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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #120 on: May 16, 2016, 04:21:48 PM »
ya the DLC needs to be done before you beat the main game or else you'll miss it and need to do a NG+

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« Reply #121 on: May 16, 2016, 04:40:52 PM »
I've thrice beaten DaS and never done the DLC despite playing PTD. I should prob do that.
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« Reply #122 on: May 16, 2016, 04:52:58 PM »
You disgust me. 

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« Reply #123 on: May 17, 2016, 10:58:42 PM »
I didnt buy the DLC.

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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #124 on: May 18, 2016, 09:06:43 AM »
Bad clip, I see no titties
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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #125 on: May 21, 2016, 05:38:25 PM »
I am on NG+2. Borys, you want to co-op?

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« Reply #126 on: May 21, 2016, 07:46:45 PM »
Demon Souls $10 on Amazon (code)

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« Reply #127 on: May 24, 2016, 09:14:06 AM »
Before I buy this, was Dark Souls Artorias of the Abyss ever included in a special bundle?

Its on sale this week for $7.49

http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Product/Dark-Souls-Artorias-of-the-Abyss/b41a6de8-ac7e-447a-826f-50239b4503e5?cid=majornelson
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« Reply #128 on: May 24, 2016, 12:11:53 PM »
Man that's expensive for an old game.  Worth it though. You are making the right choice. 

Non PC gaming :piss2

If by special bundle you mean like GOTY edition, it was PC only with Prepare to Die Edition.

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« Reply #129 on: May 24, 2016, 12:14:34 PM »
DLC rarely goes on sale on console, yea. $7.50 is a drop in the bucket for a media mogul like me though
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« Reply #130 on: May 24, 2016, 07:36:16 PM »
DLC rarely goes on sale on console, yea. $7.50 is a drop in the bucket for a media mogul like me though
That's always struck me as strange; why not price the DLC down since the digital versions get price reductions? I understand they want and deserve to make money, but when the Platinum Hits version which usually includes the DLC is available for less, it's insulting to the customer.

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« Reply #131 on: May 25, 2016, 02:16:08 AM »
Artorias is the best fight in any Souls game. It's worth getting the DLC if you like the game in general.


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« Reply #132 on: May 29, 2016, 09:34:15 AM »
I beat all the bosses except for the Nameless King, I didn't trigger the ending though. I'm keeping it there for when the DLC launches so I don't have to replay anything just to get to the DLC.
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« Reply #133 on: May 29, 2016, 01:25:50 PM »
It doesnt do new game plus like DS2?  That's a shame

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« Reply #134 on: May 29, 2016, 01:52:47 PM »
?? I'm pretty sure Dark Souls 3 has NG+

I dont think fistful wants to play the entire game again just to access the DLC
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« Reply #135 on: May 29, 2016, 02:01:02 PM »
I meant the way you start a NG+ (by talking to the fire keeper in DS2 instead of automatically at the end boss)

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« Reply #136 on: May 29, 2016, 03:11:29 PM »
You dont start NG+ as soon as you beat the boss, you have to trigger it. So you can do other stuff after you beat the last boss before ending the game.
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« Reply #137 on: May 31, 2016, 09:09:37 AM »
Dark Souls update:

- Turns out I cant buy the DLC from the web or XB1 since it requires me to add a real payment option and wont let me use credit. I cant be bothered to hook up the 360 just for the DLC, so it doesnt look like I am playing the DLC.

- Made it to Anor Londo. Wound up in the Painted World of Aramis, which was stupid that I had to get to the end before I could even leave. Read up and saw I could come back and shit on Priscilla later.

