GAMERGATE: Both Sides Have The Same Melt Value

[Joe Molotov]

A large man in his 40s with a beard and a ponytail mingled self-consciously with the 8channers, some of whom were less than half his age. He’d blended in well enough in the darkness of the strip club, but now stood out in the tiny apartment like a chaperone at a school dance. His name was Mo, and he was a programmer from New York. Mo was drawn to Gamergate and 8chan by a nostalgia for the time he spent trolling the first message boards during the early days of the internet

“Gamergate is the most fascinating flame war I’ve ever seen,” he said. With a sort of fatherly pride he predicted that Gamergate and 8chan would endure, no matter how vociferous the critics were.

Prole, no!  :'(

[Positive Touch]

BEBPO WHY

[Human Snorenado]

BEBPO WHY

Ghosts, man. Ghosts.

 

[tiesto]

First paragraph is...

Friday night at the Show Palace Gentlemen’s Club in Long Island City, Queens, a high school senior named Dieter wearing a striped blue button-down tucked into creased khakis slumped in a plush red chair, underwhelmed by his first-ever strip club experience. “I’m not as aroused as I expected. I pretty much had a woman shove a vagina in my face and it did nothing,” he said. “I guess all the porn got to me.”

Based on my experience with Queens strip clubs, I'm not too surprised he couldn't get it up. Gals there are as busted as some of the chicks I post in the NSFW thread on here

[tiesto]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/16/of-gamers-gates-and-disco-demolition-the-roots-of-reactionary-rage.html


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[Damian79]

Fun facts, violence and rape cases have decreased since the introduction of video games.

[Rufus]

Who said games cause rape?

Anyway, here's a strong article:
http://www.popehat.com/2014/10/26/ten-short-rants-about-gamergate/

[Damian79]

And why was this posted, Damien? Do you actually think Gamergate is about videogames?

IIRC Gamergate has 2 sides.  The games industry and its treatments of women.  The other side is what Anita Sarkeesian talks about which is all a scam, but too many people are influenced by it.

[FoneBone]

hope you're hongry

the buffet is now open

Gamergate Supporters Partied at a Strip Club This Weekend[/img]

this is amazing

“I’m not much of a gamer, but it’s really amazing how they’ve used the platform to really go after these fuckers,” said Brennan as he sat in his wheelchair in a parking lot before the party, between trips to raid a liquor stash in the trunk of a nearby vintage Mercedes. “Like, I encourage it. They try to make me take down the board, but I’m not going to do it.”

...Inside the club, the 8channers sat around tables eating cake under elaborate rotating chandeliers. They traded the kind of rationalist locker room banter familiar to anyone who has spent much time browsing geek message boards, the dankest murmurations of the male id dressed up as pure logic. Dieter and Raj were deep in conversation about the nature of sexual attraction. Dieter believed it was an uncontrollable force of nature. He posited that it was only natural for a man to find women of one race more attractive than another. “It’s not racist,” he said. “I think evolutionary psychology plays into what you find attractive. It’s not up to you; it’s up to your dick. Your dick choses.”

...An enormous bald man named Hans, an 8channer who had flown from Texas for the party, pointed out three women in attendance, two bona-fide female 8channers, and one girlfriend, a model and actress with a neat Suicide Girl look who was the only partygoer dressed more for the club than Comic Con. “Naturally, accusations of misogyny are thrown around, but as evidenced by the presence of women, of which there are a few, it is a diverse group.” Hans paused, then winked. “By the way, table dances are $10 and lap dances are $75, if you’re interested. May I recommend Ms. Rain?”

[Damian79]

Who said games cause rape?

Anyway, here's a strong article:
http://www.popehat.com/2014/10/26/ten-short-rants-about-gamergate/

I am trying to make sense of his position on Anita Sarkeesian, is he for her, against her or neutral?  I find it hard to believe that anyone who knows what she is doing would support her or even be neutral about it.

[Rufus]

Who is "he"? edit: Oh, the article I linked. Well, he's exactly what he says.

[Himu]

And why was this posted, Damien? Do you actually think Gamergate is about videogames?

It is and it isn't.

