Smash is the most overrated Nintendo series

[Cerveza mas fina]

Imho its straight garbage, and Ive never enjoyed even trying it.

Still dont understand if its a fighter or ??

I cant believe millions of people buy this, why not get a real fighting game?

[SantaC]

I thought Melee was pretty fun, but the new entries are boring. I dont get the hype for it.

[Tasty]

No, that's Metroid.

[Positive Touch]

No, that's Metroid.

I SWEAR TO GOD STOP TRIGGERING ME

[mormapope]

No, that's Metroid.

Agreed and anyone that takes the lore or the limitless text dumps in the Prime series seriously, those people aren't really all that different than Sonic fans.

Metroid Prime, a game where the combat sucks, upgrades are trickled down at a snails pace, almost no story or plot, but yet its a masterpiece apparently.

[Positive Touch]

the American school system has failed

you kids are dumb as fuck

[CatsCatsCats]

Couldn't get into Brawl, the original was fun for the time, Melee is definitely the pinnacle. It's a novelty game

[bluemax]

It's a fun party game but being out of college I find I never play it.

[Tasty]

:The Thread

If you actually want real answers (I doubt you do):

Still dont understand if its a fighter or ??

It's a fighter. People like fighters with lots of characters, stages and content, especially if it contains content sourced from games they already like. Franchises in the latest Smash game:

- Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid, etc.
- Pac-Man
- Mega-Man
- Bayonetta
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Final Fantasy 7
- Street Fighter

I cant believe millions of people buy this, why not get a real fighting game?

Traditional fighting games are usually seen as unapproachable to Smash's audience. It's part of the reason Mortal Kombat sold gangbusters, it's seen as easier to get into when people just want to sit down for an hour or two and fight each other.

The game straight up just doesn't have traditional combos. Every move in the game is a button or a button + an analogue direction. Casual gamers like this. Add on items and they can at least hang with much better players to an extent (see also, Mario Kart.)

In fact Mario Kart is a good analogy. You might as well be asking people why they don't play Gran Turismo instead.

[benjipwns]

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:The Thread

Doesn't apply to Metroid. It's not an opinion.

[Positive Touch]

xenoblade on gc was a good ass game tho

[Tasty]

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:The Thread

Doesn't apply to Metroid. It's not an opinion.

Other M was amazeballs!!

[benjipwns]

Like Hunters, Other M never happened. It was a myth. Planted by Russian Intelligence.

[bluemax]

Xenoblade wasn't on the gamecube?

Visually it sure looked like it was.

[Positive Touch]

well whatever i played it on, it was a good game

[tiesto]

Most overrated Nintendo series are probably Animal Crossing, Pikmin, or F-Zero.

[Tasty]

Most overrated Nintendo series are probably Animal Crossing, Pikmin, or F-Zero.

Animal Crossing: There's four main games and two spinoffs. One of the main games is crap (City Folk.) The series went largely under-appreciated by mainstream gaming media and gamers until New Leaf, which if not every bit as good as the praise it gets is still very good. Just not everyone's cup of tea.

Pikmin: I don't see anyone overrating this?

F-Zero: Not a series I got into but I can't say it's overrated. Has no bad games to its name, and its final entry was pretty damn standout (even I can see that.)

[Tasty]

Like Hunters, Other M never happened. It was a myth. Planted by Russian Intelligence.

Hunters is the best one tho

[benjipwns]

Hunters is the best one tho

Any mods on?

[pilonv1]

Like Hunters, Other M never happened. It was a myth. Planted by Russian Intelligence.

Hunters is the best one tho

Ltf

[Cerveza mas fina]

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:The Thread

If you actually want real answers (I doubt you do):

Still dont understand if its a fighter or ??

It's a fighter. People like fighters with lots of characters, stages and content, especially if it contains content sourced from games they already like. Franchises in the latest Smash game:

- Mario, Zelda, Pokemon, Metroid, etc.
- Pac-Man
- Mega-Man
- Bayonetta
- Sonic the Hedgehog
- Final Fantasy 7
- Street Fighter

I cant believe millions of people buy this, why not get a real fighting game?

Traditional fighting games are usually seen as unapproachable to Smash's audience. It's part of the reason Mortal Kombat sold gangbusters, it's seen as easier to get into when people just want to sit down for an hour or two and fight each other.

The game straight up just doesn't have traditional combos. Every move in the game is a button or a button + an analogue direction. Casual gamers like this. Add on items and they can at least hang with much better players to an extent (see also, Mario Kart.)

In fact Mario Kart is a good analogy. You might as well be asking people why they don't play Gran Turismo instead.

So basically its a gimped fighter for kids?

