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« Reply #11880 on: December 04, 2017, 05:59:10 PM »
Speaking of which, wasn't the original executive order a temporary ban.

Yeah. It was signed in late January and was for 90 days. So should have expired by May anyways.

Yeah, I thought it was 90 days but wasn't sure and couldn't find any info on that. So how is it supposed to work now, 90 days from this date? Or will there be some fuckery and it will basically be indefinite?

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« Reply #11881 on: December 04, 2017, 06:04:17 PM »


New evidence that Roy Moore dated a 17 year old

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/woman-shares-new-evidence-of-relationship-with-roy-moore-when-she-was-17/2017/12/04/0c3d1cde-d903-11e7-a841-2066faf731ef_story.html

I feel like you when you have already crossed that boundary of looking past or rationalizing away molesting a 14 year old, more evidence of a 34 year old dating a 17 year old just becomes mental gymnastics on easy mode.

I thought so too but it's actually pretty damning and disturbing. Read the whole thing if you haven't.

Oh by any normal brain that is incredibly damning in the larger context of Roy Moore, I don't know how the InfoWars types spin the evidence now, but so was the pussy tape for Trump, and the 14 year old's allegation, and all of the allegations against Fox News.

My point being, these are people that are true pieces of shit, or are delusional beyond repair. Based on recent polls I think Moore is going to win and clearly Trump is not really paying much in the way of a political price with his base at large for going to battle for him.

My best hope is that the national Democrats can get their shit together on this issue(not exactly confident on that right now) and use it to mobilize supporters and chip away just a little bit with disillusioned moderates.

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« Reply #11882 on: December 04, 2017, 06:05:53 PM »
There was always a suspicion that the "temporary, until we figure out some new rules" ban was really just meant to be a foot in the door for a permanent policy change.

The way they've kept pursuing variations on the ban pretty much confirms that. They'll have to keep going at it through executive orders, since they haven't even started the process legislatively.

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« Reply #11883 on: December 04, 2017, 07:13:12 PM »
The timing of Manafort is around when Flynn made the deal with Mueller, which was very good for Flynn. Mueller's investigation may be hasted significantly.

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« Reply #11884 on: December 04, 2017, 07:14:06 PM »
Herpa la
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« Reply #11885 on: December 04, 2017, 07:18:44 PM »
Derp
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« Reply #11886 on: December 04, 2017, 07:26:19 PM »
The post so shite he posted it thrice
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« Reply #11887 on: December 04, 2017, 07:33:12 PM »
or maybe he's right?

Took a sabbatical from the news and am trying to find the hottest take on the latest developments and just come away more confused the more I read ???

Does anyone know?
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« Reply #11888 on: December 04, 2017, 08:03:17 PM »
I got 500 or some other error after timing out, didn't think they made it. I thought this site detected duplicates.

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« Reply #11889 on: December 04, 2017, 08:58:39 PM »
It's safe to assume a post went through when it errors out with a 50X. You have to back out and refresh the page manually, though.

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« Reply #11890 on: December 04, 2017, 09:20:14 PM »
https://twitter.com/hsu_spencer/status/937800163808210944


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Wait wait wait. Does this mean that Manafort is going back to jail?


Edit : meh, just back to house arrest.
 :heh :gladbron :aah :noah :obama
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« Reply #11891 on: December 04, 2017, 09:26:12 PM »
I cannot believe how dumb this story sounds.
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« Reply #11892 on: December 04, 2017, 09:46:53 PM »
All you had to do to get out from house arrest was not collude with a Russian operative to ghost write a self-serving op-ed...And you just couldn't help it  :heh

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« Reply #11893 on: December 04, 2017, 10:14:40 PM »
All you had to do to get out from house arrest was not collude with a Russian operative to ghost write a self-serving op-ed...And you just couldn't help it  :heh


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« Reply #11894 on: December 04, 2017, 10:27:05 PM »
What outdoor gear and clothing retailer Patagonia have to say about Bears Ears?

http://www.patagonia.com/home/




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« Reply #11895 on: December 04, 2017, 10:45:16 PM »
Cue Trumpkins lighting their already purchased fleeces on fire.


