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the next step of maximum jimmy rustling would be for a casual mobile game to receive more critical acclaim and success than The Last Of Us.

The success part of that happens regularly.  The critical acclaim won't happen because the traditional media guys only talk about mobile to trash it, generally only reviewing something they can kick in the teeth rather than any of the good stuff.

"But how can there be good stuff when touch controls are inherently awful?"

> ignores how more and more ios games are controller compatible.

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=885304

Driveclub got a graphical downgrade. Collective Sony stan meltdown ensues including everyone saying "that don't look so hot" is a "Concern troll". Along with "It's Just Compressed!", "It's a Beta!" "It looks good in THESE screenshots" etc.

I thought Bish banned shills and Loudninja is still posting. Someone's slackin'

Those were bad shots tho.
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=885304

Driveclub got a graphical downgrade. Collective Sony stan meltdown ensues including everyone saying "that don't look so hot" is a "Concern troll". Along with "It's Just Compressed!", "It's a Beta!" "It looks good in THESE screenshots" etc.

I thought Bish banned shills and Loudninja is still posting. Someone's slackin'

coolasj19 is the worst gaming side poster.

driveclub is one of those games which exists purely to populate shill posts with GIFs of a game which they only played because they felt like they had to, and was never mentioned again except as a "i've got a PS4, what should i buy?" stocking filler.
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Did the previous "women v tropes in gaming" segments garner similar anger and outrage from gamer losers? I only found out about the threats recently. Jeez....

imagine the mental anguish these dudes are having as their exclusive club gets raided by teh womenz :lawd
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Did the previous "women v tropes in gaming" segments garner similar anger and outrage from gamer losers? I only found out about the threats recently. Jeez....

imagine the mental anguish these dudes are having as their exclusive club gets raided by teh womenz :lawd

Jimmies have been rustled ever since the Kickstarter was annouced, iirc, but I try not to follow this shit.
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http://www.thecoli.com/threads/gay-son-or-pornstar-daughter.244294/

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A pornstar daughter you can somehow blame on the mother
A gay son is all on you breh

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Did the previous "women v tropes in gaming" segments garner similar anger and outrage from gamer losers? I only found out about the threats recently. Jeez....

imagine the mental anguish these dudes are having as their exclusive club gets raided by teh womenz :lawd
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=476876
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520365
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=569689
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641071
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641871
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=662765
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=718346
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=797393

I was only going to post the first two because 45 and 76 pages breh but then each subsequent one was locked too.  :lol

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Did the previous "women v tropes in gaming" segments garner similar anger and outrage from gamer losers? I only found out about the threats recently. Jeez....

imagine the mental anguish these dudes are having as their exclusive club gets raided by teh womenz :lawd

It was actually worse early on, if you can believe it. It's crazy because she never says anything controversial. Just that games are mostly for white dudes. Who argues with that? Why?

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The most recent one was the first Anita video I've watched and yeah it's pretty surprising at all the outrage. She just points out tacky and poorly done game writing clearly made that way because of a male centric view. It's not even a condemnation of these games or gaming, just "yeah this shit poorly presents women". Games would be a lot better if they didn't use rape to prop up bad guys or rape as a stepping stoll into being mature.

But then again she's saying this to an audience that is going to eat up Kojima's latest masterpiece as he attempts to use rape to make a female character more "deep". Because yep only women can be raped and the key to writing female characters is basically playing up the female part of them.

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Did the previous "women v tropes in gaming" segments garner similar anger and outrage from gamer losers? I only found out about the threats recently. Jeez....

imagine the mental anguish these dudes are having as their exclusive club gets raided by teh womenz :lawd

It was actually worse early on, if you can believe it. It's crazy because she never says anything controversial. Just that games are mostly for white dudes. Who argues with that? Why?
Dumbshits are scared they're not going to be catered to like the way they used to. Also, shame. Always bet on shame.

Whatever change is happening comes down to business reasons first and foremost. Even the indie boom is in large part the result of developers shedding talent left and right.

Phoenix Dark

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Did the previous "women v tropes in gaming" segments garner similar anger and outrage from gamer losers? I only found out about the threats recently. Jeez....

imagine the mental anguish these dudes are having as their exclusive club gets raided by teh womenz :lawd
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=476876
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520365
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=569689
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641071
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641871
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=662765
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=718346
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=797393

I was only going to post the first two because 45 and 76 pages breh but then each subsequent one was locked too.  :lol

SMH :mindblown

what's the MGS rape thing? In the recent game? Help a non-gamer out brehs.
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Did the previous "women v tropes in gaming" segments garner similar anger and outrage from gamer losers? I only found out about the threats recently. Jeez....

imagine the mental anguish these dudes are having as their exclusive club gets raided by teh womenz :lawd
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=476876
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520365
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=569689
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641071
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=641871
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=662765
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=718346
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=797393

I was only going to post the first two because 45 and 76 pages breh but then each subsequent one was locked too.  :lol

SMH :mindblown

what's the MGS rape thing? In the recent game? Help a non-gamer out brehs.

