Mike Brown shooting thread - No indictment! Get out and protest!

[Cerveza mas fina]

Only jobs that will be left will be either normal low paid service jobs that can't be outsourced, like restaurant staff/cleaners, and high end specialized jobs.

Middle class will mostly evaporate, what will be left of them will work in support of the high end jobs or as bosses of the lower paid ones/independents.

Except more and more shops to close down as good will be bought cheaply online, or digital. Further reducing the number of people in the workforce here in the process.

[StealthFan]

That's when you kill the rich

[ZephyrFate]

The rise of the corporatocracy/plutocracy we live in is hand in hand with the militarization and fascism we're experiencing now. It's an endless chain, rung upon rung, of shit all the way up to the top.

and we like to blame Bush/Obama so easily, but this shit easily goes back to Reagan or probably Nixon.

[Shadow Mod]

Only jobs that will be left will be either normal low paid service jobs that can't be outsourced, like restaurant staff/cleaners, and high end specialized jobs.

Middle class will mostly evaporate, what will be left of them will work in support of the high end jobs or as bosses of the lower paid ones/independents.

Except more and more shops to close down as good will be bought cheaply online, or digital. Further reducing the number of people in the workforce here in the process.

Especially since public works projects is evil socialism at work.

The rise of the corporatocracy/plutocracy we live in is hand in hand with the militarization and fascism we're experiencing now. It's an endless chain, rung upon rung, of shit all the way up to the top.

and we like to blame Bush/Obama so easily, but this shit easily goes back to Reagan or probably Nixon.

Even before them.

[ZephyrFate]

The press conference by Ferguson PD right now is embarrassing and horrifying. WON'T ANYONE PLEASE THINK OF THE COPS' FAMILIES, FOUR ROCKS WERE THROWN AT THEM SO WE HAD TO SHOOT TEAR GAS AT PEOPLE AND ARREST THE PRESS, ALSO NO PRESS WERE ARRESTED TODAY EVEN THO TWO FOREIGN PRESS REPORTERS WERE, ALSO HERE'S A COBBLED TOGETHER SHOT OF A MOLOTOV COCKTAIL THAT NO ONE HAS PROOF WAS USED AGAINST ANY COP EXCEPT FOR A COP WHO SAID SO SO IT MUST BE THE TRUTH

#abloo #abloo

[bluemax]

With the rise of China and India and other countries it inevitable that our western working classes will become poorer again.

The 50/60 post war years of middle class bliss were just an anomaly due to a number of geo political and economical factors.

We can't all get richer, but as we aren't producing anything real we def won't.

And what we do produce is military weaponry and equipment, and when someone wants to shut that shit down so called liberal senators like Feinstein fight it tooth and nail because those are jobs for her constituents. It's a fucking mess.

Good thing I work for a company that makes a large amount of its money from selling trade show demos to defense contractors!

(I actually feel really dirty about this)

[Shadow Mod]

 

[T-Short]

Media here are running headlines about police in Ferguson coming under "heavy fire" from protestors, citing "a police captain". Saying that bottles, rocks and molotovs are being thrown at the cops.

[archnemesis]

Media here are running headlines about police in Ferguson coming under "heavy fire" from protestors, citing "a police captain". Saying that bottles, rocks and molotovs are being thrown at the cops.

Source? Nevermind, I found an article on DN.se.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Mass media is just the mans the puppet in the end.

[etiolate]

The thing about protests is that everybody attaches their own personal protest to whatever you're protesting. YOu're going to have people doing their own thing in Ferguson as the situation has presented the opportunity to do so.

[StealthFan]

Can't trust the jewish media. Need to get your info from outside sources.

[StealthFan]

Posting infowars links

[benjipwns]

I think it goes even beyond that. The US has been rapidly becoming more and more fascist. People are finally waking up to what it means by witnessing Ferguson. You have the Pentagon giving away and selling shit used in Iraq to local police departments under the guise of "domestic terrorism." What's it truly mean other than a stamping out of citizen uprising. This shit's just the beginning and it's gone on this long because racial tensions makes it even more easy to intimidate, threaten and gas an entire black community, but it won't end there unless people wake up.

The George Bush administration, the war on terror and Obama being too afraid of republican white people really did a number on the US.

To be fair it was something coalescing before that fucknut came into office but he definitely expedited the process.

With the rise of China and India and other countries it inevitable that our western working classes will become poorer again.

