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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14100 on: February 02, 2018, 08:37:33 PM »
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14103 on: February 02, 2018, 09:44:39 PM »
The #benjimemo was nothing but a #benjiburger

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14104 on: February 02, 2018, 09:48:00 PM »
The #benjimemo was nothing but a #benjiburger

Does that make Benji a Cheeseburger Shark?

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14105 on: February 02, 2018, 10:08:06 PM »
Ok, I've read the memo. I'm certain there are serious and glaring omissions of fact just by reading it. There's nothing here that's interesting at all except that Steele was "suspended and then terminated" as an FBI source for his unscrupulous contacts with media, which does bother me. Tweet storm:

- Trying to discredit the Steele dossier just by saying he was paid to do it is like saying a PI's evidence is inadmissible in court. Intelligence is intelligence and the FBI can make whatever determination they want about the source.
- The memo criticizes the mention of Papadopolopolopous but does not put into context how much information was in the FISA request and how important that was (it was probably a sidenote or something irrelevant).
- Making a judgement about the Russia investigation based on a potentially dubious FISA warrant against Carter Page is really dumb, and it's going to be even more dumb when Carter Page has nothing to do with the conclusions of the investigation (considering Carter Page has not been interviewed privately by Mueller, he only testified before a grand jury).

Lastly, I already said this, but if there really was "FISA abuse", then Congress has oversight powers. And Republicans have Congress. And Trump is president. They could literally do anything they want to about this, up to and including firing all of the people involved and reforming the structures that led to this. So: do it, bitch. Fire the deputy FBI director. I dare you.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14106 on: February 02, 2018, 10:22:15 PM »
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14107 on: February 02, 2018, 10:57:41 PM »
There's nothing here that's interesting at all
just like all of your posts
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14109 on: February 02, 2018, 11:52:52 PM »
Now that’s some shit.

And he also all of a sudden starts to sound like Adam Schiff

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14110 on: February 03, 2018, 12:32:56 AM »
#lockbenjiup

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14111 on: February 03, 2018, 01:31:01 AM »
Ok, I've read the memo. I'm certain there are serious and glaring omissions of fact just by reading it. There's nothing here that's interesting at all except that Steele was "suspended and then terminated" as an FBI source for his unscrupulous contacts with media, which does bother me. Tweet storm:

- Trying to discredit the Steele dossier just by saying he was paid to do it is like saying a PI's evidence is inadmissible in court. Intelligence is intelligence and the FBI can make whatever determination they want about the source.
- The memo criticizes the mention of Papadopolopolopous but does not put into context how much information was in the FISA request and how important that was (it was probably a sidenote or something irrelevant).
- Making a judgement about the Russia investigation based on a potentially dubious FISA warrant against Carter Page is really dumb, and it's going to be even more dumb when Carter Page has nothing to do with the conclusions of the investigation (considering Carter Page has not been interviewed privately by Mueller, he only testified before a grand jury).

Lastly, I already said this, but if there really was "FISA abuse", then Congress has oversight powers. And Republicans have Congress. And Trump is president. They could literally do anything they want to about this, up to and including firing all of the people involved and reforming the structures that led to this. So: do it, bitch. Fire the deputy FBI director. I dare you.

I'll say this about Steele.

If what was stated in the testimony is true, and it would be a crime if what was stated wasn't, Steele came to Fusion with deep concern about ongoing criminal behavior that was alarming to him and prompted him to want to contact the FBI.

After a couple of contacts with the FBI, where at one point it was made aware to him that they contacted Steele back because some of his findings aligned with their own investigation and what was learned from ole Pappy. Steele also got the sense as things got closer to the election, that maybe the FBI was under-pursuing this matter or compromised in a way that concerned him, so he pulled back on dealing with them according to Simpson's testimony. Which seems to have prompted him to seek out the media as an alternative way of getting that info out there.

Everything about the narrative in full context really doesn't suggest bad faith at any point. In fact, it's hard to come up with a rational, alternative, nefarious explanation that explains all of the behavior Steele exhibited.

The right loves to use money as the evil motivator, just like with Uranium One foolishness or Mueller, but by all accounts Steele was doing quite well for himself in the private sector. So that always seemed to be a major reach.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14112 on: February 03, 2018, 01:31:31 AM »
#lockbenjiup

#releasethecommentsection

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« Reply #14113 on: February 03, 2018, 01:36:09 AM »
Whatever Steele's motives were, if they severed ties with him because he was talking to the media, that doesn't really show an FBI trying to bring down Trump for partisan reasons.

This whole thing is unsurprisingly stupid.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14114 on: February 03, 2018, 01:46:25 AM »
Whatever Steele's motives were, if they severed ties with him because he was talking to the media, that doesn't really show an FBI trying to bring down Trump for partisan reasons.

This whole thing is unsurprisingly stupid.

