US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[shosta]

my read on him is that he mostly does it for himself and whether people are tired of him or not has never mattered and will never matter. just like his idol norm macdonald.

[Nola]

[kingv]

Basically Data Science.

It’s the statistics that always trips up the American candidates... which unfortunately is the hardest thing to teach on the job.

You hiring interns? I can do stats like a mofo and speak R in my sleep. Also all my posts on this forum are generated by markov chains.

I have two interns year-round... but you probably don’t want to live where I live, so we typically try to hire locally.

As for the stats (at least for my team st work), all I’m really looking for usually is a working understanding of what logistic regression does.

Frankly, I’m not even a true statistician, more like an MBA from a fancy school that knows enough to know what he doesn’t know, has a dash of commons-sense, and is able to translate heavily-accented statistician speak into something that a 4 year comms major would understand.

I’m pretty good st Sas/SQL, but would never really say that I’m a statistician, even if I’m dealing with stats often as part of my routine work.

[shosta]

I'm gonna be unemployed forever. Curse this Trump economy!
 

[kingv]

R and stats should be in pretty high demand, in general. I wouldn’t lose hope.

It’s hard to find people with that skill set, to the point where even mediocre proficiency in both is usually worth consideratioN.

[Brehvolution]

meanwhile back in the land of actual major scandals instead of nutty partisan obsessions:

A photograph of then-Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan that was taken in 2005 at a meeting of the Congressional Black Caucus in Washington, DC, was released Saturday after a 13-year cover-up to protect Obama’s political career.

Asia told TraceEdneyWire.com that he was confronted by a member of the Congressional Black Caucus about the photograph, and that he eventually surrendered it to Farrakhan’s chief of staff. He secretly kept a copy of the image for himself, but he never told anyone and never released the image, for fear of burglary or retaliation against him, he told the left-wing Talking Points Memo website.

He told TraceEdneyWire.com that he believed the photograph would have destroyed Obama’s electoral chances:

“I gave the picture up at the time and basically swore secrecy,” Muhammad said in an exclusive interview with the Trice Edney News Wire this week. “But after the nomination was secured and all the way up until the inauguration; then for eight years after he was President, it was kept under cover.”

As for any debate that the photo could have made a difference in the outcome of the Obama presidential election, Muhammad is emphatic: “I insist. It absolutely would have made a difference.”

The Muhammad photograph proves that there was a rich mine of information that was withheld from the public to protect Obama’s career and policy goals.

(Image removed from quote.)

https://twitter.com/jimgeraghty/status/956623243431071749

https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/956615361931001856

Between this, the Hillary e-mails revelations by Andrew McCarthy that no one on twitter has disproven, and THE MEMO, it's long past time for a special prosecutor and investigative team to look into Barack Hussein Obama's life and career so we can finally get some answers on it. Two names I would seriously consider including on the staff are Sheriff Joe and Sheriff David Clarke.

[Brehvolution]

[Kurt Russell]

i love seeing liberals celebrate bad economic news now

They surely can't have had much to celebrate recently then? To all intents and purposes, the US is doing pretty great on all fronts currently. Dollar up, stocks up - just about the only thing that's trending down at the moment are Millennial fee-fees.

[Brehvolution]

What's the dollar up on? It's been trending down since November of '16. What happened back then? 

http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=USD&to=EUR&amount=1

http://www.x-rates.com/graph/?from=USD&to=GBP&amount=1

[VomKriege]

Stocks up ? WOW 

Wait. I'm a working stiff. I don't have any stocks.

[kingv]

A strong dollar sucks. Give me that sweet inflation.

[Brehvolution]

Obama was a secret Catholic! 

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Confirmed reports that Obama will be receiving the death penalty in a military tribunal.

[Brehvolution]

 

[zomgee]

That thread is a read.

https://twitter.com/Hublife/status/956468960773382145

[Nintex]

Well Alex Jones was right about Hollywood and Roger Stone got rid of Franken.
So who knows. 

[Mandark]

Just got around to reading that article on the Dutch hacking the hackers. Wild stuff.

Somehow I don't think that Malia Zimmerman story on Seth Rich is going to pan out.

[Brehvolution]

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/stuart-varney-is-absolutely-outraged-that-the-guggenheim-offered-trump-a-golden-toilet/

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Stuart Varney was…um…less than pleased, shall we say, that the Guggenheim museum rejected President Donald Trump‘s request to borrow a Vincent Van Gogh masterpiece to decorate the White House and instead offered him — wait for it — a golden toilet.

