Author Topic: Nintendo Switch Thread (Read 467275 times)

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6540 on:** September 12, 2019, 09:03:33 PM »

I guarantee those people haven’t played many open world games.

Like in Assassin’s Creed you have towers too.

But every tower has the same approach. Every tower has the same utility. Every tower has the same challenge. In BOTW towers are looming, towering behomoths and each one has its own challenge. You might find enemies so strong near the tower you simply cannot climb it without being assaulted so you have to think creatively and climb a much higher point and glide down, reaching a point of the tower that lets you climb undetected.

A game like Skyrim reused entire dungeons. Every shrine in BOTW is unique. Let’s not even get into shrine quests.

I’ve not played a sandbox game with as much care since Saints Row 2.

I don’t want to declare anything yet until I finish just like I didn’t want to declare Mario Odyssey the greatest Mario game until I finished but BotW...*wipes brow* you bringing the heat, buddy.

As a Zelda stan AND lapsed open world fan I am very, very satisfied.

What gets me even more are the “THERE’S NO STORY!!!” complaints.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #6541 on:** September 12, 2019, 09:07:36 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 12, 2019, 08:28:19 PM

Two of the board's biggest Nintendo haters inquiring about purchasing an additional Switch? What a time to be alive.

Re-read what I wrote, numbnuts. I'm asking if I can get all the shit from my old Switch transferred to a new one so that I can have new shoddily made joycons turn to shit in 3 months from your precious tendo. Moron.

Tasty · « **Reply #6542 on:** September 12, 2019, 09:13:11 PM »

I should have used more precise language to imply your purchase of a second Nintendo Switch system was not as an additional Nintendo Switch system to own but rather as a second Nintendo Switch system to transfer to before selling your original Nintendo Switch system back.

Apologies~

Tasty · « **Reply #6543 on:** September 12, 2019, 09:15:50 PM »

I realized I'm wrong and totally misread but I'm not going to edit my post.

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #6544 on:** September 12, 2019, 09:15:59 PM »

*grumble grumble*

Tasty · « **Reply #6545 on:** September 12, 2019, 09:19:15 PM »

I've been meaning to ask if you've been paying for a Nintendo Switch Online membership. Wanna play Smash together?

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #6546 on:** September 12, 2019, 09:28:56 PM »

1. I got a free year from Twitch, it's not even worth the $20 to me
2. I would never play that sad game

kingv · « **Reply #6547 on:** September 12, 2019, 10:15:04 PM »

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on September 12, 2019, 09:03:33 PM

I guarantee those people haven’t played many open world games.

Like in Assassin’s Creed you have towers too.

But every tower has the same approach. Every tower has the same utility. Every tower has the same challenge. In BOTW towers are looming, towering behomoths and each one has its own challenge. You might find enemies so strong near the tower you simply cannot climb it without being assaulted so you have to think creatively and climb a much higher point and glide down, reaching a point of the tower that lets you climb undetected.

A game like Skyrim reused entire dungeons. Every shrine in BOTW is unique. Let’s not even get into shrine quests.

I’ve not played a sandbox game with as much care since Saints Row 2.

I don’t want to declare anything yet until I finish just like I didn’t want to declare Mario Odyssey the greatest Mario game until I finished but BotW...*wipes brow* you bringing the heat, buddy.

As a Zelda stan AND lapsed open world fan I am very, very satisfied.

What gets me even more are the “THERE’S NO STORY!!!” complaints.

1) I told you the game was 🔥. Glad you’re like it!
2) I don’t really get the story complaints either. None of the Zelda games are worth playing for the story alone. It’s almost always just a reason to go to the next part and provide a little window dressing.

On comparison to other Zelda games, it might actually have the best story.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6548 on:** September 12, 2019, 10:22:01 PM »

I don’t think it has a better story than Majora’s Mask but the way it wraps it all up in a mystery where you uncover the world and story bit by bit is great and very reminiscent to Majora’s Mask.