People should really read the Disco comparison article i posted a page back, the parallels are uncanny.

tiesto

I read it and it's glorious. Chu may be one of my favorite article writers these days. He's pretty much always on point. He's a personal hero, definitely.

[Damian79]

I'll have to remember to kick Anita Sarkeesian a few dollars the next time she puts up a crowdfund/kickstarter of any kind. Just to make these fuckboys mad

still haven't watched any of her videos

You know she purposes misled people about the hitman game and even made the video of it (with her controlling it) showing violence versus women when virtually no one did what she did right?  That is downright despicable.  But I guess I should learn to respect the scam. 

[I'm a Puppy!]

For or Against?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I'll have to remember to kick Anita Sarkeesian a few dollars the next time she puts up a crowdfund/kickstarter of any kind. Just to make these fuckboys mad

still haven't watched any of her videos

You know she purposes misled people about the hitman game and even made the video of it (with her controlling it) showing violence versus women when virtually no one did what she did right?  That is downright despicable.  But I guess I should learn to respect the scam. 

don't worry 46,000 people have pointed out the mistake to her and sentenced her to death for the error

[Damian79]

Actually they cant on youtube because she disables comments and likes.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Actually they cant on youtube because she disables comments and likes.

wow sounds like she's restricting the free flow of information, how censorious

don't worry they found her on Twitter

[Human Snorenado]

Actually they cant on youtube because she disables comments and likes.

I wonder why, "Anita Sarkeesian death threat" only has 138,000 hits on google

[Howard Alan Treesong]

they also made a 2 hour 45 minute rebuttal video to her initial 22 minute video explaining why she's wrong

[Rufus]

I'll have to remember to kick Anita Sarkeesian a few dollars the next time she puts up a crowdfund/kickstarter of any kind. Just to make these fuckboys mad

still haven't watched any of her videos

You know she purposes misled people about the hitman game and even made the video of it (with her controlling it) showing violence versus women when virtually no one did what she did right?  That is downright despicable.  But I guess I should learn to respect the scam. 

You should read the third section of the article I linked.

[Himu]

Anita's continual march despite all this makes her a modern hero.

[Great Rumbler]

Fun facts, violence and rape cases have decreased since the introduction of video games.

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It's also gone down since the elimination of lead from gasoline.

[Damian79]

Actually they cant on youtube because she disables comments and likes.

I wonder why, "Anita Sarkeesian death threat" only has 138,000 hits on google

Because it is fake.



As i said i have to learn to appreciate the scam.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

let me try another argument

fuck off

[Damian79]

u mad?

[Great Rumbler]

Actually they cant on youtube because she disables comments and likes.

I wonder why, "Anita Sarkeesian death threat" only has 138,000 hits on google

Because it is fake.

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As i said i have to learn to appreciate the scam.

 

[Himu]

Right-wing Christian moral guardians aren’t cool, but they used to be. It used to be their values were unquestioned truth in our society. They used to run things. And then at some point—maybe after the Scopes trial, maybe after the repeal of Prohibition, maybe after Engel v. Vitale banned school prayer—they realized they were losing.

No one goes down without a fight. They didn’t lose gracefully. They kicked and fought and spat and succeeded in repeatedly filling their opponents with fear.

But it’s 2014, and marriage equality is rapidly becoming the law of the land, The God Delusion is a bestseller, and every college has a Wiccan club. They’ve lost—not all the way yet, there’s still political muscle they can flex come election year—but when it comes to the nation’s hearts and minds, they know they’ve lost.

And what about those rock music fans who were fundamentally cooler, more in tune with the zeitgeist, more legitimate voices in the world of music culture than those “squares” at the church bonfires?

In 2013, the  No. 1 and  No. 2 charting songs were both disco-inspired—Robin Thicke’s “Blurred Lines” and Daft Punk’s “Get Lucky.” “Get Lucky,” which is in fact quite possibly the most disco song ever written, won Record of the Year at the 2014 Grammys. That was the Grammy Awards ceremony whose centerpiece was Macklemore, a “socially conscious hip-hop” artist, singing “Same Love” while Queen Latifah presided over a wedding of gay couples. Every single fact in that previous sentence would, if you’d told it to one of the angry rock purists of 1979, given him a stroke.