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A villain named Skullface (yeah) forces two characters from Peace Walker, Paz and Chico (who's like 12) to have sex with each other. Not to mention Paz being repeatedly raped by soldiers in the base. Also between all those rapes, they managed to put a bomb in her uterus.

 All this traumatizes Chico so much that he has a sex change. (theorized)
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Kojima-sama :lawd

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Trigger Warning: Contains Gratuitous Kojima
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A villain named Skullface (yeah) forces two characters from Peace Walker, Paz and Chico (who's like 12) to have sex with each other. Not to mention Paz being repeatedly raped by soldiers in the base. Also between all those rapes, they managed to put a bomb in her uterus.

 All this traumatizes Chico so much that he has a sex change. (theorized)
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Kojima-sama :lawd

kojima stealing plots from mark millar? does wonder never cease

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Chico is not Quiet  :comeon
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She gave me mood swings with this:
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The fact you got a Game Boy for Christmas and liked it so much you stopped doing anything else doesn’t entitle you to a revolution. Your fandom is not your identity. Your fandom is not a race.

If you think it is, then you’re in our way, and the work I do specifically exists to dispossess you of your sense of relevance. If you don’t like it, good. I’m much louder than you. And we have an army.
Because it gave me the buckley chills:
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jesus christ
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She gave me mood swings with this:
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The fact you got a Game Boy for Christmas and liked it so much you stopped doing anything else doesn’t entitle you to a revolution. Your fandom is not your identity. Your fandom is not a race.

If you think it is, then you’re in our way, and the work I do specifically exists to dispossess you of your sense of relevance. If you don’t like it, good. I’m much louder than you. And we have an army.
Because it gave me the buckley chills:
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jesus christ

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Honestly I don't think the people threatening Anita are doing it over anything she's actually said or done.  I think they're just losers that are looking for a target.  And here they've had months of people shouting about how they have armies and they are the future of gaming and these losers are just like "oh yeah?" And settled on their attacks not because they have any disagreement but because they're visible
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=885304

Driveclub got a graphical downgrade. Collective Sony stan meltdown ensues including everyone saying "that don't look so hot" is a "Concern troll". Along with "It's Just Compressed!", "It's a Beta!" "It looks good in THESE screenshots" etc.

I thought Bish banned shills and Loudninja is still posting. Someone's slackin'

coolasj19 is the worst gaming side poster.

driveclub is one of those games which exists purely to populate shill posts with GIFs of a game which they only played because they felt like they had to, and was never mentioned again except as a "i've got a PS4, what should i buy?" stocking filler.

 :whew

I knew something was wrong with that game when I heard it wasn't a sim yet looked nothing at all like an arcadey racer.

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another suicide thread...
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Dennis is.

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i was hoping he was temporary.

StealthFan

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This whole thing with Anita is disgusting, tbh. So she makes some stupid, cherry-picked videos? You know who else does that? Literally every YouTuber in existence. The backlash against her is really weird to me. I watched one of the videos, disagreed with a lot of it, agreed with a lot of it, then just sort of moved on with my life. I just don't see any angle that isn't because she's a chick that has gotten people into such a tizzy.

And the whole Quinn thing was weird to me too. Okay, so she cheated on her boyfriend a ton. Great. That makes her a bad girlfriend. The people that should've received the entire brunt of the backlash were the supposed journalists who involved themselves with a potential conflict of interest.

And the lazy defense of "oh, but they hadn't really covered her game" is bullshit. Unless she retired from the industry, the conflict of interest still exists - as the rampant censoring of the story showed. The incestuous relationship between supposed "journalists" and the industry should have been on trial, with the five dudes who compromised their integrity for the sake of sex bearing the brunt. But no, Quinn reminded foreveralones of their shit existence so it became about her instead.

tl;dr: Dweebs need to learn to calm down.

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And the whole Quinn thing was weird to me too. Okay, so she cheated on her boyfriend a ton. Great. That makes her a bad girlfriend. The people that should've received the entire brunt of the backlash were the supposed journalists who involved themselves with a potential conflict of interest.
I guarantee you if it were a female journalist sleeping with a male developer she wouldn't hear the end of it.

