Mike Brown shooting thread - No indictment! Get out and protest!

[ZephyrFate]

To be fair, Bundy's gang wasn't burning crops or looting other lots. I don't mean to sound crass but this isn't exactly a 1:1 comparison.

Yeah, Bundy and his pals were heavily armed and spoiling for a shootout, so it was a completely different kind of situation.

I think the point that Phoenix is trying to make is that Bundy was just a lot of hot air and no real action, just a bunch of armed dudes who ended up splintering and giving up. This is a protest where people are actually doing things.

The racial element does play into it, but then you also see that once we found out Bundy was a racist that everyone collectively moved on. His "resistance" was people standing around talking while armed. Admittedly, if a bunch of a black people did the same it would definitely be treated differently.

[Himu]

How the fuck was French arrested for unlawful assembly?

[Himu]

Arizona college team

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No tear gas. No guns.

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[benjipwns]

The MSU police once gave minor opposition to the students rioting after a sporting event with some tear gas and basically just pushing them back away from the "city" by standing side by side with riot shields. And they caught holy hell for it.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Nevermind it totally irrelevant.

[ZephyrFate]

Yeah UO had rioting 2 years ago because every successive year of freshmen is dumber than the last, and I don't particularly remember why they did it, and UO PD used tear gas then, too.

[Himu]

http://instagram.com/p/rqxSgUo7Rf

drone

and people still think this is just rioting and looting.

[Himu]

Yes. This also a suburb in St Louis so it's not just any small town. St Louis is one of the most segregated cities in America. It is a majority black city, with a majority white police force. They've been preparing for this. I won't have to say why.

[benjipwns]

@Yamiche
St. Louis County Police Tactical Operations have arrived complete with armed vehicles, rifles, and body armor. vine.co/v/MYDt2tMIH1z
@Yamiche
St. Louis Police are now saying people must leave immediately or be arrested. #Ferguson vine.co/v/MYDUBxaa9nX
@TefPoe
The armored vehicles have arrived as we ask for Antonio 's freedom vine.co/v/MYDtxzQbUQ5

[Himu]

https://twitter.com/Cassie_Xtassy/statuses/499784443427450882
Wow just called the ferguson police department n asked information regarding Antonio French release n the operator literally I quote said

https://twitter.com/Cassie_Xtassy/statuses/499784685665271808
"I cant release that information but u black monkeys need to stop calling your ppls have been blowing up our line all night" n she hunged up

https://twitter.com/Kat_LynD/statuses/499790477340991488
WHOAAAAAAAA!!! THIS BITCH JUST TRIED IT!!!!!

https://twitter.com/Kat_LynD/statuses/499790696686321664
Just got off the phone with Ferguson PD.

https://twitter.com/Kat_LynD/statuses/499790869437120512
Bitch JUST told me, "When you've got your law degree, call back, sweetheart." And HUNG UP!!!

https://twitter.com/Kat_LynD/statuses/499791161679429632
THEY ARE LAUGHING AT US!!! SHE WAS GIGGLING HYSTERICALLY WHEN SHE PICKED UP!!!!

Now do you see why I support Anon releasing this information? They arrested journos, shot rubber bullets, and threw tear gas, and are releasing a drone. That's what I meant by all bets are off.

Watch someone quote this with some weird ass logic saying to not make them angrier, when these dudes are clearly going to do what the fuck they want anyways.

[StealthFan]

:banderas:

[Mr. Gundam]

wait, do police in american small towns have fucking drones at their disposal?

Yep. The drone thing is really taking off here. Drone is the new Google glass, but even scarier.

[Mr. Gundam]

jesus christ

i now find myself in the surprising position of realizing i was *underestimating* american militarism all this time

It's not just the police and military with drones. Regular people are flying them all over the fucking place and creeping people out.

And yet again I'm largely insulated from all of it living out in the liberal PNW.