The 50/60 post war years of middle class bliss were just an anomaly due to a number of geo political and economical factors.

We can't all get richer, but as we aren't producing anything real we def won't.

And what we do produce is military weaponry and equipment, and when someone wants to shut that shit down so called liberal senators like Feinstein fight it tooth and nail because those are jobs for her constituents. It's a fucking mess.

The rise of the corporatocracy/plutocracy we live in is hand in hand with the militarization and fascism we're experiencing now. It's an endless chain, rung upon rung, of shit all the way up to the top.

and we like to blame Bush/Obama so easily, but this shit easily goes back to Reagan or probably Nixon.

Especially since public works projects is evil socialism at work.


Even before them.

kids, kids, settle down, let daddy anarcachist tell you a story...

[Cerveza mas fina]

kids, kids, settle down, let daddy anarcachist tell you a story...

[Positive Touch]

Media here are running headlines about police in Ferguson coming under "heavy fire" from protestors, citing "a police captain". Saying that bottles, rocks and molotovs are being thrown at the cops.

I was down there last night and I can confirm that this is a bunch of bullshit. the bottles they refer to are the water bottles that get handed out during the day. the rock were from a handful of kid who threw them at a couple cops cars as they sped past. and since there were no Molotovs thrown, it's either made-up or they're referring to a glass bottle that was thrown that kicked off the tear gas (thrown by a goddamn white anarchist btw).

and before shit popped off I saw that shitty cnn reporter lurking through the crowd (while all the other media was hidden behind swat), framing everything as if it was the protesters fault and that we were the antagonizers. fuck cnn.

[Positive Touch]

jaydub, if your gonna bitch  at people for not having all the facts, then please make sure you DO have all the facts when you try to tell a story

[T-Short]

Saw that this pic is making the rounds on twitter:



But it's from this story in april, not Ferguson:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/columns-blogs/john-l-smith/government-full-force-corral-cattle-first-amendment

[Brehvolution]

Story after story talks about a non-existent and shitty police response to this looting and destruction.

Yet they'll gun down a kid for stealing some cigars.

[DCharlieJP]

IF the account of the man charging at the officer is correct, then the officer shooting the man would be justified.

and let's face it - it's one account vs five or so others. It's almost certainly bullshit so people will run over the web and post shit like "IF the account of the man charging at the officer is correct, then the officer shooting the man would be justified."

[Cerveza mas fina]

So the best some people can come up with now is Brown charging the cop like a rhino from 50 feet away, then getting shot so far from the officer that there are no powder traces on him?

Sounds silly no? If Brown was so far away why would he charge like a rhino with his head down? Couldn't the cop just move out of the way then? Its not like Brown has a horn to injure the policeman.

If he shot 6 times at Brown charging why did he keep shooting at him if Brown went down?

It all makes no sense.

[Brehvolution]

Story after story talks about a non-existent and shitty police response to this looting and destruction.

Yet they'll gun down a kid for stealing some cigars.

IF the account of the man charging at the officer is correct, then the officer shooting the man would be justified.

The kid tried to grab the cop's gun in his car, even shot off a round, fled and was shot by the cop. Turned around with his hands up, but was only shot and killed when he decided to charge the cop? Plus he had weed in his blood, possibly suffering from reefer madness. Liked rap.

Totally justified.

[Great Rumbler]

Yet the local newspaper reporter says "Police sources tell me more than a dozen witnesses have corroborated cop's version of events in shooting"

Oh well, case closed, then!

[Great Rumbler]

Police used a new tactic tonight. They would move in and extract the 1 or 2 individuals that were causing the problem. Much better than gas.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Yet the local newspaper reporter says

[Cerveza mas fina]

I can't tell all these cacs apart sorry

[CatsCatsCats]

JD you're defending a broken system.

[CatsCatsCats]

Yes. Trust the courts. Dred Scott is buried down the road from Ferguson, ya know that?

[Great Rumbler]

Not hard to see the story Fox is licking their chops over here.  Project: Blame this all on Obama is likely well underway.

