Author Topic: Game Of Thrones Season 5 thread of windy words (Read 96824 times)

Phoenix Dark · « **on:** January 30, 2015, 08:12:58 PM »

HD: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152715877082734

Same rules as last time. If you must describe book info, mark your spoilers. For instance

ADWD

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mark your TWOW sample chapter spoilers too.

Himu · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2015, 08:31:40 PM »

HOUSE MARTELL GOAT

Dennis · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2015, 09:31:11 PM »

April is too far away.

toku · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2015, 09:40:44 PM »

Everyone in the HBO music licensing department needs to be fired. They continue to use these horrible songs no one has ever heard and don't fit the trailer every single time. They lower the bar every year.

Dennis · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2015, 09:41:12 PM »

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2015, 09:45:55 PM »

Quote from: toku on January 30, 2015, 09:40:44 PM

Everyone in the HBO music licensing department needs to be fired. They continue to use these horrible songs no one has ever heard and don't fit the trailer every single time. They lower the bar every year.

but this one was perfect

toku · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2015, 10:10:43 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2015, 09:45:55 PM

Quote from: toku on January 30, 2015, 09:40:44 PM
Everyone in the HBO music licensing department needs to be fired. They continue to use these horrible songs no one has ever heard and don't fit the trailer every single time. They lower the bar every year.

but this one was perfect

Just barely passable and actually highlights to me now how weak GoT is visually most of the time.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2015, 10:14:38 PM »

It has improved dramatically but I agree. S1 was pretty ugly from a directing and cinematography perspective. I still think Alan Taylor brought the show to life best; he directed the last two episodes of S1, which are still probably the best episodes of the show IMO, and a couple episodes of S2.

El Babua · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2015, 10:19:19 PM »

Shame Taylor left after season 2. I think their lineup of directors was pretty good last season, and it looks like they're back for this one.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #9 on:** January 30, 2015, 10:23:43 PM »

Apparently the unlucky guy who directed the episode with the Cerse/Jaime rape bullshit wasn't brought back. Despite it not being his fault; the producers edited that nonsense together, which explains the director's puzzlement over the criticism: it's not what he shot.

toku · « **Reply #10 on:** January 30, 2015, 10:25:50 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2015, 10:14:38 PM

It has improved dramatically but I agree. S1 was pretty ugly from a directing and cinematography perspective. I still think Alan Taylor brought the show to life best; he directed the last two episodes of S1, which are still probably the best episodes of the show IMO, and a couple episodes of S2.

For along time it felt like they were afraid of more dramatic lighting so some of the earlier episodes look more like a soap. I definitely agree about Alan Taylor though there have been a few quality directors throughout the series. Michelle MacLaren and of course Neil Marshall. David Nutter isn't bad either.

El Babua · « **Reply #11 on:** January 30, 2015, 10:48:10 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2015, 10:23:43 PM

Apparently the unlucky guy who directed the episode with the Cerse/Jaime rape bullshit wasn't brought back. Despite it not being his fault; the producers edited that nonsense together, which explains the director's puzzlement over the criticism: it's not what he shot.

Yep. Weird character decisions have been standard for D&D. Hoping for another Alik/Cogman combo.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #12 on:** January 30, 2015, 11:17:09 PM »

I wish Cogman just wrote all the episodes tbh. I don't complain about book changes, I'm upset about stupid shit. Like adding action beats because you don't trust your audience to enjoy drama/dialogue. That entire thing with "Yara" and her men trying to free Theon and subsequently running away from dogs was the dumbest thing I saw on television last year.

TVC15 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 30, 2015, 11:22:05 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2015, 11:17:09 PM

I wish Cogman just wrote all the episodes tbh. I don't complain about book changes, I'm upset about stupid shit. Like adding action beats because you don't trust your audience to enjoy drama/dialogue. That entire thing with "Yara" and her men trying to free Theon and subsequently running away from dogs was the dumbest thing I saw on television last year.

Dumber than the rape scene?

toku · « **Reply #14 on:** January 30, 2015, 11:35:32 PM »

I "get" why people hated the rape scene but it didn't bother me at all and I guess that's rape culture.