[benjipwns]

jesus christ

i now find myself in the surprising position of realizing i was *underestimating* american militarism all this time

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/welcome-to-the-police-ind_n_3415442.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/lenco-inc-maker-of-armore_n_3429575.html

http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/how_did_americas_police_become_a_military_force_on_the_streets

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/militarized_police_overreach_oh_god_i_thought_they_were_going_to_shoot_me_next%E2%80%9D/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/14/theres_always_a_good_time_to_use_a_taser_tv_encourages_out_of_control_gun_culture/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/30/why_is_a_swat_team_assaulting_me_im_just_dancing_at_a_rave/
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/police-brutality?paging=off
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-a-crazy-sex-drug-inspired-mass-police-raids-across-america-2013-7?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+(Business+Insider)
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/18777-when-the-police-become-a-standing-army-liberty-is-sacrificed-without-security

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[recursivelyenumerable]

w t f

having grown up in the area, this is so ... like, I feel it's just a mixture of very ordinary fear, incompetence and self-righteousness that exposed to some adversity has grown into something incredibly grotesque

it's like in earthbound where the bratty selfish neighbor kid becomes the incarnation of evil

[Shaka Khan]

I woke up this morning and checked this thread for updates, and was horrified by what developed while I was sleeping. I went to my Facebook to see if the horror is reflected and instead walked into a bizarro world of denial.

STL friends, papers, blogs, and others I thought I knew are in a complete state panic, downplaying (or outright denying) the events in one post, while continuing their prayers for the police in another. Some people/pages are even putting more effort into tracking the criminal records of those who were shot/killed, than cover the event itself... As if it could justify the excessive use of force or violations of rights.

People crying for justice for Michael are a minority on my feed.

I'm literally sick to my stomach. Everything is a lie.

[Cerveza mas fina]

More reason not to dabble with social media.

[Himu]

More like more reason to not use Facebook. Social media is how we have gotten practically all of our updates, kosma. Our news is barely reporting it, and that leaves us to use vine, Instagram, and twitter for real world news updates. Saying that this is proof to not dabble in social media given the frequency of tweets and more posted in this thread in the past 24 hours is not only ignorant, but really fucking slap you in the face STUPID.

Shaka, facebook is a sham, and is the fakest site in existence. Almost none of my feed is talking about it. That's where twitter comes in. And when I do post this information on fb, I have people complaining about Bush and looters instead of demanding justice. It's gross and sickening. Glad you realized it.

Also, this exposes the American fable quite nicely. Look at how people you know respond to this story. That will be their true colors. Excellent snip-snip training exercise.

[Himu]

Posted this on facebook. People come back me up.

The lack of posts on ‪#‎ferguson‬ and Mike Brown situation on my facebook desperately exposes how isolated Facebook appears from the real world. We have police operating a drone overhead Fergusan, police arresting journalists for literally no reason who are trying to cover the story, police shooting rubber bullets at people, calling people Black Monkeys when they call the local Ferguson police department.

No one on my facebook is grieving nor cares about Michael, who was shot - four times - in cold blood, with his hands in the air. No EMS was called as his body baked in the sun for four hours. This entire thing is a complete obstruction of justice. It blends racism, police militarization, racial profiling, police brutality, and more into one giant middle finger cocktail of injustice.

Where the fuck are my liberal friends talking about this? What about the libertarians? Oh wait, no one gives a shit. Once again proving the fakeness of Facebook and all of its insane, ignorant horror. You are all talk. If you want to join us at a vigil and moment of silence, there is a moment of silence being held all over the country tonight. Check this listing for your local Moment of Silence and try to be a part of something other than your own lives.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y6bRJfwVL7JoJnxH8BN8O1p1ANXPEl5PjNMoELw54ME/mobilebasic?pli=1&viewopt=127

[Shaka Khan]

Eh. This has nothing to do with Facebook, and everything to do with the people who comprise 75% of my list. They're real life friends, classmates, acquaintances, even people I'm dating/dated. Switching to Twitter solves nothing, they'll still be there.

