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BrokenVerses

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There is no way this game will live up to a decade of hopes, dreams, and hype and these crazed fans will always be haunted by the ghost of Versus and what could have been.

I can already imagine how insufferable the threads will be.

Rahxephon91

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Because Souls is clearly like a combo driven, juggling inducing, over the top fast paced action game.

I never said it was. I just want to know where this supposed depth is and why a game that is so unresponsive, slow and prone to camera errors is considered such a high tier action game.
I would assume it's suposed to be a deliberate slow animation=be careful and watch your moves and thier moves game.

Kind of like Resident Evil 4 and its controls. You can't aim, shoot, and move because the the entire point is to be careful about your movement and space, and it adds tension and puts emphasis on skillful and quick aiming. It makes no sense to not be able to aim and move so some people can't handle that, but for others they consider it one of the best action games.

I don't like Souls but I'm sure it's something like that. Plus the level design and general exploration and emphasis on self-discovery.

Himu

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Dark Souls has depth. Parrying, requires precise timing and practice. Dodging, rolling, timing, evasion in general. Dark Souls takes skill and every other hallmark of a great game.

I just don't like playing it. Even if you don't like Dark Souls I fail to see how you cannot understand how it has depth. You are practically are tested and forced to experiment in those games.  There's a boss where you walk into a boss room with a horned demon running straight at you, there's a space too small to go for on your left, and a wide gap on your right, but stairs on the left, and you cannot turn back so there's no space for retreat. The boss is accompanied by two dogs. Managing to learn to how to evade the Capra Demon's first very fast attack, evade the dogs, climb up the stairs, bait the dogs as you kill them off so you can fight solo in five seconds make it a great encounter full of calculable decision making, reflexes, and skill.

You don't have to like Souls but saying it requires no skill is laughable and shows how far you likely got, which probably wasn't very far at all.
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mormapope

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I never said it was. I just want to know where this supposed depth is and why a game that is so unresponsive, slow and prone to camera errors is considered such a high tier action game.

Also, I hate how if I raise a criticism of a Souls game the instant assumption is that I am bad at the game or didn't try to learn how to play it.

The depth is building your character via upgrading stats and gear. The gameplay itself is simple as fuck, punish the enemies via blocking their attack or strafing and dodging to hit their ass. Anyone that tries to sell the mechanics themselves as having depth, they're usually Souls fanboys.



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mormapope

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Dark Souls has depth. Parrying, requires precise timing and practice. Dodging, rolling, timing, evasion in general. Dark Souls takes skill and every other hallmark of a great game.

I just don't like playing it. Even if you don't like Dark Souls I fail to see how you cannot understand how it has depth. You are practically are tested and forced to experiment in those games.  There's a boss where you walk into a boss room with a horned demon running straight at you, there's a space too small to go for on your left, and a wide gap on your right, but stairs on the left, and you cannot turn back so there's no space for retreat. The boss is accompanied by two dogs. Managing to learn to how to evade the Capra Demon's first very fast attack, evade the dogs, climb up the stairs, bait the dogs as you kill them off so you can fight solo in five seconds make it a great encounter full of calculable decision making, reflexes, and skill.

You don't have to like Souls but saying it requires no skill is laughable and shows how far you likely got, which probably wasn't very far at all.

I wouldn't define on the fly skill building as depth though, what you're describing sounds like simple problem solving revolving around one's own skill rather than how deep the gameplay and mechanics are. MGS1 boss fights on harder difficulties require skill and pattern recognition, but there isn't a ton of depth, every boss fight is simple.

The depth of Dark Souls is crafting your character for the next 50 hours. If you fuck up a character build, you can continue onwards, but at the cost of playing the game comfortably.
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:what

People can comfortably beat Souls game at soul level 1. The game has to be deep enough to accommodate allowing the player to do something like that, aka completely forgo gear and stats and beat everything purely via mechanics.

Rufus

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Sounds like bluemax fell into a 'best practices' hole. :teehee

Or they're just old. :larry

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Fair enough I tried playing Souls 1 a few years ago but never got far. I put at least 5/10 hours in it but it never clicked.

Thinking back now in retrospect I was very inpatient in my play style and not really concentrating and understanding the game. Playing with a beer, talking to my gf while playing etc. I also didn't use any guides.

Then last year I got Demon Souls for cheap and decided to give the series another go. I used a guide and had a lot of fun beating the game with it.