EDIT: Looks like The North Face is doing something similar



If only global warming was real, Trumpkins could maybe skirt on the winter wear.
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« Reply #11896 on: December 04, 2017, 11:10:18 PM »
HAHA

When big business turns against Repuiblicans

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« Reply #11897 on: December 04, 2017, 11:11:56 PM »
At some point Trump's only support will come from some random angry white guy in rural Alabama who doesn't have a TV or the internet.
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« Reply #11898 on: December 04, 2017, 11:13:17 PM »
Huh buy stock in Columbia Sportswear I guess




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« Reply #11902 on: December 05, 2017, 01:52:10 AM »
You mean to tell me the group that arose from GamerGate is hateful towards women.

No way  :cac :trumps :six:

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« Reply #11903 on: December 05, 2017, 01:57:51 AM »
Yup, Gamergate's ashes is what gave birth to the alt-right. Total watershed moment for America. Yup. You got it!
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« Reply #11904 on: December 05, 2017, 02:05:17 AM »
Yup, Gamergate's ashes is what gave birth to the alt-right. Total watershed moment for America. Yup. You got it!

You're pretty crazy if you don't see the similarity between the two groups.

Tactics, ideology, hell they even share alot of the same "spokepeople".

Then again I'm talking to the person that think's this admin isn't leaky and the Russia-gate is a nothingburger.  :doge

And yes I'd say Nazi's openly being a part of public perception and politics is a watershed moment for us yes.
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« Reply #11905 on: December 05, 2017, 02:25:38 AM »
They're similar. Same axe to grind. I just think drawing a straight arrow from Gamergate to the alt-right is really wacky.
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« Reply #11906 on: December 05, 2017, 03:45:52 AM »
They're similar. Same axe to grind. I just think drawing a straight arrow from Gamergate to the alt-right is really wacky.

Straight arrow? No. But that Venn diagram has a lot of damn overlap. It's no coincidence Milo supported both movements and they're is a good case it evolved from it.

http://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/news/tracing-link-between-gamergate-trump-supporters-alt-right-w510618

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« Reply #11907 on: December 05, 2017, 03:48:48 AM »
Funny you'd mention Milo since he wrote an entire guide to the composition and origin of the alt-right and nowhere does it mention Gamergate.
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« Reply #11908 on: December 05, 2017, 03:58:05 AM »
In other US news.

The gamer gate is now governed by lootboxes. Random chance to get in the alt-right now.

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« Reply #11909 on: December 05, 2017, 05:13:21 AM »
Funny you'd mention Milo since he wrote an entire guide to the composition and origin of the alt-right and nowhere does it mention Gamergate.

And yet his stink is all over gamergate.

I don't understand why people want to downplay or forget gamergate? It was a vile movement that served no purpose.

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« Reply #11910 on: December 05, 2017, 06:10:59 AM »
It's about the ethics in video game journalism.

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« Reply #11911 on: December 05, 2017, 08:40:44 AM »
And yet his stink is all over gamergate.

I don't understand why people want to downplay or forget gamergate? It was a vile movement that served no purpose.

It happened. To consider it as a cause of the alt right instead of a symptom (as some people have been prone to do over those places) is pretty laughable however. There's not really anything in the US alt right you won't find in decade old movements in Europe (or well... In the US) and far right militants have long understood the power of the Internet to disseminate alternative viewpoints.

Gamergate is only so useful in that for people familiar with gaming it's an interesting study case of how simmering mundane beliefs (the distrust of gaming press who was a throwaway cliché tossed around for the last 15 years and more of something akin to complaining about slow bureaucracy or late trains, an half truth accepted as a fact of life) can explode and be harnessed by political agendas.

I mean remember when Anonymous was an headline item ? They certainly did more (insofar you can credit them) than Gamergate. Did the latter did anything of note besides harassing a bunch of minor gaming celebrities and gathering at a Five Guys ? I wonder if the need by some to constantly prop up GG as utterly significant to national politics (instead of, let's say, the Tea Party or birtherism) is not a perverse way for geeks crippled with envy to convince themselves gaming is culturally significant to be honest.

GG was My Little Political Movement for a population heavily bent on consumerism and a media largely dominated by shallowness (more so than other forms of artistic expressions at this moment).
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« Reply #11912 on: December 05, 2017, 09:09:27 AM »

I don't understand why people want to downplay or forget gamergate? It was a vile movement that served no purpose.

Calling it a 'movement' is really grandiose. It was just a collection of assholes that weighed on a 'topic of the day' on the internet.

It's just knee-jerk misogyny and has existed for decades. Finding commonalities in other knee-jerk ideologies should be no surprise.

