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« Reply #11700 on: December 01, 2017, 04:54:29 PM »
Ok, let's see a show of hands. Does Trump get impeached or nah?
LOL. No.
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« Reply #11701 on: December 01, 2017, 04:56:11 PM »
Ah yes, the Shaggy defense. Caught Flynn speaking to the Russians? It wasn't me. Kushner dealing with the Russians? It wasn't me. Assange leaking for the Russians? It wasn't me.
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« Reply #11702 on: December 01, 2017, 04:57:12 PM »
Ok, let's see a show of hands. Does Trump get impeached or nah?

Roughly zero percent chance of happening. Far more likely he 1) fires Mueller or 2) resigns next summer claiming that he's made America great again, and has no more work to do as President

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« Reply #11703 on: December 01, 2017, 05:00:18 PM »
Ah yes, the Shaggy defense. Caught Flynn speaking to the Russians? It wasn't me. Kushner dealing with the Russians? It wasn't me. Assange leaking for the Russians? It wasn't me.

How many times has this crew flipped their official position from "That never happened, and it's ridiculous to even suggest it" to "Of course we did that and it's totally cool and normal that we did"?

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« Reply #11704 on: December 01, 2017, 05:01:10 PM »
impeached, no.  Resigns is probably far more likely
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« Reply #11705 on: December 01, 2017, 05:09:43 PM »
Resignation only happens under threat of impeachment so it's really the same answer.
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« Reply #11706 on: December 01, 2017, 05:10:15 PM »
Ok, let's see a show of hands. Does Trump get impeached or nah?
Republicans are going down with this ship for as long as Trump is the pen that will sign their donor’s tax cuts and he endears more popularity with their base than they do. Same thing occurred with Nixon. So chances are slim.

I certainly wouldn’t put money down in a Predict-It market, but if you had asked me 6 months ago if Flynn and a campaign aide would of turned and we would be speculating whether it is seriously going to finger Kushner or Trump, I probably would of been skeptical of that as well.
 
A better question would be do people think Trump makes it through this without impeachment OR  resigning(convinced or otherwise)? I wouldn’t discount it outright at this point.

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« Reply #11707 on: December 01, 2017, 05:10:37 PM »
Also, taking a gander at T_D, of course etoilet is using the same fucking arguments as they are.

More proof that etoilet is a red-pilling T_D fucknugget.
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« Reply #11708 on: December 01, 2017, 05:11:32 PM »
No way Trump gets impeached without a sensational video evidence in this fake news world we’re living in.


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« Reply #11710 on: December 01, 2017, 05:17:38 PM »
If there's a democratic majority in both houses, he absolutely is getting impeached. If not then he won't be.

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« Reply #11711 on: December 01, 2017, 05:21:56 PM »
If there's a democratic majority in both houses, he absolutely is getting impeached. If not then he won't be.

Even then you need 2/3rds of the Senate to convict.

I feel like it would have to be something amazingly blatant and simple.

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« Reply #11712 on: December 01, 2017, 05:23:18 PM »
2018 is gonna be such an amazing year for US politics :rofl

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I'm not looking forward to dying in a fiery hellscape
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« Reply #11713 on: December 01, 2017, 05:24:14 PM »
If there's a democratic majority in both houses, he absolutely is getting impeached. If not then he won't be.

Even then you need 2/3rds of the Senate to convict.

I feel like it would have to be something amazingly blatant and simple.

What if his approval rating keeps tanking? What if they pass their tax cuts? What do they need him for after that? There are a lot of factors at play.

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« Reply #11714 on: December 01, 2017, 05:29:52 PM »
As long as he's popular among Republicans, it'll be tough to ask Republican politicians to vote with Democrats and against him. You'd need fully one third of Republican Senators to do that. Not impossible, which is why included the caveat, but very tough.

If I was forced to guess how this plays out, I'd say Trump remains through his term but doesn't run for reelection. But really I have no idea.