It also has the benefit of not forcing you to wait with a controller on your lap until a blue haired kid finally reaches Ikana canyon so there’s that.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6549 on:** September 12, 2019, 10:30:28 PM »

And yeah it really clicked

Spieler1 · « **Reply #6550 on:** September 12, 2019, 10:35:03 PM »

botw story is shit lol no two ways about it

and I guess who needs real characters like in MM when you can get... faceless NPCs asking for 10 small fish like in a run off the mill MMO?

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6551 on:** September 12, 2019, 10:46:31 PM »

Yup. BOTW characters have no personality and definitely don’t all have individual lives. Towns don’t have individual storylines between entire characters and this definitely means it’s bad because it’s not as good and Majora’s Mask!

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In case you can’t tell I’m being sarcastic. This game npcs are jam packed with personality. They each have an individual schedule. There are characters with motivations and varying storylines between them. You can interact with characters far more than any prior Zelda. Calling them faceless is lol. The amount of detail put into the npcs, from the guide of Hateno, Paya, the feuding farmers;etc. make you look daft for calling them faceless.

BOTW is a master work of the video game storytelling technique I like to call Japanese minimalism (think Shadows of the Colossus, Dark Souls, even games like SilentHill. It’s specifically, uniquely Japanese).Where there’s few cutscenes and you discover the story through world interaction and exploration rather than being told the story straight. Zelda has always been like this and BOTW may have simply perfected it.

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Spieler1 · « **Reply #6552 on:** September 12, 2019, 10:54:29 PM »

mm portrays unique 3 day routines for every character of which everyone has unique personalities and designs. botw can't even be bothered to change a single thing in the landscape on photos from "100 years ago" - to the point that the trees are still identical. so much for worldbuilding

even if npcs had anything close to what you describe, it's not like there's any reason to find out. they all look the same and just give you uninspired mmo fetch quests, because open world can't compete with real level design. npc events outside of towns start to repeat unnaturally like any other open world game too.

Svejk · « **Reply #6553 on:** September 12, 2019, 10:59:55 PM »

I just hope BOTW2 makes up for the total lack of dungeons, unique bosses and music. It was so close to being the perfect Zelda.

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Ocarina still claims the 3D Zelda throne imo.

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kingv · « **Reply #6554 on:** September 12, 2019, 11:00:02 PM »

I can see preferring the plot of Majoras Mask. It’s more unique. But it has all the limitations of storytelling from a year 2000 N64 game. Lackluster translation, limited dialogue, and minimal cutscenes. I’m the sense of how the story is told BOTW is imo a pretty big leap... this is based on memory
Though have not played majoras mask since release.

But BOTW did some interesting stuff with Zelda stories too.
BOTW Hyrule feels like it has a rich backstory, but they never really go into detail about it. I thought
That was a nice touch.
I also liked how link had actually lost to Ganon the first time and Zelda had to save his ass. Usually, Link is the reincarnation of the legendary hero who sealed away evil. This time it’s like “oh you actually got bapped so hard you forgot your damn name.”

kingv · « **Reply #6555 on:** September 12, 2019, 11:00:53 PM »

Quote from: Svejk on September 12, 2019, 10:59:55 PM

I just hope BOTW2 makes up for the total lack of dungeons, unique bosses and music. It was so close to being the perfect Zelda.
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Ocarina still claims the 3D Zelda throne imo.
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Agreed. A couple of dungeons and it would be the perfect game. Thought it’s still top 5 for me in this gen.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6556 on:** September 12, 2019, 11:01:32 PM »

They all look the same? Majora’s Mask has one town and reused Ocarina assets. Who gives a fuck. BOTW has an entire continent while still making characters have storylines and unique personality. Comparing them makes you look ridiculous. Like you’re trying to find something wrong. For the scope, BOTW has lots going on with lots of npcs and yet still manages to exceed every Zelda besides Majora’s and that’s still not good enough for you.