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« Reply #11913 on: December 05, 2017, 09:24:32 AM »
Reuters I reporting that deutsche bank has received subpoenas for trumps accounts.

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« Reply #11914 on: December 05, 2017, 10:00:18 AM »
So someone at work flipped the TV in the lunchroom over to Fox News

https://imgur.com/gallery/7qK6l
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Fuckin’ Dershowitz, mang.
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« Reply #11915 on: December 05, 2017, 10:42:28 AM »
Why is the media silencing the voices of women who were not sexually assaulted by Roy Moore?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/12/many-women-never-molested-by-roy-moore-spokesperson-says.html



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« Reply #11918 on: December 05, 2017, 11:05:48 AM »
So someone at work flipped the TV in the lunchroom over to Fox News

https://imgur.com/gallery/7qK6l
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(Image removed from quote.)

Fuckin’ Dershowitz, mang.

Someone should ask him if he still thinks torture is legal.

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« Reply #11919 on: December 05, 2017, 12:17:35 PM »
https://www.salon.com/2017/12/04/alt-right-women-are-upset-that-alt-right-men-are-treating-them-terribly/

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By the end of the thread, McCarthy made it clear that these trolls are part of the "alt-right." "The problem I'm stating here is not that 'there are trolls on the internet' but that people who proclaim to be on our side are trying to tear down women in our in-group," she wrote.

Another self-described "conservative woman" also had a problem with her movement's underlying culture. In a video titled, "Why I'm Not Married," Lauren Southern responded to the backlash she received for pushing "traditional family values" and trying to tear down feminism — while not turning into a baby-making machine, herself.

"I am not trying to sell the idea that myself, as a 22-year-old, needs to be married right now for the sake of traditionalism and not being a degenerate," Southern said in a YouTube video. "What is also just completely shocking to me is the utter lack of understanding of nuance."

Southern said that women should be able to choose their own life path and not be attacked for it, which sounds like what women have been shouting for a few decades now.

While McCarthy would like to see racism without the sexism in the white supremacist movement
— and Southern would appreciate it if anti-feminist women were given the ability to choose for themselves what kind of life they want to lead — it's worth wondering if these women are liberal.
Oh!

That last one especially. :betty

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« Reply #11920 on: December 05, 2017, 12:19:50 PM »
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Southern would appreciate it if anti-feminist women were given the ability to choose for themselves what kind of life they want to lead

This part blows my mind.

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« Reply #11921 on: December 05, 2017, 12:33:51 PM »
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Southern would appreciate it if anti-feminist women were given the ability to choose for themselves what kind of life they want to lead

This part blows my mind.
This 3-hit combo is pure satire.

"Feminism bad, rah rah!"

"Southern would appreciate it if anti-feminist women were given the ability to choose for themselves what kind of life they want to lead"

"Southern said in a YouTube video. 'What is also just completely shocking to me is the utter lack of understanding of nuance.'"

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« Reply #11923 on: December 05, 2017, 02:09:09 PM »
Kushner, help
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« Reply #11925 on: December 05, 2017, 03:35:25 PM »
Remember when the Trump pussy tape was leaked and the GOP distanced themselves from Trump, then it got closer to the election and they were right back on board the Trump Train?

:trumps
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« Reply #11927 on: December 05, 2017, 04:06:22 PM »
Trump lobbied a GOP delegate to change the GOP platform to water down support for the Ukraine. Senate Intelligence Committee to hear more from this delegate this week. House Intelligence Committee will try to jail delegate

Headline courtesy of fark.com. real news. real funny
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« Reply #11928 on: December 05, 2017, 04:31:54 PM »
Funny you'd mention Milo since he wrote an entire guide to the composition and origin of the alt-right and nowhere does it mention Gamergate.

I mean bannon specifically focused on Milo because of his work in gamergate and explicitly said he was targeting the same group of young alienated white dudes. It's not a Pokemon style direct evolution, but there's reason there's a near 100% overlap between the t_d and kia crowd

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« Reply #11929 on: December 05, 2017, 04:37:37 PM »
“Well, when the president does it, that means it is not illegal.”

- Richard Nixon


Sounds like Trump’s lawyers now have an ironclad defense strategy.


