The Bore does what NeoGAF doesn't.

[Phoenix Dark]

 

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Only GreatRumbler and JoeMolotov can live.

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[Kara]

Another cops shooting event in Baron Rouge. Prepare for the avalanche of of posts going like  "I visited there once on a family trip in 1995, I better call my mom to tell her I'm okay", "America is so scary I am disgusted", the random technical debate from gun nuts, the over dramatic "crying so hard right now ;_;" posts, a bunch of posting blaming this on the elections and the creepy pseudo "they deserve it" subtext in some posts.

 

u forgot "this fucking year"

[BrokenVerses]

Another cops shooting event in Baron Rouge. Prepare for the avalanche of of posts going like  "I visited there once on a family trip in 1995, I better call my mom to tell her I'm okay", "America is so scary I am disgusted", the random technical debate from gun nuts, the over dramatic "crying so hard right now ;_;" posts, a bunch of posting blaming this on the elections and the creepy pseudo "they deserve it" subtext in some posts.

 

and people advocating deploying the Army into the streets lol.

[bork]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1247775

Lock this scum up and throw away the key.

[Phoenix Dark]

I took pride in having never stolen anything in my life. Until one day I went to Home Depot to get some keys made. I got about four made, paid and left. When I got home I realized I was only charged for three of the keys. I planned on going back but then said ehhh it's late and I'm low on gas....nah.

It was like $1.30 or something.

[bork]

I took pride in having never stolen anything in my life. Until one day I went to Home Depot to get some keys made. I got about four made, paid and left. When I got home I realized I was only charged for three of the keys. I planned on going back but then said ehhh it's late and I'm low on gas....nah.

It was like $1.30 or something.

 

[TakingBackSunday]

I once was only charged for one beer instead of the full 6-pack at a self checkout.  Left and drank all of them

Take that Kroger

[king of the internet]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1247778

Apparently GAF is full of rappers and rap experts. "Vocabulary man, you gotta work on your vocabulary "

This dude is fucking ridiculous 

[agrajag]

Lose sleep over accidentally getting a tiny thing over on a multi-billion-dollar corporation brehs 

[Let's Cyber]

u forgot "this fucking year"

I miss the good old days before 2016 when no bad things happened and no famous people died.

[octopushover]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210311547&postcount=6558

this guy is a fucking idiot and i hope the person he quoted doesn't get banned for saying "fuck you" to him because he deserves all of that and more.

[kick51]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210311547&postcount=6558

this guy is a fucking idiot and i hope the person he quoted doesn't get banned for saying "fuck you" to him because he deserves all of that and more.

He said "fuck you" the opposition wins by technicality, cant believe he chose to die on this hill in 2016 on the wrong side of history, obv a gamergater

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210313875&postcount=493

[Jansen]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210316599&postcount=135

[Kara]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210313875&postcount=493

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Shocked that a fan of Warhammer 40K has questionable opinions about race and policing.

[qq more]

I took pride in having never stolen anything in my life. Until one day I went to Home Depot to get some keys made. I got about four made, paid and left. When I got home I realized I was only charged for three of the keys. I planned on going back but then said ehhh it's late and I'm low on gas....nah.

It was like $1.30 or something.

I once was only charged for one beer instead of the full 6-pack at a self checkout.  Left and drank all of them

Take that Kroger

Unbelieveable. Ban this filth!

[kick51]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1247883&page=1

Nintendo should start up their own tournament like capcom cup, with Evo dropping nintendo games. It's win/win for everyone.

[Joe Molotov]

Another cops shooting event in Baron Rouge. Prepare for the avalanche of of posts going like  "I visited there once on a family trip in 1995, I better call my mom to tell her I'm okay", "America is so scary I am disgusted", the random technical debate from gun nuts, the over dramatic "crying so hard right now ;_;" posts, a bunch of posting blaming this on the elections and the creepy pseudo "they deserve it" subtext in some posts.

 

u forgot "this fucking year"

Prince is dead, Ali is dead, some cops are dead, and me I feel also not so good.

[Mupepe]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210313875&postcount=493

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Shocked that a fan of Warhammer 40K has questionable opinions about race and policing.

