US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Steve Contra]

I don't understand why they don't release the memo and shut the whole charade up

They're going for maximum fuckery with this, but putting on a big bullshit spectacle is all for naught if if there's actually something in the document that causes blowback.

[Dickie Dee]

"CNN: White House worried FBI director could quit over Nunes memo release"

Top White House aides are worried FBI Director Christopher Wray could quit if the highly controversial Republican memo alleging the FBI abused its surveillance tools is released, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation tell CNN.

Wray has not directly threatened to resign after clashing with Trump over the possible release of the memo, the source added, because that is not his style of dealing with conflict.

Just another day in the media.

Him not directly issuing an ultimatum doesn't mean he wouldn't quit / WH isn't worried that he would quit. derp

[shosta]

I sincerely doubt he does. Look at all the degradation Rex Tillerson has withstood.

[Mandark]

And Tillerson's the dude who said his wife made him take the job in the first place! Imagine being that rich and spending your retirement years at a job that makes you miserable.

Though Trump seems to be doing the same thing in his own way.

[kingv]

I don't understand why they don't release the memo and shut the whole charade up

I think they know the memo is not what nearly as ironclad as they are says it is.

The fact that they
1) are not releasing and
2) everybody saying this is a gross FISA overreach also just voted for reauthorization of section 702 like 2 weeks ago.

Is basically a tacit admission of that.

They are probably scrambling to figure out how to manage through the rollout with it getting instantly obliterated.

It’s probably impossible, because you don’t even have to see the memo to realize it has massive credibility problems on its face.

To believe that it’s a DOJ overreach, you basically have to believe:

1) that  the fbi and doj is biased and falsified something
2) that trump appointees were in on this, after he was sitting as president
3) that the judge was in on it.
4) that republican members of congress knew about gross violations of the fisa process that were among the worst scandal ever, but then blocked all attempts at reform of section 702 in the reauthorization
5) that all of this happened starting in 2013, roughly three years before the Steele memo was even created.

Tying their whole case to carter page, who was under investigation and had been through at least one fisa renewal already before this one, probably not even with the same judge, and then saying “oh hey, he was mistreated as a conspiracy to get trump 2 years before he was even running for President”...

I just don’t see that holding water with the general public. They’re dumb... but no THAT dumb.

[Steve Contra]

Rick Gates' lawyers withdrew today. You have to be a real fuckup for a judge to allow your lawyers to bail.

[agrajag]

I sincerely doubt he does. Look at all the degradation Rex Tillerson has withstood.

Christopher Wray = Rex Tillerson gotcha

[Steve Contra]

One of my dreams is to see Rex Tillerson die of a heart attack in some poor country he hates and hates him before he has a chance to enjoy any of his money.

[Mandark]

Rick Gates' lawyers withdrew today. You have to be a real fuckup for a judge to allow your lawyers to bail.

Also this:

https://twitter.com/kpolantz/status/959195261632503808

[kingv]

https://twitter.com/bad_takes/status/959257424787136512

Steele dossier destroyed.

[Mandark]

[Joe Molotov]

tbh they probably should have left that part of the Nunes Memo redacted

[Great Rumbler]

(Image removed from quote.)

MRW my friend tries to explain the appeal of cuckolding to me

[benjipwns]

this new thread subtitle trend is legit fire

[benjipwns]

we're talking about government memos tho
https://www.aclu.org/files/pdfs/safefree/yoo_army_torture_memo.pdf
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu//NSAEBB/NSAEBB127/02.08.01.pdf

The Pentagon Papers started as a request for a memorandum on the history of American involvement in Vietnam and wound up as 7000 pages that took up 50 boxes. (Which when the government finally agreed to release the whole set and posted it as PDF's over 40 years later, they still censored out eleven seemingly random words on the grounds of, and i apologize for the dense official legal terms here, "fuck you, that's why.")

[benjipwns]

https://www.mediaite.com/online/geraldo-to-hannity-nixon-wouldnt-have-been-forced-to-resign-if-you-were-in-media-then/

How influential does Geraldo Rivera think Sean Hannity is? So influential that he could have led to Richard Nixon serving out his second term.

Appearing on Hannity’s radio program this afternoon, Rivera wanted to praise his friend and host for raising all the questions surrounding the FBI and DOJ when it comes to the Russian investigation. After Hannity rattled off a list of issues he finds with anti-Trump bias in the probe and how the real scandals aren’t being covered, Rivera brought up Nixon.

“Nixon never would have been forced to resign if you existed in your current state back in 1972, ’73, ’74,” he told Hannity.

“I know, it’s too bad for — It’s too bad for Nixon, because nobody like you existed then. I say that because I believe that our prime responsibility now is to unshackle the 45th president of the United States.”

