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Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« on: November 27, 2015, 12:10:38 PM »
You're finally old enough to...

...just kidding, you're not old enough to do anything because you died in your crib!

:piss Sega fanthings :piss2
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2015, 12:25:00 PM »
What a weird number to celebrate.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2015, 01:18:24 PM »
Bangai-O was pretty cool.
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2015, 01:28:58 PM »
If you were still buying Sega products at that point, you deserved to waste your money.


That felt good. Like an old soldier putting on his uniform again and going to a military re-enactment.




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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2015, 01:48:32 PM »
I loved the Dreamcast although I never was some crazy sega fanboy. Great system. I was sad it died although the handwriting was on the wall.

Of course this is probably coloured by the fact that I was working at a sega affiliate at the time although I bought the dreamcast before I worked there.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2015, 02:14:22 PM »
RIP Dreamcast, sorry you were so easily piratable but bless you for introducing console emulation
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2015, 06:55:42 PM »
RIP Dreamcast, you were the last system that made arcade ports relevant.

also you were the system wherein somebody at one time said, "I think we can make some money off this Illbleed game."

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2015, 08:15:08 PM »
The only Sega console I ever owned, and the least expensive console I ever bought because you could get everything dirt cheap when it was in its death throes.
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2015, 10:01:41 AM »
It's not dead, I'm sure another shmup will be released on it any day now.
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2015, 10:02:32 AM »
It's not dead, I'm sure another shmup will be released on it any day now.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2015, 02:09:01 PM »
Power Stone was my shit

The console was just too good to last long RIP
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2015, 03:23:05 PM »
More like Failcast, this thing got killed by the GameCube lmao

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2015, 03:25:10 PM »
More like Failcast, this thing got killed by the GameCube lmao

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2015, 03:42:17 PM »
Always looking for the Nintendo upside, huh? :heh

Sega slashed their wrists long before and just finally bled out with the Dreamcast.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2015, 03:53:24 PM »
Sega slashed their wrists long before and just finally bled out with the Dreamcast.

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The Dreamcast was the best thing they had done since the Genesis. It's just they were a terminal patient by that point.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2015, 06:13:02 PM »
More like Failcast, this thing got killed by the GameCube lmao
I thought the Dreamcast died because of Sega's constant fuck ups before it? I doubt the GC had anything to do with it. If there were to be any competitor consoles that would kill it, it would be the PS2. Besides, the Dreamcast was already on its way out by the time the GameCube was released. Sooo....
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2015, 07:11:34 PM »
The contender was the PS2, never NGC. Sony fuckery had almost as much of a hand in the Dreamcast's demise as Sega did to itself. Sony announced a launch date for the PS2 which they not only missed, but never had any intention to honor. IIRC, this was the order of events:
  • Sega: We're making the Dreamcast! Here are our specs (You'll notice no-one has done this since.)
  • Sony: We're making the PlayStation 2!
  • Sega: The Dreamcast will launch 9/9/99!
  • Sony: The PS2 will launch March 2000. Wouldn't you rather wait barely 3 months and get the superior machine?
  • Sega: What do you mean, superior?
  • Sony: Just wait, you'll see! (This was the origin of the Unabashed and Unsubstantiated Sony Hype Train.
  • Sega: VIOLA! Here is the Dreamcast! On time!
  • Sony: (charging onto the stage) Hey, lookee our EMOTION ENGINE. Makes DC look like hot garbage, dunnit? (Nevermind the man behind the curtain; this is the EE, but it's not on retail hardware! Yay! Obfuscation!)
  • Sega: Hey, our launch was really weak. Fine, Sony, it's February, when are you shipping?
  • Sony: Oh, right. We're actually going to slip 6 months... LOL

But Sega also made a big deal of their online network, which apparently was a bunch of strung together dial-up modems, had shortages of their peripherals, which were all region-locked so they couldn't redirect if they wanted, and they'd gone with the shitstain GD-ROM format while Sony strode in with their DVD format which also played movies -- and it's no coincidence that in Japan the number of copies of The Matrix DVD sold almost identically to the number of PS2 units.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2015, 08:14:08 PM »
DVD definitely helped the PS2. But I don't think the PS2 had strong graphical contenders compared to the Dreamcast/Soul Calibur. Even SC2 on PS2 didn't look as good as the Dreamcast SC.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2015, 08:42:50 PM »
? PS2 did launch in March 2000 though? At least in Japan.
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2015, 08:42:58 PM »
Considering the caliber of software in 2005 and 2006 for PS2/GC/Xbox, there is no way the Dreamcast could have competed with the games in that part of the generation.  Sega would have needed to put out a Dreamcast successor in 2003 to keep up.

