The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[Cerveza mas fina]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1241239

Landlords can't raise rent unless a tenant is willing to pay it.
Don't put all the blame on the landlords when the renters themselves are half the reason for rising prices.

to be fair he is not entirely wrong, some people will pay anything to live "in the city" only to complain about pricing

every country Ive lived has more affordable places if you commute

no one is forcing anyone to spend all their income on a shitty room in the heart of london or nyc

obviously Im coming from a point of view where rent prices are partially regulated

Color me unconvinced by how much the market is driven by what is mostly a captive audience in major cities, trying to access the most basic necessity. Consumers can't really stop living under a roof to sway the invisible hand. I mean most would gladly pay less, the only thing they're getting out of an high rent is a status symbol or most probably reassurances aboug the quality of the neighbourhood.

I must be tired but I read this like three times and I guess you are agreeing with me that stupid people pay too much to live in cool areas then complain?

I dont think living in an area which has street cred is a basic neccesity...and yeah this might be shocking but working at five guys probably wont pay for rent in an area the entire world wants to live :0

This is some kind of weird form of entitlement

[VomKriege]

I guess, but I don't agree with the gaf quote. I don't think tenants have much responsibility in this. The way it was said on gaf sounded a lot like some delusional or dishonest appeal to free market logic.
Sorry for any confusion, being tired I maybe wasn't clear in my wording.

Edit : Obviously i'm not speaking of living downtown, the basic need is shelter and my point is that tenants can't exactly just boycott it. When you're priced out of the market unless accepting some excessive commute despite both partners in a couple working, I think that's an issue.

Edit 02 : We're probably not having it that bad in Europe.
 

[Rufus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1242438

Kicking off in the CS:GO Lotto thread now. Valve stans trying to absolve Lord Gaben of responsibility when Valve are circumventing gambling laws with their loot crate systems while trying to shove it onto the two scumbags operating the "CSGO Lotto" or even defending them instead of doing the reasonable thing and asking what the fuck kind of company is promoting gambling for kids and letting 3rd parties take advantage of it.

Dennis doing the lords work tho'

To be fair:

1) Valve doesn't make these third party sites
2) Third Parties are totally responsible for them
3) Valve's only "contribution" is allowing the API's to see the person that logs in via them's inventory.

Valve doesn't get a cut from these third parties. They only get a cut if the person is buying a key and/or crate from the game(s) they're "gambling" in. The actual items have no monetary value outside of the community. So, it's a bit more nuanced than this.

It is, but Valve should at least do what they were doing when the trade system first went up years ago with TF2.

 1) Actively crack down on tradebots and scare people by claiming your weapons could be permanently lost if found to be used for gambling, (which is even more scary given the fact that there are/have been skins out there ranging in the hundreds-~thousand.)

 2) Restrict API to sites that are doing illicit activity/ remove trading accessed in third-party sites altogether.

 Which, like I said, I think was already in place when trading first came up. Either way, leaving a literal unrestricted gambling circle owned by Youtubers with 10+ million subscribers, most of which are kids, is going to look bad on Valve as "enabling". That and the fact that Valve directly profits from those entering that scene.

 The points you made are definitely valid on Valve, including the fact that some of the skins came from free random drops, however I don't think there is enough nuance that Valve is totally abstained legally or morally.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-07-04-youtube-stars-criticised-after-it-emerges-they-owned-gambling-site-they-promoted

First steps?

[zomgee]

Edit : Obviously i'm not speaking of living downtown, the basic need is shelter and my point is that tenants can't exactly just boycott it. When you're priced out of the market unless accepting some excessive commute despite both partners in a couple working, I think that's an issue.

One person's entitlement is another person's uphill both ways in the snow. It's hard to judge. But pricing a 240 square foot apartment in SF at 2250 a month... something is wrong.

[kick51]

Gonna go ahead and guess zero will come of all this  CSGO controversy. I'd like to be wrong though.  The law will catch up...in like 30 years.

[tiesto]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1241239

Landlords can't raise rent unless a tenant is willing to pay it.
Don't put all the blame on the landlords when the renters themselves are half the reason for rising prices.

to be fair he is not entirely wrong, some people will pay anything to live "in the city" only to complain about pricing

every country Ive lived has more affordable places if you commute

no one is forcing anyone to spend all their income on a shitty room in the heart of london or nyc

obviously Im coming from a point of view where rent prices are partially regulated

Color me unconvinced by how much the market is driven by what is mostly a captive audience in major cities, trying to access the most basic necessity. Consumers can't really stop living under a roof to sway the invisible hand. I mean most would gladly pay less, the only thing they're getting out of an high rent is a status symbol or most probably reassurances aboug the quality of the neighbourhood.