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« Reply #11715 on: December 01, 2017, 05:31:30 PM »
What if his approval rating keeps tanking? What if they pass their tax cuts? What do they need him for after that? There are a lot of factors at play.
Well first off, there's still the healthcare thing. Secondly, impeachment hurts their party a lot.
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« Reply #11716 on: December 01, 2017, 05:33:11 PM »
As long as he's popular among Republicans, it'll be tough to ask Republican politicians to vote with Democrats and against him. You'd need fully one third of Republican Senators to do that. Not impossible, which is why included the caveat, but very tough.

If I was forced to guess how this plays out, I'd say Trump remains through his term but doesn't run for reelection. But really I have no idea.

I'm not sure they will have a choice if he gets indicted. At the least he will get impeached (under my scenario) but not removed. Which would pretty much derail the administration and he wouldn't run for a second term.

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« Reply #11717 on: December 01, 2017, 05:41:39 PM »
You guys are talking like Trump is not going to double down in his reelection aspirations.

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« Reply #11718 on: December 01, 2017, 05:51:21 PM »
He could always start a war with North Korea, war always helps a president's popularity.
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« Reply #11719 on: December 01, 2017, 05:54:03 PM »
Maybe this is all a long con by Trump so Kushner gets thrown in prison and Ivanka's single again.

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« Reply #11720 on: December 01, 2017, 05:56:06 PM »
Maybe this is all a long con by Trump so Kushner gets thrown in prison and Ivanka's single again.

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« Reply #11721 on: December 01, 2017, 05:56:44 PM »
Anything that would convince the Republicans to impeach Trump would be enough for him to resign. I also think if there was a chance of his financials getting exposed he'd resign as well.
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« Reply #11722 on: December 01, 2017, 06:01:21 PM »
I also think if there was a chance of his financials getting exposed he'd resign as well.
You don't really believe this, do you?
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« Reply #11723 on: December 01, 2017, 06:05:40 PM »
I also think if there was a chance of his financials getting exposed he'd resign as well.
You don't really believe this, do you?

Financials seem to be one of his more sore points.

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« Reply #11724 on: December 01, 2017, 06:16:09 PM »
I also think if there was a chance of his financials getting exposed he'd resign as well.
You don't really believe this, do you?
Trump releasing his financials would do wonders for his image if he was telling the truth about everything, and yet he has steadfastly refused to do so.
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« Reply #11725 on: December 01, 2017, 06:22:17 PM »
I think what will really get him impeached is all the shit he has already done + some policy shit going really poorly and backfiring. This could be trade wars, this could be the tax bill creating huge deficits and the republican cans going full bore on cutting Medicare and social security in an election year. This could be a dumb war.

It could even be completely fucking up the healthcare market. Officially, it will be Russian traitor/General unsuitability that will push him to impeachment by in reality it will be that he sucks in a way that pulls the wool off his bases eyes.

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« Reply #11726 on: December 01, 2017, 06:34:08 PM »
Trump's lawyers have made some "and don't go looking through his financial records!" statements out of nowhere. So there are legal or PR reasons he's paranoid about protecting them.

But the question of what would make him resign is basically asking to do a theory of the mind for Trump, and no thank you.

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« Reply #11727 on: December 01, 2017, 07:06:38 PM »
Also, taking a gander at T_D, of course etoilet is using the same fucking arguments as they are.

More proof that etoilet is a red-pilling T_D fucknugget.

What #metoo here just established

1. He reads T_D more than I do

2. T_D read and understood the statement more than he did

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« Reply #11728 on: December 01, 2017, 07:15:13 PM »
I mean, let's be real. Trump went on tv a couple days after firing Comey and admitted that he did it to obstruct justice. After that, impeaching him has just been a matter of finding the political will to do so.
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« Reply #11729 on: December 01, 2017, 07:20:01 PM »
Can someone post on my behalf how happy they are to see this start unraveling? I’m not allowed to atm.
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« Reply #11730 on: December 01, 2017, 07:24:55 PM »
Mandark, I think what you're referring to specifically is when they warned the special counsel about what should and shouldn't be considered relevant to the investigation. And that's because investigations like these tend to go everywhere and touch everything, spiraling completely out of control. There's a number of reasons Trump wouldn't want someone looking through his finances, both legal and illegal, but I doubt it has anything to do with Russian oligarchs laundering money.

