VOAT Containment Megathread of Trash People for Trash People

[stufte]

Man, just saw all the replies to my post a few pages ago.

No conservative ever got banned just for being a conservative. No Bernie Bro ever got banned for supporting Bernie. When it comes to politics, people get banned for shitty posts or deplorable opinions. A lot of Trump voters got the axe because they eventually outed themselves as deplorables. A few Bernie Bros got the axe for posting walls of verbal vomit and complete insanity.

As for why PoliGAF is jaded... does it really need to be explained? Look what just happened a month ago.

Sure no one ever got banned (that I know of) for merely existing on the site as a conservative. Sanders supporters weren't banned just because they supported their candidate, but when people get banned for disagreeing with the method of which the BLM protesters took over the Sanders rally early in the election, well... what are people supposed to think?

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324791

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226531369&postcount=25

The thing is that he doesn't listen to these more broad rationalizations, he wants specific details about what we think Russia would do if they are indeed influencing Trump and his cabinet.

Wow how terrible, he's asking that you actually make your case !?
I mean, OP's dad is maybe dim-witted, fine with with some despotism (at least from afar) or unreasonable but most Gaffers advice on first page is either guilt him with extreme slippery slope comparisons or gotcha questions when it's not clear that OP really argued his opinion very deep at all.

Just ask back, if they would allow any other country to influence politics. Bonus points for using China or a Muslim country.

Not sure an Indonesian would get freaked at the mention of a MUSLIM COUNTRY.

Mariolee, ask your dad what the point was of August 17th, 1945. For real, ask him that question and then ask him why people die so things can be signed that day.

Did you explain that the US fought a bloody revolution several hundred years ago to not be in a situation where another country was in charge?

Guys I know Trump is terrible but you're not colonized by Russia yet...

He says Russia has nothing to do with Syria. It's all the U.S.'s fault.

Just reference Ukraine, then. Can't deflect that blame.

...and they're not in the same dynamic as those examples either.

How about they're moving the needle closer to an absolute monarchy, which happens to be the right's endgame.

 

Why not then use a historical example of the Manchurian Candidate and what they did? Because this is pretty much that.

[etiolate]

The way it worked Jack is that showing a non-liberal or wrongthink view gets you put on a list. Whenever you impinge on some rule in any way, you get banned for being on that list. Meanwhile, showcasing certain "right" opinions means you get to sidestep various rules over and over. Still, there's cases where no rule is violated but a wrong think is espoused and a banning occurs.

The enforcement of rules on the forum has largely been arbitrary for the entire history of the forum.

FWIW, if you want an actual example then I was perma'd for disagreeing with a forum policy and pointing out that it leads to more terrible thread production. I disagreed directly in response to Tyler and I pointed out how people view the forum in real life. I didn't violate a rule except the unspoken rule of don't disagree with the admin.

[benjipwns]

As for why PoliGAF is jaded... does it really need to be explained? Look what just happened a month ago.

The people spoke.

Democracy, whiskey, sexy!

[benjipwns]

Why not then use a historical example of the Manchurian Candidate and what they did? Because this is pretty much that.

I assume by historical, he means the superior 1962 "history reel" rather than the fictional 2004 film.

[Stro]

The way it worked Jack is that showing a non-liberal or wrongthink view gets you put on a list. Whenever you impinge on some rule in any way, you get banned for being on that list. Meanwhile, showcasing certain "right" opinions means you get to sidestep various rules over and over. Still, there's cases where no rule is violated but a wrong think is espoused and a banning occurs.

The enforcement of rules on the forum has largely been arbitrary for the entire history of the forum.

FWIW, if you want an actual example then I was perma'd for disagreeing with a forum policy and pointing out that it leads to more terrible thread production. I disagreed directly in response to Tyler and I pointed out how people view the forum in real life. I didn't violate a rule except the unspoken rule of don't disagree with the admin.

They really need to add "hiveminding" to the TOS, because more people get popped for daring to suggest monolithic opinions on GAF than anything else, yet there is nothing at all saying anything like that will get you banned. And it only gets you banned when it is something that doesn't make GAF look good. As if saying something like "GAF kind of sucks at showering" will make GAF look any different to random people who have never heard of it and will never visit it.

[FStop7]

Are we strictly talking about bans for political reasons or are there outright denials of bullshit bans on the whole?  Because if it's the latter then someone needs to go read up about what happened to Anti-Monitor.

[railGUN]

I caught a ban once, for replying to someone who had suggested the size of the thread (that we were posting in) meant that the subject matter was important.

I pointed out to said person, that the reason the thread was so big, was because they, and 1 other person's posts constituted 30% of the entire thread. They literally replied to any and all dissenting opinion, and to any and every agreeing opinion.