I must be tired but I read this like three times and I guess you are agreeing with me that stupid people pay too much to live in cool areas then complain?

I dont think living in an area which has street cred is a basic neccesity...and yeah this might be shocking but working at five guys probably wont pay for rent in an area the entire world wants to live :0

This is some kind of weird form of entitlement

The problem is that there are places where a middle class salary dooms you to a closet. I know quite a few people making 60-75k a year who lived with their parents until they were 30 (or got hitched) because they couldn't afford a mortgage, or even worse the taxes ($10k on a $400k house). And I don't live in a "cool" area (suburbia 1 hour outside of manhattan). The only reason people stay on LI is because they have their roots/family there (me), or really really really love the beach.

And no, if you're working as a cashier at a fast food joint, you won't be able to afford that 2 bedroom loft on the Upper East side... but you should at least be entitled to live in a safe area with decent housing conditions. Which is really difficult in the NYC metro area. "Get a better job" they say. But the NYC metro needs people to pick up the trash, to sweep the streets, to serve you your coffee.

[thisismyusername]

"Get a better job" they say.

Which is bullshit because anyone with a job should be able to afford an apartment with no crime. There's a huge problem with a lot of "lower income" areas having crime and police doing nothing to help in that regard or any one "above means" helping.

But the NYC metro needs people to pick up the trash, to sweep the streets, to serve you your coffee.

Exactly why the above needs to happen. This whole "us versus them" in terms of classism doesn't help anyone. Even in rentals.

[fizzel]

but based gaben tho

Dude's clever as fuck. Marketed himself into a saint when Microsoft in its prime wasn't evil enough for him.

[Cerveza mas fina]

It seems the real problem is not pricing then, but lower priced area's being unsafe.

[thisismyusername]

It seems the real problem is not pricing then, but lower priced area's being unsafe.

It's both. Lower income families are priced out of decent living areas. So these low-cost areas are built (and/or taken from previous middle-class areas) and they're shoved into those. Gangs form because kids have the feeling they won't ever be able to progress upwards and/or people feel like they're going no where. Crime starts to happen. Sexual Assaults and Robberies happen.

I know this because it's a tale as old as time, all you have to do is go look in those areas and/or work with them to see how these people feel. There was an article recently around here about one of the high-crime areas and the people that live there. They have no car, so they have to take a bus about 5 miles or so. Due to the bus route, they have to take like two or three busses for something that is literally north of them 5-10 miles to go grocery shopping.

You could say they could get a bike or something, but that could possibly be stolen. Plus a bike won't help with a weeks worth of groceries.

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209190613&postcount=27

Also Vita owners are easy to trigger.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Just for arguements sake



I have this one though

[Take My Breh Away]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1242847

The NX thirst has now gotten so desperate they are quoting avowed Gamergater Dennis Dyack after he gives it some positive press

[thisismyusername]

Just for arguements sake

http://urbanvelo.org/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/christiania.jpg

I have this one though

https://trevorcoultart.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/croozer.jpg

...You're being obtuse just for the sake of it. But let me go with you on this:

Do you know how many items a family of 3-4 (which most lower-class families will probably be) need in a weekly basis for 3 meals a day? You start to put cereal boxes, milk, apples/bananas/avacados and stuff into that little cart at the back of your bike and it starts to add up. Hell a months worth of groceries took up a flatbed truck for my family.

Those are good options if you're a 1-2 person family, but if you're needing to feed 3-4 or stock up, those aren't going to work. Double so if the area has a lack of sidewalks/bike lanes and the roads are getting bad. I had to pass by these areas daily to work at the job I started (since moved from that area) and it's readily apparent bikes would be a liability on that road, especially with those trailers/carts.

I mean you're in Europe, so Europe is significantly more bike-friendly and has more open bike-paths for bike riders, but in America those options are very slim/few. Most everyone either drives and/or walks over taking a bike.

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209196267&postcount=2393

Because that person would be posting on GAF daily.