Spieler1 · « **Reply #6557 on:** September 12, 2019, 11:11:35 PM »

Quote from: kingv on September 12, 2019, 11:00:02 PM

I can see preferring the plot of Majoras Mask. It’s more unique. But it has all the limitations of storytelling from a year 2000 N64 game. Lackluster translation, limited dialogue, and minimal cutscenes. I’m the sense of how the story is told BOTW is imo a pretty big leap... this is based on memory
Though have not played majoras mask since release.

still better than the poorly voice acted cringe cutscenes in botw.

ultimately MM has characters and stories you care about, botw has none. mm has tons of things to discover that enriches the world in subtle ways outside of quests (finding secret npc dialogue for example). botw world doesn't make sense at all once you think about it - doesn't feel like a world oppressed for a century at all. plus they didn't know how to tell a story in an unstructured progression, so they blow their entire load in the intro and you don't give a shit about any of the sages or whatever the main goons are. compare also to OoT where you feel bonds even with the sages that have minimal dialogue.

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on September 12, 2019, 11:01:32 PM

For the scope

that's the problem. open world sucks, everything in prior Zeldas was more rewarding to discover and interact with, because size didn't water the contents down.

curly · « **Reply #6558 on:** September 12, 2019, 11:17:02 PM »

Quote from: Spieler1 on September 12, 2019, 10:35:03 PM

botw story is shit lol no two ways about it

and I guess who needs real characters like in MM when you can get... faceless NPCs asking for 10 small fish like in a run off the mill MMO?

Quote from: Spieler1 on September 12, 2019, 10:54:29 PM

mm portrays unique 3 day routines for every character of which everyone has unique personalities and designs. botw can't even be bothered to change a single thing in the landscape on photos from "100 years ago" - to the point that the trees are still identical. so much for worldbuilding even if npcs had anything close to what you describe, it's not like there's any reason to find out. they all look the same and just give you uninspired mmo fetch quests, because open world can't compete with real level design. npc events outside of towns start to repeat unnaturally like any other open world game too.

we get it bro you bought a wii u at launch and are still traumatized, move on with your life

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6559 on:** September 12, 2019, 11:40:22 PM »

Old Zelda NEVER had repeat NPCs.

NPC's aren't repeated in Kokiri Forest, Goron City, and Zora's Domain at all.

Remember when all Gerudo has varied models?! They definitely didn't all look the same.

Also you are GREATLY exaggerating the NPC reuse and calling them faceless makes you look like a joke, dude.

So far the only NPC's being reused are kids and even those are different via town.

FACELESS

FACELESSSSSS

This game has no personality, and has as much sterile robotic direction as a Bethesda game /s

Despite all of this the game has more NPC variety than all previous Zelda's despite being A. a larger game and B. better looking.

Breath of the Wild is a triumph in the sheer amount of detail Nintendo put into it.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6560 on:** September 12, 2019, 11:47:23 PM »

Tbh I’m most happy about the fact there’s black people in a Zelda game

team filler · « **Reply #6561 on:** September 13, 2019, 12:51:39 AM »

link should be black and zelda his snowbunny

Tuckers Law · « **Reply #6562 on:** September 13, 2019, 03:33:05 AM »

Cindi: I know you asked it like a billion years ago now, but as someone who’s liked OG Yoshi’s Island and never played any of the other Yoshi platformer games: Wooly World is the best Yoshi game, even better than YI. TBF, the amazing soundtrack for Wooly World definitely influences my opinion some, but even without it I still feel like I’d prefer it to YI for the SNES.

Also

at SpielerEins implying BOTW characters are samey and uninspired while in the same breath raving about the design and character of NPC’s in Majoras Mask, a game where the big AAA developer basically did their own version of an asset-flip.

Mask is a great game, but of the two BOTW is the better Zelda game. don’t @ me

Cerveza mas fina · « **Reply #6563 on:** September 13, 2019, 03:35:20 AM »

I have high hopes for the new Zelda game.