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http://www.reddit.com/r/NeoFAG/comments/2f0lm9/dennis_formerly_dennisk4_preban_post/

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Why does it always come off as creepy when a guy calls girls "females"?

Oh yeah, cause it is.

 :what :mindblown

Tell me I'm reading and or interpreting that wrong because.....what the fuck?

And the whole Quinn thing was weird to me too. Okay, so she cheated on her boyfriend a ton. Great. That makes her a bad girlfriend. The people that should've received the entire brunt of the backlash were the supposed journalists who involved themselves with a potential conflict of interest.
I guarantee you if it were a female journalist sleeping with a male developer she wouldn't hear the end of it.

Yeah, no doubt.

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Why does it always come off as creepy when a guy calls girls "females"?

Oh yeah, cause it is.

 :what :mindblown

Tell me I'm reading and or interpreting that wrong because.....what the fuck?

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Kojima is really, really good at making games and creating awesome stuff like putting your sound up in Snatcher, the memory card and control thing in MGS etc. He just needs to hire someone else to write his stories

Rufus

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What if that's all he does these days? Write, I mean. :hitler

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Kojima is really, really good at making games and creating awesome stuff like putting your sound up in Snatcher, the memory card and control thing in MGS etc. He just needs to hire someone else to write his stories

A part of me still hopes he's been trolling us since MGS3 wrapped up. Most of me knows better.

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And the whole Quinn thing was weird to me too. Okay, so she cheated on her boyfriend a ton. Great. That makes her a bad girlfriend. The people that should've received the entire brunt of the backlash were the supposed journalists who involved themselves with a potential conflict of interest.

And the lazy defense of "oh, but they hadn't really covered her game" is bullshit. Unless she retired from the industry, the conflict of interest still exists - as the rampant censoring of the story showed. The incestuous relationship between supposed "journalists" and the industry should have been on trial, with the five dudes who compromised their integrity for the sake of sex bearing the brunt. But no, Quinn reminded foreveralones of their shit existence so it became about her instead.

The 'journalists' are taking the backlash up the ass. They are just trying their best to bury the whole thing and refuse to talk about their conflict of interest.

Worried that you are a coward? Don't worry. You will never be as craven and snivelling a coward as the games journalists.

Dennis

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Like, a better opportunity for this to come up?  Republique.  That was 100% buddies watching out for their buddy.  But no one said a damned thing even though it was incredibly obvious.  Wonder why.

Probably because no one has heard of Republique. This has attention. And so the 'journalists' are running about like scared headless chickens.

There really is no true classical journalism in games media. Time to own up to it and stop pretending. It is all promotion and enthusiast chatter.

Dennis

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And the 'journalists' spewing contempt for gamers has me rolling my eyes so hard I fear they may leave my head  ::)

You are not even real jounalists for fucks sake. Your perspective is completely warped by the bubble of circle-jerking games media and indie pretend-developers you exist in. No one outside that bubble sees you as authorities on gaming let alone anything related to social justice. Get the fuck over yourselves already.

Once you find yourself despising your audience it is time for a career change.

Dennis

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République? I looked it up and it is a mobile game. That was never going to create a stir.

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Whatever, Dennis.  You're still the same idiot you always were.  Have a great summer.

You know, dip shit. If you had addressed me like you wanted a conversation instead of just throwing insults maybe this would have turned out better.

You seem to have a problem with people disagreeing with you. Which is why you fled GAF.

Oblivion

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I don't claim to be a journalist.  I write reviews of iPhone games.  Sometimes I write about RPGs.  And I don't hate my audience.  The mobile audience behaves itself quite a bit better.  I *did* hate my audience 12 or so years ago, so I changed my career. 

I haven't written anything official about social justice.  I never will.  I review iPhone games.  That circle jerk you're referring to?  I've been outside of it for over a decade and I don't expect I'll ever rejoin.  No interest.  But I have been shaking my head at people's behaviour in reaction to all of this, and honestly, if you haven't, you're a fucking piece of shit.

I've been meaning to ask you about that. Do you do professional reviews, or is it just a hobby on your blog or something?

Yeah, why does this have attention, you fucking rapist?  Because it involves a woman. 

Whereas the time that the buddy-buddy thing actually resulted in significant coverage and boosted review scores, not a peep.

I agree, though, there isn't much in the way of classical journalism in games media.  It's a young medium and it's entertainment media.  It has little, if any, need for "classical journalism".  We also need to get away from asking for and pretending there's objectivity in reviewing entertainment, because no other form of entertainment's reviews even bother with that.  Entertainment is subjective, but there are so many sperglords in games that there's this bizarre demand to try to pretend games aren't.