[kick51]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209190613&postcount=27

Also Vita owners are easy to trigger.

twitch continuing to invest in useless shit, except i can't see the angle on this one.


......


OH i see now, vita users more likely to be a group of whales that support female streamers who learn anime and game references by rote to squeeze money out of said whales

spoiler (click to show/hide)

i might actually use this, way better than the phone app in bed

[close]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209196267&postcount=2393

Because that person would be posting on GAF daily.

the more blood gaf smells in the water on this, the less likely something will happen.  even the FTC likes to troll gaf


of course, the story trolled the hell out of me by exposing me to multimillionaire 20 year olds with odd, non-descript titles that amount to either youtuber or guy who helps squeeze money out of youtuber's audience

[Tasty]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1242898

Please be what I think it is, please be what I hope it is, please please PLEASE.

I am trying not to get my hopes up, I am trying to stay calm...

I need to buy some snacks or something to calm down.

Any streams?

[helios]

The way the dude is talking, it sounds like there will be an indictment.

[Cerveza mas fina]

If Hilary gets investigated will this mean that Glen Shinobi will erupt?

[helios]

No indictment

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

We are a debt and service based economy.  If we paid rent at 1980 levels, adjusting for inflation, the economy will instantly collapse.  It's something that will need to be done eventually but nobody wants to touch.  So expect housing to get even more egregious.

[Tasty]

The way the dude is talking, it sounds like there will be an indictment.

No indictment

[Yulwei]

e- oh wait this isn't the comics thread...

[thisismyusername]

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1242898

Please be what I think it is, please be what I hope it is, please please PLEASE.

I am trying not to get my hopes up, I am trying to stay calm...

I need to buy some snacks or something to calm down.

Any streams?

sHeCan'tKeepGettingAwayWithIt.gif

OMG YASSSSSSSSSS

[Phoenix Dark]

celebrate your favored presidential candidate being exposed as a liar and called reckless/having poor judgement brehs 

[Joe Molotov]

celebrate your favored presidential candidate being exposed as a liar and called reckless/having poor judgement brehs 

She's just like me!

[thisismyusername]

celebrate your favored presidential candidate being exposed as a liar and called reckless/having poor judgement brehs 

She's just like me!

You mean your Abuela?

[Mr Gilhaney]

Meus Renaissance got perma banned for this.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209058562&postcount=339

 

[zomgee]

Meus Renaissance got perma banned for this.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209058562&postcount=339

 

That won't last.

[Tasty]

Meus Renaissance got perma banned for this.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209058562&postcount=339

 

[fizzel]

Banana republic.

[Joe Molotov]

Steve Youngblood can't keep getting away with it!

[vas_a_morir]

Meus Renaissance got perma banned for this.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209058562&postcount=339

 

That's worse than my perm. He wasn't even being mean!

[Let's Cyber]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1211307

Goodnight, Forever Alone Nice Guy Sweet Prince

[zomgee]

HUELEN also banned. Where is xour god now

[Steve Youngblood]

celebrate your favored presidential candidate being exposed as a liar and called reckless/having poor judgement brehs 

STFU, PD.

Youngblood is a real POS btw. Kind of hope he gets a bloody lip in East St. Louis one day. Would be fitting.

What did I do this time?

[Phoenix Dark]

Unban me and I'll protect you, Youngblood.

[FStop7]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209193243&postcount=54

lame

[king of the internet]

Imagine how devastated he must be over losing his account.

[Let's Cyber]

It's pretty clear, and has been for awhile, that if you're on a mod's shitlist, you can be banned or even perma-banned for any post that someone translating through babelfish while drunk could argue as being bannable. Once you know you're on the shitlist, you can't make a single post that even a Martian immigrant nursing a hangover and PMS could construe as a TOS violation. It's pretty obvious when you're on the shitlist too. First you get a month-long ban for a fairly innocuous post with a really shitty explanation in the ban message, then a 3 month ban for something innocuous a little while later (they're setting up the "escalating bans" justification with this). Meus probably knew his time was running short. Dude flew too close to the sun.

Show me on the doll where Mr.Youngblood touched you. 