I remember playing MK2 and VF when I was 10/11 so its hard to see the appeal maybe

Mario Kart is an arcade racer, not the same

[Tasty]

Smash is as complex as you make it. There's a reason it's been #2 at Evo for a few years. Don't know if I'd say "gimped." It certainly has a lower skill floor, but the skill ceiling is still pretty high.

The Mario Kart comparison is apt. Smash and Kart are seen as easy to get into while "real" racers and fighters aren't.

It's different compared to what else is out there. Yeah, Power Stone or whatever but who gives a fuck about Power Stone?

It's also one of the only fighters that allows for more than 2 fighters at a time (up to 8 in the case of Wii U.) Less people in the group sitting around bored while only two people have the real fun.

[Trent Dole]

Imho its straight garbage, and Ive never enjoyed even trying it.

WRONG.

Still dont understand if its a fighter or ??

Yes.
It's just vidya, shut the fuck up and have fun.

I cant believe millions of people buy this, why not get a real fighting game?

Fanservice!

[benjipwns]

but who gives a fuck about Power Stone?

This is how Trump won.

[Tasty]

Fanservice!

[bork]

Imho its straight garbage, and Ive never enjoyed even trying it.

Still dont understand if its a fighter or ??

I cant believe millions of people buy this, why not get a real fighting game?

It's not overrated if you can't figure out how to play it.

 

I wouldn't give that title to Metroid, either- the most overrated game series is easily Zelda.

[a slime appears]

If we're being serious it's Pokémon.

No other game, not even Zelda, matches the hype and adulation that franchise gets and every iteration is either a meager improvement over the last or it has hackneyed gimmick games that fans lap up. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the games, but it's hype built by children and nothing more. Pretty overrated by this point.

[Positive Touch]

now that is an accurate post. no other jrpg series could get away with such ancient gameplay (and don't say dragon Quest or I SWEAR TO GOD) and still have the phenomenal sales that it does.

[ToxicAdam]

I can't really hate on Pokemon. It's 'distilled RPG mechanics - the game'. There's a beauty in it's reductive nature. It is a shame they never evolved the game past that in 2 decades, but it's still a concept that is compelling to young gamers.

While that works for a game like Pokemon, I think it works against Smash Bros. A fighting game where you don't feel total control over your character, doesn't feel very good. It's like a racing game with poor controls.

[tiesto]

I can't really hate on Pokemon. It's 'distilled RPG mechanics - the game'. There's a beauty in it's reductive nature. It is a shame they never evolved the game past that in 2 decades, but it's still a concept that is compelling to young gamers.

While that works for a game like Pokemon, I think it works against Smash Bros. A fighting game where you don't feel total control over your character, doesn't feel very good. It's like a racing game with poor controls.

A racing game with poor controls... sounds like the Gamecube F-Zero game! The first F-Zero was pretty fun for a tech demo, with some nice music... but then you had F-Zero X (nice 60 FPS gameplay but really bland visuals) and the Gamecube F-Zero which looked beautiful but felt like you were driving on ice. When it comes to futuristic racers I'd rather just play Wipeout. But that doesn't matter since both franchises are 2 feet in the grave

[Tasty]

If we're being serious it's Pokémon.

No other game, not even Zelda, matches the hype and adulation that franchise gets and every iteration is either a meager improvement over the last or it has hackneyed gimmick games that fans lap up. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy the games, but it's hype built by children and nothing more. Pretty overrated by this point.

With Pokemon it's hard to gauge how overrated it is since, as you said, most of its install base is made up of children. I view Pokemon in its own bubble. It has a small sliver of hardcore supporters who of course overhype every tiny little new thing, a large group of children, and then the rest of the gaming world which doesn't give a rat's ass about it. It's true of a lot of series but it's epitomized by Pokemon.

I can't really hate on Pokemon. It's 'distilled RPG mechanics - the game'. There's a beauty in it's reductive nature. It is a shame they never evolved the game past that in 2 decades, but it's still a concept that is compelling to young gamers.

Yeah, I think that's part of Pokemon's charms. And it's not like they haven't tinkered with the battle system a lot (double/triple battles, Mega Evos, Z Moves, etc.), but the core is unchanged because it works so well and is so easy to grok. Which of course is important when the base is children.

While that works for a game like Pokemon, I think it works against Smash Bros. A fighting game where you don't feel total control over your character, doesn't feel very good. It's like a racing game with poor controls.

A game with analogue control is less than total control? 🤔

[Tasty]

Imho its straight garbage, and Ive never enjoyed even trying it.

Still dont understand if its a fighter or ??

I cant believe millions of people buy this, why not get a real fighting game?

It's not overrated if you can't figure out how to play it.

 

I wouldn't give that title to Metroid, either- the most overrated game series is easily Zelda.