I mean, let's be real. Trump went on tv a couple days after firing Comey and admitted that he did it to obstruct justice. After that, impeaching him has just been a matter of finding the political will to do so.
I think most lawyers agree that all this amounts to in court is that the Russia investigation was on his mind when he fired Comey.
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« Reply #11731 on: December 01, 2017, 07:34:34 PM »
Also, taking a gander at T_D, of course etoilet is using the same fucking arguments as they are.

More proof that etoilet is a red-pilling T_D fucknugget.

What #metoo here just established

1. He reads T_D more than I do

2. T_D read and understood the statement more than he did

:lol

I dont think this is a gotcha post that works against him, Etiolate.

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« Reply #11732 on: December 01, 2017, 07:38:19 PM »
I don't think Trump's financials would show him laundering money, but whatever is there is somehow so bad that clearing the bulk of the suspicion about his Russia ties isn't worth it. It's basically Mitt Romney's problem magnified a great deal.
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« Reply #11733 on: December 01, 2017, 08:11:12 PM »
Also, taking a gander at T_D, of course etoilet is using the same fucking arguments as they are.

More proof that etoilet is a red-pilling T_D fucknugget.

What #metoo here just established

1. He reads T_D more than I do

2. T_D read and understood the statement more than he did

:lol

I dont think this is a gotcha post that works against him, Etiolate.

He has me on ignore, so no point in gotcha. I'm just laughing at him reading the_donald to spite me and him being mad that a collection of shitposters figured out the same thing.



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« Reply #11734 on: December 01, 2017, 08:14:44 PM »
Also, taking a gander at T_D, of course etoilet is using the same fucking arguments as they are.

More proof that etoilet is a red-pilling T_D fucknugget.

What #metoo here just established

1. He reads T_D more than I do

2. T_D read and understood the statement more than he did

:lol

I dont think this is a gotcha post that works against him, Etiolate.

He has me on ignore, so no point in gotcha. I'm just laughing at him reading the_donald to spite me and him being mad that a collection of shitposters figured out the same thing.

You just confirmed you read The_Donald and take their arguments at face value.


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« Reply #11736 on: December 01, 2017, 08:25:52 PM »
I don't even think Mexican Politicians are this blatant...

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« Reply #11737 on: December 01, 2017, 09:06:26 PM »
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« Reply #11738 on: December 01, 2017, 09:08:11 PM »
Man, what the hell does Trump have on the Republican party that they're in such a panic to get this done ASAP?
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« Reply #11740 on: December 01, 2017, 09:28:11 PM »
Man, what the hell does Trump have on the Republican party that they're in such a panic to get this done ASAP?

Nah, it's not Trump, it's the donors. They're PISSED that the GOP has wasted nearly a whole year of total fed control doing nothing and they've been cutting off the money supply in a big way recently. The GOP is desperate to get something, ANYTHING pushed out the door.
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« Reply #11741 on: December 01, 2017, 09:29:20 PM »
Man, what the hell does Trump have on the Republican party that they're in such a panic to get this done ASAP?

Nah, it's not Trump, it's the donors. They're PISSED that the GOP has wasted nearly a whole year of total fed control doing nothing and they've been cutting off the money supply in a big way recently. The GOP is desperate to get something, ANYTHING pushed out the door.

Even if the anything leads to an economic meltdown worse than 2008...

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« Reply #11742 on: December 01, 2017, 09:34:52 PM »
None of the primary culprits got anything more than a light tap on the wrist in 2008, why will it be different this time?
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« Reply #11743 on: December 01, 2017, 09:51:46 PM »
I thought the open secret about Trump's financials/tax returns/etc. was that he's nowhere near as rich/successful as he claims and probably still has tons of major negative assets on his books.

Remember when his lawyers filed that one statement and it was put in all caps that Trump was worth more than "TEN BILLION DOLLARS"?

It was the only thing that'd get him flustered during the GOP debates too especially by Christie or someone. It was how both Carly Fiorina and Mark Cuban got under his skin so easily.