Now that Nintendo has the assets, tools and knowledge I hope theycan focus on adding a few kick ass dungeons.

Also hope the new Zelda is less physics based and more old school item stuff.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6564 on:** September 13, 2019, 03:38:39 AM »

ROMANCING SAGA 3

https://twitter.com/squareenix/status/1171770617529425921

Tuckers Law · « **Reply #6565 on:** September 13, 2019, 03:42:30 AM »

I think that’s what’s one of the biggest surprises I had with BOTW: not only is it a brilliantly crafted, genre-defining title, but it also so clearly has several aspects in design with room to grow and improve upon. Only other game I can think of doing similar within the last couple generations is Demon’s Souls.

EDIT: SaGa games on switch look so good

Sure would be nice if I could get a modern port of FFV with similar love and care

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6566 on:** September 13, 2019, 03:58:21 AM »

Tucker:

I really love Yoshi! He is my favorite Nintendo character. Better YI is tall praise.

You haven’t played YI2? If so I suggest it.

Also FFV and VI that’s looks like FFIV psp is the dream!!

Chooky · « **Reply #6567 on:** September 13, 2019, 09:07:24 AM »

what is yoshis island 2? the ds game?

Tasty · « **Reply #6568 on:** September 13, 2019, 10:13:38 AM »

Never played YI2 either.

bork · « **Reply #6569 on:** September 13, 2019, 10:55:51 AM »

I thought people said YI2 sucked? That's the Arttoon-developed game, IIRC.

Can't keep up with this stuff.

Tasty · « **Reply #6570 on:** September 13, 2019, 10:59:38 AM »

Quote from: bork on September 13, 2019, 10:55:51 AM

I thought people said YI2 sucked? That's the Arttoon-developed game, IIRC.

Can't keep up with this stuff.

I heard it was decent but decent compared to the original is still a wide gulf.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6571 on:** September 13, 2019, 11:16:22 AM »

What are things I can do in BOTW that I should absolutely know about?

Chooky · « **Reply #6572 on:** September 13, 2019, 11:21:55 AM »

there's nothing in the game that's so hidden that you probably wouldn't find it. just have fun exploring and seeing what's out there.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6573 on:** September 13, 2019, 11:22:58 AM »

How do I do the boulder traversal thing I’ve seen though?

Chooky · « **Reply #6574 on:** September 13, 2019, 11:29:38 AM »

? you mean riding one? charge up an object with kinetic energy, then grab on.

there are a ton of cool tricks/glitches you can use to speed around the map, and if you want to do those then you definitely will need to look this up on YouTube.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6575 on:** September 13, 2019, 11:30:59 AM »

No that’s obvious but I don’t get enough air when I do it so I figured I’m doing it wrong

Tasty · « **Reply #6576 on:** September 13, 2019, 11:52:42 AM »

I completely avoided trying shit like that... it's nice how BotW supports so many kinds of playstyles.

Spieler1 · « **Reply #6577 on:** September 13, 2019, 12:08:36 PM »

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on September 12, 2019, 11:40:22 PM

Old Zelda NEVER had repeat NPCs.

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NPC's aren't repeated in Kokiri Forest, Goron City, and Zora's Domain at all.

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Remember when all Gerudo has varied models?! They definitely didn't all look the same.

Also you are GREATLY exaggerating the NPC reuse and calling them faceless makes you look like a joke, dude.

So far the only NPC's being reused are kids and even those are different via town.

FACELESS

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FACELESSSSSS

This game has no personality, and has as much sterile robotic direction as a Bethesda game /s

Despite all of this the game has more NPC variety than all previous Zelda's despite being A. a larger game and B. better looking.

Breath of the Wild is a triumph in the sheer amount of detail Nintendo put into it.