- Spent a few hours chilling at Queelag and helping people for the souls and lowering the Faith requirement for Warriors of Sunlight. Did the same for the Iron Giant as the Warrior of Sunlight.
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« Reply #138 on: June 12, 2016, 11:48:34 AM »
Dark Souls update -  I beat Gwyn with the help of my pussy-slaying bro Solaire

Playing First Sin now - before I dive in, what's OP and broken? Best starter build and weaps?
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« Reply #139 on: June 12, 2016, 11:51:21 AM »
First thing you want to stat dump in DS2 is the ADP stat.  Get AGI to at least 105 otherwise you get some extremely gimped iframes

Afterwards just get a big ass greatsword and pump STR, VIT and END and the game is a cakewalk.

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« Reply #140 on: June 12, 2016, 11:53:41 AM »
I got invaded by a Darkmoon white knight because I killed Gwyndolin, but I whooped his ass because he ran off to heal.

He sends me a message

"Really? Ass..."

"u invaded me, kys"

"Point? You shouldn't have healed "kys""

LOL at having non-spoken rules, suck my dick and take your L
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« Reply #141 on: June 12, 2016, 01:12:03 PM »
As of last night, I reached the final boss.

It is possible to beat the Soul of Cinder and go back to other content I missed without triggering NG+, right?

I still need to kill the Ancient Wyvern and the Nameless King.

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You dont start NG+ as soon as you beat the boss, you have to trigger it. So you can do other stuff after you beat the last boss before ending the game.

Oh. Should've read the thread.

Nevermind.  :doge

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« Reply #142 on: June 12, 2016, 05:57:10 PM »
I got invaded by a Darkmoon white knight because I killed Gwyndolin, but I whooped his ass because he ran off to heal.

He sends me a message

"Really? Ass..."

"u invaded me, kys"

"Point? You shouldn't have healed "kys""

LOL at having non-spoken rules, suck my dick and take your L

What a nub. There are no rules when you invade somebody else's realm.
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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #143 on: June 12, 2016, 10:12:46 PM »
missing Bloodborne, doesnt matter
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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #144 on: June 13, 2016, 01:35:41 AM »
:bow BORYS SOULS :bow2

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« Reply #145 on: February 08, 2017, 09:31:14 AM »
Gameplay footage for DLC2 (The Ringed City):




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« Reply #146 on: February 08, 2017, 09:55:54 AM »
I'm glad this was bumped -

Last night I finished Dark Souls 2 SOFTS

It got just distinguished mentally-challenged frustrating near the end - I didnt bother with any of the DLC areas because Fume Knight was just distinguished mentally-challenged, I just wanted to get my achievements and play another game.

What an uninteresting story/lore. Dark Souls (1) was wayyyyy better. Like, you know of Gwyn since the very first cutscene. In DS2, they plop Nashandra in like, WOW SURPRISE. So is this game basically a reincarnation of the very first game then? I watched some Lore videos because heaven forbid the game explain shit, but I'm like whatever so I play through it anyway.

Also they made it way better for solo players since practically every boss had at least 1 to 2 NPC summons that pretty much tank the boss for you. Unfortunately, since the game is old, its impossible to get other players to summon, or summon you (for those delicious sunlight medals). I got lucky and got two human summons for the final bosses. Even then, there's TWO NPC summons right in front of the final door.

Looking up videos of how to fight bosses is distinguished mentally-challenged since every video is like [HOW TO BEAT REALLY HARD BOSS] - video then shows player naked on NG+++++++++ casually steamrolling the boss. Like, really bitch? Fuck out of here.

Crossbow / Bow is MVP in this game, its practically all I used. What else - all the healing items they let you use, and HOW SLOW THEY HEAL YOU LIKE THE FUCK AND HOW SLOW YOU CHUG THE BOTTLE AND THEY TIED IT TO A STAT??? GARBAGE

Going to play Bloodborne next since that came out after DS2
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« Reply #147 on: February 08, 2017, 10:25:57 AM »

Looking up videos of how to fight bosses is distinguished mentally-challenged since every video is like [HOW TO BEAT REALLY HARD BOSS] - video then shows player naked on NG+++++++++ casually steamrolling the boss. Like, really bitch? Fuck out of here.