I bought Bloodborne and almost finished the entire game without looking too much stuff up (in fact I looked up so little I didnt get the true ending and missed some optional areas), because I understand now how to play these games now and I am more patient. Had loads of fun and so far it's in my top 3 for this gen.

People that says Souls suck/is overated are not always bad players or anything, but they simply don't understand how the game works often I think.


archnemesis

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I love the exploration aspect of the series so I avoid looking things up before I reach the end credits.

Cerveza mas fina

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Me too! Thats why I almost didnt do it in BB.

Most annoying thing about the Souls games is how random they can be with things you need to do for certain events/loot

True ending in BB? No way in hell you get that without detailed prior info

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=174257613

Only Sony cares about the environment!

Himu

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I never said it was. I just want to know where this supposed depth is and why a game that is so unresponsive, slow and prone to camera errors is considered such a high tier action game.

Also, I hate how if I raise a criticism of a Souls game the instant assumption is that I am bad at the game or didn't try to learn how to play it.

The depth is building your character via upgrading stats and gear. The gameplay itself is simple as fuck, punish the enemies via blocking their attack or strafing and dodging to hit their ass. Anyone that tries to sell the mechanics themselves as having depth, they're usually Souls fanboys.

You say this and yet I've seen Iconoclast play Souls with a character with nothing but underwear and dodge very hard attacks with merely rolling.

Stat min maxing is the easy part of DS for anyone actually accustomed to playing an rpg.
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Take My Breh Away

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http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=174257613

Only Sony cares about the environment!

I live 20 minutes away from Microsoft's Global Cloud Data centre. They ain't wasting shit considering this country is fucked anyway.

My Xbox Live ping being always in the 20-40ms range tho' :rejoice

mormapope

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:what

People can comfortably beat Souls game at soul level 1. The game has to be deep enough to accommodate allowing the player to do something like that, aka completely forgo gear and stats and beat everything purely via mechanics.

Mainly because those people upgrade weapons that don't require any character leveling. The people that can beat the game with a ladle/fists and no leveling are few and far between. My counter argument would be the mechanics are simple enough to accommodate any playstyle. Read your enemy, know your enemy, and punish.

 
Not many people here probably want to see this debate continue, but its very interesting that people can see depth in something for very different reasons.
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Alcoholic Fish

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PD, they're doing you dirty in that afro thread.

Phoenix Dark

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It's to be expected. Not going to pop shit here, I prefer to do it there - unlike BCT anime wizards.
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Mr. Nobody

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It's to be expected. Not going to pop shit here, I prefer to do it there - unlike BCT anime wizards.
Don Lemon though?  :dead

Kara

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:what

People can comfortably beat Souls game at soul level 1. The game has to be deep enough to accommodate allowing the player to do something like that, aka completely forgo gear and stats and beat everything purely via mechanics.

:gurl

PD, they're doing you dirty in that afro thread.

i was just about to mention this  :lol

"one of the good ones", holy shit

Himu

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Link to PD shade in that thread, plz
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Himu

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Wait wait, PD.

"I haven't seen any evidence to suggest most natural hair styles are looked down upon. "

Stop.

:lol

Just stop now.
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Jansen

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Thread meltdown underway.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1090782

I know about the crappy trailer S-E released but what is the problem now?

Oh looks like the game isn't coming out anytime soon. What a shock! Now the question is will it be 11 or 12 years from announcement to release :sabu
« Last Edit: August 05, 2015, 12:55:42 PM by Jansen »

Phoenix Dark

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Wait wait, PD.

"I haven't seen any evidence to suggest most natural hair styles are looked down upon. "

Stop.

:lol

Just stop now.

Can't stop. Won't stop.
:rejoice

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Himu

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:lol

Regarding that black women age 10 years younger thread, people regularly think I look like I just graduated High School. :larry I'm 29 :larry
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mormapope

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Thread meltdown underway.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1090782

More meltdowns in a different thread.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1090647

Mafia 3 has a mixed black dude as the main character. Apparently Mafia was a series that didn't have a hokey and grade D fictionalization of Italian organized crime to begin with  :lol
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mormapope

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All the people that were emotionally attached to Final Fantasy Versus concepts that are nearing a decade of age  :trash
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Phoenix Dark

