US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[TVC15]

she's been elected to statewide office three more times than Obama, she'll have been in the Senate as long as he was, she'll be older than Obama is now in 2020

times a wastin

tbh, at the time, I was concerned they were running Obama too early, but his charisma quickly convinced me otherwise once the campaign was in full swing. I like Kampala, but I’m not sure she has Obama’s charisma.

[team filler]

I'd vote for a kennedy

https://twitter.com/PGutierrezESPN/status/958769963786936320

 

[kingv]

Ok, tomorrow, when the memo drops, and I'm in here talking about how maybe the FBI overstepped its boundaries and that we should strive to keep our institutions accountable to democratic forces... someone tell me to stfu.

I don’t know I’m planning to egg you on :-P

[kingv]

from my elite ivory tower of not getting my hands dirty through the sacrifice and hard work of voting every four years; the bigger strike to me is the history as a career prosecutor

If we get to a situation where Harris and Sanders are 1 and 2, in whatever order, “career prosecutor” will become the new Iraq War vote.

I’m going to guess that once you start pulling the strings, Kampala has some pretty ugly cases that will play poorly in a Dem primary.

Conversely, they will mean nothing against Trump.

[Tokyosandblaster]

Jack, who does more for progressive policy on a random Tuesday than anyone on this board combined, is very smart and good at his job. That's why Donald Trump is president, an openly anti-LGBT Mike Pence is VP, both the senate and the house are controlled by Republicans, and every progressive policy passed in the past 9 years is now being dismantled.

Keep up the good work, Jack.

You fucking dick, states and cities/counties exist, and that's where the best work is being done right now. Not coincidentally, that's also where my work is (and I would never, ever want to work at the federal level, fuck that shit). Right now I'm working on a project developing a strategic budget for the use of LA County Measure H funds to reduce homelessness. Last year I did economic modeling work on Universal Pre-K proposals in a couple cities. What the fuck do you do besides bash private citizen Hillary Clinton on a message board with like 30 users?

Edit: and I didn't say everyone combined. I said you and Tokyosandblaster combined.

I appreciate the work you're doing Jack. I really do. You are working in the most progressive state in the US and getting shit done. Thanks. Just think you should focus your efforts and shill for a good politician (Hillary Clinton is as much of a private citizen as Bobby Roberts is a random forum poster).

[Nintex]

Ted better keep his dad indoors there's another Kennedy on the loose

 

[Phoenix Dark]

Ugh we're gonna nominate Bernie aren't we

I'd bet money that Sanders won't win 2 primaries. Becoming the anti-establishment alternative candidate is easy when you're running against one person, and he or she is as unappealing as Hillary was. Next time the field will actually be competitive with multiple candidates who will win solid support in multiple states. Gonna be hard for him to stand out on a debate stage alongside politicians who are actually appealing on varying levels (Booker*, Harris, etc).

*I'm not a Booker fan at all, but it's safe to say he's going to have some solid support and he's a good speaker

[kingv]

I think that PD is right. Also, I think that the next round of candidates will take the stuff Bernie has been saying and incorporate it better into their campaigns than Hillary did (or at least more convincingly).

Kamala is already on that.

That’s probably good, because while I think Bernie talks about a lot of important things... Bernie as President is “ehhhhh”.

[shosta]

I'd bet money that Sanders won't win 2 primaries. Becoming the anti-establishment alternative candidate is easy when you're running against one person, and he or she is as unappealing as Hillary was. Next time the field will actually be competitive with multiple candidates who will win solid support in multiple states. Gonna be hard for him to stand out on a debate stage alongside politicians who are actually appealing on varying levels (Booker*, Harris, etc).

*I'm not a Booker fan at all, but it's safe to say he's going to have some solid support and he's a good speaker

Donald Trump.

[Phoenix Dark]

I'd bet money that Sanders won't win 2 primaries. Becoming the anti-establishment alternative candidate is easy when you're running against one person, and he or she is as unappealing as Hillary was. Next time the field will actually be competitive with multiple candidates who will win solid support in multiple states. Gonna be hard for him to stand out on a debate stage alongside politicians who are actually appealing on varying levels (Booker*, Harris, etc).