I had a lot of good memories about the console then: I remember preordering it, I remember not being able to sleep the night before, and I remember how mindblowing Sonic Adventure and Soul Calibur looked at the time.  I had a lot of fun with the console, especially Skies of Arcadia.  It's a shame that SOA2 never came out but Sega's quality declined big time after going third party so it probably would have been hot garbage so maybe it was for the best that it didn't come out.
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2015, 09:15:04 PM »
? PS2 did launch in March 2000 though? At least in Japan.

Ah, I am probably misremembering some of this. Maybe Sony first claimed it would be November or December launch, so the perceived waiting time would only be a month or two after DC's launch? Maybe it was October that Sony announced, "J/K LOL we're not shipping until March."

That sounds more like it, because in that scenario, waiting until mid-October to announce slipping would have disrupted any initial foothold Dreamcast might have gained from Christmas purchases.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2015, 09:20:55 PM »
I still believe that if Sonic had made it to the Saturn, Sega would still be making hardware today. Gaming's biggest what if.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2015, 09:53:35 PM »
I still believe that if Sonic had made it to the Saturn, Sega would still be making hardware today. Gaming's biggest what if.
Sure, but that's another case of Sega managing to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

They.

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Incompetent.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2015, 10:24:27 PM »
That's pretty obvious.

But if Saturn had a Sonic, maybe Saturn got Sonic out by Christmas 96. Saturn would be far more viable in the west, and likely more successful. Sega wouldn't feel pressed to make Dreamcast.

It's gaming's greatest what if for me.

But knowing Sega they'd fuck it up somehow.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2015, 10:32:44 PM »
My first internet forum was a Dreamcast/Sega fansite.  :lol
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2015, 10:50:36 PM »
Considering the caliber of software in 2005 and 2006 for PS2/GC/Xbox, there is no way the Dreamcast could have competed with the games in that part of the generation.

Examples, please.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2015, 10:52:46 PM »
Naw, Saturn was fucked in the West from the get go, partly due to their own choices regarding the hardware, but really more so because of their competition.

The PS1 kicked so much ass, was cheaper, had more and 'better' looking games (and people were willing to chuck sophisticated 2D games for chunky polygons by the droves back then), and any leftovers in the Western market were handily being scooped up by the (remember, it really was) hugely popular N64, which succeeded far beyond the level that it really should have (bi-monthly game releases, yea!).

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #27 on: November 28, 2015, 11:00:30 PM »
Hey guys remember when Sega was planning to launch the Saturn but they also thought it was a good idea to make a console before it named the Neptune that was a Genesis + 32X all in one and then someone at the company said "wait this is fucking stupid" but not before they had showed it at various tradeshows and had presumably spent millions and millions in R&D costs?

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #28 on: November 28, 2015, 11:24:58 PM »
Considering the caliber of software in 2005 and 2006 for PS2/GC/Xbox, there is no way the Dreamcast could have competed with the games in that part of the generation.

Examples, please.

did i just fall into a timewarp back to 2000
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2015, 11:28:33 PM »
Considering the caliber of software in 2005 and 2006 for PS2/GC/Xbox, there is no way the Dreamcast could have competed with the games in that part of the generation.

Examples, please.

did i just fall into a timewarp back to 2000

No, I'm honestly curious what games he considers better than SC1 in 2005 for X-box/PS2. PS2 was looking hella rough around that time. The only notable example of something eye-popping would be FF12, but even that didn't have the clean image quality that the Dreamcast Soul Calibur had in 1999.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2015, 12:27:56 AM »


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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2015, 02:07:05 AM »
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Man the Dreamcast was a great console, so many great and inventive games in all sorts of genres. It's till in my top 3, don't care how short it's lifetime is or how many times it's games got ported. Still one of the GOATs.
In this respect I feel like the DC was a PS1.5 of sorts. It bridged the gap in terms of giving people something to play while they waited for the PS2. But it also did a great job of carrying that third-party Japanese gaming niche the way the PS1 had, with the addition of being the culmination of Sega's longtime dream of bringing home gaming and arcade experiences together into one box.