 

[Brehvolution]

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/956630671841267712

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/MattGertz/status/956630671841267712

And that's why Fox News is fair and balanced.

CNN simply silences those who don't put up with their bullshit
https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/956983654126899200

[Great Rumbler]

The whiplash going from Stuart Varney/Sean Hannity/Tucker Carlson/Fox & Friends to Shep Smith is enough to snap a person's neck.

[CatsCatsCats]

Not enough side eye in the world for you saying that

[CatsCatsCats]

Editors note: I have seen you say too many vitriolic things about Bernie to believe there was a scenario in which you would have voted for him, to the point that regardless of context you asserting it as a possibility is funny to me

[Mandark]

Yeah, this is clearly worse than emailz.

Also pretty sure this story gets treated differently if it breaks in 2008. "It's not like he got away with it. Losing several weeks pay is a serious penalty, and are we really going to demand someone get fired for a shoulder rub?" etc. etc.

[jorma]

So this covering up the harasser thing is way more valid and relevant a concern than like every other "scandal" Hillary had combined.

I might have actually voted Bernie if this had come out then.

I totally believe you!

[Stro]

So this covering up the harasser thing is way more valid and relevant a concern than like every other "scandal" Hillary had combined.

I might have actually voted Bernie if this had come out then.

What about when she covered up for her husband, the most powerful man on the planet, abusing said power to get his dick sucked by an intern, and then went on for years talking mad shit about the intern in public instead of her husband? Or, you know, the multitude of other women who accused him of sexual harassment and/or assault going back decades?

[Rufus]

You guys 'fall' for it just as much as he does. [/peanut gallery]

[kingv]

She’s been attacking bills accuser since 92, well before Monica.

[kingv]

Jim Webb or Lincoln Chafee probably could have beat Trump.

[Assimilate]

Why does no one think like this? It's very hard for an American to leave the country and study for free and start working in other countries, especially other first world countries despite what progressives think. Canada has stricter more selective immigration laws than the U.S does lol.

I can't understand this common argument that because shithole countries do things in ways that are worse than our misguided endeavors, we should strive, not to be the potentially definitive nation, but instead to emulate their worst qualities. Especially as some kind of payback against those seeking to leave such shithole countries.

Our immigration policies are more lax than first world countries. It doesn't even make any sense. It's a broken system and you want to defend it as the definitive version? WTF?

[Stro]

So this covering up the harasser thing is way more valid and relevant a concern than like every other "scandal" Hillary had combined.

I might have actually voted Bernie if this had come out then.

What about when she covered up for her husband, the most powerful man on the planet, abusing said power to get his dick sucked by an intern, and then went on for years talking mad shit about the intern in public instead of her husband? Or, you know, the multitude of other women who accused him of sexual harassment and/or assault going back decades?

Well I disagree with your framing. Monica wanted that D.

The power balance and Hillary's reaction of demonizing and trying to ruin the life of the one with zero power in the situation is the framing. Plus literally decades of Hillary doing the same thing to all the other women Bill fucked on the side or harassed/assaulted. ETOILET was right: the only thing Hillary has been consistent about is protecting abusers.

[Mandark]

Our immigration policies are more lax than first world countries. It doesn't even make any sense. It's a broken system and you want to defend it as the definitive version? WTF?

Not all of us have post-traumatic sonnant disorder.

[Assimilate]

Finished Fire and Fury.

That was entertaining, scary and mind boggling all at the same time. I feel like it did paint Jared Kushner in a decent light. It makes him seem not all that incompetent and at least sincere.

Anyone else reading it?

[team filler]

Jim Webb or Lincoln Chafee probably could have beat Trump.

They both would have gotten fucking obliterated annihilated.

ftfy

[shosta]

I think I just witnessed Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity argue on whether the Wall should be transparent.
EDIT:
"Why are you being difficult with me? I'm your friend."
"You are my friend. I'm YOUR friend. And you're being difficult with me!"

just fuck and die already

[Nola]

Why does no one think like this? It's very hard for an American to leave the country and study for free and start working in other countries, especially other first world countries despite what progressives think. Canada has stricter more selective immigration laws than the U.S does lol.

I can't understand this common argument that because shithole countries do things in ways that are worse than our misguided endeavors, we should strive, not to be the potentially definitive nation, but instead to emulate their worst qualities. Especially as some kind of payback against those seeking to leave such shithole countries.

Our immigration policies are more lax than first world countries. It doesn't even make any sense. It's a broken system and you want to defend it as the definitive version? WTF?