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:lol

Regarding that black women age 10 years younger thread, people regularly think I look like I just graduated High School. :larry I'm 29 :larry

you know who else hasn't aged a day?
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The GOAT. Still looking 17 :lawd
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Jansen

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I like how they don't have anything to show of FF15 so the are drinking instead :lol fucking awesome


Himu

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:lol

Regarding that black women age 10 years younger thread, people regularly think I look like I just graduated High School. :larry I'm 29 :larry

you know who else hasn't aged a day?
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The GOAT. Still looking 17 :lawd
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He's fine as hell. :aah
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studyguy

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1090836

 :drudge Bethesda game looks like ass, more news at 11  :drudge
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archie4208

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1090839

Make him a mod again already so he can stop these dissertations.

Himu

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what's there to discuss? cacs don't wanna play as black folk. we established this with gtasa.
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Jansen

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1090839

Make him a mod again already so he can stop these dissertations.

he want's it so bad you can just see the desperation dripping off every post he makes like that one

Himu

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1090836

 :drudge Bethesda game looks like ass, more news at 11  :drudge

:jawalrus

What were we talking about a few pages back? :aah
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Jansen

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1090644



“Embark on a chest-expanding adventure,” the teaser website reads. A new roguelike RPG of wondrous chest sizes begins.”

let us play GUESS THE PLATFORM

studyguy

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Ngage & Ouya exclusive
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Alcoholic Fish

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1090839

Make him a mod again already so he can stop these dissertations.

His quest to get re-modded on a gaming forum is both hilarious and incredibly depressing.

studyguy

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That the dude that flipped donations for drugs and shit?
How is he not perma'd
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Tasty

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Shadow Mod

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PD to really jump start that thread you should post pictures of white people from the 80/90s.

Perm city baby.


Phoenix Dark

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I was thinking more along the lines of "why don't black women stop appropriating white culture with weaves"

:trollbron
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Shadow Mod

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Whenever I look at pics of my mom from the 80s I give her so much shit.

The baggy clothes, the perm, the huge glasses.

 :gurl

nachobro

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How long is it gonna take before Amirox realizes no one actually reads his long ass shit? Seems Mumei finally figured it out and stopped with that crap

Shadow Mod

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Essays about video games  :trash

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1090644

(Image removed from quote.)

“Embark on a chest-expanding adventure,” the teaser website reads. A new roguelike RPG of wondrous chest sizes begins.”

let us play GUESS THE PLATFORM

Why gaf got pedos and a female membership problem.

 :idont
« Last Edit: August 05, 2015, 02:04:22 PM by Shadow Mod »

studyguy

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You could have had the same effect about race and videogames by linking to the old thread about San Andrea's launch trailer.

no need for a tl;dr
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Shadow Mod

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Games need more happy boobs and less angry people killing each other

 :beli

Vita is the biggest L I've ever seen.

Joe Molotov

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Games need more happy boobs and less angry people killing each other

 :beli

Vita is the biggest L I've ever seen.

More like the biggest ω.
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Mr. Nobody

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I should continue playing Shovel Knight on my Vita  :aah

nachobro

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Vita isn't bad for PS1 RPGs and remote play. I haven't used it for anything else really

Shadow Mod

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That the dude that flipped donations for drugs and shit?
How is he not perma'd

What's even more comical is when you read modbot reasons for closing threads involving personal kickstarters and shit.

Yulwei

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Games need more happy boobs and less angry people killing each other

 :beli

Vita is the biggest L I've ever seen.

How delusional do you have to be to think you're standing on the moral high ground because you choose to play pedo anime shit instead of games where you can beat people up? lmao

BrokenVerses

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174294855&postcount=1444

What will come first, FFXV's release or Kagari's nervous breakdown.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174294855&postcount=1444

What will come first, FFXV's release or Kagari's nervous breakdown.

You just don't understand. Tabata keeps changing things that Lord Nomura-sama came up with and were perfect. HE KEEPS MESSING WITH MY LORD'S VISION.


Tasty

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Games need more happy boobs and less angry people killing each other

 :beli

Vita is the biggest L I've ever seen.

More like the biggest ω.

More like

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There are no boobs on Vita, only the flat chests of 1000 year old demons. :uguu
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Himu

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White folks can also naturally have afros. Jewfros are a thing.
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Kara

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=174294855&postcount=1444

What will come first, FFXV's release or Kagari's nervous breakdown.

Are we controlling for Creepy Stalker?