Unless you live in the right-wing bubble. Where Uranium One is still sort of a thing, Mueller is simultaneously conducting a partisan with hunt but is about to bust it wide open on Hillary and Obama, Seth Rich explains all of the Russia conspiracy, and Obama is a treasonous villain that attended a radical madrassa, swore in on a Koran, after swearing fealty to Jeremiah Wright while eating a burger doused with Grey Poupon.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14115 on: February 03, 2018, 01:54:25 AM »
So the memo has come and gone and we still aren't any closer to the truth in the Seth Rich cover up #therealwatergate  :hans1

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14116 on: February 03, 2018, 01:55:31 AM »
personally I am still concerned about how ACORN took down Lincoln Chafee's presidential campaign with federal funds
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14117 on: February 03, 2018, 03:52:40 AM »
#lockbenjiup

You're already locked into society  :bolo :rollsafe
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14118 on: February 03, 2018, 04:18:04 AM »
You're already locked into society  :bolo :rollsafe
isn't this the truth. you're the government's bitch whether you like it or not. conscientious objector to wars of aggression or illegal spying? tough shit, the government's got your retirement fund by the balls and funds your kids' schools. think the police you fund aren't serving your best interests or are actively harmful to your well-being? too bad, they'll lock you up for years of your life and take your right to vote away when you get out. finally established a sector of economy run by free association and market principles? the government can come in and run a "competing business" at a loss forever and run everyone else out of the market until people take it as a foregone conclusion that "only the government can efficiently administer this service"... or they pass laws to privilege their richest donors.

the government swallowed everything like the borg until it could hold your entire life hostage. and for all that's ever been said about how government helps the poor, here comes the double edged sword: only the rich retain options, while the poor are stuck with their all-encompassing leviathan.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14119 on: February 03, 2018, 04:26:39 AM »
you drunk again?

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14120 on: February 03, 2018, 04:27:43 AM »
i rediscovered painkillers
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14121 on: February 03, 2018, 05:44:36 AM »

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14122 on: February 03, 2018, 05:55:41 AM »
Twatter is apparently calling the memo a constitutional crisis showing that there's no lengths that won't be gone to to obstruct the RUSSIA investigation. :trumps
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14123 on: February 03, 2018, 09:32:53 AM »
Recently read a piece on the Mooch. An extensive interview about his WH days.

It was quite something. Trump was totally in on it. He thought The Mooch was brilliant. He had clips of his press conference play on repeat on his TV.
He told him to keep going, had made it sure that Mooch was working directly for the man himself and not Priebus. He also told everyone what Mooch was going to do. Get rid of Priebus.
Trump apparently called Priebus out for leaking in front of everybody and didn't like Bannon much either. He was totally fine with the Mooch blowing up the ship.

Kelly obviously didn't want any of that so he made the decision to get rid of the Mooch. Told him to his face that he shouldn't bother visiting Trump because the decision had already been made.
Apparently like always the Mooch is still in contact with the Donald and eyeing a comeback. According to the Mooch himself that might happen soon.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14124 on: February 03, 2018, 11:24:35 AM »
I saw the mooch on Bill Maher last night.

Apparently he is back with the wife, and appeared to not be coked up.

We need to go back!

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14125 on: February 03, 2018, 01:13:50 PM »
The Russia-Trump narrative has always been a batshit conspiracy theory embellished with golden shower fan fiction. Fuck you Christopher Steele and fuck the political campaign that paid for it.

The Democrats ran an out of touch campaign with a deeply unpopular leader, headed by a questionable man who enjoys playing dominos on cheese than on pasta. Your fault.
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14126 on: February 03, 2018, 02:03:34 PM »
The Russia-Trump narrative has always been a batshit conspiracy theory embellished with golden shower fan fiction. Fuck you Christopher Steele and fuck the political campaign that paid for it.

The Democrats ran an out of touch campaign with a deeply unpopular leader, headed by a questionable man who enjoys playing dominos on cheese than on pasta. Your fault.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14127 on: February 03, 2018, 02:18:35 PM »
The memo literally says that George Papadopoulos triggered the FBI investigation, thus confirming the NYT report
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Given how long they had, the entire thing seems sloppy. Not acknowledging that conservative $ connected to Jeb Bush started the GPS saga before the DNC picked it up makes the memo feel like little more than a partisan shot.
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« Reply #14129 on: February 03, 2018, 03:38:33 PM »


 :dead
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« Reply #14130 on: February 03, 2018, 05:32:51 PM »
haha liberals are dumb amirite?! :heh

fuck off syph
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nice man you sure showed me
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« Reply #14132 on: February 03, 2018, 07:35:50 PM »
Syph post things seriously that Benji does ironically :doge

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« Reply #14133 on: February 03, 2018, 08:11:33 PM »
Syph post things seriously that Benji does ironically :doge
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14134 on: February 03, 2018, 08:17:58 PM »
syph is the conservative thehunter116

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« Reply #14136 on: February 03, 2018, 09:18:21 PM »
syph is the conservative thehunter116

I have a soul thank you very much.  :doge

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« Reply #14137 on: February 03, 2018, 11:14:16 PM »
syph is the conservative thehunter116

I have a soul thank you very much.  :doge

No, you’re just garbage matter that will pass through countless states before ending up completely motionless and cold at the heat death of the universe.