He's also a max security prison guard so I'm sure that has shaped his opinion some

[bork]

I once was only charged for one beer instead of the full 6-pack at a self checkout.  Left and drank all of them

Take that Kroger

[curly]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1247883&page=1

Nintendo should start up their own tournament like capcom cup, with Evo dropping nintendo games. It's win/win for everyone.

Trash 4 peasants being treated like shit

[Trent Dole]

Smash isn't a fighting game

[Tasty]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1247649

most mature and helpful posts are from someone with a sonic avatar

nothing in this world makes sense to me anymore

Krejlooc's always been pretty cool IIRC.

[bork]

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1247883&page=1

Nintendo should start up their own tournament like capcom cup, with Evo dropping nintendo games. It's win/win for everyone.

Trash 4 peasants being treated like shit

Too much salt over Melee being the premier game.  I think it's time they dropped it and just go with Smash 4 though.  There's no reason to have both.

[mormapope]

Smash is a fighting game series that should have its own event. Capcom Cup exists and only has the latest Street Fighter. Problem always comes to money, and Nintendo hasn't supported Smash nearly as much as player communities.

Smash having its own event also would allow for team/duo matches, and finally a bracket or side tournament that has items enabled.

[Tasty]

Too much salt over Melee being the premier game.  I think it's time they dropped it and just go with Smash 4 though.  There's no reason to have both.

They're two different games, and Melee got 2300+ entrants. I don't think they're gonna drop it.

I'm not as riled up about the Smash 4 drama since I wasn't there, but it did seem pretty shitty from what I can tell - especially for the second biggest game of the event. I understand Melee gets the hype, but not treating Smash 4 like a side event should be the least SRK can do. I understand not having two Smash Grand Finals on Sunday, but poorly run pools, bad seeding, and lack of projector for key matches is amateur.

It seems like some of those problems extended to KI, Tekken, and Marvel, but they're not #2. Recognizing and talking about the problems isn't whining, if something productive comes from it then it'll have been worth it and the next EVO will be better for everyone.

Unfortunately the entire FGC hates Smash for no reason, so I'm not holding my breath.

[thisismyusername]

I once was only charged for one beer instead of the full 6-pack at a self checkout.  Left and drank all of them

...And then drove home drunk.

Take THAT Brandnew.

<3 Kroger.

Too much salt over Melee being the premier game.  I think it's time they dropped it and just go with Smash 4 though.  There's no reason to have both.

They're two different games, and Melee got 2300+ entrants. I don't think they're gonna drop it.

I'm not as riled up about the Smash 4 drama since I wasn't there, but it did seem pretty shitty from what I can tell - especially for the second biggest game of the event. I understand Melee gets the hype, but not treating Smash 4 like a side event should be the least SRK can do. I understand not having two Smash Grand Finals on Sunday, but poorly run pools, bad seeding, and lack of projector for key matches is amateur.

It seems like some of those problems extended to KI, Tekken, and Marvel, but they're not #2. Recognizing and talking about the problems isn't whining, if something productive comes from it then it'll have been worth it and the next EVO will be better for everyone.

Unfortunately the entire FGC hates Smash for no reason, so I'm not holding my breath.

https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/748950156423364608
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/748950307237949440
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749020521665265665

MORE SPECIFICALLY:

https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749098932890771457
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749099115179483136
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749101480632659969
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749104152026836993
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749106289448329216
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749112832923348992
SmashFIGs status: On blast here
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749114444374953984
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749114999008661504
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749116873531199488

That said:

https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749118275519340544
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749118459292770304
https://twitter.com/CEOJebailey/status/749118625202614272
Also

This isn't the first time Smash Boards (and I'm calling them specifically out as they're the largest "fan forum" for Smash) has had run-ins with the "FGC" and stepping on toes and being "unprofessional"/acting like a bunch of spoiled kids.

It's not hard to understand why a bunch of the "FGC" loathes Smash players if you've seen what they do/did in the early 00's.