Oh, it is:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/08/18/foxs-todd-starnes-accuses-obama-administration/200463
http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/08/18/limbaugh-politicizes-michael-brown-shooting-the/200462
http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/08/18/ingraham-community-organizing-past-of-barack-ob/200460
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/08/15/fox-news-deceptively-edits-obama-to-suggest-he/200452
http://mediamatters.org/research/2014/08/14/fox-hosts-claim-obama-inflamed-tensions-in-miss/200447

[Cerveza mas fina]

I can't tell all these cacs apart sorry

S'cool.  You can be a racist dickhead if you want, I'll stick to the facts rather than personal biases.

[CatsCatsCats]

Yes. Trust the courts.

I don't blindly trust the courts, up to and including the Supreme Court; courts can have corrupt / incompetent judges... as evidenced by the Supreme Court.

You seem to be saying you have no faith in any court ever being run competently or fairly.

Or maybe I'm pointing out that this particular court system doesn't have a stellar track record in regards to certain issues that might justify skepticism instead of just saying "don't worry, the grand jury will suss all this out!"

Don't be thick.

But then again, here you are denying systematic problems once more. Only corrupt individuals in your fantasy land, no corrupt system.

[headwalk]

The thing about protests is that everybody attaches their own personal protest to whatever you're protesting. YOu're going to have people doing their own thing in Ferguson as the situation has presented the opportunity to do so.

this kinda just relates into an age old issue of democracy. protests are often an uncomfortable coming together of disparate bands who attempt to apply blunt force trauma to what are often complex issues. this isn't the fault of the protesters, it's is a failing of a system where the democratic failsafe takes the form of a lumbering simpleton who can only speak in tabloid headlines.

it makes it the most effortless thing for those in authority, who don't have to scream in unison to deploy their message, to simply underline the complexity of the issue and marginalise the wailing on those grounds alone.

[brob]

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, as usual.

what kind of career politician opining is this? Where your sandals, wrapa and Capris breh?

[sarslip]

brown kicked the cops door in preventing him from exiting?
then the cop gets out somehow, and brown punches him in the face?
then brown fires off a round of the cop's gun still in the holster?
then runs away, then doesnt run away and taunts the cop to shoot?
then runs at the cop full speed?

this would be the ballsiest shit ever if it werent complete bullshit.

[Phoenix Dark]

Interesting class debate going on here. I've been reading a lot of people on the interbutts past couple of years saying that due to resulting unemployment from increasing automation America's future has two options; some kind of socialism with super heavy social nets or an Elysium-esque corporate future.

The truth is probably somewhere in the middle, as usual.

We're definitely moving to a service economy in the meantime. Hotel, fast food, and other service industries are pretty much the only sectors growing above average right now outside of health care. You could accurately argue that's normal: those jobs come back first as an economy improves, then the high paying middle class jobs follow. But there will likely be fewer of those good jobs given the increases in productivity during the recession; companies are making more money hiring fewer people.

The funny thing is that we could be creating a lot of jobs in energy - green as well as oil - yet we're sitting on our hands outside of a few states.

[Brehvolution]

The kid tried to grab the cop's gun in his car, even shot off a round, fled and was shot by the cop.

No wounds from any shots fired while Brown was facing away from Wilson... unknown if any were fired.  At least six were fired while Brown was facing Wilson.

If the gun was fired inside the cruiser, there would be forensic evidence of that.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

When Wilson tried to get out of his cruiser, Brown first tried to push the officer back into the car, then punched him in the face and grabbed for his gun before breaking free after the gun went off once, the caller said.

You're right. There would be. So why the robbery narrative? Grabbing for the gun would be the justification and no one would question that.

[sarslip]

im saying which is worse, stealing blunts or

kicking a police vehicle, punching a cop, forcing his gun off, taunting him and then running full speed at said cop?

Really mistified why option B wasnt presented first.

[Himu]

Black people riot over something injustice, those fucking animals; white people riot over soccer and hockey games or because they're bored, those silly kids!

But remember, this is a class war.

[ToxicAdam]

Himuro, you're a good example of someone that can be on the right side of an issue but still be completely wrong about everything they say.

[Himu]

Really? Because this is a pretty common observation.

[ToxicAdam]

A common observation among morons? I don't ever see anyone (of any esteem or intelligence) diminishing a soccer riot.

[Rufus]

I'd like news reports to be more smug with such comparisons, but that's what commentaries and columns are usually for.

[Himu]

A common observation among morons? I don't ever see anyone (of any esteem or intelligence) diminishing a soccer riot.

It's not that they diminish them, but the reactions are very different. The same observation can be made for looters.

