 14, 2015, 12:03:12 AM »
Yes, because the Last of Us is somehow credit to Sony staying afloat.  ::)

Tears when they sell Naughty Dog or let them go independent will be delicious if/when that happens.

/r/neofeg

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« Reply #23848 on: February 14, 2015, 12:15:44 AM »
He's basically admitted on IRC that he doesn't really care for "internet shit" anymore. He's too busy living the surreal life with 1%ers. And by that I mean getting hurt and ending up in hospitals.

EL is just more evolved than the rest of us.

don't h8

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« Reply #23849 on: February 14, 2015, 12:19:46 AM »
w8, i didn't mean for that to sound forced ironic

srsly how many of us would be paragons of integrity in the same situation  :o

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« Reply #23850 on: February 14, 2015, 12:30:48 AM »

Anyone that calls Christina Hendricks obese deserves to get slapped.

You see a beautiful, curvy woman, I see a woman who's just one bad career move away from turning into Anna Nicole Smith.


Like a hot dog in the microwave that wants to explode any second now.







Polyh3dron

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« Reply #23851 on: February 14, 2015, 12:51:34 AM »
Mumei demodded you say?



far as i could tell Mumei was definitely head of the Tumblr Justiciar PC Brigade and most likely behind the ban that did me in
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« Reply #23853 on: February 14, 2015, 01:19:45 AM »
Only issue I had with Mumei as a mod was that everyone would clamor for them to make an appearance, ignoring the actual discussion or trying to hold it at bay until the heroes arrived, and shut down the bigots with reading material and you could tell it would take the wind out of the sails of threads in part because of the red name and encourage one faction. Especially since it'd a.) be quoted endlessly and b.) people would be told to shut up until they read everything Mumei posted and then they could come back after learning to agree. I imagine that will dissipate over time.

I think "red names" need to be aware of the effect that badge/power has over discussion*. The best example is probably how Steve Youngblood goes into threads and demands bitcoins or he'll wreck up the joint. Then mails parts of cats nailed to a picture of him hovering over the ban button to users. I think that's really uncalled for and problematic.

GAF dogpiles are always problematic, especially when the person isn't allowed to respond but instead banned after 25 people quote them just to express disgust. It would nice for mods to clarify that a poster was not banned for their shitty opinion in one thread but for something posted in another when that's the case. Then there's no dancing on the grave and it doesn't promote the image that some views are ban worthy when they aren't. Kabouter or somebody clarified a ban in a recent thread I saw that it was for the guy having been a recurring alt account and it stopped most of that.

*Of course, they might be and use it to their advantage.

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« Reply #23854 on: February 14, 2015, 02:01:59 AM »
After that Peter Molyneux thread, I'm never looking into UK journalism out of spite.

"This is some Paxman shit."
"Weak ass American journalism, Pax is where its at."
"Paxman is brilliant, he presses people."
"Haven't you guys heard of Paxman."


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« Reply #23855 on: February 14, 2015, 02:17:01 AM »
Mumei was a little too righteous and internet-care for my beyond corrupt and broken tastes but the dude was legit. Actually put real efforts into his posts. Tried to make a difference, as futile as it was. But NeoGAF is far beyond that kind of shit. Why cite studies when you could instead post a super hilarious gif or say "feed it pizza". BTW The Order 1886 releases 2/20 please place your pre-orders now for bonus content that will stave off your inevitable suicide.

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« Reply #23856 on: February 14, 2015, 02:22:02 AM »
Mumei was a little too righteous and internet-care for my beyond corrupt and broken tastes but the dude was legit. Actually put real efforts into his posts. Tried to make a difference, as futile as it was. But NeoGAF is far beyond that kind of shit. Why cite studies when you could instead post a super hilarious gif or say "feed it pizza". BTW The Order 1886 releases 2/20 please place your pre-orders now for bonus content that will stave off your inevitable suicide.
lol gaf memes are the best

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« Reply #23857 on: February 14, 2015, 02:28:17 AM »
The Order review thread will either be the best thread this year or possibly the worst. Thread quality depends on the scores themselves and how good the trolling is, both elements amount to 50/50 when it comes to thread quality. At this point in the game, Sony stans use these posting style methods:

1. If the game reviews well, everyone that didn't suck the games dick must eat crow.
2. If the game reviews moderately well or poorly, game reviewers don't know what good games are and you gotta trust Gaf fuck boys.
3. If the game reviews terribly, it is probably the best and most misunderstood game of all time.