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ok then I'll cherry pick too

etc etc

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and regarding the few examples you gave - no wonder I already forgot about them, since you just don't interact with NPCs like in MM. They are mostly MMO fetch quest givers. Because open world still sucks with BotW.

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Svejk · « **Reply #6578 on:** September 13, 2019, 12:38:41 PM »

The problem with BOTW side quests (and fighting enemies for that matter), is that you don't get really shit as a reward. "Just delivered some meal to someone? Here... have some bananas." "Just killed a white bokoblin? Here... have some bokoblin guts and an apple. Forget experience points to build on something." Yeah, you can get weapons... that last for all of 6 swings till it shatters like glass. That still hasn't resonated very well with me... Hope that shit gets removed in BOTW2.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6579 on:** September 13, 2019, 12:58:24 PM »

"Here... have some bokoblin guts and an apple. "

You mean ingredients to make things of worth?

Also they aren't just bananas. They have utility. Those bananas are more than likely mighty bananas which raise attack power which is helpful in a pinch. That's a pretty good reward.

Sounds like bad rewards...if you don't fiddle with the entire crafting/cooking thing that's central to the game.

A problem with most BOTW criticisms is that the majority are the nittest of picks.

Like this.

Quote from: Spieler1 on September 13, 2019, 12:08:36 PM

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on September 12, 2019, 11:40:22 PM
Old Zelda NEVER had repeat NPCs.

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NPC's aren't repeated in Kokiri Forest, Goron City, and Zora's Domain at all.

(Image removed from quote.)

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(Image removed from quote.)

Remember when all Gerudo has varied models?! They definitely didn't all look the same.

Also you are GREATLY exaggerating the NPC reuse and calling them faceless makes you look like a joke, dude.

So far the only NPC's being reused are kids and even those are different via town.

FACELESS

(Image removed from quote.)

(Image removed from quote.)

(Image removed from quote.)

(Image removed from quote.)

FACELESSSSSS

This game has no personality, and has as much sterile robotic direction as a Bethesda game /s

Despite all of this the game has more NPC variety than all previous Zelda's despite being A. a larger game and B. better looking.

Breath of the Wild is a triumph in the sheer amount of detail Nintendo put into it.

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ok then I'll cherry pick too

etc etc
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and regarding the few examples you gave - no wonder I already forgot about them, since you just don't interact with NPCs like in MM. They are mostly MMO fetch quest givers. Because open world still sucks with BotW.
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Here you have a dude using actual story characters in previous games and comparing them to...Traveler A and Traveler B.

Such a boring, sterile game.

"No wonder I forgot about them. You don't interact with NPCs like you would in MM."

Do you like any Zelda *besides* MM? This is why MM fans are the worst. Never mind you interact more with the world than NPC's. The kinds of games MM and BOTW are make them complete opposites.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #6580 on:** September 13, 2019, 01:00:52 PM »

God damn it I need to find time to actually play Zelda

Tasty · « **Reply #6581 on:** September 13, 2019, 01:45:21 PM »

The whole Champions dynamic was such a (lol) breath of fresh air. I mean, Link's still amnesiac for most of the game, but in terms of the cutscenes included there are far less with Link being like "Wait I don't know anything about any of this shit, any of these people, how to fight, how to ride, etc."

But you get tons of flashbacks showing Link being a competent soldier and guard, and he finally gets the recognition of Hero from the realm without having to collect some fucking in-game pendants or some shit. Was just really great to see.

Also loved seeing Zelda be competent... for the most part. I still don't really care for her design compared to past games (Champion Tunic Link is the new GOAT) but I guess it suits her nerdy nature.

Tuckers Law · « **Reply #6582 on:** September 13, 2019, 01:56:00 PM »

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on September 13, 2019, 11:22:58 AM

How do I do the boulder traversal thing I’ve seen though?

Angle of trajectory plays a part in distance, as does how much kinetic energy is built up. Axes and two-handed swords are probably the easiest way to build max momentum on an object in stasis before the timer runs out.