Arthur goddamn

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I'm surprised you could read that, I mean, it wasn't a GIF

[Positive Touch]

her videos are like the most innocuous things ever. it's like:

"video games portray a lot of graphic violence against women" *shows clips from prominent video games displaying graphic violence against women*

or

"video games often have stereotypical portrayals of women" *shows clips of damsels in distress and giant titties*

then a brief bit about why she thinks these are bad. AND THAT'S IT. she even speaks in monotone and avoids inflammatory language. it's hilarious how mad it makes these losers. well, it would be hilarious but for all the death and rape threats.

[Positive Touch]

u mad?

no bitch

U mad

[Himu]

Apply this paragraph to current topic with damian

Just look at the rhetoric used by angry 1970s rock fans to bash disco. It goes beyond just finding the music unpleasant, it invokes the rhetoric of legitimacy. Disco artists aren’t “real” musicians. They don’t play their instruments live, like rock guitar gods; it’s too “produced,” it’s too “studio,” it’s fake.

[Human Snorenado]

I dunno guys, maybe Demian is right. After all, people who ACTUALLY WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEO GAMES JOURNALISM strike me as the sort who would be reasonable, not at all unhinged, socially inept fuckwits that would threaten someone's life.

[Kara]

For or Against?

torakkusu

[Damian79]

Damian79, stop being such a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. Jesus christ do I hate conspiracy theorists.

Let's say she changed up that one tweet, just to humor your clown ass. What about the terrorist threat at the college she was going to speak in? What about you and others going around calling her a scam and fraud cause she pointed out shit you can find in TV tropes in a video? What about all the other nasty e-mails and tweets she's been getting?

All fake? Do you really think women are just going to go around creating drama for no reason? The fuck is wrong with you? Don't be a cunt, if you just want to play videogames then do just that and stop being a pansy neckbeard.

You dont think she is making money from youtube out of all this?  Her first tropes vid has over 2 million hits.  Assuming no ads that is roughly 3k she earned from the first tropes video on top of the 150k she got from kickstarter.

[Damian79]

I dunno guys, maybe Demian is right. After all, people who ACTUALLY WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEO GAMES JOURNALISM strike me as the sort who would be reasonable, not at all unhinged, socially inept fuckwits that would threaten someone's life.

There are death threats and doxxing from both sides.

[Damian79]

What's wrong with her making money?

Nothing if manufacturing controversy is ok.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Stupidity on parade. Man, I hate this thread.
Stupidity on parade. Man, I love this thread.

[benjipwns]

Nothing if manufacturing controversy is ok.

It's a multi-billion dollar industry.

[Himu]

Why is talking about how games are limited as a medium and exclusive towards a type of person - mostly white guys - a problem exactly? How is that manufactured controversy exactly?

[Damian79]

Nothing if manufacturing controversy is ok.

It's a multi-billion dollar industry.

Exactly it is a pet peeve of mine.  I should really get over it.

[Damian79]

Why is talking about how games are limited as a medium and exclusive towards a type of person - mostly white guys - a problem exactly? How is that manufactured controversy exactly?

That is not.  Have you watched her videos?

[Himu]

Even if she manufactures controversy, is the reaction to her controversy really warranted? Seems most people attack her and her gender rather than her arguments. Not a good look and makes Ms Controversy look good.

[Himu]

'manufacturing controversy' = 'looks at something in a way that makes me upset about my virginity'

Damian has kids.

[I'm a Puppy!]

I've watched her videos.
Think they're basic women's studies level apologist crap. I think a lot of feminists could do way better.
Don't need to manufacture controversy about how I disagree with her.
Don't agree with her shtick. She's more than welcome to believe it.
Why? BECAUSE IT FUCKING DOESN'T MATTER!
Boat's big enough for everyone to ride.

[Damian79]

I dont have kids.  I could have had a relationship and kids but i didnt want my kids getting a mental illness like mine so i forgone relationships altogether.