[curly]

Don't think smashboards gets used much anymore. 80% of those tweets sound like they're about Leffen 

[thisismyusername]

Honestly, I couldn't care. I'm just angry because surprise SmashFIGs have to act like children once again because they didn't get their way.

http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1247883&page=1

Nintendo should start up their own tournament like capcom cup, with Evo dropping nintendo games. It's win/win for everyone.

Some of those complaints are valid, some of them aren't now that I'm actually back-reading and checking the history. (I didn't watch these because:

Smash isn't a fighting game

:kermiT)

But some of it is running a tournament. Evo is notorious for running badly. Event Organizers/TO's for Smash can't do much about that. If they were outright told not to give Smash special treatment so they can run on time, that's on Evo. But at the same time, if those set-ups were needed for casuals/"friendlies" because Evo allocated them specifically for that purpose, it's on Smashers for getting butthurt about it.

And I agree, Smash and other games should be completely separate. Smash was doing fine without needing Evo and vice-versa.

Too much salt over Melee being the premier game.  I think it's time they dropped it and just go with Smash 4 though.  There's no reason to have both.

That's not going to happen when you have a bunch of die-hards that flat out refuse to attempt to adapt/jump on the newest release because SURPRISE it's not a clone of Melee.

It's like asking a bunch of die-hard 3rd Strike players ( if any are still around) to move to Street Fighter 5. Some won't because "MUH PARRIES RN'T IN IT *tips the arcade machine*" But at the same time, Smash 4 has to be featured for Nintendo to allow Melee to be at Evo. Evo's hands are tied and it's a "damned if you do" situation for them. Frankly, they should just drop BOTH and let Smash fend for itself.

[Tasty]

It's not hard to understand why a bunch of the "FGC" loathes Smash players if you've seen what they do/did in the early 00's.

Why did they act that way, though? Could it be they felt ignored and denigrated?

Smash isn't a fighting game

15 years of this shit and the FGC still hasn't learned a goddamn thing, except for Mr. Wizard (bless his heart.)

But you have characters, there’s special moves and a lifebar, it’s a fighting game. I don’t know what else to tell you. It wasn’t on our radar because they hadn’t made a Smash game in forever, but a couple years ago we did a drive for breast cancer research and Smash won. It made us realize how relevant the scene was. I think Smash is here to stay.

You mentioned the Smash community, they love that game. It’s 15 years old, it’s not in HD, if your controller breaks you have to spend $150 on a replacement, but they’re so passionate about it.

The Smash community has proven time and time again that they are here to stay, and with the diverse number of crossover players, it was very clear that each game has their own following. It's so amazing that a fifteen year old game can get record numbers, and so we decided to bring them both back.

It's time for the rest of the FGC to catch up, because as he's said, Smash is here to stay. Better get used it.

[thisismyusername]

Why did they act that way, though? Could it be they felt ignored and denigrated?

Nope. Because they literally were 10-14 year olds at the time Melee came out. There wasn't an "older crowd" that helped them understand that shitting in hotel trashcans/wrecking hotels is not a good thing and will not have those hotels run your events in the future.

The Smash community is still "young" in terms of scene-life and they didn't have older players trying to help them mature. So there's still a lot of childish behavior from them when they don't get their way. It's why if Evo dropped them, it'd be best for both parties: Let Evo do it's own thing with the "FGC" and let Smashers be children if that's what they want.

[Tasty]

Why did they act that way, though? Could it be they felt ignored and denigrated?

Nope. Because they literally were 10-14 year olds at the time Melee came out. There wasn't an "older crowd" that helped them understand that shitting in hotel trashcans/wrecking hotels is not a good thing and will not have those hotels run your events in the future.

The Smash community is still "young" in terms of scene-life and they didn't have older players trying to help them mature. So there's still a lot of childish behavior from them when they don't get their way. It's why if Evo dropped them, it'd be best for both parties: Let Evo do it's own thing with the "FGC" and let Smashers be children if that's what they want.

That is demonstrably not true.



I'm not inclined to talk about it since as posted it's not going to happen for years if ever, but EVO dropping Smash would be bad for EVO and the FGC overall. The best way forward is to coexist and make the scene stronger. That's all I've ever wanted to see happen - Smash accepted for what it is: a fun fighting game. Cutting Smash out would weaken both (the years in between Brawl being dropped and Melee being added back to EVO are called "the dark ages" and it seemed likely the scene would almost die out.)