I'm having trouble parsing what you're getting at, since it's mixed with you and Dennis's slapfight, but I think we're on the same page for the most part. I hadn't heard anything about the Republique thing. I'm going to have to look that one up.

But one thing is that you can find the behavior of the industry folks as disgusting without thinking the death threats and horseshit harassment from angry manchildren is far, far, more disgusting. Like I said, it's clear this all picked up traction because there are women involved (Quinn and Anita).

EDIT: And I'm a real life journalist, at the moment. When I do game reviews, it's about 50 percent of us buying the product ourselves because we, by policy can't accept certain policies the public relations people put on review code.

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Oblivion

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just a hobby on my blog.  keeps me busy during downtime in my real job.

Ah okay.

Now I can die happy.

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Momo

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=127774727&postcount=84

the replies this post gets :hitler

TDM you should just ban all these fools for giving you lip  :gurl

Dennis

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Kojima is really, really good at making games and creating awesome stuff like putting your sound up in Snatcher, the memory card and control thing in MGS etc. He just needs to hire someone else to write his stories

When he has self-contained stories (Policenauts, Snatcher, MGS1, MGS3) he works.

But when they're a huge overarching inter-connected story (that has to drag self-contained stories in for STORY REASONS LOL) he falls on his face and doesn't get up.


Himu

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Bonus points for me who doesn't pay attention to the gaming industry anymore. Have no clue what you guys are talking about that feels good.
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Fuck da gayming industry.
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damn that Leigh article on gamasutra is five floors of fuckwaddery

hate to agree with that blowhard TotalBiscuit but she shat the pot on this. She just gives a cartoon stereotype to the entire gaming audience and their mindset.  Most of what she stereotypes isn't exclusive to gamers. It's just general internet fuckwaddery.

There is a discussion to be had on the fact games journalism is just fanboys looking for attention from their idols, but there's also fuckwads jumping in to piss on some chick, and then equally fuckwad but better mannered journalists emphasizing the fuckwads to avoid the issue of their being dishonest fuckwads themselves.


Phoenix Dark

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It's amazing how much gaming journalism seems to mirror music journalism, specifically in terms of cozy relationships with artists and "gifts" influencing scores. Not to mention how serious certain reviews can be taken. Back in the 90s many rappers lived or died (commercially) based on their review in The Source. Today there isn't a golden standard like that anymore but the pressure remains on bigger sites like Pitchfork and small blogs.

How do you remain impartial when your tweets, personal views, comments, etc all influence access to the artist; ie bad reviews=no invitation to the listening party, accusations of being a hater, being discredited by a record label etc.

Also the issue of fans punishing you. I remember a lot of people hating on ign back when I cared about console gaming. Not enough to hurt ign but similar ire could probably fuck up a smaller site. Just as certain blogs get shitcanned in rap for "hating" on an artist. A buddy of mine used to work for Interscope and said they pay a lot of attention to reviews and handle the media based on who supports their artists and who doesn't.
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She gave me mood swings with this:
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The fact you got a Game Boy for Christmas and liked it so much you stopped doing anything else doesn’t entitle you to a revolution. Your fandom is not your identity. Your fandom is not a race.

If you think it is, then you’re in our way, and the work I do specifically exists to dispossess you of your sense of relevance. If you don’t like it, good. I’m much louder than you. And we have an army.
Because it gave me the buckley chills:
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jesus christ

a whole army

like with divisions and units and squads

sounds pretty srs
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Eel O'Brian

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that's okay, they rushed to his defense when he got fired over giving a bad review to a non-sacred game
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And I want to add you bring up an interesting point about the fans wanting press to "stay on script" as much as the publishers do at times.  Who did Gerstmann get a bigger backlash from over his 8.8 Zelda review, Nintendo or the readers, I wonder?

Gerstmann got threats sent in that had his home address printed on them. Gamespot had to call the local police who brought in the feds. I doubt Nintendo wanted anywhere near that shitstorm.

Most of the time it's not about transperancy and objectiveness. It's about towing your readers/viewers line for cash. Rupert Murdoch took a million dollary doo Australian paper conglomerate and made a billion dollar global empire by telling people what they wanted to hear and pandering to the popular opinion. I'd guarantee you that most of the spergs fighting this "Quinnspiracy" battle don't want an actual objective and transparent press. They just want the press to say nice things about the games they like and shit on others opinions.

Oscar has it mostly right, but there needs to be a division between the reviewers and the editorial/blogging/PR arm of the enthusiast press. Keep the reviewers separate from the necessary glad handing, give them a level of autonomy and don't allow them to accept any concession that isn't review code. Traditional news learned that lesson decades ago.

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i don't get the reference

...do i want to?
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