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« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2015, 04:22:53 AM »
Everyone always forgets that DC was hampered by its game library. When I mean that, I don't mean it was a bad library, but at the time, it wasn't what people wanted. Dc's most famous games at the time were arcade games in a time when arcades were dying in mass numbers. DC had some of the best 2d fighters - mark of the wolves, third strike, mvc2, last blade 2 - during a time when 2d fighters were seen as inferior to 3d fighters. DC had Soul Calibir and Virtua Fighter 3, but for the most part there was no reason for Johnny or Mindy Average to invest in a DC for those games when you could get Tekken 3, which was cleaning up shop. If you liked 2d fighters it was far more prudent to get Street Fighter Alpha 2 or 3 as well. No one knew there even was a Street Fighter III, much less a THIRD SFIII, because again, arcades dying.

Despite DC's lineup being AAA if you have discerning tastes related to specific niche genres like fighters - especially fighters and racers - they came out during a time when some of those genres were starting to wane in popularity. Why pay 50 bucks for Crazy Taxi when you spend 50 dollars on Final Fantasy IX instead and get 50 hours of it? Kid I know in gym complained he beat Crazy Taxi in one sitting. Classic game, but came out during a time when people's tastes had shifted.

There's a lot batting against Dreamcast. That happens to be a fairly large reason, and given Sega's arcade roots, they were fucked either way.

Great thing about Dreamcast is that, much like ps2, it's still worth having hooked up to your tv right now depending on your taste. Capcom is never making a Power Stone 2 HD or a Project Justice HD. Not happening. Or that fucking fighter with the robots. Cast is still the shit. Ps2 is the last great system for retro fighters though.
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #33 on: November 29, 2015, 05:51:24 AM »
DC was fucked yeah. It was made clear as soon as soon as EA sports said "lol no" (no ISS / PES) that it would struggle with its library as far as mainstream appeal go.

Still some of my best memories.
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #34 on: November 29, 2015, 07:43:48 AM »
2k series was fine but still no proper soccer game. Very early on it was clear it would not gain any mainstream traction and that most publishers weren't gonna bother treating it as an equal anyway. Sega, Capcom, SNK and to a lesser extent Namco were most of the good output as far as I remember and mostly for arcade ports (apart from Sega). Fine by me but not what most people wanted.

Also controler was meh and VMU a pain.
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #35 on: November 29, 2015, 08:05:36 AM »
EA Sports wasn't the only one.  Konami, Namco, Square, and Enix offered little or no support for the Dreamcast.  This was in an era where Japanese publishers were still a big deal.  Having many of the major publishers pass on your console was a death knell.  Capcom offered great support but one publisher is not enough.

Considering the caliber of software in 2005 and 2006 for PS2/GC/Xbox, there is no way the Dreamcast could have competed with the games in that part of the generation.

Examples, please.

did i just fall into a timewarp back to 2000

No, I'm honestly curious what games he considers better than SC1 in 2005 for X-box/PS2. PS2 was looking hella rough around that time. The only notable example of something eye-popping would be FF12, but even that didn't have the clean image quality that the Dreamcast Soul Calibur had in 1999.

I can't imagine a game like Halo 2 or GTA San Andreas running on the Dreamcast without a lot of compromises.  I could be wrong though but it seemed like a lot of games in the latter part of the generation would require more than a 64/128 bit console like the Dreamcast could handle.
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #36 on: November 29, 2015, 08:29:18 AM »
I can't imagine a game like Halo 2 or GTA San Andreas running on the Dreamcast without a lot of compromises.  I could be wrong though but it seemed like a lot of games in the latter part of the generation would require more than a 64/128 bit console like the Dreamcast could handle.

