Scotland Referendum - Alba gu brąth!

[Squiddy]

[Rufus]

Yeah. We already got a bunch of handwringing and crocodile tears from Cameron out of it. Watch Scotland become a scandinavian style socialist utopia within a couple decades.

[T-Short]

Alastair Darlings Lips: Better Together

[Cerveza mas fina]

Best case scenario:

-Scotland leaves UK
-UK (England really, all thats left) leaves EU
-Banks leave the city and go to Dublin/Glasgow/Edinburgh

 

[headwalk]

you cunts wanna start something?

[Cerveza mas fina]

Why would you ever want to be part of a kingdom that conquered you?

You should know better Esch.

There is no point for them to be IN the UK longterm now that we have the EU.

They got oil, they speak English. They should be fine.

[Cerveza mas fina]

[Joe Molotov]

Cameron saying that assassination would be a welcome release, lmao

[Cerveza mas fina]

Sounds like you've been listening to the BBC Esch.

Petro euro's not good
EU falling apart
Only Elizabeths teet can save Scotland

[headwalk]

Why would you ever want to be part of a kingdom that conquered you?

conquer? britain was a voluntary bail out for scotland after they shit the bed and went bankrupt trying their own colonial pants on.

as for kingdom - they still want to keep the queen. and the pound.

[Cerveza mas fina]

[headwalk]

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yeah, i agree. the sort of people in england who are all for leaving the EU are the same sort of people in scotland who want to leave the UK. the difference being UKIP voters are seen as the deluded little englanders they are while the scots are seen as a proud and noble warrior poet race.

save nationalism for football matches.

[Kara]

National self-determination.

[T-Short]

Scots self-aggrandizing you engaged in plenty of exploitation yourself, pls


If this does pass, can't wait to see all the catalonians and basques speak up again

yeah, or those fucking Kurds

[T-Short]

 

[Kara]

ETA's most recent ceasefire (keep your word brehs) isn't even 5 years old.

e: Though this one I think will hold since abertzale parties aren't being banned quite so liberally by the Spanish government as they were before.

[Cerveza mas fina]

When all is said and done, the isles are still my fav part of the world <3

[jakefromstatefarm]

If this does pass, can't wait to see all the basques speak up again

...and no one understand them

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except for Kara

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[Kara]

Txapeldun is the Basque word for champion but it really means "one who has a beret" and in Basque they call the UEFA Champions League the Txapeldunen Liga.

[Dickie Dee]

Nope, I don't have faith in petroeconomies for the long term future. Scotland has some other strong sectors but...

The EU will fall apart. It was a stupid idea from the beginning.

As for the last bit, I have no comment on English or Scottish invective. I simply think it's best for the UK to remain united, all parties included. Nationalism is nice and all but it'll continue to matter less and less with an increasingly globalized culture, imho.

I'm mostly anti-succession only because I'm generally anti-Nationalism, but one of the issues the Yes side raises is that Scotland isn't using it's petro-resources effectively. They don't have a sovereign fund like Norway, nor are focusing on reinvesting their petro money in alternative resources and industries.

[sarslip]

#teamno

dem oil reserves are low brehs,

[Cerveza mas fina]

#teamno

dem oil reserves are low brehs,

British controlled or friendly media

[Phoenix Dark]

As an American I automatically support any movement for freedom. Especially from a trash country with a monarchy

[Rufus]

But they want to remain subjects of her majesty.

[Cerveza mas fina]

The No camp is trying to scare folks, their lowest estimate is 15 billion barrels.

A barrel is around a 100 bucks.

There are less then 5 million people in Scotland.

[Squiddy]

[sarslip]

A barrel is around a 100 bucks.

scotlands not getting 15 billion times 100.

the oil company gets 100 per barrel.  minus overhead of course.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Smh

[Steve Contra]

Isn't this some stupid half hearted independence where the Bank of England still gets to spank them like the ECB does to the southern states?  Sounds great 

[I'm a Puppy!]

Yeah, Go Scotland Referendum - Abu Ghraib

[CatsCatsCats]

Having very little knowledge about it, I hope they vote Yes because Russel Brand said so.

[Kara]

that's the most bizarre part of this whole thing

The Irish Free State had the UK's monarch as its head of state.

Given the complications of divorce, it doesn't seem imprudent to maintain the same head of state until you can fully republicanize.