I was more than aware of the segregation and divide in STL's make up. It's not a big secret. Just seeing everyone's true colors as they take sides is jarring.

[Joe Molotov]

jesus christ

i now find myself in the surprising position of realizing i was *underestimating* american militarism all this time

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/19/welcome-to-the-police-ind_n_3415442.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/12/lenco-inc-maker-of-armore_n_3429575.html

http://www.abajournal.com/magazine/article/how_did_americas_police_become_a_military_force_on_the_streets

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/10/militarized_police_overreach_oh_god_i_thought_they_were_going_to_shoot_me_next%E2%80%9D/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/14/theres_always_a_good_time_to_use_a_taser_tv_encourages_out_of_control_gun_culture/
http://www.salon.com/2013/07/30/why_is_a_swat_team_assaulting_me_im_just_dancing_at_a_rave/
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/police-brutality?paging=off
http://www.businessinsider.com/how-a-crazy-sex-drug-inspired-mass-police-raids-across-america-2013-7?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+businessinsider+(Business+Insider)
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/18777-when-the-police-become-a-standing-army-liberty-is-sacrificed-without-security

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Man they some straight pussies

Id sacrifice everyone one of them fuck niccas for PAC to return.
     

[Cerveza mas fina]

Time for a culling so Shaka.

Man they some straight pussies

Id sacrifice everyone one of them fuck distinguished black fellows for PAC to return.
   

Repost the coli breh

[Shaka Khan]

More like time to move.

[Himu]

More like time to move.

Where would you move

[Shaka Khan]

Seattle.

I'm in the process of applying for grad programs and this is seriously making me reconsider applying for ones here.

[Himu]

Seems like a good place for me. Lgbt friendly.

To be truthful, this entire thing makes me question even more if it's worth staying in America. Like, I still have my short term plan of living in LA, but long term? After last night? I just don't see America in that future. Kudos to those that do, though. On the other hand, I could stay and try to help fight this...I'm conflicted and torn.

[fistfulofmetal]

Seattle.

Just stay away from the malls

[T-Short]

I am not extremely terrified or scared of police, SWAT teams, heavy armor etc. It happens often in Poland during post football matches riots on the streets even in my own city. We are kind of used to it.

But drones? Fuck them for using that. There is something.... inhuman about using drones against rioting people. It feels like AI against biology for me. Straight outta Terminator.

Fuck drones especially Predator ones.

You know that there are different kinds of drones, right? This is most likely like an RC helicopter with a camera on it.

[Shaka Khan]

Seattle.

Just stay away from the malls

 

[thisismyusername]

Seattle.

Just stay away from the malls

Shaka isn't black. Just brown. Instead of being maced, he'd be clubbed to death.

[T-Short]

I am not extremely terrified or scared of police, SWAT teams, heavy armor etc. It happens often in Poland during post football matches riots on the streets even in my own city. We are kind of used to it.

But drones? Fuck them for using that. There is something.... inhuman about using drones against rioting people. It feels like AI against biology for me. Straight outta Terminator.

Fuck drones especially Predator ones.

You know that there are different kinds of drones, right? This is most likely like an RC helicopter with a camera on it.

So technically a... drone? Unarmed Aerial Vehicle?

It's the general idea of UAVs that's repulsive to me. Luckily polish police is too poor to afford even one drone.

The general idea of a remote controlled helicopter is repulsive to you? Fucking estate agents use them here to take pictures of houses.

[T-Short]

Anyhoo, ACLU has a rundown of domestic drone deployment as of June 2014, and deployment SHOULD be subject to FAA authorization according to their revised legislation.

Missouri   Passed House. Legislature adjourned without further action.

[Himu]

TheAnonMessage @TheAnonMessage
AT 10:00 AM CT - PHOTO WILL BE RELEASED. (If no response)

TheAnonMessage @TheAnonMessage
AT 12:00PM CT - Address will be released. (If no response)

TheAnonMessage @TheAnonMessage
At 2:00PM CT - FULL D0X will be released (if no response)

Officers name is Bryan P William

[Great Rumbler]

Not a good look to have that information leaked by a group of hackers instead of coming from an official release by the local police department. But that's perfectly in line with how they've handled everything else so far.