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« Reply #23858 on: February 14, 2015, 03:06:37 AM »
drunk shitposting. disregard  ::)
« Last Edit: February 14, 2015, 09:45:41 PM by /r/neofeg »

benjipwns

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« Reply #23859 on: February 14, 2015, 03:12:05 AM »
some eulogy for the king of tl;dr
A Black Falcon isn't currently banned.

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« Reply #23860 on: February 14, 2015, 03:21:00 AM »
I have mixed feelings on the whole Mumei thing.
Firstly I think GAF is too far gone for it to make any difference.  I mean even riskychris would be like "Whoa guys chill out." a long time ago.
I think he's well intentioned but has let himself go too far into the rabbit hole.

I remember one thread where I dared say that getting pass out drunk in public was a bad idea and even more so around people you didn't know. He took it to PM saying "I thought you were cool." and chastized me for perpetuating rape culture.
The reason I brought it up is because I used to work with male rape victims and one guy I worked with got raped when he was pass out drunk. And I'd go with him to these speeches he'd give about drinking responsibly and he'd just get it thrown in his face when he'd bring up the rape thing. When really the guy was just saying be on your guard. Of course all that didn't matter, because I dared say something out of his expected line I was practically dead to him.

I also make the joke of "give a list of 20 books" but that's not really a joke. I remember one thread he listed (I counted) exactly 22 books that everyone should read on this one very specific subject. It just boggled my mind. I don't have 22 books about a single subject let alone a very specific one. Like I have more than 22 books on history, but I don't have 22 books on Northwestern Chinese Horsemanship in the 12th century.. It seems to me if you're willing to read yourself that deeply with one skew you've lost touch with how the average person sees it and a little out of touch with reality and put yourself into the ivory tower.

Reminds me of when I met one of my techy heroes at a conference and he was giving this speech that was all wonderful and all but so disconnected with how reality actually worked in businesses and government, and painfully so. I mean anyone with even a year's experience would be like "That's nice but we live in the real world." I saw that he had spent so much time reading about technology and writing about it, that he had this imaginary world where it was as he read and wrote and had lost touch with how it is and anyone pointing to the contrary were just dumb people who didn't understand.
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benjipwns

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« Reply #23861 on: February 14, 2015, 03:44:39 AM »
Recommending that many books also does little except back your street cred. You want one or two good books that line up strong with your position, and then maybe three or four others that are close or expand on various areas. And it's best if they all of different levels, not all academic, not all casual.

If you need 20+ books before you can even begin to discuss a subject "acceptably" then your subject is probably approaching some kind of postmodern singularity.

benjipwns

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« Reply #23862 on: February 14, 2015, 04:01:34 AM »
On the other hand maybe I should start posting lists of 40+ anarchist/libertarian tracts and demanding people read all of them before pretending they can discuss the legitimacy of the state.

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« Reply #23863 on: February 14, 2015, 04:03:55 AM »
drunk shitposting. disregard  ::)
« Last Edit: February 14, 2015, 09:42:12 PM by /r/neofeg »

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« Reply #23864 on: February 14, 2015, 04:05:16 AM »
drunk shitposting. disregard  ::)
« Last Edit: February 14, 2015, 09:42:26 PM by /r/neofeg »

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« Reply #23865 on: February 14, 2015, 04:07:52 AM »
holy shit that was a waste of time to post either of those two things

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« Reply #23866 on: February 14, 2015, 04:10:50 AM »
i haven't been paying attention, but why was Mumei demodded?

Because The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much, and God has never forsaken his people  :lawd

ZephyrFate

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« Reply #23867 on: February 14, 2015, 04:12:13 AM »
Kind of an unfortunate, ironic way for Mumei to get demodded given that he used to be pretty cool-headed and erudite.

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« Reply #23868 on: February 14, 2015, 04:17:02 AM »
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=109457734&postcount=128
There's one of the book lists.