[sarslip]

http://www.vox.com/2014/9/18/6349847/effect-of-independence-scotch-whisky-whiskey-happen

[Dickie Dee]

that's the most bizarre part of this whole thing

The Irish Free State had the UK's monarch as its head of state.

Given the complications of divorce, it doesn't seem imprudent to maintain the same head of state until you can fully republicanize.

They're probably just content with the parliamentary system as it stands with PM as head of gov't and Monarch as head of state - saves the fuss of trying to figure out what a Presidential role would be and what it would even look like. I think Canadians and Australians still keep it like that more out of complacency than any sort of deep devotion to the crown.

[Kara]

Not to demean Canada and Oz, but they are recent creations (I think both the Canada and Australia acts were signed in the 80s) and without the distinct institutions of Scotland that predate and were maintained subsequent to union.

Is there any reason why there were no exit polls on this thing?

[naff]

Sounds like you've been listening to the BBC Esch.

Petro euro's not good
EU falling apart
Only Elizabeths teet can save Scotland

i kinda agree with esch, but i also say let the cross dressing caber tossers join the carrot top coal crackers n go solo. see how they fare

[Phoenix Dark]

But they want to remain subjects of her majesty.

what?

Isn't this some stupid half hearted independence where the Bank of England still gets to spank them like the ECB does to the southern states?  Sounds great 

WHAT?

[Kara]

The RBS of owned by the UK atm, that's another bit of a complication.

Sounds like No won, imo. Only 54% in Glasgow voted yes (allegedly).

No Konex.

[Steve Contra]

But they want to remain subjects of her majesty.

what?

Isn't this some stupid half hearted independence where the Bank of England still gets to spank them like the ECB does to the southern states?  Sounds great 

WHAT?

Definitely the biggest criticism of the Yes campaign was the fact that they are really excited about the prospect of independence, but less so about the nuts and bolts, which are monstrously complex (currency, borders, eu status, trade treaties).  I fully expect the next time this rolls around (it looks to be no right now) they will choose a better mix of fiery nationalists and sober technocrats and be on their way.

[Boogie]

Not to demean Canada and Oz, but they are recent creations (I think both the Canada and Australia acts were signed in the 80s)

Well, yes and no.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_North_America_Acts

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_Act,_1982


Even the 1982 Act didn't end our Constitutional hand-wringing.  See:  Meech Lake  Accords, Charlottetown Accords, any time any federal leader talks about Senate Reform, every Quebec election, etc.  etc.   etc.....

[Kara]

CANADA PLS MOVE OUT OF MOM AND DAD'S HOUSE IT'S EMBARRASSING

[benjipwns]

I heard that the Free Trade Agreement signed by Ronald Reagan and Brian Mulroney has a secret clause providing for annexation and de facto making Canada the 51st state.

Source: Ed Broadbent and John Turner

[benjipwns]

[Dickie Dee]

I heard that the Free Trade Agreement signed by Ronald Reagan and Brian Mulroney has a secret clause providing for annexation and de facto making Canada the 51st state.

Source: Ed Broadbent and John Turner

Benji with the Canadian-content deep cut

[Madrun Badrun]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk/

counts coming in


I'm totally against this because 'Great Britain' might be the best national name and I am an imperialist. 

[Madrun Badrun]

thats close right now.

[benjipwns]

http://www.bbc.com/news/events/scotland-decides/results

I like these kinds of charts, clicking on it and watching it reorder everything smoothly with animations. Part of my brain knows it's an inefficient data display method and the rest of it is going "oooooooooooooo click more random things ooooooooooo"

I think it was FOX's (or CNN's) that I broke in 2012 because I overloaded the allotted cache clicking on all the states and counties randomly and had to refresh the page.

[I'm a Puppy!]

That's some pretty slick visualization. And I'd know about visualization.

[Madrun Badrun]

Its a nay

[I'm a Puppy!]

The dream is over.

[headwalk]

yeah, thought as much.

[Atramental]

[Kara]

So basically the SNP is the Parti Quebecois.

I'm sure Labour is all tonight.

[Joe Molotov]

They took their freedom.  :'(

[Cerveza mas fina]

Oh well!

Is there any reason why there were no exit polls on this thing?

I think thats illegal

I've been at that spot

[toku]

[sarslip]

[Squiddy]

RIP Freedom.

1776-2014