*I'm not a Booker fan at all, but it's safe to say he's going to have some solid support and he's a good speaker

Donald Trump.

To be fair, Trump had more charisma and was more entertaining than everyone in the republican debates. Sanders isn't that type of character.

[shosta]

Maybe not as entertaining but he was charismatic and commanded a devout following. You don't go from nobody to 45% of the Democratic vote without serious chutzpah.

[Nintex]

Bernie talked about the wonders of birds and the redistribution of wealth.

While Trump said he'd shoot people and not lose voters.

[Phoenix Dark]

Maybe not as entertaining but he was charismatic and commanded a devout following. You don't go from nobody to 45% of the Democratic vote without serious chutzpah.

I could have gotten 45% of the democratic vote against Hillary Clinton last year.
 

Anti-establishment, despite working at a firm
LGBT friendly 
Youth vote on lock
etc

[etiolate]

I don't understand why they don't release the memo and shut the whole charade up

[shosta]

"CNN: White House worried FBI director could quit over Nunes memo release"

Top White House aides are worried FBI Director Christopher Wray could quit if the highly controversial Republican memo alleging the FBI abused its surveillance tools is released, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation tell CNN.

Wray has not directly threatened to resign after clashing with Trump over the possible release of the memo, the source added, because that is not his style of dealing with conflict.

Just another day in the media.

[Steve Contra]

I don't understand why they don't release the memo and shut the whole charade up

They're going for maximum fuckery with this, but putting on a big bullshit spectacle is all for naught if if there's actually something in the document that causes blowback.

[Dickie Dee]

"CNN: White House worried FBI director could quit over Nunes memo release"

Top White House aides are worried FBI Director Christopher Wray could quit if the highly controversial Republican memo alleging the FBI abused its surveillance tools is released, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation tell CNN.

Wray has not directly threatened to resign after clashing with Trump over the possible release of the memo, the source added, because that is not his style of dealing with conflict.

Just another day in the media.

Him not directly issuing an ultimatum doesn't mean he wouldn't quit / WH isn't worried that he would quit. derp

[shosta]

I sincerely doubt he does. Look at all the degradation Rex Tillerson has withstood.

[Mandark]

And Tillerson's the dude who said his wife made him take the job in the first place! Imagine being that rich and spending your retirement years at a job that makes you miserable.

Though Trump seems to be doing the same thing in his own way.

[kingv]

I don't understand why they don't release the memo and shut the whole charade up

I think they know the memo is not what nearly as ironclad as they are says it is.

The fact that they
1) are not releasing and
2) everybody saying this is a gross FISA overreach also just voted for reauthorization of section 702 like 2 weeks ago.

Is basically a tacit admission of that.

They are probably scrambling to figure out how to manage through the rollout with it getting instantly obliterated.

It’s probably impossible, because you don’t even have to see the memo to realize it has massive credibility problems on its face.

To believe that it’s a DOJ overreach, you basically have to believe:

1) that  the fbi and doj is biased and falsified something
2) that trump appointees were in on this, after he was sitting as president
3) that the judge was in on it.
4) that republican members of congress knew about gross violations of the fisa process that were among the worst scandal ever, but then blocked all attempts at reform of section 702 in the reauthorization
5) that all of this happened starting in 2013, roughly three years before the Steele memo was even created.

Tying their whole case to carter page, who was under investigation and had been through at least one fisa renewal already before this one, probably not even with the same judge, and then saying “oh hey, he was mistreated as a conspiracy to get trump 2 years before he was even running for President”...

I just don’t see that holding water with the general public. They’re dumb... but no THAT dumb.

[Steve Contra]

Rick Gates' lawyers withdrew today. You have to be a real fuckup for a judge to allow your lawyers to bail.

[agrajag]

I sincerely doubt he does. Look at all the degradation Rex Tillerson has withstood.

Christopher Wray = Rex Tillerson gotcha

[Steve Contra]

One of my dreams is to see Rex Tillerson die of a heart attack in some poor country he hates and hates him before he has a chance to enjoy any of his money.