I was banned for "meta-commentary". I had broken a rule that didn't exist.

Oh, the person who brought up said suggestion, starting this meta-commentary in the first place, was...

wait for it...

... not banned.

That was my 2nd ban in 10 years. My next was a perm 

[thisismyusername]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226544559&postcount=4

T-T-TRIGGERED.

[Raist]

hmmmm...this thread does come off as voat-lite sometimes brehs 

That's been a more recent trend.  Still SMH at that "black people = apes" post from Dennis4K.  Never really expected to see that shit here.

Well technically that's not wrong.

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We're all apes.

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And also monkeys.

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Come at me.

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[thisismyusername]

No one ever got banned for dissenting (non-bigoted) political viewpoints on GAF.

(You, now)

The BLM thing is a valid point. I always said if you're in a thread where Slayven or royalan are disagreeing with you, just drop the argument and run.

Isn't that "dissenting viewpoints?"

[FStop7]

Interesting.  Rather than just slagging off Jack Remington people are engaging with him and he has responded in kind.

Constructive dialogues work.

[zomgee]

mods help

[Dennis]

Ever since Bish was demodded, the level of discourse in the OT feel more open. I'm seeing less bans for posters that goes against the popular opinion. Make me think if 'Lore sent down an order for the mods to stop being so ban happy and Bish disagreed with that new direction hence he no longer a mod.

I..is this my time?

Has my time come?

LOL Kagari

I'll never forget that FF13 meltdown. wish I could find it

I never had a problem with Kagari. I am fine with people being obsessed with some game franchise or whatever. It is a nerd forum.

[Let's Cyber]

As for why PoliGAF is jaded... does it really need to be explained? Look what just happened a month ago.

Given how they treated posters outside of their community the last 2 years, they really needed to be right this election.  Not only did they need to be right, they needed to actually practice what they preached to not look like hypocrites. Don't pretend to be the evenhanded adults in the room preaching slow, methodical change through many years of hard work and compromise only to immediately bail out after one lost presidency. If you're going to condemn hero worship, don't turn around and do it yourself.  Don't proclaim yourselves the only logical ones and claim to value rationality only to double down when proven wrong and start chugging more kool-aid. There is very little self-reflection from the regulars in that thread.

There are posters in OT that didn't look like jackasses this election. Soul Creator came out the other end looking impartial and rational in the political threads these past 18 months or so.  I can't really say the same for just about most of the cheerleading regs from PoliGAF.  That benji Trump thread is a fucking SLAUGHTER . Seriously.  Start at page one. 

They played the smug, condescending asshole card time after time because they trusted they would win.  They didn't.  Credibility gone.

[Joe Molotov]

Why not then use a historical example of the Manchurian Candidate and what they did? Because this is pretty much that.

I assume by historical, he means the superior 1962 "history reel" rather than the fictional 2004 film.

Angela Lansbury, yaaassssss queen!

[james]

Neogaf was for a long time, and still is to a certain extent the online face of our industry and its fans

Receipts plz

GAF used to be the place where you could go to get an insight about what fans thought about your games and actually interact with them outside of the community manager led publisher forums. People in the industry used to point at GAF as a place to pay attention to, where fans could often get early info about their favorite titles. It's the biggest video game message board on the internet, and to that extent it has a large influence, an influence it doesn't deserve any more.

Except GAF is a joke now, so I'm not sure why you can't:



(And I say that with respect)

/And yes, I did read your reply: Still...

why are all these people who joined in the last 18 months overwhelmingly giant whiny babies?

Wait, when did I register again? *check*

I'm safe from your wrath.
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More seriously though: GAF's moderation has ALWAYS been a joke. There's no defending it. "Good Moderators now" or not.

Thanks for getting that song re-stuck in my head ya cunt.

This is good.

This is damn good

[Your Stalker]

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/today-i-met-a-man-that-wasnt-sure-if-he-was-chinese.492820/

[thisismyusername]

No one ever got banned for dissenting (non-bigoted) political viewpoints on GAF.

(You, now)

The BLM thing is a valid point. I always said if you're in a thread where Slayven or royalan are disagreeing with you, just drop the argument and run.

Isn't that "dissenting viewpoints?"

I guess I overstated things a bit.

I mean, I'm just pointing out the flaw in your earlier statement. You can't say that and then go "oh well if you disagree with these posters then you better drop the conversation or be banned." You can't say with a straight-face nobody hasn't been banned for "wrong-think" because your example users proved that point wrong. Hence our "triggered" response.

[Steve Youngblood]

Didnt Steve Youngblood outright admited that the moderation was lacking?