Another from LGBTetc. thread:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=146506043&postcount=15503


And from the Trans thread:
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Hiya, TransGAF. I finished a really fascinating book called Just One Of The Guys? Transgender Men and the Persistence of Gender Inequality today. It was particularly enlightening because it helped explain some of what appeared to be inconsistencies in explanations of what being transgender means (that is, some explanations seemed to reify the gender binary; other explanations seemed to deconstruct it and I wasn't able to reconcile them). And the historical overview of perspectives from the gender clinic era (1960s - 1980s) which pathologized transsexuals to the rise of transgender activism and the queering of the binary in the 1990s to the emphasis on biological diversity; arguing for gender variance in the same way lgb advocates have argued for variance in sexual orientation. Anyway, it turns out that some of the explanations I'd read before were centered around outdated assumptions of the gender clinic period.

But it primarily is a study of the work experiences of a group of transmen, which it uses to talk about the social practice of gender, how even trans men [who are white, pass as men, and educated] benefit from the masculine dividend, and helps explain why trans men often see benefits and why trans women are much more likely to see losses or resistance. It's too complicated to sum up, and for me a lot of it was confirmation rather than revelation but it was nice to see it summarized and particularly to have the "intimate" connections between the marginalization of transgender people, women, and homosexuals laid out so clearly.

Definitely recommend for anyone looking for something to read on the subject.
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It's really great. It touches on things that aren't necessarily the focus, but that I found enlightening, like this from the conclusion:

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While people may experience expectations of masculinity and femininity as oppressive in some situations, having a feeling of coherence among bodies, personal genders, and social genders can be a major reward for doing gender the "right" way (J. Butler 1989). Showing this pleasure, even feminists have written volumes about the embodied sense of being female, such as the "profoundly physical pleasure of suckling a baby" (D. Smith 2009, 76). Yet feminist theory relegates transwomen to the position of appropriating, rather than embodying, femaleness (J. Butler 2004; Serano 2007). This distinction is hardly unsurprising, as cisgender women write the bulk of feminist theory. From a cisgender yardstick, transgender experiences of gender are inauthentic. Sociology of gender supports this frame by holding on to "sex" as the biological distinctions between males and females (chromosomes, reproductive systems, genitalia), and "gender" as the cultural meaning put onto these differences. This explanation stabilizes a male/female binary as authentic and real - a conceptualization that does not hold up under empirical evidence (Fausto-Sterling 2000; Kessler 1998) - and reifies biological essentialism feminist scholars have long disavowed (De Beauvoir 1953; Chodorow 1978; Mitchell 1966; Hartmann 1979). This need to separate transgender people's experiences with gender from "natural" experiences suggests there is something meaningful to many feminist scholars about the feeling of innate sex/gender coherence. Perhaps the problem with doing gender as a theory is not the focus on accountability but the lack of focus on the pleasure that can come from experiencing this coherence. I acknowledge this pleasure not to normalize it but rather to illustrate why natural differences schemas have proved so intractable in the face of major societal changes in what men and women can do.

Reflecting these major changes, gender theorists today seem to stumble over the best way to represent men and women's experiences without naturalizing a male/masculine and female/feminine model. Gender scholarship that crosses my desk for review often suffers from what I think of as the quotation mark problem. To avoid reifying gender, authors write about "men," "women," "reality," "biology," and "sex." Yet the idea that all of this change suggests a move toward transcending or undoing gender mistakes content and form. The content of masculinities and femininities has changed widely since the 1950s. Yet the form of a male/female binary remains. As the experiences of transmen at work show, people can socially cross this binary; however, attempts to move beyond it (the queering of the binary) often result in penalties. These workplace experiences in this book raise, to me, serious questions of whether a binary as a form can ever be equal, even if the content of the binary undergoes radical change. Retaining sex but trying to transcend gender expresses a desire to "escape domination" while maintaining "fundamental social categories" (Delphy 1993, 1). Without a focus on undoing sex, the content of gender can change, but natural differences schemas deeply linked to biology and tradition will remain untouched, and inequality will continue as business as usual

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Hi, Transgaf! I just saw this on Feministing and thought maybe it would be of interest:

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Judith Butler is a preeminent gender theorist and has played an extraordinarily influential role in shaping modern feminism. She’s written extensively on gender and her concept of gender performativity is a central theme of both modern feminism and gender theory. Butler’s essays and books include Performative Acts and Gender Constitution (1988), Gender Trouble: Feminism and the Subversion of Identity (1990), Bodies That Matter: On the Discursive Limits of “Sex” (1993) and Undoing Gender (2004).