[Mandark]

Rick Gates' lawyers withdrew today. You have to be a real fuckup for a judge to allow your lawyers to bail.

Also this:

https://twitter.com/kpolantz/status/959195261632503808

[kingv]

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/959257424787136512

Steele dossier destroyed.

[Mandark]

[Joe Molotov]

tbh they probably should have left that part of the Nunes Memo redacted

[Great Rumbler]

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MRW my friend tries to explain the appeal of cuckolding to me

[benjipwns]

this new thread subtitle trend is legit fire

[benjipwns]

we're talking about government memos tho
https://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/safefree/yoo_army_torture_memo.pdf
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/02.08.01.pdf

The Pentagon Papers started as a request for a memorandum on the history of American involvement in Vietnam and wound up as 7000 pages that took up 50 boxes. (Which when the government finally agreed to release the whole set and posted it as PDF's over 40 years later, they still censored out eleven seemingly random words on the grounds of, and i apologize for the dense official legal terms here, "fuck you, that's why.")

[benjipwns]

https://www.mediaite.com/online/geraldo-to-hannity-nixon-wouldnt-have-been-forced-to-resign-if-you-were-in-media-then/

How influential does Geraldo Rivera think Sean Hannity is? So influential that he could have led to Richard Nixon serving out his second term.

Appearing on Hannity’s radio program this afternoon, Rivera wanted to praise his friend and host for raising all the questions surrounding the FBI and DOJ when it comes to the Russian investigation. After Hannity rattled off a list of issues he finds with anti-Trump bias in the probe and how the real scandals aren’t being covered, Rivera brought up Nixon.

“Nixon never would have been forced to resign if you existed in your current state back in 1972, ’73, ’74,” he told Hannity.

“I know, it’s too bad for — It’s too bad for Nixon, because nobody like you existed then. I say that because I believe that our prime responsibility now is to unshackle the 45th president of the United States.”

Rivera would go on to say that the Russia probe is now a “toothless tiger” as they’ve proven that the Steele dossier was the “fake basis” for a FISA warrant, thus negating the whole thing. He added that he just wants Trump to be “free of this.”

Listen to the clip above, via Media Matters.

[Brehvolution]

https://twitter.com/Comey/status/959197429156466689

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://twitter.com/dorseyshaw/status/959455588114685953

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Memo Released: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/read-the-gop-memo/2746/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_memolink-1219pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

[TakingBackSunday]

 

[Joe Molotov]

However, the Benji Memo remains classified. What are Bore admins covering up? Join me in fighting the Deep Forum!

[Joe Molotov]

The president told reporters in the Oval Office, “I think it’s a disgrace what’s happening in our country. A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves and much worse than that.”

Well, he’s not wrong.

[TakingBackSunday]

fucking hell rosenstein and mueller are going to get fired over bullshit like this

[Brehvolution]

It's a whole lot of nothing.gif

Absolutely nothing that wasn't previously known.

According to this, 65M have a bias against trump. Because you can't work for the government and not like the president, unless it's a Dem prez.

[kingv]

It’s actually even more dumb than I expected.

I literally could have made that up from reading newspapers and ignoring 80% of the stories on carter page and trump/Zeus’s is.

Note that the memo actually disproves it’s own premise within its own text.

It literally states that then Papadapolous information is what started the FBI counterintelligence investigation. So, in the most charitable reading of this memo, it says “look, there were legit reasons to investigate the Trump campaign for Russian ties, but this particular FISA warrant was bad”

It’s basically a “fruit of a poisoned tree” argument against the investigation. Is that REALLY where they they want to hang their hat? “We might have broken the law, but you never should have found out about it, so we’re shutting the whole thing down”

[Clockwork5]

It’s basically a “fruit of a poisoned tree” argument against the investigation. Is that REALLY where they they want to hang their hat? “We might have broken the law, but you never should have found out about it, so we’re shutting the whole thing down”

It's not even saying "you should have never found out about it."

It's more like "the wrong source was publicized at the wrong time."