TVC15 · « **Reply #15 on:** January 30, 2015, 11:37:45 PM »

Quote from: toku on January 30, 2015, 11:35:32 PM

I "get" why people hated the rape scene but it didn't bother me at all and I guess that's rape culture.

I'm perfectly fine with rape, but nothing lead into the scene nor was it ever followed up on. It's like it was mercifully forgotten by everyone involved immediately after it happened. If the producers are smart, they'll cut the scene before the blu ray release and excise it from history and pretend like they don't know what fans are talking about when this so-called rape scene is mentioned.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2015, 12:12:18 AM »

Agreed, the problem wasn't the rape it was how it wasn't discussed at all afterward. Just another case of them going for shock at any cost.

You can tell Martin gets pissed when asked about it and has to measure his words lol. The book version is clearly not rape, just ugly incest inches away from a dead body.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2015, 12:44:54 AM »

First of all

AffC

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This book sucked

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Secondly,

ADWD

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This book was worse

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Himu · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2015, 03:17:13 AM »

I'M GOING TO GET YOU ESCH AND TRIUMPH

SOMEHOW

SOME WAY

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huckleberry · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2015, 09:43:51 AM »

PD where do you get most of your info on this stuff?

That rape scene was horrible - glad the director was replaced.

Freyj · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2015, 10:04:41 AM »

They're into ADWD shit?

I used to think the "show surpasses books" thing was just another joke in the long running "GRRM will die before the series is finished" line, but I guess not.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2015, 12:12:13 PM »

Quote from: huckleberry on January 31, 2015, 09:43:51 AM

PD where do you get most of your info on this stuff?

That rape scene was horrible - glad the director was replaced.

A lot of articles were written about it after the scene aired. The director seemed completely caught off guard by the accusations and ended up defending what he shot, which angered some bloggers. But quickly it became clear he didn't shoot a rape scene - it was edited that way, and the producers were involved. The director isn't coming back for S6 which kind of makes me wonder if he took a bullet he didn't deserve.

huckleberry · « **Reply #22 on:** January 31, 2015, 12:51:48 PM »

That's pretty crazy the producers would do that then. I don't generally have a problem with the changes the show makes to the books but the rape scene was pretty fucked up. Has anyone ever given a reason as to why it was changed so severely?

Himu · « **Reply #23 on:** January 31, 2015, 01:01:16 PM »

Jaimie Lannistsr, the man who loves his sister raping her makes no sense. Didn't then, doesn't now.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #24 on:** January 31, 2015, 01:11:26 PM »

Quote from: Queen of Ice on January 31, 2015, 03:17:13 AM

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I'M GOING TO GET YOU ESCH AND TRIUMPH

SOMEHOW

SOME WAY

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Fwiw, I think that a lot of AffC will translate well onto the show. They've already proven they're really good at portraying scheming political shit.

ADWD tho? Can't save that, the source material is utter trash.

El Babua · « **Reply #25 on:** January 31, 2015, 01:36:59 PM »

They're not even trying to considering the best arcs there

ADWD

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(Theon, Davos, Bran)

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Are either cut or heavily modified to the point where it most likely won't be the same.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #26 on:** January 31, 2015, 02:18:52 PM »

Yea I've long believed AFFC will make for strong television, given how good the King's Landing stuff tends to be on the show. There was a leaked synopsis for the first few episodes which showed that

minor AFFC reference (character name)

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Kevan Lannister will be in this season, which will be good. He won't replace Tywin by any means but his presence should make for some nice scenes.

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I really enjoyed ADWD but yea...outside of Theon they've kind of cut much of the best stuff. We'll see. They're making a major change to Jon's arc allegedly:

ADWD

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It's rumored Jon will lead rangers to Hardholme (on foot...) instead of Cottor Pyke doing it.

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That alone will up the action. Showing more northern stuff on screen will be entertaining, as I've never heard anyone say ADWD's northern arcs suck.