I doubt it. At various points I've tried to point out that moderators are merely volunteers who aren't paid and aren't doing this full time. But whether I agree with every decision made or not I tend to think everyone on the team is operating in good faith and tying to do what they can when they can. I don't blame users when they get upset with us making calls they don't agree with. After all, it's just as much if not more their site than it is our's. It's not like people are registering to the site to watch me put on a moderation clinic. But still, I'd never throw another mod under the bus and proclaim they're doing a bad job. Nobody doing this shit for free deserves that.

[daemon]

No one ever got banned for dissenting (non-bigoted) political viewpoints on GAF.

(You, now)

The BLM thing is a valid point. I always said if you're in a thread where Slayven or royalan are disagreeing with you, just drop the argument and run.

Isn't that "dissenting viewpoints?"

I guess I overstated things a bit.

I mean, I'm just pointing out the flaw in your earlier statement. You can't say that and then go "oh well if you disagree with these posters then you better drop the conversation or be banned." You can't say with a straight-face nobody hasn't been banned for "wrong-think" because your example users proved that point wrong. Hence our "triggered" response.

Plus besada PMs

[helios]

Speaking of moderation

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226558040&postcount=668

I can explain this to you. The ban you were banned for and complaining about was a bad ban, which is why on review it was overturned and why it's not in your ban file. Besides that, I looked into all 7 of your other bans, and all of them were totally reasonable, and all for losing your temper when arguing with people:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87953311&postcount=65 <-- You calling someone a moron
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98221658&postcount=155 <-- You insulting a member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100370849&postcount=58 <-- You causing a derail after losing your temper in an argument.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116150210&postcount=366 <-- You saying fuck you to a poster who disagreed with you
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161602345&postcount=74 <-- You at the tail end of trying to derail a thread about Baltimore protests by claiming anyone who supports the protests are tacitly approving vandalism
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173897517&postcount=86 <-- You having a lengthy slap fight with Ishida
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197076670&postcount=5924 <-- You in an argument with someone about an awards show

You need to stop losing your temper and being rude to people every time you disagree with them. Most of your bans are an argument being escalated by you by having to make a comeback or one-up the person you're arguing with. You're like a guy walking into a rake repeatedly. You are not someone who has the reputation of "trying to be reasonable".

Moderation is difficult and we definitely make some bad calls sometimes, but if you are really having difficulty understanding why you keep getting banned, I don't know what to tell you. As we note in the terms of service, the proper way to raise complaints about moderation is to talk to moderation, not to try to get a re-trial on all your bans publicly while dragging around sour grapes.

[Dennis]

Speaking of moderation

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226558040&postcount=668

I can explain this to you. The ban you were banned for and complaining about was a bad ban, which is why on review it was overturned and why it's not in your ban file. Besides that, I looked into all 7 of your other bans, and all of them were totally reasonable, and all for losing your temper when arguing with people:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87953311&postcount=65 <-- You calling someone a moron
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98221658&postcount=155 <-- You insulting a member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100370849&postcount=58 <-- You causing a derail after losing your temper in an argument.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116150210&postcount=366 <-- You saying fuck you to a poster who disagreed with you
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161602345&postcount=74 <-- You at the tail end of trying to derail a thread about Baltimore protests by claiming anyone who supports the protests are tacitly approving vandalism
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173897517&postcount=86 <-- You having a lengthy slap fight with Ishida
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197076670&postcount=5924 <-- You in an argument with someone about an awards show

You need to stop losing your temper and being rude to people every time you disagree with them. Most of your bans are an argument being escalated by you by having to make a comeback or one-up the person you're arguing with. You're like a guy walking into a rake repeatedly. You are not someone who has the reputation of "trying to be reasonable".

Moderation is difficult and we definitely make some bad calls sometimes, but if you are really having difficulty understanding why you keep getting banned, I don't know what to tell you. As we note in the terms of service, the proper way to raise complaints about moderation is to talk to moderation, not to try to get a re-trial on all your bans publicly while dragging around sour grapes.

I would love for a mod to post by ban history on GAF like that because honestly I can't remember the reason for most of my bans anymore.

Just that they were all grossly unfair.

[clothedmacuser]

Not about being a victim. As the poster I quoted said, we are not guaranteed accounts here. Anyone can be banned for any reason, that's the terms of the site. Which we accept. But why put a big target on our backs? Especially at a time when saying something like 'you know..I get what he means about..' made you instantly a racist or sexist or whatever. It's just not worth it to lose access to a community for a few random posts. Which is why I'm glad that poster explained it to people in this thread. Because even if I'm not participatitng, I'm reading all these threads and do have thoughts on the topics.