[thisismyusername]

It's pretty clear, and has been for awhile, that if you're on a mod's shitlist, you can be banned or even perma-banned for any post that someone translating through babelfish while drunk could argue as being bannable. Once you know you're on the shitlist, you can't make a single post that even a Martian immigrant nursing a hangover and PMS could construe as a TOS violation. It's pretty obvious when you're on the shitlist too. First you get a month-long ban for a fairly innocuous post with a really shitty explanation in the ban message, then a 3 month ban for something innocuous a little while later (they're setting up the "escalating bans" justification with this). Meus probably knew his time was running short. Dude flew too close to the sun.

Show me on the doll where Mr.Youngblood touched you.

Did he lie, though?

[Let's Cyber]

Did he lie, though?

Do some NeoGAF mods hold petty grudges i.e. a "shitlist"?  I believe so, yes

[kick51]

my alt was told "one more sarcastic post and you're out."   basically marked for death because how the hell is anyone supposed to avoid that
I could literally get banned for anything at that point.

I won't complain that much since it's their site and I was/am a dick for sure.  Just adding that the grudge theory is probably real.  it all started after the last wave of mods was approved and I started getting mysteriously banned with these longer messages that obviously enjoyed the process of banning me for things that everyone does in every thread (sarcasm, joking about other dumb posts.)  like "SO, you've decided to make YET ANOTHER sarcastic post, eh? You think you're funny?  you think this is a game?!  HAVE A LITTLE VACATION, WHERE YOU CAN PLAY ALL THE GAMES YOU WANT THEN"

well, not quite that cheesy, but that's sort of what they were like.  More verbose than the usual quick witty one liner about how horribly you failed.  Too bad I didn't save em. 

[qq more]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209233042&postcount=7


Awfully optimistic for yet another bad Mario RPG

[thisismyusername]

You mean he hasn't killed his mom over South Park yet?

[agrajag]

Heh, you pretty much know it's over when you feel like you've got a target on your back. After my last ban, I didn't even last a week before I got perma'd. You keep wondering, is it this post that's going to do me in, or the next?

[Let's Cyber]

What's funny about Amir0x is he went from long winded (and to be fair, well researched) posts like those concerning institutional racism within the criminal justice system to a hyper defensive Hillary shill who just repeats " DID YOU KNOW THE SUPREME COURT IS AT STAKE THIS ELECTION?!?!?" (yes, we know) and "LOL BERNIE BROS" over and over and over.

Once he realized all the effort wasn't going to get him re-modded I think he just gave up trying

[zomgee]

Heh, you pretty much know it's over when you feel like you've got a target on your back. After my last ban, I didn't even last a week before I got perma'd. You keep wondering, is it this post that's going to do me in, or the next?

Stop caring it's a dumb website you can read without an account

[benjipwns]

[archie4208]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209233042&postcount=7


Awfully optimistic for yet another bad Mario RPG

>Super Paper Mario better than TTYD

I'm triggered.

[benjipwns]

Speaking of poligaf

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=209143141&postcount=12569

Y2kev just had to clean the thread out because the last page was nothing but pictures of gay erotic novel covers.

much political, such insight 

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ItWasMeantToBe19 371
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User Name Posts
adam387 967
ItWasMeantToBe19 371
B-Dubs 331
Kristoffer 324
ampere 277
Teggy 263
Diablos 256

Isn't Kristoffer the guy who's in favor of extrajudicial killings of drug dealers in the Phillipines

[Trent Dole]

Haha diablos still exists. Who can stand years at that place without offing themselves?

[agrajag]

Heh, you pretty much know it's over when you feel like you've got a target on your back. After my last ban, I didn't even last a week before I got perma'd. You keep wondering, is it this post that's going to do me in, or the next?

Stop caring it's a dumb website you can read without an account

Yeah, but I can't shitpost without an acct

[zomgee]

Heh, you pretty much know it's over when you feel like you've got a target on your back. After my last ban, I didn't even last a week before I got perma'd. You keep wondering, is it this post that's going to do me in, or the next?

Stop caring it's a dumb website you can read without an account

Yeah, but I can't shitpost without an acct

Welcome home

[Cerveza mas fina]

My alt got banned a few weeks back, maybe Cold Lager wasn't the best name 

[Cerveza mas fina]

alt account

-Steve

this was the one on my normal one

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I have three alt accounts I never use.  If anyone wants one of them, its $250.

[Dennis]

My alt got banned a few weeks back, maybe Cold Lager wasn't the best name 

 

[agrajag]

I have three alt accounts I never use.  If anyone wants one of them, its $250.

I'll give you a nickel and half a sandwich