Rivera would go on to say that the Russia probe is now a “toothless tiger” as they’ve proven that the Steele dossier was the “fake basis” for a FISA warrant, thus negating the whole thing. He added that he just wants Trump to be “free of this.”

Listen to the clip above, via Media Matters.

[Brehvolution]

https://twitter.com/Comey/status/959197429156466689

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

https://twitter.com/dorseyshaw/status/959455588114685953

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Memo Released: http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/national/read-the-gop-memo/2746/?hpid=hp_rhp-top-table-main_memolink-1219pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory

[TakingBackSunday]

 

[Joe Molotov]

However, the Benji Memo remains classified. What are Bore admins covering up? Join me in fighting the Deep Forum!

[Joe Molotov]

The president told reporters in the Oval Office, “I think it’s a disgrace what’s happening in our country. A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves and much worse than that.”

Well, he’s not wrong.

[TakingBackSunday]

fucking hell rosenstein and mueller are going to get fired over bullshit like this

[Brehvolution]

It's a whole lot of nothing.gif

Absolutely nothing that wasn't previously known.

According to this, 65M have a bias against trump. Because you can't work for the government and not like the president, unless it's a Dem prez.

[kingv]

It’s actually even more dumb than I expected.

I literally could have made that up from reading newspapers and ignoring 80% of the stories on carter page and trump/Zeus’s is.

Note that the memo actually disproves it’s own premise within its own text.

It literally states that then Papadapolous information is what started the FBI counterintelligence investigation. So, in the most charitable reading of this memo, it says “look, there were legit reasons to investigate the Trump campaign for Russian ties, but this particular FISA warrant was bad”

It’s basically a “fruit of a poisoned tree” argument against the investigation. Is that REALLY where they they want to hang their hat? “We might have broken the law, but you never should have found out about it, so we’re shutting the whole thing down”

[Clockwork5]

It’s basically a “fruit of a poisoned tree” argument against the investigation. Is that REALLY where they they want to hang their hat? “We might have broken the law, but you never should have found out about it, so we’re shutting the whole thing down”

It's not even saying "you should have never found out about it."

It's more like "the wrong source was publicized at the wrong time."

[Syph]

"CNN: White House worried FBI director could quit over Nunes memo release"

Top White House aides are worried FBI Director Christopher Wray could quit if the highly controversial Republican memo alleging the FBI abused its surveillance tools is released, multiple sources with knowledge of the situation tell CNN.

Wray has not directly threatened to resign after clashing with Trump over the possible release of the memo, the source added, because that is not his style of dealing with conflict.

Just another day in the media.

I had this exact same    while reading that article lol

#releasethememo  is really a CIA conspiracy to get people to listen to more Cool Kids



im ballin did you miss the memo?

[agrajag]

Breh, he's mulling over firing Rosenstein right this moment.

[Nintex]

Trump as always doesn't give a shit and just heads out to his winter white house
https://twitter.com/tparti/status/959504608728150018

"Are you preparing the Saturday night massacre Mr. President?"
"Do you mean, am I going to let Russian bitches suck me as I play golf with your tax dollars? You better believe me."

[agrajag]

Breh, he's mulling over firing Rosenstein right this moment.

He has no cover for doing this, and certainly not for firing Mueller.

Trey Gowdy came out with a tweet like an hour ago stating that the memo did nothing to discredit Mueller's case.

He can replace Rosenstein and take a serious backlash. Meanwhile the memo completely failed in its attempt to end the Mueller probe.

Him not having a cover to do something has never stopped him before. We'll see what happens, I would be happy to be wrong.

[Nola]

Breh, he's mulling over firing Rosenstein right this moment.

He has no cover for doing this, and certainly not for firing Mueller.

Trey Gowdy came out with a tweet like an hour ago stating that the memo did nothing to discredit Mueller's case.

He can replace Rosenstein and take a serious backlash. Meanwhile the memo completely failed in its attempt to end the Mueller probe.

Him not having a cover to do something has never stopped him before. We'll see what happens, I would be happy to be wrong.

You really should get out of the prognostication business Jack.

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/TGowdySC/status/959495152770469888



I am really not ready for Trey Gowdy, Voice of Reason.

[kingv]

Fuck Trey Gowdy, I want to know what Trey Songz thinks.

[CatsCatsCats]

I keep thinking we’re talking about Trae Crowder

[ToxicAdam]

I've really been letdown by the scandals in the Trump org so far. I really expected a lot more and interesting, wacky ones.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the Clinton/Bush years, where every single month there seemed to be something new and odd.

[Mandark]

wut

[Trent Dole]

Well there's been no weird shit like puss juice sealed cigars, just grifting and high treason.

[Great Rumbler]

I've really been letdown by the scandals in the Trump org so far. I really expected a lot more and interesting, wacky ones.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the Clinton/Bush years, where every single month there seemed to be something new and odd.