It probably is Zelda, but the series itself is so ridiculously divisive. Not to mention the last console game landed with a dull thud and a "Meh." (WW and TP weren't exactly universally loved, either.)

It may have been Paper Mario until Sticker Star tore that series down to the ground.

[TakingBackSunday]

I like it, but I've learned its not necessarily for me anymore.  I don't game competitively, I don't play with people very often, so the game doesn't go very far for me other than liking all the Nintendo nostalgia.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Is there like some story mode like in MK at least?

[TakingBackSunday]

edit: nvm I'm an idiot

[Tasty]

Is there like some story mode like in MK at least?

Brawl had a pretty lengthy one, but it was basically a Kirby clone and wasn't really well received outside the cutscenes.

They cut it in Smash 4 but added other things to make up for it. The amount of content in the game overall is staggering.

[demi]

Smash Brawl (Wii) had "Subspace Emissary" which is the single player mode. Smash Melee (Cube) had "Adventure Mode" which was a single player mode.

Smash 64 never had one, and they took it out with WiiU Smash I believe.

[Tasty]

3DS has Smash Run which is pretty fun. Wii U has branching Events Mode and Special Orders. I'm not sure but I think Smash Tour can be played offline, though it's not as good as Smash Run.

Of course both games have All-Star Mode and Classic Mode as well (I far prefer the 3DS's version of Classic Mode, but meh, they're both solid.)

[Human Snorenado]

Is Nintendo Dogs a series? Because I mean.

But yes, Smash is and always has been trash.

[bork]

Imho its straight garbage, and Ive never enjoyed even trying it.

Still dont understand if its a fighter or ??

I cant believe millions of people buy this, why not get a real fighting game?

It's not overrated if you can't figure out how to play it.

 

I wouldn't give that title to Metroid, either- the most overrated game series is easily Zelda.

It probably is Zelda, but the series itself is so ridiculously divisive. Not to mention the last console game landed with a dull thud and a "Meh." (WW and TP weren't exactly universally loved, either.)

It may have been Paper Mario until Sticker Star tore that series down to the ground.

It is Zelda-- let's not forget the reception that Ocarina Of Time got.  "GREATEST GAME OF ALL TIME" all over the place.

And let's not forget about this review! 

[Tasty]

It's certainly not my GOAT (nor even in my top three favorite Zelda games), but I could see how someone could make the argument (back in the day.)

[bork]

It's certainly not my GOAT (nor even in my top three favorite Zelda games), but I could see how someone could make the argument (back in the day.)

It was the very definition of over-hyped and over-rated.  People were totally losing their shit over it before it even came out.  I know people who were done playing video games, but still went and bought N64s and OOT.  It was like how the Wii turned out.

[Cerveza mas fina]

Zelda OOT was the greatest for a loooooong time

[Great Rumbler]

OoT was p cool

[Tasty]

It's certainly not my GOAT (nor even in my top three favorite Zelda games), but I could see how someone could make the argument (back in the day.)

It was the very definition of over-hyped and over-rated.  People were totally losing their shit over it before it even came out.  I know people who were done playing video games, but still went and bought N64s and OOT.  It was like how the Wii turned out.

In what sense? Most people bought the Wii off the back of Wii Sports. Are you saying that game was overrated? I'm sure most of its players (casuals) would differ.

[TakingBackSunday]

OoT was my defining game as a kid sooooo

[SantaC]

OoT was my defining game as a kid sooooo

OoT was one of the best gaming experiences, definitely.

[Tasty]

I'm so in the middle with OoT. I don't think it deserves the shit-talk it gets, but I also view it as a 3D rehash of LttP (best Zeruda.)

[benjipwns]

LINK'S AWAKENING

[bork]

It's certainly not my GOAT (nor even in my top three favorite Zelda games), but I could see how someone could make the argument (back in the day.)

It was the very definition of over-hyped and over-rated.  People were totally losing their shit over it before it even came out.  I know people who were done playing video games, but still went and bought N64s and OOT.  It was like how the Wii turned out.

In what sense? Most people bought the Wii off the back of Wii Sports. Are you saying that game was overrated? I'm sure most of its players (casuals) would differ.

The waggle simulator?  Fuck yeah it was.  How is this even up for discussion?   

[The Sceneman]

Zelda is the most overrated Nintendo series. This isn't even up for discussion

[Trent Dole]

Zelda is the most overrated Nintendo series. This isn't even up for discussion

I'm torn on this one cause I LOVE LttP but the series has been kinda meh for a bit now if I'm honest with myself.

[The Sceneman]

I'm trolling to an extent but yeah. The games are good but I cant understand the pedestal they're put on. Its probably because I didn't grow up with the series

[nudemacusers]

This thread is triggering me

[The Sceneman]

This thread is triggering me