But at least the coolest moment is definitely going to be kept

ADWD

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Human Snorenado · « **Reply #27 on:** January 31, 2015, 03:16:07 PM »

I can only hope

ADWD

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the show keeps the CHAPTER AFTER CHAPTER of Kahlessi sitting on her ass being a confused teenage girl leading up to that one moment so show watchers can suffer like G did

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Verdigris Murder · « **Reply #28 on:** January 31, 2015, 05:58:28 PM »

The fact that you recognise TBL for the clostest thing the U.S. has to Withnail is acceptable. But you need to stop eating fast food, and start excersising.

If you have any cats, just kill them and buy a dog. You'll thank me later.

toku · « **Reply #29 on:** February 16, 2015, 04:17:59 PM »

“People are going to die who don’t die in the books, so even the book readers will be unhappy,” he said. “So everybody better be on their toes. [Showrunners] David [Benioff] and D.B. [Weiss] are even bloodier than I am.”

El Babua · « **Reply #30 on:** February 16, 2015, 04:20:42 PM »

He's been saying that for a while now. It's usually been minor characters so far. Judging by the tone though, it might be something major and a huge spoiler for the coming books.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #31 on:** February 16, 2015, 09:44:18 PM »

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #32 on:** February 16, 2015, 09:47:41 PM »

ADWD

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The preview for S4 makes it look they're not gonna fux with the "Aegon" storyline, tho- Varys just tries to point Tyrion towards Dany.

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CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #33 on:** February 16, 2015, 09:59:01 PM »

I almost don't even feel like watching in case of book spoilers, and because maybe it will suck

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #34 on:** February 16, 2015, 10:02:52 PM »

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 16, 2015, 09:47:41 PM

ADWD
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The preview for S4 makes it look they're not gonna fux with the "Aegon" storyline, tho- Varys just tries to point Tyrion towards Dany.
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ADWD

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Agreed, but interestingly the S4 content includes three Blackfyre references; there aren't any in the previous DVD sets. There's a rumor that the show will include fAegon by making him Trystane Martell. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me, and I agree the Varys quote makes it sound like he's being cut or pushed to another season.

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Human Snorenado · « **Reply #35 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:01:53 PM »

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on February 16, 2015, 09:59:01 PM

I almost don't even feel like watching in case of book spoilers, and because maybe it will suck

Show will end up being better than the books. I have high hopes that the boring political maneuvering shit in the books will play much better on tv.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #36 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:06:58 PM »

That was my favorite part of AFFC. Well, outside of Victarion being a boss.

The show is definitely making an improvement by keeping the Queen of Thorns in King's Landing. She should have stayed in the book imo.

bluemax · « **Reply #37 on:** February 16, 2015, 11:12:19 PM »

Quote from: toku on February 16, 2015, 04:17:59 PM

“People are going to die who don’t die in the books, so even the book readers will be unhappy,” he said. “So everybody better be on their toes. [Showrunners] David [Benioff] and D.B. [Weiss] are even bloodier than I am.”

The books are as good as dead anyhow.

I'm a Puppy! · « **Reply #38 on:** February 17, 2015, 11:56:10 AM »

I'm starting to think this whole series so far was just a ploy for GRRM to sell a show make millions and then let someone else figure out the details for him.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #39 on:** February 17, 2015, 01:02:53 PM »

I mean really, he's old and now has money, if I were him I'd be feelin like "eh, fuck it" too

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #40 on:** February 17, 2015, 01:14:37 PM »

He's had money for quite awhile, hence why he didn't sell the rights back when LOTR/Harry Potter were in the theater. I think it's more an issue of him now having a wider spotlight and enjoying receiving props on a higher/mainstream level than just fantasy conventions.

It comes down to time. When he actually sits down and writes for a prolonged period he gets shit done. For instance he hasn't had any major events since late August 2014, and won't have a con until late February. That's about 6 months with few distractions (outside of the minor TWOIAF promo run in New York). When his schedule is riddled with cons and speeches, he doesn't make progress.