You don't make a scene stronger by pretending 6000 players don't exist.

Unfortunately there's people like you who make it into "us vs. them." Can't wait to have this same argument next year (when Melee and Smash 4's entrant numbers are even higher.)

[curly]

Like Evo's going to drop it's second and third most popular games 

[kick51]

If anything, Evo just needs another fucking day.  It's been scaling up this whole time on 3 days ffs

Surely its draw is big enough to get people to take one extra vacation day for it

[thisismyusername]

That is demonstrably not true.

Posting a documentary about older Smash players doesn't help your argument about how the larger Smash community/fanbase conducts itself. One of us has seen the history of how Smash trashes or whines about things not going their own way. The other is posting videos. Who is in the right here? (Hint: The one that is in the larger FGC that loathes Smash because of said behavior)

If anything, Evo just needs another fucking day.  It's been scaling up this whole time on 3 days ffs

Surely its draw is big enough to get people to take one extra vacation day for it

Also, I'd agree with this. At this point (and it's been a known thing for like 2-3 years now) Evo needs to stretch itself out for about 4-5 days specifically to cater to CapcomFIGs that refuse to play anything that isn't Marvel/SF, NamcoFIGs that play Tekken and Soul Calibur, Animu fans that play Airdashers from Arc System Works and DoA (). This would give each niche a specific day and avoid "running over time" issues for streams.

...And I  guess SmashFIGs if they stop being children. But that's highly unlikely.

[mormapope]

The main thing Smash contributes to the FGC is viewership and money via entries. Which is a contribution, but it would be wrong to say Smash is needed in the FGC or EVO.

There isn't a big cross over of people that love Smash and play other fighting games, vice versa there isn't a Tekken or Street Fighter player that loves those games and Smash. The people into Smash are mainly into Smash, the people into traditional 2D and 3D fighting games are into those. I'm talking about from a playing and participating perspective.

Smash as a game is completely different to any other fighter, this in turn makes Smash have its own identity and community.

Games like Dead or Alive, Virtua Fighter, new and obscure 2D fighting game releases, they need the stage time and popularity boost more than a game that's been relevant for 15 years and the second sequel to that game. Smash can be on its own and fine. The main reason why its part of EVO is due to Mr Wizard making cash from it, nothing more, nothing less.

If he wasn't raking the cash in, it would be someone else who needs Nintendo's blessing.   

[eleuin]

Smash players http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soti0a

[kick51]

Smash players http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soti0a

wow and the entire smash community just let this happen i can't believe it

oh wait, that's only the response when someone in capcom fighting games acts up

[Tasty]

That is demonstrably not true.

Posting a documentary about older Smash players doesn't help your argument about how the larger Smash community/fanbase conducts itself. One of us has seen the history of how Smash trashes or whines about things not going their own way. The other is posting videos. Who is in the right here? (Hint: The one that is in the larger FGC that loathes Smash because of said behavior)

Loathing a community isn't very productive, especially when there are many good people in it (and this I do know) and also when most of the slights were a decade a go. But I guess the "bitch eating crackers" theory applies. Where you see whining, I see constructive discussion on how to improve EVO.

I could also argue that the FGC as a whole isn't very mature either, but my desire for a more unified scene isn't contingent on maturity or things that were done in the past.

There's probably nothing that can be done to change your opinion of the Smash community and I'm fairly burnt out on trying - we had the same argument last year, and I was extraordinarily patient with you.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=172214306&postcount=3786

These were tweeted to Ultra David.

These are the current viewership of the EVO streams.

Cap. USF4 31k
Evo1 USF4 75k
Evo2: SSBM 28k
Evo4: SSBW 27k

106K Street Fighter viewers versus 55K Smash

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You were saying?

But Smashers are the immature ones. As you said:

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[Tasty]

Smash players http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soti0a

https://twitter.com/PG_MVD/status/754780311087525888
https://twitter.com/ZuFats/status/754787324798590976
https://twitter.com/PG_ESAM/status/754790722989993984
https://twitter.com/VS_NickRiddle/status/754789160615972864

I had to look up who Hyuga even was. Smash community reaction has been swift and harsh. Don't know what you're trying to say.