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« Reply #11744 on: December 01, 2017, 10:07:42 PM »
Trump's likely done a lot of shady deals with bad people [mafia, oligarchs, ect.] and some really creative bookkeeping to avoid taking a loss on bad investments, so I could see him wanting to keep that under wraps and away from actual serious investigators. Hard to say if any of that is illegal, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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« Reply #11745 on: December 01, 2017, 10:10:05 PM »
Trump's likely done a lot of shady deals with bad people [mafia, oligarchs, ect.] and some really creative bookkeeping to avoid taking a loss on bad investments, so I could see him wanting to keep that under wraps and away from actual serious investigators. Hard to say if any of that is illegal, but I wouldn't be surprised.

He operated a Casino in the 90's.

He's got dirt and probably a few bodies too.

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« Reply #11746 on: December 01, 2017, 10:26:06 PM »
I mean, let's be real. Trump went on tv a couple days after firing Comey and admitted that he did it to obstruct justice. After that, impeaching him has just been a matter of finding the political will to do so.

Exactly. Trump could say the N word, hit Melania on camera, authorize military force to kill protesters, or get caught with a hooker and the GOP would still stand by him. We won't see serious movement away from Trump until his shenanigans begin threatening to long-term viability of the GOP.

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« Reply #11747 on: December 02, 2017, 12:05:49 AM »
so, a way off hypothetical here, this likely isn't true.

But what if Mueller is building a case as he is not with the goal of entrapping Trump, but forcing his resignation? Mueller already has Manafort and Flynn in his pocket, and as such he likely has already more than enough to press serious charges on Don Jr. and Kushner. And Mueller is almost certainly looking at financial malfeasance within the Trump organization. Its still an open question as to what charges can be levied at Trump while he's President, but Mueller's investigation would be a lot less politically viable if Trump were to step down. The investigation wouldn't stop at once, but so far its scope has been limited only to peripheral characters within the campaign. It could well end with the fish they've already hooked.

Trump can still protect his family (which he, in theory still cares about), his fortune (or the perception of it), and even himself (say Pence gives him the Nixon treatment), all he has to do is quit.


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« Reply #11749 on: December 02, 2017, 12:54:37 AM »
Also, taking a gander at T_D, of course etoilet is using the same fucking arguments as they are.

More proof that etoilet is a red-pilling T_D fucknugget.

What #metoo here just established

1. He reads T_D more than I do

2. T_D read and understood the statement more than he did

:lol

I dont think this is a gotcha post that works against him, Etiolate.

He has me on ignore, so no point in gotcha. I'm just laughing at him reading the_donald to spite me and him being mad that a collection of shitposters figured out the same thing.

You just confirmed you read The_Donald and take their arguments at face value.

You seem confused. BN is the one reading the_donald and posting their view, not me. I haven't checked t_d for months. Place was only amusing for the shitposting after they won the election.

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« Reply #11750 on: December 02, 2017, 01:34:14 AM »
so, a way off hypothetical here, this likely isn't true.

But what if Mueller is building a case as he is not with the goal of entrapping Trump, but forcing his resignation? Mueller already has Manafort and Flynn in his pocket, and as such he likely has already more than enough to press serious charges on Don Jr. and Kushner. And Mueller is almost certainly looking at financial malfeasance within the Trump organization. Its still an open question as to what charges can be levied at Trump while he's President, but Mueller's investigation would be a lot less politically viable if Trump were to step down. The investigation wouldn't stop at once, but so far its scope has been limited only to peripheral characters within the campaign. It could well end with the fish they've already hooked.

Trump can still protect his family (which he, in theory still cares about), his fortune (or the perception of it), and even himself (say Pence gives him the Nixon treatment), all he has to do is quit.
Why would Mueller prefer or accept Trump's resignation to prosecuting Trump Jr. and Kushner if those two committed things blatantly more serious than what Manafort and Flynn were known, before this investigation, to have done that Mueller brought charges against them for? Robert Mueller's endgame isn't Trump or even anything to do with Russian interference in the election which is his commission. His endgame goal has always been prosecutions of any kind, that's the whole point.

Manafort got got for the same reason he had to leave the Trump campaign. Flynn got got for the same reason he had to leave as NSA. Neither one was related to the election, and Flynn's charge was only tied to the Russians in that's who he lied about that they agreed to him taking the hit on.