[Himu]

Also, the rioters were a small fraction of the overall protest. Yet people (people like jaydub) concentrate on them and not peaceful protesters being gassed for communicating their right to assemble. Why?

[Phoenix Dark]

Johnny Manziel has become the biggest posterboy for this shit btw. If he was black...oh man.

[Phoenix Dark]

What did Manziel have to do with this? Or was that a joke that went over my head?

Differences in public perceptions based on race. Manziel is almost never referred to as a thug, and despite his lazy behavior even his mental abilities aren't questioned. I watched MNF last night during the Browns' preseason game and it was stunning hearing the announcers praise him nonstop (until he imploded).

[Himu]

The insanity defense is the worst. Were I a militant black guy I'd reverse this (Image removed from quote.) tactic by pointing out that whites lead the league in wonderful activities such as serial murder

But we ain't gon do that

Were those serial killers geniuses? 

[CatsCatsCats]

The Class vs Race debate is pretty meaningless when you can exhibit that people are being treated as a lower class due to their skin tone.

[Shadow Mod]

What's fucked up is it's the militarization of these cops in this town and this long drawn out protest that's letting troublemakers come in and start shit. There wouldn't be shit to start if they couldn't hide in the crowd and the police weren't so keen on fucking everyone over equally. Notice the night they completely backed off shit didn't pop off and ever since then it's gotten worse.

Friday night / Saturday morning they backed off and businesses were attacked while officers were not dispatched to that street.  A fire truck did come put out the fire on the roof of Domino's Pizza, though.  That's why Saturday you saw business owners start standing in front of their stores all day with rifles; the cops backed off for PR's sake and the looter / rioting assholes took advantage.  Folks felt that there essentially was no police force to protect them.

I guess they just took a break on Thursday night.  Every night since, these dickheads have started shit.  It certainly does appear more and more that the ones that want to watch the world burn don't live there and won't have to deal with the aftermath when they go back home.

You mean businesses the police could protect instead of just standing in the street intimidating and arresting peaceful protesters? You're not going to convince me this is anything but the police fault for escalating the situation into a warzone from the get go.

[ToxicAdam]

It's not that they diminish them, but the reactions are very different. The same observation can be made for looters.

'Reactions' is a very subjective term. Pretty easily influenced by confirmation bias.

Here's a good example of that:

When Richard Sherman yelled at a camera for a minute, he was labeled as a thug despite being a Stanford graduate. Justin Bieber pulls all sorts of shit, but he's just a mischievous kid who's misunderstood. .

Richard Sherman wasn't universally labeled as 'a thug'. He was by a handful of people and then there was a pushback to that reaction, which is why it even became a story. Who exactly is defending Beiber? He been universally derided and despised for years now.

It's so weird to see people rail against stereotypes and anecdotal thinking with their own set of stereotypes and anecdotal thinking.

[Phoenix Dark]

Sherman wasn't universally labelled a thug?

[ToxicAdam]

 

Not to my vantage point.

[Shadow Mod]

 

[CatsCatsCats]

TA are you really trying to take the stand point that black and white rioters are treated the same way? If not I'm not sure what point you're trying to make

[CatsCatsCats]

Not to my vantage point.

Perhaps you should more closely examine where you're looking from

[Brehvolution]

If the protestors don't want problems from the police they need to wear tricorn hats with teabags hanging from them.

[ToxicAdam]

TA are you really trying to take the stand point that black and white rioters are treated the same way? If not I'm not sure what point you're trying to make

I'm not taking a stand, I'm just pointing out that people are heavily influenced by confirmation bias when discussing these issues. They see what they want to see and then ignore the rest.  That goes for all parties concerned.

What exactly is a 'white rioter' by the way?

[Ganhyun]

What exactly is a 'white rioter' by the way?

A rioter who is white I guess? I consider rioters rioters myself.

Either way, its obvious from videos and such that it is a tense situation there and that police are definitely out of line with their tactics.

I just, I still cannot get over the fact that the press is not screaming bloody murder about being roped off, targeted by police if they go out to actually report, and arrested for reporting.

[CatsCatsCats]

Well, that's a useless contribution. How unconstructive to stand back and say "Hey guys! Bias!"

"What exactly is a white rioter anyway" Oh so you know what a black one is? Are you implying whites don't riot now? outtttta here

[Rufus]

What exactly is a 'white rioter' by the way?

They're, you know, of a certain continental origin.