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« Reply #148 on: February 08, 2017, 02:09:37 PM »
I'm glad this was bumped -

Last night I finished Dark Souls 2 SOFTS

It got just distinguished mentally-challenged frustrating near the end - I didnt bother with any of the DLC areas because Fume Knight was just distinguished mentally-challenged, I just wanted to get my achievements and play another game.

What an uninteresting story/lore. Dark Souls (1) was wayyyyy better. Like, you know of Gwyn since the very first cutscene. In DS2, they plop Nashandra in like, WOW SURPRISE. So is this game basically a reincarnation of the very first game then? I watched some Lore videos because heaven forbid the game explain shit, but I'm like whatever so I play through it anyway.

Also they made it way better for solo players since practically every boss had at least 1 to 2 NPC summons that pretty much tank the boss for you. Unfortunately, since the game is old, its impossible to get other players to summon, or summon you (for those delicious sunlight medals). I got lucky and got two human summons for the final bosses. Even then, there's TWO NPC summons right in front of the final door.

Looking up videos of how to fight bosses is distinguished mentally-challenged since every video is like [HOW TO BEAT REALLY HARD BOSS] - video then shows player naked on NG+++++++++ casually steamrolling the boss. Like, really bitch? Fuck out of here.

Crossbow / Bow is MVP in this game, its practically all I used. What else - all the healing items they let you use, and HOW SLOW THEY HEAL YOU LIKE THE FUCK AND HOW SLOW YOU CHUG THE BOTTLE AND THEY TIED IT TO A STAT??? GARBAGE

Going to play Bloodborne next since that came out after DS2

This is all wrong and your opinion is bad.  The DLC are the best part of the game and really make the story so much better.

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« Reply #149 on: February 08, 2017, 02:31:39 PM »
You can only fight so many [giant humanoid in armor] bosses before it makes you crack
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« Reply #150 on: February 08, 2017, 03:07:41 PM »
DS2 is cool but man were the boss designs pretty lame-o
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« Reply #151 on: April 06, 2017, 05:28:29 AM »
DUMP SOULS:
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« Reply #152 on: April 30, 2017, 03:47:30 AM »
Played a bunch of this today, and...I'm not really loving it.  I'm finding it way more frustrating/difficult than any of the other soulsborne games.  I don't like my build :(

Let's see, I got through Farron's Keep alright, Abyss Watchers needed a co-op player to beat it because I kept getting swarmed by multiple Watchers.  Did the entire Cathedral of the Deep/Blessed Chapel and while I can stand back and appreciate how everything connects layout-wise, that entire church area was a load of shit.  Nothing but annoying enemies, fire arrows everywhere, little fast guys in groups with big guys, really confusing layout, lot's of places to fall to your death.  Had a really bad time getting through that and it took the bulk of the night.  Then the boss was a joke and it was like "that was it?"

Then did the Catacombs, were ok but short, the Skeleton King boss was alright.  Then got to Irthryll Valley and shit is fucking HARD.  Got to the 2nd bonfire in the church.
Also got invaded a bunch of times are really bad timing spots and killed which sucks as always.

At ithyrill valley I feel fucking slow & weak.  I'm still using my Claymore, and final got some large titanite shards here so got it to +4, it's somewhere around 230-250 attack.  My stats are pretty even VGR/END/VIT/STR, so around 22/22/22/22 with 16 on DEX, around lvl.50 overall.  I've never used a shield before in Soulsborne, I always just roll and counterhit, but I found shields really helpful with my claymore because of how slow it is so I'm rocking a great shield + claymore.

I'm also using the ring that makes you invisible when you roll to get the most out of rolling.  Other rings are HP+, Atk increase with hits and ATK+ when HP is full.

My problem is I keep getting hit stunned and fucked to death in a way that's never happened in Demon Souls, DS1/2, Bloodborne.  I feel like half the time it doesn't matter how much HP/VGR I have because once I get hit once I'm going to get hit 4 more times and die anyhow before I can even fucking roll.  It's very frustrating.  Enemies attack so much I run out of endurance rolling or blocking their attacks and have no endurance left to hit back.