Like almost all of your nonsense, this is also objectively untrue. Tell me, what is America's inflow of immigrants as a percentage of the population and where does it rank internationally amongst developed nations?

[shosta]

https://twitter.com/AlexMohajer/status/957078762440441856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fblogs%2Fblog-briefing-room%2F371015-hillary-clinton-sends-message-of-thanks-to-activist-bitches

rofl

[HardcoreRetro]

I think I just witnessed Lou Dobbs and Sean Hannity argue on whether the Wall should be transparent.

The Emperor's new wall.

Kid: "But the emperor doesn't have a wall!"

*Trump breaks down crying*

[Kurt Russell]

Our immigration policies are more lax than first world countries. It doesn't even make any sense. It's a broken system and you want to defend it as the definitive version? WTF?

Like almost all of your nonsense, this is also objectively untrue. Tell me, what is America's inflow of immigrants as a percentage of the population and where does it rank internationally amongst developed nations?

It actually depends on how you measure it. As a % of population it's probably quite low in comparison to other first world countries, but in terms of "lax policies", Assimilate pretty much nailed it. There aren't many countries that have an (albeit limited) open door immigration policy on a par with the visa lottery - in most first world countries you have to at least be able to prove that you bring something to the table, in terms of skills, academic achievements etc. With the lottery, you get in just for being in the right place at the right time.

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Which ironically, is how Hillary got the Dem nomination

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[Phoenix Dark]

https://twitter.com/AlexMohajer/status/957078762440441856?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fblogs%2Fblog-briefing-room%2F371015-hillary-clinton-sends-message-of-thanks-to-activist-bitches

rofl

Shes starting to look like Trump

[archie4208]

Shes starting to look like Trump

Deep state shadow president confirmed. 

[benjipwns]

Don't you get tired of the shtick, benji

Like can't you got out and eat a cheeseburger

I love you but you post so goddamned much

how long does it take you to eat a cheeseburger???

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and where do you think i get my hot political scoops if not the burger king?

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[benjipwns]

Why does no one think like this? It's very hard for an American to leave the country and study for free and start working in other countries, especially other first world countries despite what progressives think. Canada has stricter more selective immigration laws than the U.S does lol.

I can't understand this common argument that because shithole countries do things in ways that are worse than our misguided endeavors, we should strive, not to be the potentially definitive nation, but instead to emulate their worst qualities. Especially as some kind of payback against those seeking to leave such shithole countries.

Our immigration policies are more lax than first world countries. It doesn't even make any sense. It's a broken system and you want to defend it as the definitive version? WTF?

god no, which is why i didn't or wouldn't

as instead, i'd rather try to make it the definitive version, by all but eliminating it, especially the xenophobic nonsense heaped onto it over the last 130 years

[agrajag]

Don't you get tired of the shtick, benji

Like can't you got out and eat a cheeseburger

I love you but you post so goddamned much

how long does it take you to eat a cheeseburger???

spoiler (click to show/hide)

and where do you think i get my hot political scoops if not the burger king?

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I learned all I need to know about Net Neutrality from the King 

[Nola]

Our immigration policies are more lax than first world countries. It doesn't even make any sense. It's a broken system and you want to defend it as the definitive version? WTF?

Like almost all of your nonsense, this is also objectively untrue. Tell me, what is America's inflow of immigrants as a percentage of the population and where does it rank internationally amongst developed nations?

It actually depends on how you measure it. As a % of population it's probably quite low in comparison to other first world countries, but in terms of "lax policies", Assimilate pretty much nailed it. There aren't many countries that have an (albeit limited) open door immigration policy on a par with the visa lottery - in most first world countries you have to at least be able to prove that you bring something to the table, in terms of skills, academic achievements etc. With the lottery, you get in just for being in the right place at the right time.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Which ironically, is how Hillary got the Dem nomination

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Nah, the program is relatively small, only applies to people from countries that aren’t already sending lots of immigrants through the normal highly competitive and restrictive immigration pathways. Excluded countries that tend to be the countries racists like Assimilate get so bent out of shape about. Even then, winners are still subject to vetting and background checks like other immigrants. And if safety is the primary concern, immigrants are far less likely to commit crimes than their native born counterparts. Recipients of the lottery, according to multiple studies, have a vastly lower incarceration rate than native born citizens. As a whole our immigrant population is increasingly educated, often on par or exceeding native born citizens when coming from many regions, and well integrated. Much of that was pointed out to Assimilate the other day before he got triggered and went off the deep end.