[Rufus]

Bring back Final Fantasy rankings.

[Rufus]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210311547&postcount=6558

this guy is a fucking idiot and i hope the person he quoted doesn't get banned for saying "fuck you" to him because he deserves all of that and more.

He said "fuck you" the opposition wins by technicality, cant believe he chose to die on this hill in 2016 on the wrong side of history, obv a gamergater

He's still around and even being cheered on by people, calm your horses guys.

Welp, spoke too soon. Both banned. As you were, gentlemen.

[qq more]

Smash players http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1soti0a

https://twitter.com/PG_MVD/status/754780311087525888
https://twitter.com/ZuFats/status/754787324798590976
https://twitter.com/PG_ESAM/status/754790722989993984
https://twitter.com/VS_NickRiddle/status/754789160615972864

I had to look up who Hyuga even was. Smash community reaction has been swift and harsh. Don't know what you're trying to say.

But generalizing is the easy and lazy way!

[eleuin]

Nothing, the fgc as you said is immature and embarrassing as a whole

You've got rapists, Noel brown women beaters, little children shitting in pools, nobody has any place to complain about accommodations when shit like this is associated with a community trying to be taken seriously

[thisismyusername]

The main thing Smash contributes to the FGC is viewership and money via entries. Which is a contribution, but it would be wrong to say Smash is needed in the FGC or EVO.

There isn't a big cross over of people that love Smash and play other fighting games, vice versa there isn't a Tekken or Street Fighter player that loves those games and Smash. The people into Smash are mainly into Smash, the people into traditional 2D and 3D fighting games are into those. I'm talking about from a playing and participating perspective.

Smash as a game is completely different to any other fighter, this in turn makes Smash have its own identity and community.

Games like Dead or Alive, Virtua Fighter, new and obscure 2D fighting game releases, they need the stage time and popularity boost more than a game that's been relevant for 15 years and the second sequel to that game. Smash can be on its own and fine. The main reason why its part of EVO is due to Mr Wizard making cash from it, nothing more, nothing less.

If he wasn't raking the cash in, it would be someone else who needs Nintendo's blessing.

Also Andy forgets that Smash (Melee era) was a part of Evo for one year and then quickly dropped because of what I'm talking about. FOH with that "but they don't act like kids at all!" reasoning.

Mr. Wizard only allowed Smash to come back because they donated a bunch and he knows it'll bring money and shut up (those of us) that are tired of Evo being "Capcom-Fighting Game Tournament Premier." Airdashers never got stage time at Evo00-10 until like Blazblue had a decent sized community. Even though Tekken's scene is semi-large, it never got time at Evo either. Mr. Wizard's firmly in Capcom's pocket.

Nothing, the fgc as you said is immature and embarrassing as a whole

You've got rapists, Noel brown women beaters, little children shitting in pools, nobody has any place to complain about accommodations when shit like this is associated with a community trying to be taken seriously

And I won't dispute that. Both scenes are awful and the FGC protecting Noel Brown until recently (and Aries being a creep on that SFxT stream and them protecting him then) is why I stopped following the "FGC" and fighting games in general outside of casually. Both scenes are bad, but if you've seen what Smash does if they don't get their way, it's not hard to understand why there is anger and annoyance from "FGC" people/organizers on them.

[curly]

Still fighting tribal nerd battles over stuff that happened a decade ago 

[Tasty]

Show me where Mr. Wizard said Melee was dropped for immaturity reasons and not logistics/popularity. The scene as a whole was cooling off big time in the year between those EVOs because, hello, Brawl released.

EVO 2007 (Melee's debut) = August 24-26 2007
Brawl's release = March 9, 2008
EVO 2008 (Brawl's debut, no Melee) = August 8-10, 2008

But sure, it was player shenanigans that somehow shamed Mr. Wizard into excluding Melee. But he still allowed Brawl for the next two years.

OK.