For example, the skeleton knight dudes at the start of Iythrill.  Motherfuckers rush me and do these wideass swings 2-3 at a time.  If I block, blocking the 2-3 hits and takes 90% of my endurance bar and I get like 1 swing in and then I have 0 endurance and then they attack back and hit stun me and fuck me up.  If I dodge roll I gotta keep dodging the 2-3 attacks and then I'm basically at no endurance as well.  With my +4 Claymore it takes me like 4 long slow swings (an entire stamina bar) to kill one of them.  Same deal with the fire knights.  They're easier to dodge because the flames are slow, but they take like 5-6 swings and my full endurance bar or the full bar + an extra swing after recharging to kill one.

I feel like I'm really underpowered.  Like maybe I should have more levels, maybe I need to do some invasions and get pale tongues so I can do a respec at this point, maybe I should be using a different weapon.  I do really well with the Iythrill Ice Sword because it's fast but it needs twinkling twilight to upgrade and I got like 2 of them so far, so it's only +1 right now and just doesn't do much damage.  Maybe I should switch to a normal straight sword that upgrades with titanite?  Astoria Straight Sword seems pretty close to Iythrill Sword but it needs 12 faith and I'm only at 9.  I could throw the next 3 stat points into faith and use that.

Idk, the enemies are fast, hit a ton of times, have lots of HP and it's giving me trouble right now.  My Estus is at like 9 uses with +3 which isn't bad and I'm progressing, but it's slow and frustrating.  Not sure what to do to make it easier where I'm at.

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« Reply #153 on: April 30, 2017, 04:52:55 AM »
Tying respec to multiplayer is the most bullshit thing ever.  Can't kill anyone in PvP and the 2 dark wraiths that rare drop pale tongues I've been fighting for an hour without a single drop.  Need 3 more tongues to respec and a respec should solve all my problems.

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« Reply #154 on: April 30, 2017, 05:50:52 AM »
Ok, fixed my issues with my build and the difficulty.  I read that the Exile Greatsword (which I had in my inventory) is a beast weapon after the latest patch, so I tried it out and it seems faster than the claymore with a longer range and harder damage.  I also read that I missed the optional Smouldering Lake area.  So I did Demon Ruins/Smouldering Lake and got a bunch of large titanite and got it to +6.  Now in central Irithyll I kill those Pontiff knights in 2 hits which is the strength I want to be at to comfortably get through stages.

Next session I'll get the Chaos Flame pyro magic and buff my pyro hand to add some additional DPS.  Combined it should make it much more doable getting through the 2nd half of the game. 

Btw, one issue I have with DS3 is how dumb a lot of the bosses are if you hug their feet.  I did Old Demon King and he never even got off an attack on me, I just hugged his feet and slashed and he'd miss me with everything. 

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« Reply #155 on: April 30, 2017, 10:51:58 PM »
Ok, got to Pontiff Sullyvan and managed to take him out with a sword & shield circling him & blocking solo on my 3rd try.  Feel pretty ok with my build. Made it to Anor Londo & Irithyll Dungeon. Progress going good.

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« Reply #156 on: May 03, 2017, 11:53:43 PM »
Took on Aldrich the Deep. Good fight. Kept getting wrecked by his arrow rains after the fire stage, they'd go on for a loooong time and I'd run out of endurance or get smacked by a giant soul arrow while running. Finally beat him when I noticed that if I just rush him head on everytime and stick in his face he doesn't seem to do the arrow rain as much since he'll try to swipe you. Got lucky and he didn't do a single arrow rain so I was able to beat him.

The outside of Anor Londo seems a little wierd in terms of matching up with the architecture from DS1. Yeah there's stuff the same like the spiral staircase but otherwise it feels like almost everything outside the castle seems different.