However, the concept of gender perfomativity has been used – and some would assert – abused to support a number of positions that misconstrues Butler’s work. I therefore wanted to ask Butler about what she really thinks about gender and the trans experience. Along the way Butler specifically addresses TERFs and the work of Sheila Jeffreys and Janice Raymond.

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Can you talk about the ways in which your views might differ?

JB: I have never agreed with Sheila Jeffreys or Janice Raymond, and for many years have been on quite the contrasting side of feminist debates. She appoints herself to the position of judge, and she offers a kind of feminist policing of trans lives and trans choices. I oppose this kind of prescriptivism, which seems me to aspire to a kind of feminist tyranny.

If she makes use of social construction as a theory to support her view, she very badly misunderstands its terms. In her view, a trans person is “constructed” by a medical discourse and therefore is the victim of a social construct. But this idea of social constructs does not acknowledge that all of us, as bodies, are in the active position of figuring out how to live with and against the constructions – or norms – that help to form us. We form ourselves within the vocabularies that we did not choose, and sometimes we have to reject those vocabularies, or actively develop new ones. For instance, gender assignment is a “construction” and yet many genderqueer and trans people refuse those assignments in part or in full. That refusal opens the way for a more radical form of self-determination, one that happens in solidarity with others who are undergoing a similar struggle.

One problem with that view of social construction is that it suggests that what trans people feel about what their gender is, and should be, is itself “constructed” and, therefore, not real. And then the feminist police comes along to expose the construction and dispute a trans person’s sense of their lived reality. I oppose this use of social construction absolutely, and consider it to be a false, misleading, and oppressive use of the theory.

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/r/neofeg

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #23869 on: February 14, 2015, 04:40:42 AM »
drunk shitposting. disregard  ::)
« Last Edit: February 14, 2015, 09:42:45 PM by /r/neofeg »

/r/neofeg

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #23870 on: February 14, 2015, 04:43:53 AM »
drunk shitposting. disregard  ::)
« Last Edit: February 14, 2015, 09:42:57 PM by /r/neofeg »

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« Reply #23871 on: February 14, 2015, 04:49:27 AM »
drunk shitposting. here's a paul george video to celebrate his return in a month.






 ::)
« Last Edit: February 14, 2015, 09:43:34 PM by /r/neofeg »

Take My Breh Away

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #23872 on: February 14, 2015, 07:50:28 AM »
The Order review thread will either be the best thread this year or possibly the worst. Thread quality depends on the scores themselves and how good the trolling is, both elements amount to 50/50 when it comes to thread quality. At this point in the game, Sony stans use these posting style methods:

1. If the game reviews well, everyone that didn't suck the games dick must eat crow.
2. If the game reviews moderately well or poorly, game reviewers don't know what good games are and you gotta trust Gaf fuck boys.
3. If the game reviews terribly, it is probably the best and most misunderstood game of all time.

The paranoia in The Order threads is incredible at the minute


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152016416&postcount=3654
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152016494&postcount=3656
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152023124&postcount=3729

Anyone with the slightest criticism must be treated with the same suspicion J. Edgar Hoover treated anyone with the slightest liberal leaning.

Also Thuway remains a twat but it's obvious at this point. 

Edit: Drive by of the year :lawd

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76
« Last Edit: February 14, 2015, 07:57:14 AM by Take My Breh Away »

Kabouter

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #23873 on: February 14, 2015, 08:24:38 AM »
The Order review thread will either be the best thread this year or possibly the worst. Thread quality depends on the scores themselves and how good the trolling is, both elements amount to 50/50 when it comes to thread quality. At this point in the game, Sony stans use these posting style methods:

1. If the game reviews well, everyone that didn't suck the games dick must eat crow.
2. If the game reviews moderately well or poorly, game reviewers don't know what good games are and you gotta trust Gaf fuck boys.
3. If the game reviews terribly, it is probably the best and most misunderstood game of all time.
My money is on it being a terrible thread, but probably (and sadly) not the worst we'll see this year.