The administrator and owner of the site said point blank nobody would be banned for having a differing political view from somebody else.

You get banned if you cross a line and say something derogatory.

Note that there have been multiple threads today with people who have said they voted for Trump posting in them and none of them got banned

When did this ever happen?

The infamous "you get ban from gaf for being right wing".

Never fails

Unless the "about" was something "racist or sexist or whatever," then this did not happen.

As someone who has (rightfully) been banned 6 times now.

Moderation here is fine.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=226555441#post226555441


My views are always promoted therefore the moderation is faire.

[clothedmacuser]

Speaking of moderation

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226558040&postcount=668

I can explain this to you. The ban you were banned for and complaining about was a bad ban, which is why on review it was overturned and why it's not in your ban file. Besides that, I looked into all 7 of your other bans, and all of them were totally reasonable, and all for losing your temper when arguing with people:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87953311&postcount=65 <-- You calling someone a moron
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98221658&postcount=155 <-- You insulting a member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100370849&postcount=58 <-- You causing a derail after losing your temper in an argument.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116150210&postcount=366 <-- You saying fuck you to a poster who disagreed with you
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161602345&postcount=74 <-- You at the tail end of trying to derail a thread about Baltimore protests by claiming anyone who supports the protests are tacitly approving vandalism
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173897517&postcount=86 <-- You having a lengthy slap fight with Ishida
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197076670&postcount=5924 <-- You in an argument with someone about an awards show

You need to stop losing your temper and being rude to people every time you disagree with them. Most of your bans are an argument being escalated by you by having to make a comeback or one-up the person you're arguing with. You're like a guy walking into a rake repeatedly. You are not someone who has the reputation of "trying to be reasonable".

Moderation is difficult and we definitely make some bad calls sometimes, but if you are really having difficulty understanding why you keep getting banned, I don't know what to tell you. As we note in the terms of service, the proper way to raise complaints about moderation is to talk to moderation, not to try to get a re-trial on all your bans publicly while dragging around sour grapes.

That thread is good because it's full of members openly acknowledging how fucked the moderation is.  Oh, and Amirox got banned.

[railGUN]

Didnt Steve Youngblood outright admited that the moderation was lacking?

I doubt it. At various points I've tried to point out that moderators are merely volunteers who aren't paid and aren't doing this full time. But whether I agree with every decision made or not I tend to think everyone on the team is operating in good faith and tying to do what they can when they can. I don't blame users when they get upset with us making calls they don't agree with. After all, it's just as much if not more their site than it is our's. It's not like people are registering to the site to watch me put on a moderation clinic. But still, I'd never throw another mod under the bus and proclaim they're doing a bad job. Nobody doing this shit for free deserves that.

Why tho??? Why do you volunteer when the site was (is?) a highly profitable endeavor? I would love to know why you, or anyone volunteers for a for-profit corporation, especially when all your doing is moderating videgame nerds. WHY?>??> And now NeoGAF is legitimately bad for the internet, spreading malware. FUCKING WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY???

[Rufus]

He likes the place and wants to help out by being a janitor?

[Optimus]

Man, just saw all the replies to my post a few pages ago.

No conservative ever got banned just for being a conservative. No Bernie Bro ever got banned for supporting Bernie. When it comes to politics, people get banned for shitty posts or deplorable opinions. A lot of Trump voters got the axe because they eventually outed themselves as deplorables. A few Bernie Bros got the axe for posting walls of verbal vomit and complete insanity.

As for why PoliGAF is jaded... does it really need to be explained? Look what just happened a month ago.

This is all factually incorrect. Either you're delusional or you're fucking with us. I have personally been banned I don't even know how many times for arguing with evidence against distinguished mentally-challenged SJW/feminist academic pseudoscience.

[zomgee]

 

[Stro]

Man, just saw all the replies to my post a few pages ago.

No conservative ever got banned just for being a conservative. No Bernie Bro ever got banned for supporting Bernie. When it comes to politics, people get banned for shitty posts or deplorable opinions. A lot of Trump voters got the axe because they eventually outed themselves as deplorables. A few Bernie Bros got the axe for posting walls of verbal vomit and complete insanity.

As for why PoliGAF is jaded... does it really need to be explained? Look what just happened a month ago.

This is all factually incorrect. Either you're delusional or you're fucking with us. I have personally been banned I don't even know how many times for arguing with evidence against distinguished mentally-challenged SJW/feminist academic pseudoscience.

Did you call anyone delusional or distinguished mentally-challenged during those discussions tho?