 If the argument is that our system is broken relatively to others because of process, you have a case(but you and I both know that isn’t the inference being made), as the failure to reform and improve the bureaucratic process leads to issues like overstayed visas and illegal immigration(though even that has been at a net negative for years now). If it is broken because of outcome and output, that couldn’t be further from the truth. America has been one of the most successful immigration countries throughout it’s history.

[Oblivion]

my read on him is that he mostly does it for himself and whether people are tired of him or not has never mattered and will never matter.

A libertarian ignoring the will of the people? Color me shocked. 

[etiolate]

lul bill kristol's twitter got hacked

[kingv]

No collusion?

https://twitter.com/krassenstein/status/957374850980597761

Exit: etiolate conveniently ignoring that the Dutch dropped an L on his head.

[shosta]

Russians signal boosting the candidate they prefer is not "collusion". They also bolstered Jill Stein and other Democratic resentfuls. The point is to undermine the other candidate.

[etiolate]

The dutch story is more claims without evidence. You may want to check the other dutch sources and the fact that it may be propaganda for a new anti-privacy surveillance bill in the Netherlands.

There's some pieces critical of the claim, one pointing towards the idiocy Russia would require to put a hacker group in a university after it had been revealed that the NSA was targeting foreign universities.

But you just have to look at the claim that the Dutch told the US about it and nothing was done to stop it for two years. Kind of suspect to just let it go on. 

I'm not placing faith in deep state claims without evidence, and the fact that this group in the Netherlands was influenced by the NSA, is trying to get a bill passed, and got their story sprung around the net quickly... raises alarms. We've been down that road. What is the claim? That Russia hacked the DNC. We've heard that claim and I asked for evidence, but instead I get the same claim from anon US and Dutch sources? Recognize a shell game when you come across one

I do appreciate that kingv laid out his corkboard, including Wiki as a Russian truth launderer.  Because the claim is that what the DNC was doing got Trump elected, which is a shoot the messenger PR spin. (When you can't even properly ID the messenger lul.)

[thehunter116]

Russians signal boosting the candidate they prefer is not "collusion". They also bolstered Jill Stein and other Democratic resentfuls. The point is to undermine the other candidate.

It's a lot more than just signal boosting though.

This also shows that wiki leaks is yet again tied to Russia. Which means Trump working with them...

[kingv]

Russians signal boosting the candidate they prefer is not "collusion". They also bolstered Jill Stein and other Democratic resentfuls. The point is to undermine the other candidate.

No, but it’s “collusion” when they tell the candidate they are doing that and then the candidate says “ok, yeah, that sounds great, but do it later in the summer”. That hasn’t 100% been nailed down in public documents, but it sure seems likely based on the Don Jr email chain, and knowing that there is 100% confirmation that Russia hacked The DNC before setting up the trump tower meeting.

And collusion, as it were, isn’t actually a crime, but that act encompasses other things that are crimes.

Also, that wasn’t what I was getting at. Etiolate often argues that Seth rich hacked the dnc because of download speeds.

[kingv]

The dutch story is more claims without evidence. You may want to check the other dutch sources and the fact that it may be propaganda for a new anti-privacy surveillance bill in the Netherlands.

There's some pieces critical of the claim, one pointing towards the idiocy Russia would require to put a hacker group in a university after it had been revealed that the NSA was targeting foreign universities.

But you just have to look at the claim that the Dutch told the US about it and nothing was done to stop it for two years. Kind of suspect to just let it go on. 

I'm not placing faith in deep state claims without evidence, and the fact that this group in the Netherlands was influenced by the NSA, is trying to get a bill passed, and got their story sprung around the net quickly... raises alarms. We've been down that road. What is the claim? That Russia hacked the DNC. We've heard that claim and I asked for evidence, but instead I get the same claim from anon US and Dutch sources? Recognize a shell game when you come across one

I do appreciate that kingv laid out his corkboard, including Wiki as a Russian truth launderer.  Because the claim is that what the DNC was doing got Trump elected, which is a shoot the messenger PR spin. (When you can't even properly ID the messenger lul.)

I would read the article where it specifically said that the Dutch warned about the dnc hack in April 2016, and the 2015 hack was about a hack into the state department.

Hoisted by your own distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Actually, you are half right. Cozy bear hacked dnc in 2015 and then again in 2016.

[Nintex]

The story makes the Russians seem fairly incompetent too.
Like a bunch of script kiddies with a camera pointed at them trying to break into the DNC and other places from across the Kremlin.
None of the Zero Days advanced cyber weapons just some good old school hacking.