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« Reply #157 on: May 04, 2017, 01:45:04 AM »
Took on Aldrich the Deep. Good fight. Kept getting wrecked by his arrow rains after the fire stage, they'd go on for a loooong time and I'd run out of endurance or get smacked by a giant soul arrow while running. Finally beat him when I noticed that if I just rush him head on everytime and stick in his face he doesn't seem to do the arrow rain as much since he'll try to swipe you. Got lucky and he didn't do a single arrow rain so I was able to beat him.

The outside of Anor Londo seems a little wierd in terms of matching up with the architecture from DS1. Yeah there's stuff the same like the spiral staircase but otherwise it feels like almost everything outside the castle seems different.

That's because we're all on the Darkest (Souls) Timeline now.

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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #158 on: May 10, 2017, 04:38:38 PM »
"Lothric, where the lands of the lords converge"

It's meant quite literally.

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« Reply #159 on: May 24, 2017, 10:37:48 PM »
Got to the final boss and jumped into DLC1, was just ok, needed more bosses or more interesting location. But that final boss Sister Friede, fuuuuuuck what a fight. Pretty epic stuff and hard as hell. Reminded me of the Maria fight in the Bloodborne Old Hunters.

Started DLC2 The Ringed City and it's fucking bullshit all the fucking time. First with those angels, and casters, then the first boss has 2 enemies and 3 fucking forms wtffffffff, then I get into the Ringed City and there's this arrow bullshit mini-game. At the bonfire past that and yeah I get the feeling this whole DLC is going to be nothing but fuck since it's the last piece of Souls. :|

Fwiw, I still need to beat the Nameless King after I finish DLC2 but before I fight the last story boss and beat the game. I tried him once and was like nope, so saving that until after the DLCs as the last thing I do before the final boss.

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« Reply #160 on: May 25, 2017, 01:56:23 AM »
NK's not so bad. The main problem is the FromSoft Shit Boss-Camera®

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« Reply #161 on: May 25, 2017, 03:00:12 AM »
Yeah, beat DLC2 and took down NK tonight. Well, DLC2 outside of Darkeater Midir, so that's the only thing left for me before taking on the main story final boss. Tried a couple of times and got destroyed, but will try again a few more times tomorrow.

The final boss of DLC2 Slave Knight Gael was a pretty good fight, but overall didn't like Ringed City much, the stage was just way too annoying and it's the only part of the game I just ran through most of it after dying a bunch instead of exploring it slowly fighting everything. Never ended up killing the two handed greatsword ringed knight before the PvP boss, dude kept killing me so I ran past him and killed the PvP boss. I like the DLC stages in DS1 (Lost City) and DS2 (Fume Knight Tower and Underground Dragon Temple, but not Frozen Elysium) better than the 2 DLC stages here in DS3, but both DLCs in DS3 had some good boss fights with Friede/Demon Prince/Gael. Friede is probably one of the top5 DS boss fights, if not the best one yet.

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« Reply #162 on: May 25, 2017, 04:49:44 PM »
Well, I'm better at PvP but still only win about 1/3rd of the time. My build is really big and slow with executioners greatsword and like 40 END/46 STR (40+ring that gives +6)/~26 VIT and 32 VIGOR (SL 102 or something) with Exile armor set so I'm at like 90% weight. It's fine for PvE which is all I care about, well it was fine until some of this endgame stuff where the slowness is making things a bit tough like Slave Knight Gael or Friede or Midir, but it sucks for PvP as people dodge roll my slashes and then counter me.

The Spear of the Church boss in DLC2 that was PvP at first was giving me a lot of grief because of this. Not only PvP but PvP + additional gank enemies. Luckily on 3rd attempt I got a got who sucked so killed him in like 4 swings.

I have to say out of De/DS1-3/BB, I like my build the least in this game. In the other games I had much more fun builds that were also powerhouses. I mean I could respec and I have so many chunks/slabs I can buff other stuff to +10 but not sure what alternative builds would be as high damage powerhouse in PvE and more agile.