 

[Cindi Mayweather]

Speaking of moderation

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226558040&postcount=668

I can explain this to you. The ban you were banned for and complaining about was a bad ban, which is why on review it was overturned and why it's not in your ban file. Besides that, I looked into all 7 of your other bans, and all of them were totally reasonable, and all for losing your temper when arguing with people:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87953311&postcount=65 <-- You calling someone a moron
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=98221658&postcount=155 <-- You insulting a member
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=100370849&postcount=58 <-- You causing a derail after losing your temper in an argument.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=116150210&postcount=366 <-- You saying fuck you to a poster who disagreed with you
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=161602345&postcount=74 <-- You at the tail end of trying to derail a thread about Baltimore protests by claiming anyone who supports the protests are tacitly approving vandalism
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=173897517&postcount=86 <-- You having a lengthy slap fight with Ishida
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197076670&postcount=5924 <-- You in an argument with someone about an awards show

You need to stop losing your temper and being rude to people every time you disagree with them. Most of your bans are an argument being escalated by you by having to make a comeback or one-up the person you're arguing with. You're like a guy walking into a rake repeatedly. You are not someone who has the reputation of "trying to be reasonable".

Moderation is difficult and we definitely make some bad calls sometimes, but if you are really having difficulty understanding why you keep getting banned, I don't know what to tell you. As we note in the terms of service, the proper way to raise complaints about moderation is to talk to moderation, not to try to get a re-trial on all your bans publicly while dragging around sour grapes.

i'm telling you stump.

making this shit public so people can see why they were banned in one single page just like you can so they connect the dots is pretty important. People take bans as isolated incidents rather than connecting their posting history as to why they were banned. You guys should give that a shot. there's no reason information you posted in that post is available only to staff. making bans more transparent would do far more towards communicating why people are banned with half as much handholding and effort and hair pulling that you guys do such as you in that post.

just my 2c as a gaf vet that could make the forum better and get the monkey off your back.

[Optimus]

Man, just saw all the replies to my post a few pages ago.

No conservative ever got banned just for being a conservative. No Bernie Bro ever got banned for supporting Bernie. When it comes to politics, people get banned for shitty posts or deplorable opinions. A lot of Trump voters got the axe because they eventually outed themselves as deplorables. A few Bernie Bros got the axe for posting walls of verbal vomit and complete insanity.

As for why PoliGAF is jaded... does it really need to be explained? Look what just happened a month ago.

This is all factually incorrect. Either you're delusional or you're fucking with us. I have personally been banned I don't even know how many times for arguing with evidence against distinguished mentally-challenged SJW/feminist academic pseudoscience.

Did you call anyone delusional or distinguished mentally-challenged during those discussions tho?

 

No, despite the fact that the members I argued with were being assholes. I knew the dipshits were just looking for a reason to ban me.

[bluemax]

Didnt Steve Youngblood outright admited that the moderation was lacking?

I doubt it. At various points I've tried to point out that moderators are merely volunteers who aren't paid and aren't doing this full time. But whether I agree with every decision made or not I tend to think everyone on the team is operating in good faith and tying to do what they can when they can. I don't blame users when they get upset with us making calls they don't agree with. After all, it's just as much if not more their site than it is our's. It's not like people are registering to the site to watch me put on a moderation clinic. But still, I'd never throw another mod under the bus and proclaim they're doing a bad job. Nobody doing this shit for free deserves that.

Why tho??? Why do you volunteer when the site was (is?) a highly profitable endeavor? I would love to know why you, or anyone volunteers for a for-profit corporation, especially when all your doing is moderating videgame nerds. WHY?>??> And now NeoGAF is legitimately bad for the internet, spreading malware. FUCKING WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY???

Volunteer to take abuse while the owner is off living the "surreal" life, brehs.

think neogaf dot com represents the videogames industry, brehs

The most recent experience I had with someone in the games industry (beside myself) and GAF, I was at a programmer conference and saw the lead programmer from a prominent studio reading something on GAF on his phone, laugh, show it to a coworker who also laughed.

Maybe it was legit funny, but I want to believe they were mocking it.

[FStop7]

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=226563064

Subpar Spatula finally gone.  Fuck that bitch.

[Nola]

Welp, looks like I just got permed lol.

.....For taking a strong stand arguing that it is liberal hypocrisy of the highest order to welcome harm on the family members of those that voted for Trump.

Or questioning the logic(and defending myself for doing so) of those championing indifference to the families and loved ones who will be harmed by their parents or relatives voting choices.


I guess that is my hill lol.

[Optimus]

Welp, looks like I just got permed lol.

.....For taking a strong stand arguing that it is liberal hypocrisy of the highest order to welcome harm on the family members of those that voted for Trump.

Or questioning the logic(and defending myself for doing so) of those championing indifference to the families and loved ones who will be harmed by their parents or relatives voting choices.