As for the reaction over it.  Even Kripparion gets death threats.  And he is like the nicest guy on youtube.  It is just schadenfreude in action.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Hey hey! Don't forget the death threats all these feminists are making against gamegaters!!...or so I've been told.....or so I want to believe...

[Human Snorenado]

I dunno guys, maybe Demian is right. After all, people who ACTUALLY WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEO GAMES JOURNALISM strike me as the sort who would be reasonable, not at all unhinged, socially inept fuckwits that would threaten someone's life.

There are death threats and doxxing from both sides.

Noooooope

[Kara]

I dont have kids.  I could have had a relationship and kids but i didnt want my kids getting a mental illness like mine so i forgone relationships altogether.

You know the two aren't inseparable, right? There are plenty of people who either don't want kids or can't have them.

This place only has room for one person to quit on life and I ain't giving that shit up.

[Phoenix Dark]

I dont have kids.  I could have had a relationship and kids but i didnt want my kids getting a mental illness like mine so i forgone relationships altogether.

[Damian79]

I dunno guys, maybe Demian is right. After all, people who ACTUALLY WOULD GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ETHICS IN VIDEO GAMES JOURNALISM strike me as the sort who would be reasonable, not at all unhinged, socially inept fuckwits that would threaten someone's life.

There are death threats and doxxing from both sides.

Noooooope

What about Total Biscuit?

[Damian79]

I dont have kids.  I could have had a relationship and kids but i didnt want my kids getting a mental illness like mine so i forgone relationships altogether.

You know the two aren't inseparable, right? There are plenty of people who either don't want kids or can't have them.

This place only has room for one person to quit on life and I ain't giving that shit up.

I want kids though.  If i get in a relationship, there is always the possibility that it will end up having kids with a mental illness like mine.  I could never forgive myself if that happens.  And yes abortion is out of the question.

[Damian79]

Who is Total Biscuit and why should we care?

A youtuber that is on the GG side.  Hes gotten death threats all the time.

[Himu]

But you talked about your kids before Damian, what the hell

[Human Snorenado]

TB was getting death threats and shit before he came out as a GG shill, that's par for the course if you're an internet personality, esp one having anything to do with games. It's almost like video game enthusiasts are inherently toxic, stupid individuals with a tenuous grasp on reality or something!

Seriously, for a minute here, just stop and think:

if you care enough about ETHICS IN VIDEO GAME JOURNALISM to, you know, actually do anything other than go "meh" you're probably a fucking idiot

[Damian79]

But you talked about your kids before Damian, what the hell

Wait what?  If i was talking about kids i would have mentioned neices and nephews.  I never said I had kids.  I would feel sorry for the kids.

[Rufus]

It's almost like video game enthusiasts are inherently toxic, stupid individuals with a tenuous grasp on reality or something!

The entire geek spectrum is like that (dunno about ranking though). Conniptions at the drop of a hat.

[Damian79]

TB was getting death threats and shit before he came out as a GG shill, that's par for the course if you're an internet personality, esp one having anything to do with games. It's almost like video game enthusiasts are inherently toxic, stupid individuals with a tenuous grasp on reality or something!

Seriously, for a minute here, just stop and think:

if you care enough about ETHICS IN VIDEO GAME JOURNALISM to, you know, actually do anything other than go "meh" you're probably a fucking idiot

People are trying to change the games themselves.  Like no more Bayonetta as we know it.  And we will probably be "sleeping with Anders" a lot more in our videogames just to avoid bad consequences in our games.

[Joe Molotov]

There's not going to be another Bayonetta, but not because of SJWs.

[Himu]

What? Games like bayonets are fine. Games are fine. They aren't taking away your games!

[Kara]

I want kids though.  If i get in a relationship, there is always the possibility that it will end up having kids with a mental illness like mine.  I could never forgive myself if that happens.  And yes abortion is out of the question.

But you're not having them now or for the foreseeable future because of your choice?

People might mock you for what you're saying, but Tay-Sachs is part of my background and I can empathize with your thought process because of that. (To say nothing of the hereditary mental illness in my own family tree, suicide flows across like 3 or 4 generations now from one ancestor.)

Not trying to attack you, just saying that your decision might not be as necessary as you think it is.