 

[agrajag]

One of the prevailing theories from pundits is that the strategy is not to outright stop the investigation or fire/indict anyone but sow distrust in the public eye, try to discredit it and slow it down by litigating all sorts of technicalities.

[agrajag]

I've really been letdown by the scandals in the Trump org so far. I really expected a lot more and interesting, wacky ones.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the Clinton/Bush years, where every single month there seemed to be something new and odd.

 

It's like we live in different realities.

[Mandark]

One of the prevailing theories from pundits is that the strategy

Okay lemme stop you right there.

[thehunter116]

I've really been letdown by the scandals in the Trump org so far. I really expected a lot more and interesting, wacky ones.

Maybe I've been spoiled by the Clinton/Bush years, where every single month there seemed to be something new and odd.

[agrajag]

One of the prevailing theories from pundits is that the strategy

Okay lemme stop you right there.

Yah I know, but it makes sense based on what's happening. The pundits are not much different than guys like Jack and his deep analysis.

[thehunter116]

One of the prevailing theories from pundits is that the strategy

Okay lemme stop you right there.

Yah I know, but it makes sense based on what's happening. The pundits are not much different than guys like Jack and his deep analysis.

I can't attributed that level of intelligence to team trump.

They just released a memo which confirms not only was the entire Trumpgate investigation started not by the Dossier but with Papps but it also did this

https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/959555214566133760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23959555214566133760

 

[Great Rumbler]

[agrajag]

I am attributing at least a minimal level of intelligence to Nunes and congressional Republicans who have been playing interference since the whole thing started.

[shosta]

I am attributing at least a minimal level of intelligence to Nunes and congressional Republicans who have been playing interference since the whole thing started.

Either they have minimum requisite intelligence or they thought this was a good idea that wasn't going to blow up in their faces, mutually exclusive.

[agrajag]

I am attributing at least a minimal level of intelligence to Nunes and congressional Republicans who have been playing interference since the whole thing started.

Either they have minimum requisite intelligence or they thought this was a good idea that wasn't going to blow up in their faces, mutually exclusive.

The base is eating it up, that is all that matters to them.

[thehunter116]

https://twitter.com/kathrynw5/status/959564949252173824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23959564949252173824

Yep they colluded.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/pwnallthethings/status/959555214566133760?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html%23959555214566133760

 

Documentation of a "FISA order" or "FISA application" or "FISA court" does not serve as supporting evidence for a FOIA documentation request nor to confirmation of their existence in records. As such we cannot confirm or deny any records meeting your request. Please provide more specifics in your request as to the documents you are requesting.

This response does not indicate the existence of any records or documents available under FOIA.

[shosta]

Benji have you literally made a freedom of information act request

[benjipwns]

However, the Benji Memo remains classified. What are Bore admins covering up? Join me in fighting the Deep Forum!

Why are people trying to doxx the people listed in The Benji Memo? What's their real agenda?!?

[benjipwns]

Benji have you literally made a freedom of information act request

every six weeks i file a FOIA request for this so-called "social contract" i am claimed to have signed

[kingv]

Well there's been no weird shit like puss juice sealed cigars, just grifting and high treason.

Well there was that time the Mooch gave an interview to vanity fair coked out of his mind and started talking about how his coworker tried to suck his own dick.

[team filler]

moochie was just trying to get noticed by trump-senpai, what a queer

[agrajag]

I miss the mooch, why can't he be president? His fuckery is at least entertaining.

The mooch would legit be a better president than the overgrown oompa loompa we have now

[agrajag]

The base is eating it up, that is all that matters to them.

That's a stupid play if true.

This memo was hyped up as being something that would put Obama in prison. At the very least, the goal of the memo had to be to create political cover for Trump to fire Rosenstein. It's possible that he could do just that and not be impeached. But political cover has to extend to public opinion as well. Something like 80% of the public wants the Mueller probe to continue. Trump's approval rating will take a beating in the polls if he makes a move against Mueller, and this will just make a House and/or Senate flip in November more likely.

The memo was supposed to generate enough cover that Trump could get rid of Mueller without any electoral backlash. At least that's how it was hyped up in the right-wing circles I browse. It hasn't come close to that. If the only outcome is that people who already believed in a deep state conspiracy still believe in a deep state conspiracy, then absolutely nothing has changed with regard to the political consequences of Trump making a move against Mueller.

Uh yeah they're stupid. Was there any point to Trump's dozens of tweets about Obama wire tapping him? No, but it whipped his base into a frenzy. Same here. Look at Trump's comments about the memo from today. "This memo proves the many abuses of the FBI and the many other bad things, it is a disgrace what's happening in this country  "

[Joe Molotov]

shut up, benji

[Great Rumbler]

#shutupbenji

[shosta]

wow,  what is this, cointelpro