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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #163 on: May 26, 2017, 03:33:06 AM »
Spent 2.5 hours on fucking bullshit Darkeater Midir, tried a bunch both solo and some coop. Got him down to 1 or 2 hits a couple of times. Was just about to give up permenantly when I had a good run and beat him:

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Once you REALLY have the hang of him, you can do it in your sleep outside some dumb RNG since you just need to hang in front of his head ALL THE TIME so you can lure out his 3-5 different attacks and then dodge them all and hit him a couple of times. But his HP is so big and the range of his attacks and sometimes randomness and that he kills you in 3 hits is annoying. He's basically Ancient Dragon and Slumbering Poison Dragon in DS2 DLC1 all over again. Eh.

So then I'm like, I beat crazy ass Friede with 3 lifebars, Demon Prince with 2 enemies/3 life bars, Gael the motherfucking DMCxBB king, and Darkeater Midir. Time to go fight the final main story boss, this is gonna be a joke compared to all that stuff.

...fucking Lord of Cinder jesus bullshit fuck fuck fuck. Another PvP-like fight except it's PvP against a god-mode all the moves, super speed, huge range guy. Really annoying with my slow ass character, which btw to beat Midir I basically went near-naked to get under 70% and stuck with that for Cinder cause in the end roll >>> everything. Still the problem is my huge sword is slow to swing so from hitting the attack button until the attack hits takes a while which constantly fucks me in DS3 because of how fast these PvP bosses move. After dying A LOT and barely making it to lifebar 2 a couple of times, I dodged his dumbass lightning strikes and countered over and over and killed him. I was expecting a lifebar 3 since I heard he becomes Gwyn and I thought there'd be some visual change to turn into Gwyn, so I was pretty annoyed I kept dying on stage 1&2, but then he just died like nothing and I guess the 2nd lifebar of him getting some lightning moves is the Gwyn phase? Couldn't really tell.

So then there's like a 5 second ending and that's it? Also the DLCs don't have endings? Like after Painted World Friede fight nothing happened besides some new dialogue with the painter lady? Then after DLC2 and Gael you take the blood back to the painter lady and you get a new line of dialogue or two and that's it? Like for being the final Dark Souls game and all the epic YOU HAVE TO LINK THE FIRES business, there doesn't seem to be much of an ending to the game?

Idk, I got the Usurp the Fire ending, so I'll go and watch the other ones now.

Overall DS3 was a fun game that was hard to put down. There was good exploration, some cool boss fights, but eh, I think it's got just as much bullshit as DS2 and a way worse story.  I felt like DS1 & 2 and even BB were these elaborate tales of fully standalone worlds and their stories, here it feels like everything is a mishmash of these different mini-worlds and there's some good parts but it feels like it's trying too hard to be a conclusion to the series vs an interesting original story. I read a review that said a lot of DS3 feels like a rehash of previous souls games, and that after doing hundreds of boss fights they're running out of ideas. I kinda agree, I felt by the end that a lot of the bosses were just bosses I fought before in Souls. I liked some of the more original fights like Wolnir Grim Reaper King.

Also the game feels like it took a bunch from Bloodborne, but it doesn't feel BB at all imo. The enemies move much faster and there's more PvP type stuff, but I don't feel like your character has the agility or moveset of BB to match up with that, so it's a bit bullshit. One thing I like that they took from BB was more talking dialogue bosses, like the Consumed King or Friede Battle. I think it adds a lot. 

The areas overall were not that memorable for me. Ithyril Valley was probably the standout since its icy illusion look was very cool, especially coming out of the catacombs.

Two things I was kinda hoping for, but didn't happen were 1) When the first boss had BEAST MODE at his halfway point, I thought that was gonna be the gimmick for DS3, to be like BB where bosses turn from PvP type fights into giant monster fights, but that never happened and was just the two Champion fights and 2) Considering how this is the pulling everything together finale, I was really hoping for more of the Fampt/Kathe serpents from DS1 since they were kind of the ones pulling the strings behind the entire thing. But you just get a name drop from Yuria and some statues in DLC2. Would've been cool if they were more involved and maybe a boss fight against a serpent would've been interesting.