Well, you're talking in terms of console power a little. In my case, I'm more talking in graphical fidelity/image quality. The Dreamcast still has some pretty good ultra-clean Image Quality despite being 16 years old. San Andreas looks fine, but not on the level of early DC titles IMO. Double so with that infamous "fog filter" that all the GTA's on PS2 had. The X-box SA looked pretty clean but not as clean as the VC/3 port. (:lawd at the X-box ports of those. Really should have that image quality ported to the PC version which was just the PS2 version ported quickly)

I mean Halo 2, yeah. That was a looker in the time of transitioning from that era to the next. So I'll give you that.

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« Reply #37 on: November 29, 2015, 08:30:50 AM »
Capcom support was great, SNK support was great, Sega support was great.

But the two biggest developers that booked during that era were Namco and Square. Neither were on the system. Namco prodded with Soul Calibur, but cancelled Time crisis 2 and an exclusive Ridge Racer.

Great thing about Cast is that the first party lineup is so good that if you're there for the games, it's probably got the best first party lineup that hasn't been topped in all this time. I put my Sega jacket in my drawer and covered it in mothballs, and I was definitely a Sony kid instead, but Sony's first party paled to DC's as good as it was.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #38 on: November 29, 2015, 08:36:18 AM »
You can hook your Dreamcast up to vga and then use an upscaler to play Dreamcast games in 1080p. It isn't true 1080p but it looks amazing. Dreamcast iq poops on ps2's and even xbox's iirc. That vga swagger. Even connected to component, jaggy city for the ps2. The Dreamcast is literally the only pre hd console you can hook up to your tv now with official video stuff it came with and have it still looks amazing in terms of (understandable) res and iq.

Shit is ridiculous. Highly suggest it.
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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #39 on: November 29, 2015, 08:59:11 AM »
Dreamcast looks like this when hooked up to vga and upscaled on the system.



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« Reply #40 on: November 29, 2015, 08:59:38 AM »
The DC was a Capcom machine for me. MvC2, Power Stone 2 and Rival Schools were pretty much the only games I played. I also played some Shenmue on it but I remember dropping it early on because the game seemed kinda weird to me back then.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #41 on: November 29, 2015, 01:40:04 PM »
You can hook your Dreamcast up to vga and then use an upscaler to play Dreamcast games in 1080p. It isn't true 1080p but it looks amazing. Dreamcast iq poops on ps2's and even xbox's iirc. That vga swagger. Even connected to component, jaggy city for the ps2. The Dreamcast is literally the only pre hd console you can hook up to your tv now with official video stuff it came with and have it still looks amazing in terms of (understandable) res and iq.

Shit is ridiculous. Highly suggest it.
I got a very nice CRT that I keep for retro systems. My DC through S-video looks way nicer then my PS2 through component. On a CRT. I have no idea how that's even possible.

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Re: Happy 17th birthday, Dreamcast!
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2015, 02:30:40 PM »
Why'd you guys have to remind me of Project Justice? :fbm

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« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2015, 03:01:53 PM »
You can hook your Dreamcast up to vga and then use an upscaler to play Dreamcast games in 1080p. It isn't true 1080p but it looks amazing. Dreamcast iq poops on ps2's and even xbox's iirc. That vga swagger. Even connected to component, jaggy city for the ps2. The Dreamcast is literally the only pre hd console you can hook up to your tv now with official video stuff it came with and have it still looks amazing in terms of (understandable) res and iq.

Shit is ridiculous. Highly suggest it.
I got a very nice CRT that I keep for retro systems. My DC through S-video looks way nicer then my PS2 through component. On a CRT. I have no idea how that's even possible.

Dreamcast is magic.

I don't have a crt. I game on retro systems hooked up to my lcd. Have my ps2 hooked up via component, ps4 on hdmi, and Dreamcast on hdmi. I didn't get ps2 component cables until earlier this year. It looks WAY better  than AV, or s video, but I was still disappointed because I had been weaned on Dreamcast looking clear even on s video....on an lcd TV.

Going from Shenmue S video to Final Fantasy XII component is :dead in terms of the level of iq downgrade. Put Shenmue in vga and it stomps on FFXII even further. It's not even fair. It's not even a contest.
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« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2015, 03:19:07 PM »
I use SCART for some of my retro consoles on my CRT TV. Does VGA look better than SCART?
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« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2015, 03:22:12 PM »
Vga looks massively better than scart. Vga has HD level quality and resolutions.







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