[Tasty]

As a guy who plays fighting games every other day since he cloud walk: NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERDS

Yeeeppp.

But it's EVO, what can you expect. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[thisismyusername]

Show me where Mr. Wizard said Melee was dropped for immaturity reasons and not logistics/popularity.

  You're talking about '07, when I'm talking '03 or '04. EG: When the Melee scene was still young and had these childish antics being pulled and those antics/mindsets started to fester in the community. Mr. Wizard didn't officially state he dropped Melee because of it, but if you read between the lines from him, the "greater FGC scene at large" and players that were there, it's not hard to understand where the animosity comes from.

But please do go on protecting Smash's honor from someone that 1) doesn't even give a shit and 2) doesn't even give a shit because you feel threatened by someone explaining why "the FGC hates" Smash "for" no "reason."

[kick51]

Nothing, the fgc as you said is immature and embarrassing as a whole

You've got rapists, Noel brown women beaters, little children shitting in pools, nobody has any place to complain about accommodations when shit like this is associated with a community trying to be taken seriously

It's time that the head committee of the fgc step up and purify the scene of every possible deviation, just like real sports leagues.

[Kara]

Bring back Final Fantasy rankings.

1. Ehrgeiz
2. Dissidia 012
3. Dissidia

[Tasty]

Show me where Mr. Wizard said Melee was dropped for immaturity reasons and not logistics/popularity.

  You're talking about '07, when I'm talking '03 or '04. EG: When the Melee scene was still young and had these childish antics being pulled and those antics/mindsets started to fester in the community. Mr. Wizard didn't officially state he dropped Melee because of it, but if you read between the lines from him, the "greater FGC scene at large" and players that were there, it's not hard to understand where the animosity comes from.

But please do go on protecting Smash's honor from someone that 1) doesn't even give a shit and 2) doesn't even give a shit because you feel threatened by someone explaining why "the FGC hates" Smash "for" no "reason."

Smash wasn't officially at EVO until 2007, though. I'm sure there were side tournaments but you're not going to get the serious players for those.

You're also yet to produce a quote.

You can't help but butt in whenever I mention Smash joining the FGC in any kind of positive light, so you must give some kind of shit. I can probably set my clock by your fevered responses to my Smash posts by this point.

I should amend my "no reason" statement since I should have known it'd be an easy opening for you to brainlessly potshot; "no real reason." No legitimate reason. Why is the FGC demanding "maturity" from the Smash community when they've demonstrated little themselves? The causes run deeper than that. A big part is because Smash as a game previously got literally no respect, even apart from the community. You still even see it on this site.

Thankfully it's a lot better lately, many people have opened up to Melee being what it is: an incredibly deep fighting game that requires high physical dexterity and mental acuity to play at high levels. That's the only thing that gives me hope things might change and this irrational distaste for the game and its community dissipate somewhere down the line.

[Tasty]

This is the first time I've seen thisismyusername defend a large group of black people.

He prefers to call them "packs."

[TVC15]

1. Halo
2. Halo 3
3. Halo 2
4. That's all I could rank from this series because I stopped playing because none of them are really all that good.

[Kara]

I know there's a certain DIY current to fighting games but why the preoccupation with the word community.

[Tasty]

1. Halo
2. Halo 3
3. Halo 2
4. That's all I could rank from this series because I stopped playing because none of them are really all that good.

I heard Reach was decent.

Did anyone actually play Halo Wars?

[parallax]

Bring back Final Fantasy rankings.

1. Ehrgeiz
2. Dissidia 012
3. Dissidia

ehrgeiz is "loved" by people thinking they are deep for liking some obscure game. the characters are interesting, but the engine is trash. namco should buy those characters outright and put them in a tekken spinoff

the tobal series are better square fighters

[eleuin]

No idea, they've gotta pretend to be inclusive when everyone actually hates each other

[Rufus]

I know there's a certain DIY current to fighting games but why the preoccupation with the word community.

The SRK forums being the de-facto FGC HQ might have something to do with it.

[Tasty]

1. Crystal Chronicles
2. Echoes of Time
3. Ring of Fates
4. My Life as a King
5. My Life as a Darklord
6. Crystal Bearers