I guess that is my hill lol.

You were concern trolling. You were trolling by asking these lunatics not to wish harm to people who voted for Trump. Plus I don't believe you, people itt just a few hours ago told me that neogaf mods don't ban people for wrongthink.

[clothedmacuser]

As for NeoGAF, it's not that I'm scared, I just don't care to discuss politics in Hillary's safe haven.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226564875&postcount=870

where is the ideal place to discuss politics?

"Hillary's safe haven."

Well, that's adorable.

You don't think you can explain your position without resorting to bigotry?

Don't think that is where they were going with that. It came up earlier that some feared being banned for being pro Trump and not expressing pro Hillary sentiment, and the TOS was produced to alleviate that... anxiety.

Lol, the Tos, which even mods admit they don't follow is going to protect posters.

[Faction]

I think, with the pressure to make a lot of bans having seemed to have let up recently, I actually wouldn't mind being a mod now if I was wanted. I always hated the thought of banning someone who was being completely civil.

As for the 'moderation sucks' topic, I think Gaf does okay, but like I said, I disliked people being banned when they weren't actually being assholes. Heck, most of the time I was disappointed if someone I was having a heated discussion with was banned unless they crossed the line.

[railGUN]

Wow. So who else holds this opinion? That every Trump supporter has to be racists and Islamophobic because it's all "one and the same and they can't cherry pick."

We heard from you but I would like to hear from others. If you want to think this, that's your opinion. I'm just curious if this is a general thought process on GAF? I followed this place strongly during the Primaries and general election (took me a while to get accepted). I have never said anything that people are accusing me of for simply saying I support Trump, but I am curious. Teach me? Is this the general thought process on GAF?

Godspeed Vox. 

[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226565362&postcount=883


Do you understand reading comprehension?

[Dennis]

I think, with the pressure to make a lot of bans having seemed to have let up recently, I actually wouldn't mind being a mod now if I was wanted. I always hated the thought of banning someone who was being completely civil.

As for the 'moderation sucks' topic, I think Gaf does okay, but like I said, I disliked people being banned when they weren't actually being assholes. Heck, most of the time I was disappointed if someone I was having a heated discussion with was banned unless they crossed the line.

I think you would make a fantastic mod.

Take note, Steve Youngblood.

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And all the other GAF mods who lurk here

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[Nola]

I think, with the pressure to make a lot of bans having seemed to have let up recently, I actually wouldn't mind being a mod now if I was wanted. I always hated the thought of banning someone who was being completely civil.

As for the 'moderation sucks' topic, I think Gaf does okay, but like I said, I disliked people being banned when they weren't actually being assholes. Heck, most of the time I was disappointed if someone I was having a heated discussion with was banned unless they crossed the line.

There was likely never pressure to ban with a heavy hand, just a a lack of pressure against those that started having one.

[railGUN]

[Nola]

Welp, looks like I just got permed lol.

.....For taking a strong stand arguing that it is liberal hypocrisy of the highest order to welcome harm on the family members of those that voted for Trump.

Or questioning the logic(and defending myself for doing so) of those championing indifference to the families and loved ones who will be harmed by their parents or relatives voting choices.

You were concern trolling. You were trolling by asking these lunatics not to wish harm to people who voted for Trump. Plus I don't believe you, people itt just a few hours ago told me that neogaf mods don't ban people for wrongthink.

lol

Nah, apparently the mod in question was able to peer into my soul and determine that I was engaging in an "obnoxious, disingenuous, thread derailing performance of self-righteousness" and that was my last straw. No TOS violations, just an apparent flaw in character he could see through his monitor and one the mod perceived the board can not endure any longer....For challenging the notion(and defending myself from the dog pile that followed), that the innocent deserve to suffer or receive cynical indifference for the harm brought on because of the actions of the guilty.

One I can honestly say almost made me laugh when i first read it due to how cynical or warped you have to be to think that had to be my mindset. There is just no possible explanation that exists where my opinion was stemming from a place of genuineness to the point I was arguing(ironically it was).

I honestly don't know if I feel sad, concerned, or angry. 

[Boredfrom]

Didnt Steve Youngblood outright admited that the moderation was lacking?

I doubt it. At various points I've tried to point out that moderators are merely volunteers who aren't paid and aren't doing this full time. But whether I agree with every decision made or not I tend to think everyone on the team is operating in good faith and tying to do what they can when they can. I don't blame users when they get upset with us making calls they don't agree with. After all, it's just as much if not more their site than it is our's. It's not like people are registering to the site to watch me put on a moderation clinic. But still, I'd never throw another mod under the bus and proclaim they're doing a bad job. Nobody doing this shit for free deserves that.