Also: dunkey’s video is mandatory viewing if you enjoy dinking around in Zelda.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6583 on:** September 13, 2019, 02:14:35 PM »

Shout out to whoever suggested that amFilm screen protector.

*takes tab layer off switch*

“Is it on? I can’t tell a difference.”

*touches screen, realizing the protector is on*

“Holy shit.”

Five stars.

bork · « **Reply #6584 on:** September 13, 2019, 02:21:33 PM »

That screen protector is a must and it's so good!

Svejk · « **Reply #6585 on:** September 13, 2019, 02:36:00 PM »

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on September 13, 2019, 12:58:24 PM

"Here... have some bokoblin guts and an apple. "

You mean ingredients to make things of worth?

Also they aren't just bananas. They have utility. Those bananas are more than likely mighty bananas which raise attack power which is helpful in a pinch. That's a pretty good reward.

Sounds like bad rewards...if you don't fiddle with the entire crafting/cooking thing that's central to the game.

Guess in NG+, you narrow down to what's good and where to farm if need be. Sapphires and Stalnox toenails... nah, star fragments and diamonds are the only thing you need to actually upgrade your armor properly from the Great Fairy. But besides Silver Lynels, there's really no tough enemies anymore worth fighting, so yeah... most drops seem worthless after awhile. Guess that's just me.

Tasty · « **Reply #6586 on:** September 13, 2019, 02:36:04 PM »

It's great and I don't use screen protectors on anything else.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6587 on:** September 13, 2019, 02:37:04 PM »

Yeah I quickly realized my switch would get scratched. Every time I take it off the dock it tilts forward. I refused to play handheld mode this entire week because of it.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #6588 on:** September 13, 2019, 02:44:46 PM »

I bought that screen protector too, 2 pack so I can do my stepsons too!

Tasty · « **Reply #6589 on:** September 13, 2019, 02:52:25 PM »

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on September 13, 2019, 02:44:46 PM

I bought that screen protector too, 2 pack so I can do my stepsons too!

Gave my extra one to my niece when I got her a Switch.

Occam · « **Reply #6590 on:** September 13, 2019, 04:04:57 PM »

Glad y'all got tempered glass protectors as suggested. Added bonus is that the glass feels much better than the unprotected plastic screen.
See, using protection doesn't always have to feel worse.

james · « **Reply #6591 on:** September 13, 2019, 04:35:31 PM »

I paid $39.99 for this

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6592 on:** September 13, 2019, 04:50:56 PM »

Great vid.

"bananas are bad rewards"

nachobro · « **Reply #6593 on:** September 13, 2019, 05:00:12 PM »

there's a spot where bananas are pretty helpful. good for cooking too.

HardcoreRetro · « **Reply #6594 on:** September 13, 2019, 05:39:54 PM »

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 13, 2019, 01:45:21 PM

Also loved seeing Zelda be competent... for the most part. I still don't really care for her design compared to past games (Champion Tunic Link is the new GOAT) but I guess it suits her nerdy nature.

Edit: I like the design.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6595 on:** September 13, 2019, 06:00:15 PM »

Caught Zelda’s white horse. Not her PAWG ass yet but at least it’s something that booty has sat on

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #6596 on:** September 13, 2019, 06:03:20 PM »

Make that PAHG.

Phat ass Hylian girl.

Tripon · « **Reply #6597 on:** September 13, 2019, 11:19:59 PM »

Went and ordered the Hori Split Pad Pro controller. $50. This is totally an upgrade to using the joycons. Only meant to playing in handheld mode.

Rufus · « **Reply #6598 on:** September 13, 2019, 11:38:45 PM »

Mhmmm~
Nice keeb.

Tripon · « **Reply #6599 on:** September 13, 2019, 11:53:16 PM »

Quote from: Rufus on September 13, 2019, 11:38:45 PM

Mhmmm~
Nice keeb.

Thanks, I've been getting more into 60% the last year or two because of their form factor.

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