[Himu]

http://www.news.com.au/world/ferguson-journalists-ryan-j-reilly-wesley-lowery-arrested-as-warriorcops-stalk-streets/story-fndir2ev-1227024317404

Etherrrrrr

[huckleberry]

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/08/14/militarization-u-s-police-dragged-light-horrors-ferguson/

[Beezy]

There is something.... inhuman about using drones against rioting people.

They're not rioting.

[Himu]

Someone posted this on my facebook status.

This is more comparable to the LA riots, IMO, not the Civil Rights movement. Here is an AMA from a Korean shop owner's perspective. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/i2no5/ama_i_was_a_korean_shop_owner_during_the_la_riots/

Is there video of the altercation between the man and the cop? People are notorious nowadays for pulling out their cell phones when a citizen faces law enforcement. I don't believe for a single second that video doesn't exist. Until there are answers, I can't throw my judgment out there. I don't care what race you are...people in this country should be smart enough to know not to "tussle" with a cop and not expect to get shot. It's sad, pathetic, and totally wrong, but it's just history repeating itself over and over and over. And over and over and over. When I see a cop, I'm usually not doing an illegal thing and glance at them and keep walking. It's gotten me by so far. Yes, I have been pulled unwillingly into confrontation with cops. Even when they thought I had stolen my vehicle and made me get out of my car with my hands up (barefoot) and were pointing guns at me, I didn't do anything but comply. I WAS PISSED. I could have gotten killed if I had done anything but comply. Yes, cops are usually on a power trip. No, this will NEVER change.

Naomi, it's unfair to call all Americans cowards. People will fight for what they believe in. When it comes to a cop shooting a man, there's always more to the story. Sorry if this isn't the reaction you're seeking, but I put in words what some people are feeling at this point and may help in answering your original question. Yes, it sucks that they're squashing freedom of press, but it's a tense situation and they're just having a tumble with control. It's no excuse, but it happens with every major event in this country. This isn't new. Remember the pepper-sprayed university students that were sitting peacefully on the ground during Occupy?

[Himu]

Another commenter:

When this happens to the white anarchists in Seattle every year people just laugh. Seattle PD tear gasses the shit out of those guys after they break some shop windows.

What I'd like is video of the actual shooting so that we know the real facts of what occurred.

[CatsCatsCats]

Police are always on power trips, so you should just accept that. Great argument.

[Joe Molotov]

Keep your head down so they don't have to drop a body.

[Himu]

[Himu]

Photo of shooter:

[AdmiralViscen]

How many actual verified incidents of looting are there? 1? 2?

[Himu]

St. Louis County PD:

@TheAnonMessage Bryan Willman is not even an officer with Ferguson or St. Louis County PD. Do not release more info on this random citizen.

[Shaka Khan]

The much ballyhood one was of the QT. There may have been another but that's about it. All from 2 (3?) nights ago and obviously nowhere near justifies this excessive force or means of crowd control.

[AdmiralViscen]

The much ballyhood one was of the QT. There may have been another but that's about it. All from 2 (3?) nights ago and obviously nowhere near justifies this excessive force or means of crowd control.

Yea, I know of 1, and it sounds like it was targeted at the location of the fake police justification and not random at all. So I don't know why "rioting, burning and looting" is still being thrown around at this point. Oh, dog whistling

[Himu]

[Van Cruncheon]

Photo of shooter:

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the mythical ARCH-CAC

[Tasty]

Posted this on facebook. People come back me up.

The lack of posts on ‪#‎ferguson‬ and Mike Brown situation on my facebook desperately exposes how isolated Facebook appears from the real world. We have police operating a drone overhead Fergusan, police arresting journalists for literally no reason who are trying to cover the story, police shooting rubber bullets at people, calling people Black Monkeys when they call the local Ferguson police department.