Also if the US knew this, why didn't they investigate the DNC servers. The DNC didn't want the FBI to look at those servers and the FBI said: "Ok, whatever".

The Twitter Bot scare is also dumb as shit.
I mean those bots also retweet Hot Russian Tits when it's trending.
The bots are made to retweet top trending stories and then try to get people to click on bogus links for ad money or trojans or other shit.
But as the news media did nothing else but post and boost Trump stuff it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the bots retweeted anything with 'Trump' in it.
It made sense because it was good for clicks. Hell, those bots are still active. Just type in Trump on Twitter and you still see them posting daily.

The real Russian trolling was there though, the Russians posing as BLM is an hilarious example of them messing around with the election or the weird Jesus vs. Clinton pictures.

The rest was just 4chan and scammers. The media is chasing after their own tails.

[thehunter116]

The dutch story is more claims without evidence. You may want to check the other dutch sources and the fact that it may be propaganda for a new anti-privacy surveillance bill in the Netherlands.

There's some pieces critical of the claim, one pointing towards the idiocy Russia would require to put a hacker group in a university after it had been revealed that the NSA was targeting foreign universities.

But you just have to look at the claim that the Dutch told the US about it and nothing was done to stop it for two years. Kind of suspect to just let it go on. 

I'm not placing faith in deep state claims without evidence, and the fact that this group in the Netherlands was influenced by the NSA, is trying to get a bill passed, and got their story sprung around the net quickly... raises alarms. We've been down that road. What is the claim? That Russia hacked the DNC. We've heard that claim and I asked for evidence, but instead I get the same claim from anon US and Dutch sources? Recognize a shell game when you come across one

I do appreciate that kingv laid out his corkboard, including Wiki as a Russian truth launderer.  Because the claim is that what the DNC was doing got Trump elected, which is a shoot the messenger PR spin. (When you can't even properly ID the messenger lul.)

I would read the article where it specifically said that the Dutch warned about the dnc hack in April 2016, and the 2015 hack was about a hack into the state department.

Hoisted by your own distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

 

[thehunter116]

The story makes the Russians seem fairly incompetent too.
Like a bunch of script kiddies with a camera pointed at them trying to break into the DNC and other places from across the Kremlin.
None of the Zero Days advanced cyber weapons just some good old school hacking.

Also if the US knew this, why didn't they investigate the DNC servers. The DNC didn't want the FBI to look at those servers and the FBI said: "Ok, whatever".

The Twitter Bot scare is also dumb as shit.
I mean those bots also retweet Hot Russian Tits when it's trending.
The bots are made to retweet top trending stories and then try to get people to click on bogus links for ad money or trojans or other shit.
But as the news media did nothing else but post and boost Trump stuff it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that the bots retweeted anything with 'Trump' in it.
It made sense because it was good for clicks. Hell, those bots are still active. Just type in Trump on Twitter and you still see them posting daily.

The real Russian trolling was there though, the Russians posing as BLM is an hilarious example of them messing around with the election or the weird Jesus vs. Clinton pictures.

The rest was just 4chan and scammers. The media is chasing after their own tails.

A take so scorching Charles Barkley had something to say.

[benjipwns]

This also shows that wiki leaks is yet again tied to Russia.

I suppose that's one thing to read into how their bots were likely programmed to automatically RT Wikileaks posts mentioning certain things. Same as Trump's.

[thehunter116]

This also shows that wiki leaks is yet again tied to Russia.

I suppose that's one thing to read into how their bots were likely programmed to automatically RT Wikileaks posts mentioning certain things. Same as Trump's.

Eventually coincidences stop being that and are just patterns of behavior.

[kingv]

This just believes some of you dumb dumbs will always find some pizzagate level argument no matter what proof is shown to you.

Security agencies: the Russians hacked the DNC
Deniers: prove it. There’s like download speeds and nobody in Russia works in the middle of the night
Dutch: we have video tape of them while they were hacking. They were sitting in a building in the red square.
Deniers: the Russians are too good to get caught like that

It’s no skin on my back if you want to continue to believe your conspiracy theories, but understand that the circular logic you present leaves no room for any information to ever actually prove that the Russians did it, because you’re claiming that you need to see proof, but simultaneously that the Russian are so good that it can never be proven that they did it.

If true, then Not being able to prove it would suggest that if you can’t prove it, that there are high odds that it was the Russians because nobody else is that good.

[benjipwns]

I'd say the U.S. has been quite open about its opinion that any kind of leaks are to be considered a threat to national security. No need for coincidences when they right up front establish their behavior pattern.