Eh, well I'll go read the lore over the next few days and watch the other endings. Maybe it'll increase my opinion, but right now I feel like BB=DS1>DS2>DeSoul>DS3.

*edit* watched the rest of the endings. Man these endings are terrible. DS3 definitely is a huge step back storywise from all the other Souls games. That really sucks :| 
« Last Edit: May 26, 2017, 03:58:42 AM by Bebpo »

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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #164 on: May 26, 2017, 03:59:25 PM »

So then there's like a 5 second ending and that's it? Also the DLCs don't have endings?


Are you new to soulsborne games?

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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #165 on: May 26, 2017, 06:32:43 PM »
I remember the other ones having better endings. Or maybe they just had a better sense of ending going into the final battle that the story was done by that point (BB). Dark Souls 1 had some good endings and I thought the Aldia ending in SoTFs in DS2 was pretty good too.

So I'm still reading through lore summaries but idk it feels like DS3 really dropped the ball on the main plot. The DLC1+2 story with Gael is cool and probably more interesting than the main DS3 plot.

I mean here's the thing:

DS1 w/DLC - Amazing 1000s year story and lore of the age of ancients, the first flame, the furitive pygmy, the story of Oacille (sp?) and the reawakening of the pygmy/magnus, the story of Artorias and Sef the abyss walkers, the story of Gwyns age of Fire, of Seath the Scaleless, of Gwyns children, then fading of the flame and Izayths attempt to rekindle the flame creating chaos and demons, the story of the 4 Kings of Londo and over Serpent Kaathe pushing the age of dark and corrupting the kings and creating the darkwraiths to steal humanity and gather the dark souls, the start of the undead curse, etc... there is so much there and it's so original and interesting. Easily one of the best game stories of all time imo.

DS2 w/DLC - Very interesting story of Lordric, the pieces of manus' soul/daughters of manus, that found Vendrick and corrupted him, the conquest of the giants and their return and ruin of the kingdom (the giant flashbacks were really neat), Aldia's revival of the almost extinct race of dragons in his search to escape the cycle of linking the flame. The sunken city that worshiped the remaining dragon and the dragon knights from there, the story of the fume knight. There's a lot of good interesting things in there. The dialogues with what remains of Venderick and his optional boss is fantastic, as are the various connections to DS1. But it was the idea of how the dark from Magnus, the original pygmy spread across these centuries to these lands.

DS3 w/DLC - Uh, we gotta light the fire again, but this time it takes more power, so go find the 5 lords of cinder that lit the fire in the past and get their flame, then go fight the souls of those who lit the flame (Lord of Cinder) and light it or don't or keep it, the end. Like the lore is more the backgrounds of these 5 lords of cinder. Some of which like Yhorm have like 3-4 paragraphs total. Aldrich has a ton, but at the end of the day it's a ton of lore wasted on a story of a priest that started eating people from the undead village, lit the fire forcefully at some point, saw a vision of probably the age of dark and started eating gods including darksun gwyndolen. Oh and he was assisted by Pontif Sullyvan who was a sorcery or something and found the profane flame in the profane capital, got strong and started taking over the undead world as the new king. You have the abyss watchers who sealed that all off in the catacombs and protected against the spread of the dark/abyss, and the lord of lothric who watched the flame fade. It's alright, but for some reason the game being a bunch of mini-stories doesn't really click with me because it leaves a near empty main story, which being the final DS game I wanted more substantial main story than go find the 5 and then light the flame and that's it. I thought the most interesting thing was untended graves/alternate versions of the firelink shrine which gives the birth of one theory (the one I like) that lothric is in a different dimension than the firelink shrine. That the firelink shrine where Luduth the Exile is and the Firekeeper is, is a place out of time and you warp to the remenants of Lothric after the fire faded because prince lothric was not willing to light the flame and therefore you have the unlit firelink shrine. That's pretty interesting and so yeah the world has solid lore, and Gael's story of looking for dark soul blood paint and then taking the dark soul in himself to bleed and provide the paint was interesting. But again, this is all window dressing, and you go, kill the lords, kill the lord of cinder, light the flame or not, the end for the series. I wanted more out of the main plot.