On the other hand maybe I should start posting lists of 40+ anarchist/libertarian tracts and demanding people read all of them before pretending they can discuss the legitimacy of the state.
Pass.

Edit: Drive by of the year :lawd

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76
Haha, ghst always reliable :D

Olivia Wilde Homo

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #23874 on: February 14, 2015, 08:47:51 AM »
Demodding Mumei is more a spilled milk problem.  Angry, virginal tumblrites have taken over in many areas and unless Evilore is willing to do a mass ban on these losers, it's not going to solve much of anything.  The Tumblr set needs to be put down but Evilore won't ban them because he needs the ad revenue.  It's a band aid solution.
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zepblackstar

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« Reply #23876 on: February 14, 2015, 09:00:22 AM »
The clues to the Order is right there telling you the gameplay is at best average.




dmj

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #23877 on: February 14, 2015, 09:05:54 AM »
Edit: Drive by of the year :lawd

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76

God that was amazing, I hope he wasn't banned for that post specifically. I could not spot a lie.

Am_I_Anonymous

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Re: Nexus of hardcore salt, enthusiast shitposting, & videogame industry un-persons
« Reply #23878 on: February 14, 2015, 09:32:58 AM »
The Order review thread will either be the best thread this year or possibly the worst. Thread quality depends on the scores themselves and how good the trolling is, both elements amount to 50/50 when it comes to thread quality. At this point in the game, Sony stans use these posting style methods:

1. If the game reviews well, everyone that didn't suck the games dick must eat crow.
2. If the game reviews moderately well or poorly, game reviewers don't know what good games are and you gotta trust Gaf fuck boys.
3. If the game reviews terribly, it is probably the best and most misunderstood game of all time.

The paranoia in The Order threads is incredible at the minute


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152016416&postcount=3654
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152016494&postcount=3656
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=152023124&postcount=3729

Anyone with the slightest criticism must be treated with the same suspicion J. Edgar Hoover treated anyone with the slightest liberal leaning.

Also Thuway remains a twat but it's obvious at this point. 

Edit: Drive by of the year :lawd

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=151950692&postcount=76

And banned.  :badass
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Rman

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« Reply #23879 on: February 14, 2015, 09:37:44 AM »
I have mixed feelings on the whole Mumei thing.
Firstly I think GAF is too far gone for it to make any difference.  I mean even riskychris would be like "Whoa guys chill out." a long time ago.
I think he's well intentioned but has let himself go too far into the rabbit hole.

I remember one thread where I dared say that getting pass out drunk in public was a bad idea and even more so around people you didn't know. He took it to PM saying "I thought you were cool." and chastized me for perpetuating rape culture.
The reason I brought it up is because I used to work with male rape victims and one guy I worked with got raped when he was pass out drunk. And I'd go with him to these speeches he'd give about drinking responsibly and he'd just get it thrown in his face when he'd bring up the rape thing. When really the guy was just saying be on your guard. Of course all that didn't matter, because I dared say something out of his expected line I was practically dead to him.

I also make the joke of "give a list of 20 books" but that's not really a joke. I remember one thread he listed (I counted) exactly 22 books that everyone should read on this one very specific subject. It just boggled my mind. I don't have 22 books about a single subject let alone a very specific one. Like I have more than 22 books on history, but I don't have 22 books on Northwestern Chinese Horsemanship in the 12th century.. It seems to me if you're willing to read yourself that deeply with one skew you've lost touch with how the average person sees it and a little out of touch with reality and put yourself into the ivory tower.

Reminds me of when I met one of my techy heroes at a conference and he was giving this speech that was all wonderful and all but so disconnected with how reality actually worked in businesses and government, and painfully so. I mean anyone with even a year's experience would be like "That's nice but we live in the real world." I saw that he had spent so much time reading about technology and writing about it, that he had this imaginary world where it was as he read and wrote and had lost touch with how it is and anyone pointing to the contrary were just dumb people who didn't understand.

Mumei had good intentions with the recommendations, but sometimes you've gotta remember where you are, a video game forum where grown men argue about sales.

Surprised EL is getting flack from the LBGT community on GAF. Yes, he sometimes lacks finesse in his moderation, but he's been very fair in general. It's one of the few major game forums with such a big community and is protected fiercely in moderation.