Editing and deleting posts is good faith...

Fair enough that you dont want to throw anyone under the bus, but doing it for free doesnt excuse some stuff.

[benjipwns]

The Blood God operates on a different level from his lesser compatriots, his bans all make absolute sense from the ultimate endgame of his reign.

The petty tyrannies of the other moderators compare not to the grand soul-fed hellscape he works towards with a ruthless and unflinching determination.

He cares not for our mortal concerns.

[Oblivion]

Welp, looks like I just got permed lol.

.....For taking a strong stand arguing that it is liberal hypocrisy of the highest order to welcome harm on the family members of those that voted for Trump.

Or questioning the logic(and defending myself for doing so) of those championing indifference to the families and loved ones who will be harmed by their parents or relatives voting choices.

You were concern trolling. You were trolling by asking these lunatics not to wish harm to people who voted for Trump. Plus I don't believe you, people itt just a few hours ago told me that neogaf mods don't ban people for wrongthink.

lol

Nah, apparently the mod in question was able to peer into my soul and determine that I was engaging in an "obnoxious, disingenuous, thread derailing performance of self-righteousness" and that was my last straw. No TOS violations, just an apparent flaw in character he could see through his monitor and one the mod perceived the board can not endure any longer....For challenging the notion(and defending myself from the dog pile that followed), that the innocent deserve to suffer or receive cynical indifference for the harm brought on because of the actions of the guilty.

One I can honestly say almost made me laugh when i first read it due to how cynical or warped you have to be to think that had to be my mindset. There is just no possible explanation that exists where my opinion was stemming from a place of genuineness to the point I was arguing(ironically it was).

I honestly don't know if I feel sad, concerned, or angry. 

Wait, you got permed for that? WTF?

Did you have a lot of bans prior to that?

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226568878&postcount=67

If Obama doesn't appoint Garland I'm pretty much 200% over him.

I'm sure the President will go sleepless tonight.

[benjipwns]

That thread is weird, the entire thing is premised on the GOP not keeping the Senate in session long enough to prevent the recess appointment. And so everyone's talking about how it may effect elections down the road, or how Trump is going to start packing the Court like FDR wanted to.

Considering how Harry Reid essentially prevented it from ever recessing even where it harmed his own party's President, I can't imagine Mitch McConnell doing less than that.

Not to mention the Court itself already said 9-0 that Obama can't decide what is and isn't a recess, only the Senate can. They aren't going to let him appoint someone to themselves in violation of that ruling even if the Republican Senate lets the window open somehow. They only have to hold out for 17 days, they'll have done 270+ this session.

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And that's actual calendar days, not the Senate clock which will be shorter.

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[Take My Breh Away]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324973

GAF asks "What's the deal with nerds being outraged about videogames" without irony, considering they originated peak outrage about videogames years before Gamergate

[Syph]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226568878&postcount=67

If Obama doesn't appoint Garland I'm pretty much 200% over him.

I'm sure the President will go sleepless tonight.

just came back from my last exam of the semester and read that as Article III section 2 and almost shit myself

[Momo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324973

GAF asks "What's the deal with nerds being outraged about videogames" without irony, considering they originated peak outrage about videogames years before Gamergate

It's interesting to me how he chooses one of those anime neckbeard 'censorship' occurrences as his example, something that happens far less than people complaining about the opposite, or anything from the library of Lime posts. It's like he knows he'll get pushback for identifying the very same culture in occurrences where gaf agrees.

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324799

Does "next gen" begin with the Nintendo Switch?


It's a semantic question, but an important one nonetheless. Traditionally, we've categorized video game consoles into generations for a few reasons. For one, the "generations" nomenclature shows how different console developers leveraged available technology at a given time. Secondly, "generations" help us track software trends (e.g. movement from 2D to 3D platformers in the 5th generation). And thirdly, the typical hardware generation is supposed to last until consumers are ready to invest in new hardware.

There are exceptions, of course. The PC Engine/Turbo Grafx-16 was ostensibly a 16 bit console, but had an 8 bit CPU. Is it the end of the 3rd generation or the beginning of the 4th generation? Where should we slot the 32X and Sega CD? Are the Wii and Wii U part of their respective generations since Nintendo bowed out of the technological arms race?

Putting such subjective questions aside, most sources state that the eighth generation includes PS4, Xbox One, and Wi U. That puts the generation start date as November 2012 (Wii U release). That also gives us a 4.25 year time span between the generation start date and Nintendo's hardware refresh with the Switch in March 2017. Sounds short, but it's actually longer than MS' 4 year hardware refresh time span between the OG Xbox and the 360.