I'd imagine he's around 900-1000 MS pages right now; he's said the book will be around 1500 MS pages, like ASOS/ADWD. If he had simply stopped accepting projects after ADWD came out, and lowered his event appearances...the book would probably be nearly done and coming out this year. Instead he wrote and edited a bunch of projects in a gust of optimism. SMH.

bluemax · « **Reply #41 on:** February 18, 2015, 11:36:58 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2015, 01:14:37 PM

He's had money for quite awhile, hence why he didn't sell the rights back when LOTR/Harry Potter were in the theater. I think it's more an issue of him now having a wider spotlight and enjoying receiving props on a higher/mainstream level than just fantasy conventions.

It comes down to time. When he actually sits down and writes for a prolonged period he gets shit done. For instance he hasn't had any major events since late August 2014, and won't have a con until late February. That's about 6 months with few distractions (outside of the minor TWOIAF promo run in New York). When his schedule is riddled with cons and speeches, he doesn't make progress.

I'd imagine he's around 900-1000 MS pages right now; he's said the book will be around 1500 MS pages, like ASOS/ADWD. If he had simply stopped accepting projects after ADWD came out, and lowered his event appearances...the book would probably be nearly done and coming out this year. Instead he wrote and edited a bunch of projects in a gust of optimism. SMH.

He wrote more words about the Jets and Giants than he did about Game of Thrones last year.

Dickie Dee · « **Reply #42 on:** February 19, 2015, 01:25:17 AM »

I had the feeling for a bit that he's just lost interest in the story, or at least where the story needs to progress from this point.

Like he had it plotted out as some high fantasy good v. evil story back when it was just a trilogy. Then he started writing it and got lost in the pseudo-medieval setting that he clearly loves and ended up writing multiple books mostly about that.

And they were great! Clearly he relishes delving into that world.

Now he has to pivot the story to it's endgame, Light v. Dark, promised one, etc. etc. and just can't be bothered.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #43 on:** February 19, 2015, 09:21:17 AM »

Quote from: Mamacint on February 19, 2015, 01:25:17 AM

I had the feeling for a bit that he's just lost interest in the story, or at least where the story needs to progress from this point.

Like he had it plotted out as some high fantasy good v. evil story back when it was just a trilogy. Then he started writing it and got lost in the pseudo-medieval setting that he clearly loves and ended up writing multiple books mostly about that.

And they were great! Clearly he relishes delving into that world.

Now he has to pivot the story to it's endgame, Light v. Dark, promised one, etc. etc. and just can't be bothered.

I don't think his endgame was ever light v dark, at least based on what he has said and set up

ADWD/minor TWOW

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IE what if Jon rejects his role and goes rogue, or Dany truly goes mad, etc. He also says the Others aren't monolithic evil. We'll see.

The troubling thing is that he still hasn't fully gotten to the events that would have originally been the second book of the trilogy, ADWD. He originally planned for Game Of Thrones to end with the Red Wedding, and ADWD to largely be about Dany invading Westeros. The third book (The Winds of Winter) would be about the Others, mainly. I understand the five year gap fucked him up, and later the Meereenese Knot...but he has solved both. Yet TWOW might take nearly as long to come out as ADWD, and Dany still isn't in Westeros. Honestly I don't even see how she can get to Westeros in TWOW unless she leaves everyone behind and flies solo.

Like many fantasy writers he seems obsessed with world building and is unable to stop, and doesn't care what his editor thinks. The series is at a point where he's pretty much out of room for more world building, assuming he wants to finish in two books. He's said we'll see the far north in TWOW, which means we'll get Others world building (not that I'm complaining about that); someone journeying north or Bran getting an exposition dump, perhaps. TWOW has to pretty much be paced like the end of ASOS to get where he needs to get. So...the three battles (Meereen, Winterfell, Storm's End), Aegon crowned, Jon stuff resolved, etc. But the monkey wrench is Martin saying Dany will fuck around with the Dothraki for awhile...sigh. Just burn the khal and go home.