No one on my facebook is grieving nor cares about Michael, who was shot - four times - in cold blood, with his hands in the air. No EMS was called as his body baked in the sun for four hours. This entire thing is a complete obstruction of justice. It blends racism, police militarization, racial profiling, police brutality, and more into one giant middle finger cocktail of injustice.

Where the fuck are my liberal friends talking about this? What about the libertarians? Oh wait, no one gives a shit. Once again proving the fakeness of Facebook and all of its insane, ignorant horror. You are all talk. If you want to join us at a vigil and moment of silence, there is a moment of silence being held all over the country tonight. Check this listing for your local Moment of Silence and try to be a part of something other than your own lives.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y6bRJfwVL7JoJnxH8BN8O1p1ANXPEl5PjNMoELw54ME/mobilebasic?pli=1&viewopt=127

I'll be at the Boston one tonight. Never been to something like this so I'll just observe and be there for solidarity.

[AdmiralViscen]

I wasn't talking only about you. Plenty of people, both IRL and in media and politics, are using "rioting burning and looting" in present tense when they are describing a singular event from days ago. They are using it to describe the entirety of the community response to a murder as a way to ignore/justify the broad and violent police response that is ACTUALLY happening in the present tense.

You saved your most fiery language for the perpetrators of the singular looting event and then said it necessitated police escalation. You at least used past tense for the action so you are slightly better than the average person I was describing.

[Shaka Khan]

http://ryanthomasneace.com/2014/08/11/wake-up-why-the-marginalized-riot/

[Phoenix Dark]

for fair and balanced purposes: Cruz said something

"Reporters should never be detained -- a free press is too important -- simply for doing their jobs," he said in a statement on Facebook.

Cruz also called for an end of violence in Ferguson.

"Together, we should all mourn the loss of life in Ferguson, Missouri and work to keep our communities safe and free. Police officers risk their lives every day to keep us safe, and any time a young man loses his life in a confrontation with law enforcement, it is tragic," he said.

"Civil liberties must be protected, but violence is not the answer. Once the unrest is brought to an end, we should examine carefully what happened to ensure that justice is served," Cruz concluded.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cruz-defends-arrested-reporters

[Shaka Khan]

"Violence is not the answer."

Indeed, it's not.

[Great Rumbler]

Owner Steve King told the St. Louis Business Journal that his store, Metro Shooting, had seen a 50 percent increase, which he attributed to the violence taking place in Ferguson, a St. Louis suburb.

"We've sold a variety of handguns, shotguns and AR-15s (a semi-automatic rifle)," King said. "All of the sales are having to do with home defense. … Lots of people are afraid."

Al Rothweiler, owner of Mid America Arms, experienced the same influx of customers flocking to his store.

“We were closed Sunday and Monday, but today, sales have been brisk, and the store is full of people,” Rothweiler told the Business Journal. “Everyone who bought today mentioned something about Ferguson.”

A few hundred black people start protesting and suddenly whitey thinks it's helter skelter up in here.

[Himu]

I wonder how anti-riot people view Stonewall? Berkeley?

[Phoenix Dark]

I rarely give a shit what people think enough to engage on Facebook, at work, etc. Exceptions that rustle my jimmies...people who justified Trayvon's killing, people who defend this murder, etc.

I don't agree with law and order absolutists but I understand their argument, and tend to just note the hypocrisy since the same folks tend to support Bundy types, complain about government overreach, etc.

[Kara]

Someone posted this on my facebook status.

Yes, it sucks that they're squashing freedom of press, but it's a tense situation and they're just having a tumble with control.

 

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[Great Rumbler]

"This idea of no racial profiling," King said, "I've seen the video. It looks to me like you don't need to bother with that particular factor because they all appear to be of a single, you know, of a single origin, I should say, a continental origin might be the way to phrase that."

Rep. Steve King, everybody. Rep. Steve King.

[TakingBackSunday]

single origin

well, time to off myself