And none of this answers the question I keep having and have had of what exactly is supposed to be the accusation at the center of this? "Trump coordination with the Russians" is meaningless to me in the abstract. Especially since they apparently pulled it off so well that literally nobody else on the planet has discovered this in two years and that to uncover this whole thing Robert Mueller apparently needs Michael Flynn, someone guilty of providing false testimony to the FBI (and admitted to having provided false testimony and documentation to others including the Vice President), to testify to this giant secret that he's also managed to keep secret until now. So secret that not even his idiot son knows about it?

Neither Flynn nor Papadopoulous pled guilty to any overarching scheme or collusion or anything like that. Nobody has been charged for anything related to the campaign. There's no picture at all of what if anything is in the case Mueller is supposedly building that will shock the foundation of Trump's shoddy administration. So not only do we have the most successful secret criminal international conspiracy in history, we have the most successful secret investigation of it, in that neither one has like every other instance in history had even the slightest details exposed.

And just imagine, had Seth Rich not been killed, we would have known exactly all of this, well before the election.

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« Reply #11751 on: December 02, 2017, 01:43:43 AM »
Neither Flynn nor Papadopoulous pled guilty to any overarching scheme or collusion or anything like that.

Tell me why I'm going to tell you this is a dumb point.

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« Reply #11752 on: December 02, 2017, 01:44:20 AM »

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« Reply #11753 on: December 02, 2017, 01:57:27 AM »
I can't believe they passed that shit.
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« Reply #11754 on: December 02, 2017, 01:59:16 AM »
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The Senate passed a sweeping tax overhaul that would cut taxes for corporations and most individuals.

The legislation passed after Republican leaders made concessions to several holdouts. The Senate and House will have to meld their separate bills before sending legislation to President Donald Trump.

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« Reply #11755 on: December 02, 2017, 02:24:52 AM »
Neither Flynn nor Papadopoulous pled guilty to any overarching scheme or collusion or anything like that.

Tell me why I'm going to tell you this is a dumb point.
I literally have no idea, maybe you could be a good person for a change and actually say things instead of being cowardly.

Neither one can be used as evidence that Mueller is building any kind of case regarding trying to force a Trump resignation, expose criminal election collusion or even bring any kinds of charges against anyone further as neither one was charged with participating in any kind of scheme. Coverage and speculation of this case is building upon assumption upon assumption by punditry who knew the conclusion before there was an investigation while nobody in the government seems the least bit interested in hinting at what the case or scheme even looks like. This case looks literally nothing like any special counsel case I can remember. I'm not even sure how Mueller is supposed to uncover a criminal conspiracy at this point. At least Fitzgerald already knew when he became special counsel what the crime he was supposed to be investigating was, along with who the guilty party was so that he could reach agreements not to prosecute him or Novak, before he started bringing witnesses before his grand jury.


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« Reply #11757 on: December 02, 2017, 02:35:29 AM »
Flynn and Papadopoulous are cooperating with the investigation. The whole nature of these deals is that they've plead to lesser crimes than they had been credibly threatened with.

Pointing to those charges to draw conclusions is dumb.

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« Reply #11758 on: December 02, 2017, 03:20:36 AM »
To take just Flynn for sake of ease. He can cooperate without agreeing to a plea regarding anything. And the guilty plea here doesn't preclude him from being charged for anything else, just being charged further by the special counsel for lying to the FBI and DOJ in these two instances. Because he's already plead guilty to those charges.

Why would he agree to this and then testify to his participation in a criminal conspiracy regarding the election? Is the plea supposed to be a sign of good faith that he's stopped being a convicted perjurer? When he can still be prosecuted for anything else he's done criminally, especially anything he admits he did to a grand jury. Or later being charged for committing further perjury to said grand jury.

I don't understand why this is supposed to show that Flynn has anything regarding criminal collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the election. Or anything that will let Mueller come down on anyone else. Or anything he can testify to that will cause Trump to resign.

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« Reply #11759 on: December 02, 2017, 03:21:52 AM »
To take just Flynn for sake of ease. He can cooperate without agreeing to a plea regarding anything.

You already lost me.

And the guilty plea here doesn't preclude him from being charged for anything else, just being charged further by the special counsel for lying to the FBI and DOJ in these two instances. Because he's already plead guilty to those charges.

That is not how these arrangements work.