The eighth generation PS4 and Xbox One are still going strong, but both of them will have major mid-generation hardware revisions within a year. The same 12 month period as the Nintendo Switch release! So, one COULD consider the ninth generation as PS4 Pro/XBox One Scorpio/Nintendo Switch. We already have people asserting that MS should go ahead and call Scorpio next gen anyway, given its' rumored specs. Or, you could discount the Switch altogether as more of a handheld refresh and keep the eighth generation going until PS5/Xbox Whatever. Or discount the PS4 Pro as more of a current gen revision and Switch/Scorpio as truly "new" or next gen. Lots of different ways you could slice that pie.

I'm wondering what GAF thinks about this. Are we already in a new hardware generation with PS4 Pro and the upcoming Switch? Does "next gen" start with the Switch? Is "next gen" still years away? Or, are we truly "beyond generations", as MS said at E3?

[benjipwns]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324975

Are relationships becoming the norm?


As the op states, are relationships the 'norm' these days.

Everytime I tell someone that I am single, it's like I am weirdo. This question follows without fail 'Why are you single?'. Now this does not happen with potential prospects only, but with straight guys who I am having a normal conversation with. I'm a straight guy by the way.

My friends are all in relationships, even if they refuse to call it that. Most of them are not happy, they are always arguing with their partners and they are unhappy clearly. Everytime I tell them why not leave they say you will understand when you get older. Maybe I do not understand.

My issue is I choose not to be in a relationship, because I am pursuing my dreams I do not have time to be arguing with someone, or having to entertain someone every other day. I have not met a girl who is not continuously bothering me or who is happy to allow me to chase my dreams, while she chases hers. I rather just have the occasional hook up with no strings attached and move on.

Relationship is about sacrifice true, but most is about settling. I know this because my last girlfriend from 3 years ago, used to be hot according to my friends, but used to be a very shitty person. So I settled even with all that shittiness. I was about to get into relationships due to peer pressure as I felt like I was the only single person in the world it feels like, luckily a friend of mine told me not to as he was in a 4 year relationship that ended poorly so he said wait for the right one.

So my question is do you feel like being in a relationship is the 'norm'? What is the issue with being alone? Just because you alone does not mean you a player or no-one wants you.

Why are people settling? Are people willing to be unhappy, just not to be alone?

[VomKriege]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1324979

So which of you guys is pre-ordering your own Waifu? Gatebox Virtual Home Robot

From the FAQ:
"A smartphone is necessary in order to be able to configure Gatebox's settings"
In an abstract sort of way, just like a real relationship?!

 

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=226572452&postcount=11

Yeah, finding people for companionship really isn't hard enough to justify expensive light shows. If you're too coward to approach a partner, you don't deserve companionship.

Dude, what the fuck? Really?

And some more outrage at that

Alpha! Beta! Cuck!

For YOU maybe. What a fucking disgusting attitude.

Fuck ugly people amirite?

Not everyone will date a supermodel. Realize your potential. You're not going to be knocking homers every game, but a hit is a hit.

Not everyone will date during their life. Some people have essentially 0 potential for anyone. (speaking as one such person)

I have tried already many times. Failed each time, usually harshly. I'm done trying, and you'd agree if you knew me.

You are just not confident. There is no minimum bar for looks. :/

You are a fool if you believe so. Completely irrational, everyone has some standards. Even me, although they are very low.

 

[railGUN]

All I asked Santa for, for Christmas, was to poke the NeoGAF hive a bit.

The Big Guy™ cranked that shit up to 11.

[james]

It does seem that all the people arguing that the husband deserved to die of liver failure for their Trump votes were also banned. Notably, Amir0x seems to have caught one.

I dont see why that is a bannable offense.

Every dead Trump voter brings us closer to a better planet

[ToxicAdam]

It is an interesting dilemma though. Is it worth pursuing a relationship, if the only people you are likely to attract (and keep) are people that you shouldn't be in a relationship with?

That perspective can be seen as a lack of confidence, but it could also be a sober look at the reality of your attractiveness (and humanity in general)

That myth that there is 'someone for everyone' doesn't take into account that a good chunk of the population are narcissists, addicts, liars, or lazy people. People that can bring you down and ruin your life.

[FStop7]

It does seem that all the people arguing that the husband deserved to die of liver failure for their Trump votes were also banned. Notably, Amir0x seems to have caught one.

I dont see why that is a bannable offense.

Every dead Trump voter brings us closer to a better planet

 

[helios]

It does seem that all the people arguing that the husband deserved to die of liver failure for their Trump votes were also banned. Notably, Amir0x seems to have caught one.

I dont see why that is a bannable offense.

Every dead Trump voter brings us closer to a better planet

410 billion dead Trump voters and counting