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Dickie Dee · « **Reply #44 on:** February 19, 2015, 06:29:58 PM »

I guess light v. dark was a poor choice of words, but the larger mythological battle is the end game for the books, and I don't quite think he knows how (or wants) to transition from the world he's created so far into that.

toku · « **Reply #45 on:** March 09, 2015, 03:58:09 PM »

New Trailer:
https://twitter.com/iTunesTV/status/574981199099076608

a lot going on in it that I'm sure PD will catch and disect for us later

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #46 on:** March 09, 2015, 04:40:53 PM »

S5 trailer speculation/ADWD spoiler

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Sansa in the Winterfell crypts? Looks like they're replacing the Fake Arya plot with real Sansa. Does that mean Reek will save her?

I know the show isn't the book but man, I can't imagine Littlefinger bringing Sansa within one foot of Ramsay Bolton. I'd imagine he plans some type of revenge but still, that's dangerous as fuck. One screw up and she's pregnant and the game is over

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Dickie Dee · « **Reply #47 on:** March 09, 2015, 05:09:34 PM »

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2015, 04:40:53 PM

S5 trailer speculation/ADWD spoiler

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Sansa in the Winterfell crypts? Looks like they're replacing the Fake Arya plot with real Sansa. Does that mean Reek will save her?

I know the show isn't the book but man, I can't imagine Littlefinger bringing Sansa within one foot of Ramsay Bolton. I'd imagine he plans some type of revenge but still, that's dangerous as fuck. One screw up and she's pregnant and the game is over
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Trailer isn't working for me yet, but from ^^

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Maybe Littlefinger is one of the characters that dies in the show that haven't died in the books? Cleanest way of folding Sansa into fake Arya's storyline

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CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #48 on:** March 09, 2015, 06:38:31 PM »

I was gonna hold out for the books but fuck it man

Steve Contra · « **Reply #49 on:** March 09, 2015, 06:46:20 PM »

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 09, 2015, 06:38:31 PM

I was gonna hold out for the books but fuck it man

It's not like the last one will come out anyway, at least not with Martin writing it.

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #50 on:** March 09, 2015, 06:49:46 PM »

just keep Sanderson away.

Abercrombie pls

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #51 on:** March 09, 2015, 09:05:29 PM »

Nah, hire Rothfuss to finish it

...then he'll die too

El Babua · « **Reply #52 on:** March 09, 2015, 11:02:46 PM »

Let Benioff finish. He's a pretty good novelist.

ADWD

Also lol if they make Sansa Jeyne. Undo the best character change you made in the show brehs. And that's not mentioning all the logical leaps needed for her to be sent to Winter fell in the first place.

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Human Snorenado · « **Reply #53 on:** March 23, 2015, 05:00:44 PM »

CRY MOAR BOOK LOVERS

http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2015/03/game-of-thrones-tv-show-will-spoil-books

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #54 on:** March 23, 2015, 05:06:15 PM »

Martin has no one to blame but himself. Still think TWOW be completed or come out before April 2016 but there's a 0% chance the last book comes out in time. In fact the show could end 3-4 years before the last book comes out...

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #55 on:** March 23, 2015, 05:07:51 PM »

Can't wait to troll book lovers with "show ended better than the books" when the last book finally drops

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #56 on:** March 23, 2015, 05:16:21 PM »

spoiler talk (nothing specific but ADWD)

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I'm sure there will be differences. But for instance if Tyrion dies in the show that pretty much confirms he dies in the books. If the show ends with Jon as Night's King, Dany exiling herself from Westeros, Stannis becoming king etc...once again, that would spoil the book ending.

I've never really considered the show to matter canon wise, because it's not. But clearly they're about to spoil the book. Martin released that Mercy chapter last year specifically because the show planned on doing something before him. He's pretty much out of options now - it's not like he's going to release sample chapter that shows who Jon's parents are, before TWOW comes out. He's fucked.

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Sausage · « **Reply #57 on:** March 23, 2015, 08:32:39 PM »

Hopefully GRRM will kick the bucket soon and the new writer will work double time.

Beezy · « **Reply #58 on:** April 11, 2015, 11:01:23 AM »

Is that dude from the coli who did the hilarious episode recaps still gone?

Phoenix Dark · « **Reply #59 on:** April 11, 2015, 12:15:32 PM »

I saw him (Obarth) post a few days ago, I'm assuming he'll be watching tomorrow night.

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