BB's plot was super good like DS1, the hundreds of years of history of unearthing Erebites in the chalice dungeons, the diverging of the schools (old blood consumption or not), the way people would see beyond with insight, and then the eclipse and being able to see beyond and Rom, and the Alma~~~, the hunter's dream, etc... it's been enough years I don't remember all the details now, but it's up there with DS1 as one of the best game stories out there.

Anyhow, hopefully when BB2 gets announced it'll have a good tale too.

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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #166 on: May 26, 2017, 07:14:56 PM »
Ok, I was taking a walk and it hit me how to put it into words re: DS3 lore/story.

DS3's lore, as described above, is fine on its own. It tells tales of Lords and Kingdoms, betrayals, love and the grotesque, of knights and duties and princesses and dragons, all within the cycle of the light and dark that continues infinitely, and in every dimension (aka the drag heap, all worlds come together at the end of the age of fire), in the dark souls universe.

What DS3 doesn't particularly do, is add much at all to the DS universal lore. It doesn't really expand and give new/more information on the furtive pygmy and the first flame (besides that Gwyn gave them the Ring City and his daughter), it doesn't expand on the dragons, doesn't expand on the serpents, it doesn't expand on manus or all that much on the dark soul besides that it spreads along with the abyss, which we knew. So it doesn't really expand on the great past/origin elements. But it also doesn't really expand on the present/future elements either besides the multi-dimensional theory stuff and that Anor Londo fell to ruin and Dark Sun Gwyndolen got eaten while dreaming of Priscella. And it sure doesn't add to the lore by giving it any sort of finality or conclusion. In the end the cycle will continue forever and nothing you do ever matters. The end.

So, in the end DS3 tells another Dark Souls outing of the rise and fall of lords and kingdoms within the cycle of light & dark, but that's about all it does. It's just as standalone, if not more imo as DS2, and for a final last Dark Souls game maybe it would've been nice to have something more substantial than just another story of kingdoms corrupted by darkness and gone to ruin and you come later and light the flame. It could've been more imo and that's why the plot/lore/ending of DS3 is disappointing.

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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #167 on: May 27, 2017, 12:34:27 AM »
Yeah I think the lore can be off-putting because people had high expectations, being the last DS and all. They were also a bit stuck by the fact that obviously, DLC will be made, so they couldn't really make DS3 stand on its own and give you all the bits of story left. And in the same way, they couldn't lock the "true" ending behind DLC.
Which would never happen anyway, because Miyazaki gonna Miyazaki.

But I think in some ways, it thematically makes sense. DS3 is about the last remnants of a few fallen kindgom, pulled together at the end of times.

The major issue for me was Sulyvahn. He's built up as THE villain of this time, and his back story is actually pretty interesting, but you just meet him like halfway through the game and unceremoniously get rid of him like a random optional boss or something. That was weird.

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Re: Dark Souls 3
« Reply #168 on: May 27, 2017, 06:09:16 PM »
Friede is fucking crazy, but the saving grace imo is that her scythe swing is a littler slower and easier to dodge counter. I would rarely get hit rolling towards her through her swings. Like Lord of Cinder is way harder imo because his constant attack speed so finding openings is a pain. What makes Friede sorta harder is just having 3 fricken lifebars and extremely high damage.

Gael is sorta inbetween, a little quicker than Friede but only 1.5 lifebars but even higher damage hitting.

Idk, I thought both those fights were at least fair. Lord of Cinder feels like bullshit to me. Really disliked that fight even more than Midir. Midir without the huuuuge HP and with the checkpoints a little closer would be fine.