DICK NIXON INNOCENT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #11930 on: December 05, 2017, 04:49:35 PM »
I mean bannon specifically focused on Milo because of his work in gamergate and explicitly said he was targeting the same group of young alienated white dudes. It's not a Pokemon style direct evolution, but there's reason there's a near 100% overlap between the t_d and kia crowd
I dunno what you mean by kia. But citation please. I hear what you're saying about the "rootless white male" as Bannon called them. Like I said, they've got the same axe to grind. But I was just responding to thehunter's weirdly phrased "rose from the ashes of gamergate" statement. As if the alt right is its spiritual successor. :lol It's the kind of weird delusional narrative I'd only expect to hear from someone who frequents Resetera as much as he does.
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« Reply #11931 on: December 05, 2017, 06:21:31 PM »
They're similar. Same axe to grind. I just think drawing a straight arrow from Gamergate to the alt-right is really wacky.

Not a straight arrow, just a slimey ooze trail.
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« Reply #11932 on: December 05, 2017, 07:22:53 PM »
Taking Salon as anything other than unintentional comedy smh

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« Reply #11933 on: December 05, 2017, 07:28:20 PM »

I don't understand why people want to downplay or forget gamergate? It was a vile movement that served no purpose.

Calling it a 'movement' is really grandiose. It was just a collection of assholes that weighed on a 'topic of the day' on the internet.

It's just knee-jerk misogyny and has existed for decades. Finding commonalities in other knee-jerk ideologies should be no surprise.

You're a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow if you really think it was that. It was lied about by the press it was criticizing. You can think gaming press is too much of a joke to care about, but if that's so then you shouldn't suddenly take that press seriously when they start calling everything bigots.

It's not reelvant to the alt-right, but it was a case study of problems for the sjw types to come.


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« Reply #11934 on: December 05, 2017, 07:46:47 PM »
I’ve noticed people saying gamer gate wasn’t about misogyny never really say what it was about 🤔

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« Reply #11935 on: December 05, 2017, 07:50:26 PM »
I’ve noticed people saying gamer gate wasn’t about misogyny never really say what it was about 🤔

something something post-irony
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« Reply #11936 on: December 05, 2017, 07:56:02 PM »
I mean bannon specifically focused on Milo because of his work in gamergate and explicitly said he was targeting the same group of young alienated white dudes. It's not a Pokemon style direct evolution, but there's reason there's a near 100% overlap between the t_d and kia crowd
I dunno what you mean by kia. But citation please. I hear what you're saying about the "rootless white male" as Bannon called them. Like I said, they've got the same axe to grind. But I was just responding to thehunter's weirdly phrased "rose from the ashes of gamergate" statement. As if the alt right is its spiritual successor. :lol It's the kind of weird delusional narrative I'd only expect to hear from someone who frequents Resetera as much as he does.

kotaku in action is the subreddit that started out as gamergate centric and has since basically just become a mirror of the donald. I can't find the quote from Bannon that I'm thinking of, but he basically says he initially hired Milo because he how admired how well Milo resonated amongst the audience he was seeking. Regardless, know one knew who the fuck Milo until he started banging the drums of gamergate, and by 2015 Bannon not only hired him but gave him his own section as Breitbart Tech. I don't see how it's a stretch to say the latter lead to the former

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« Reply #11937 on: December 05, 2017, 08:11:04 PM »
I’ve noticed people saying gamer gate wasn’t about misogyny never really say what it was about 🤔

Except not. People did so and they did so often, and then the reaction is closing their ears and going LALALALA or saying "well I never really cared anyways".

We are about ten minutes away from someone wanting the whole topic stopped because I called attention to the public image of it being a lie.

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« Reply #11938 on: December 05, 2017, 08:14:24 PM »
I’ve noticed people saying gamer gate wasn’t about misogyny never really say what it was about 🤔

Except not. People did so and they did so often, and then the reaction is closing their ears and going LALALALA or saying "well I never really cared anyways".

We are about ten minutes away from someone wanting the whole topic stopped because I called attention to the public image of it being a lie.

well...what was it about then?
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« Reply #11939 on: December 05, 2017, 08:24:47 PM »
I’ve noticed people saying gamer gate wasn’t about misogyny never really say what it was about 🤔

Except not. People did so and they did so often, and then the reaction is closing their ears and going LALALALA or saying "well I never really cared anyways".

We are about ten minutes away from someone wanting the whole topic stopped because I called attention to the public image of it being a lie.

well...what was it about then?

Ethics in game journalism and bitching about SJWs.