Still better than being Hillary.  :hitler

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« Reply #14138 on: February 04, 2018, 02:05:44 AM »
holy smokes, one drive-by joke post sure stirred up some feelings in people
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« Reply #14139 on: February 04, 2018, 02:38:21 AM »
stirred up some feelings in people

If we're talking about being mad online...

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« Reply #14140 on: February 04, 2018, 02:40:58 AM »
Syph annihilated

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« Reply #14141 on: February 04, 2018, 03:29:01 AM »
 :obama

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« Reply #14142 on: February 04, 2018, 03:57:34 AM »
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14143 on: February 04, 2018, 08:53:00 AM »
https://twitter.com/reaganbattalion/status/959982534414209026

I believe this is actually a crowbcat video.

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« Reply #14144 on: February 04, 2018, 02:43:33 PM »
stirred up some feelings in people

If we're talking about being mad online...
classic tu quoque
but allllrighty then
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« Reply #14145 on: February 04, 2018, 08:16:47 PM »
lol are you really calling out logical fallacies in an argument over who is mad online

Shapiro fans  :snoop

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« Reply #14146 on: February 04, 2018, 09:37:14 PM »
it's not even an argument

"lol you guys are so mad online"
"you get mad online too"

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« Reply #14147 on: February 04, 2018, 09:52:35 PM »
it's not even an argument

"lol you guys are so mad online"
"you get mad online too"

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U mad, bro? :umad
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« Reply #14148 on: February 04, 2018, 10:03:49 PM »
it's not even an argument

"lol you guys are so mad online"
"you get mad online too"

 :yeshrug

U mad, bro? :umad

This ad hominem attack invalidates your opening argument, checkmate asshole!

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« Reply #14149 on: February 04, 2018, 10:26:37 PM »
Appeal to deez nuts bitch

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« Reply #14150 on: February 04, 2018, 10:34:56 PM »
Oh yeah, tu cock!

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« Reply #14151 on: February 04, 2018, 11:05:47 PM »
new england trumptriots lost da big game. Take that trump!
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« Reply #14152 on: February 05, 2018, 12:41:39 AM »
Carter Page has either got to be a plant/double agent or some type of social experiment.

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« Reply #14153 on: February 05, 2018, 02:48:54 AM »
Carter Page has either got to be a plant/double agent or some type of social experiment.

He was just being groomed as an organ bank for Trump, but happened to be standing in the wrong spot when they were groping around for a foreign policy adviser.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14154 on: February 05, 2018, 10:12:25 AM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-06/trump-jr-said-anti-russia-law-may-be-reviewed-moscow-lawyer-says

Old article, but I still scratch my head how people say no collusion.

Let’s review:
- DJT jr gets an email offering sort on Hillary coming straight from the Russian government, says he loves it.
- goes to meeting.
- info from above:
Quote
Looking ahead, if we come to power, we can return to this issue and think what to do about it,’’ Trump Jr. said of the 2012 law, Bloomberg cited Veselnitskaya as saying. “I understand our side may have messed up, but it’ll take a long time to get to the bottom of it.”

She also said that Trump Jr. had asked her for written proof of her claim that Ziff Brothers Investments had evaded U.S. taxes while donating heavily to Clinton and other Democratic candidates. As she didn’t have that, the meeting quickly ran into the sand, she said.
- trump successfully removes Russian sanction from party platform
- trump gets elected.
- trump starts obstructing Justice
- trump blocks Russian sanctions

Now, I don’t think Veselnitskaya is telling the 100% truth, neither is do JR, Trump, or anyone else about the situation.

But if you take her words at face value, Don Jr clearly tried to collude. The only way someone could call this “just chatting” is if you take the similarly dumb argument that Trump didn’t try to get Comey to drop the investigation into Flynn, because he asked him and didn’t order him to.

The only real question is what was Veselnitskaya lying about? Was she lying about what she offered Trump, or was she lying about what he said in response. I guess it depends if you don’t think Russia is Chaotic Evil or Lawful Evil.

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14155 on: February 05, 2018, 10:19:16 AM »
According to rightists, that Don jr meeting was actually set up by Obama to frame lil Donnie.  :doge
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14156 on: February 05, 2018, 12:46:32 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/960530665702912000

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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| The Benji Memo
« Reply #14157 on: February 05, 2018, 01:37:43 PM »
 :salute

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« Reply #14158 on: February 05, 2018, 01:57:01 PM »
https://twitter.com/behindyourback/status/960576939001044993

When you REALLY pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

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« Reply #14159 on: February 05, 2018, 02:50:27 PM »
Blogging out of your parents' basement is basically the white version of being homeless.
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