[Syph]

"CNN: White House worried FBI director could quit over Nunes memo release"

Top White House aides are worried FBI Director Christopher Wray could quit if the highly controversial Republican memo alleging the FBI abused its surveillance tools is released, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation tell CNN.

Wray has not directly threatened to resign after clashing with Trump over the possible release of the memo, the source added, because that is not his style of dealing with conflict.

Just another day in the media.

I had this exact same    while reading that article lol

#releasethememo  is really a CIA conspiracy to get people to listen to more Cool Kids



im ballin did you miss the memo?

[agrajag]

Breh, he's mulling over firing Rosenstein right this moment.

[Nintex]

Trump as always doesn't give a shit and just heads out to his winter white house
https://twitter.com/tparti/status/959504608728150018

"Are you preparing the Saturday night massacre Mr. President?"
"Do you mean, am I going to let Russian bitches suck me as I play golf with your tax dollars? You better believe me."

[agrajag]

Breh, he's mulling over firing Rosenstein right this moment.

He has no cover for doing this, and certainly not for firing Mueller.

Trey Gowdy came out with a tweet like an hour ago stating that the memo did nothing to discredit Mueller's case.

He can replace Rosenstein and take a serious backlash. Meanwhile the memo completely failed in its attempt to end the Mueller probe.

Him not having a cover to do something has never stopped him before. We'll see what happens, I would be happy to be wrong.

[Nola]

Breh, he's mulling over firing Rosenstein right this moment.

He has no cover for doing this, and certainly not for firing Mueller.

Trey Gowdy came out with a tweet like an hour ago stating that the memo did nothing to discredit Mueller's case.

He can replace Rosenstein and take a serious backlash. Meanwhile the memo completely failed in its attempt to end the Mueller probe.

Him not having a cover to do something has never stopped him before. We'll see what happens, I would be happy to be wrong.

You really should get out of the prognostication business Jack.

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/TGowdySC/status/959495152770469888



I am really not ready for Trey Gowdy, Voice of Reason.

[kingv]

Fuck Trey Gowdy, I want to know what Trey Songz thinks.

[CatsCatsCats]

I keep thinking we’re talking about Trae Crowder

[ToxicAdam]

I've really been letdown by the scandals in the Trump org so far. I really expected a lot more and interesting, wacky ones.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the Clinton/Bush years, where every single month there seemed to be something new and odd.

[Mandark]

wut

[Trent Dole]

Well there's been no weird shit like puss juice sealed cigars, just grifting and high treason.

[Great Rumbler]

I've really been letdown by the scandals in the Trump org so far. I really expected a lot more and interesting, wacky ones.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the Clinton/Bush years, where every single month there seemed to be something new and odd.

 

[agrajag]

One of the prevailing theories from pundits is that the strategy is not to outright stop the investigation or fire/indict anyone but sow distrust in the public eye, try to discredit it and slow it down by litigating all sorts of technicalities.

[agrajag]

I've really been letdown by the scandals in the Trump org so far. I really expected a lot more and interesting, wacky ones.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the Clinton/Bush years, where every single month there seemed to be something new and odd.

 

It's like we live in different realities.

[Mandark]

One of the prevailing theories from pundits is that the strategy

Okay lemme stop you right there.

[thehunter116]

I've really been letdown by the scandals in the Trump org so far. I really expected a lot more and interesting, wacky ones.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the Clinton/Bush years, where every single month there seemed to be something new and odd.

[agrajag]

One of the prevailing theories from pundits is that the strategy

Okay lemme stop you right there.

Yah I know, but it makes sense based on what's happening. The pundits are not much different than guys like Jack and his deep analysis.

[thehunter116]

One of the prevailing theories from pundits is that the strategy

Okay lemme stop you right there.

Yah I know, but it makes sense based on what's happening. The pundits are not much different than guys like Jack and his deep analysis.

I can't attributed that level of intelligence to team trump.

They just released a memo which confirms not only was the entire Trumpgate investigation started not by the Dossier but with Papps but it also did this

https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/959555214566133760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23959555214566133760

 

[Great Rumbler]