US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[benjipwns]

They won't have a chance against the J. C. Watts 2020 machine.

[benjipwns]

The Sanders/Putin/Obama conspiracy striking from the bench now:

On Friday, Judge Emmet Sullivan issued an order in United States v. Flynn that, while widely unnoticed, reveals something fascinating: A motion by Michael Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea based on government misconduct is likely in the works.

Mueller must now provide Flynn all exculpatory evidence: Significantly, if the information is favorable to Flynn but the special counsel’s office believes it is immaterial, government attorneys must nonetheless provide the evidence to Sullivan to allow him to make the call.

More and more evidence now that Obama purposely allowed 2016's Pearl Harbor/9-11 to happen and did nothing about it. Indicating he was part of the Sanders/Putin/Stein/Rice/Uranium One/Jeb! collusion probably for years.

[shosta]

lmao i didn't know this sign had been put up:
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[kingv]

The Sanders/Putin/Obama conspiracy striking from the bench now:

On Friday, Judge Emmet Sullivan issued an order in United States v. Flynn that, while widely unnoticed, reveals something fascinating: A motion by Michael Flynn to withdraw his guilty plea based on government misconduct is likely in the works.

Mueller must now provide Flynn all exculpatory evidence: Significantly, if the information is favorable to Flynn but the special counsel’s office believes it is immaterial, government attorneys must nonetheless provide the evidence to Sullivan to allow him to make the call.

More and more evidence now that Obama purposely allowed 2016's Pearl Harbor/9-11 to happen and did nothing about it. Indicating he was part of the Sanders/Putin/Stein/Rice/Uranium One/Jeb! collusion probably for years.

I thought this was a serious article until I realized they were using the memo as a source.

Edit: I read a bit more about this, and it might be the dumbest conspiracy ever.

[Phoenix Dark]

Also Jackson being that high

Fuck me. I mean, say what you want about the tenets of Indian genocide, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

[Raist]

Also Jackson being that high

Fuck me.

No.

[Joe Molotov]

Also Jackson being that high

Fuck me.

No.

I doubt you’re packing anything that’s up to PD’s standards.

[Raist]

Like any other (former) NeoGAF member, my dong is 12" long thankyouverymuch.

[Nola]

Alex Van Der Zwaan, a former attorney at an international law firm, pleaded guilty to lying to federal agents about the last time he communicated with Paul Manafort’s longtime business partner, Rick Gates. Van Der Zwaan is the latest figure swept up in Robert Mueller’s expansive probe of Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election to admit to the charges against him.

Mueller’s interest in Van Der Zwaan, who helped produce a report about a contentious trial in Ukraine at Manafort’s behest, may be a signal that the special counsel is ramping up pressure on Manafort—whose connections to Russia and high-level role on the Trump campaign could prove invaluable to Mueller’s probe.

Gates is reportedly nearing his own plea deal with Mueller, according to the Los Angeles Times, but Manafort has continued to fight the charges he faces. His uphill battle to prove his innocence, however, will get steeper with Van Der Zwaan’s guilty plea.

“Manafort is looking at 10 years in prison and is approaching 70 years of age,” said the former federal prosecutor Jeff Cramer, now managing director at Berkley Research Group. “I don’t think he wants to risk spending that time in Cellblock D. The next inquiry is what, if anything, does Manafort know with respect to the Russian contacts with the Trump transition team or administration.”

William Yeomans, a former deputy assistant attorney general who spent 26 years at the Justice Department, agreed. “Mueller wants to put enough pressure on Manafort by making his conviction appear unavoidable to convince him to plead and cooperate,” Yeomans told me. “Manafort, doubtless, has a great deal to offer regarding the campaign’s contacts with Russia.”

One month later, Mueller’s team accused Manafort and Gates of using “one of their offshore accounts to funnel $4 million to pay secretly” for the 300-page Tymoshenko report. Manafort has denied all of the charges, but  Skadden could shed more light on the extent to which Manafort was involved in hiring and paying the firm on Yanukovych’s behalf.

Van Der Zwaan’s father-in-law, Khan, owns Russia’s Alfa Bank along with Mikhail Fridman and Petr Aven. The three billionaires sued BuzzFeed News last year over its decision to publish a dossier written by the former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele that alleged, among other things, Alfa Bank’s involvement in Russia’s interference in the 2016 election.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/02/mueller-van-der-zwaan/553793/

Not that it wasn't already widely assumed, but Manafort seems fucked. Especially now that you have another person turning state's witness that can corroborate things on the financial end.

[Mandark]

Always felt like Manafort was fucked, in that his business model seemed to rely on a low level of legal scrutiny.

I hope for his sake that the dudes he owes that $17 million to are understanding about the whole situation.

[benjipwns]

Yeah, I never thought Manafort had good prospects, even had Mueller not roped his case into his purview. This is arguably good for him considering the feds will want to protect the case as the biggest fish.

What he's facing is nothing considering his history. This guy was working for Mobutu, Marcos, etc. his deals with Yanukovych were more like typical consultancy rip-offs. He has all kinds of bad loans that long predated the Ukraine stuff. He was already under FBI investigation for like two years before he joined the Trump campaign.

iirc, the feds are the one who by all accounts essentially told Trump to kick Manafort out of his campaign.

[Mandark]

There's definitely a War Dogs/Thank You For Smoking style movie in the Manafort biography.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/966098911634034688
yasss the fuckery continues.

#teamfuckery

[Nola]

Democrats just won another special election, this time in Kentucky, in a district Trump won by nearly 50 points.

It's a bit of an odd one, in that the previous winner, the Republican, apparently committed suicide after allegations of sexual assault of a 17 year old came to light, so his wife ran to replace him, and the winner, Linda Belcher, had held that same seat at one time before. So in context it's not that crazy. Still, it is the 39th special election seat since Nov 16 to flip red to blue, compared to the 5 seats that flipped blue to red.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C2MVeM2K7WgqmJw5RCQbWyTo2u73CX1pI8zw_G-7BJo/htmlview?sle=true#

[benjipwns]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/kfile-hhs-social-media-postings/

 

[Boredfrom]

Democrats just won another special election, this time in Kentucky, in a district Trump won by nearly 50 points.

It's a bit of an odd one, in that the previous winner, the Republican, apparently committed suicide after allegations of sexual assault of a 17 year old came to light, so his wife ran to replace him, and the winner, Linda Belcher, had held that same seat at one time before. So in context it's not that crazy. Still, it is the 39th special election seat since Nov 16 to flip red to blue, compared to the 5 seats that flipped blue to red.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C2MVeM2K7WgqmJw5RCQbWyTo2u73CX1pI8zw_G-7BJo/htmlview?sle=true#

I guess the voters were not thrilled of learning that they voted for a rapist.

[Brehvolution]

https://gizmodo.com/conservative-twitter-users-lose-thousands-of-followers-1823185428

 

[Mandark]

Damn millenials obsessed with social network validation.

[kingv]

New charges on Manafort... though specifics are under seal.

[Brehvolution]

Damn millenials obsessed with social network validation.

Literally mad their russian bot followers can't help them spread their bullshit. 

[Nintex]

https://gizmodo.com/conservative-twitter-users-lose-thousands-of-followers-1823185428

 

Noticed this too.

@murkyblurperNazi343 and @WashingtonGOP_er really weren't Russian bots. They were my best FRIENDS!


This is the best

[thehunter116]

Won't somebody think of the Russian Bots! 

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/966437427748462599

Just arm the teachers
 

Other than that he handled this as well as you can expect Donald Fucking Trump to handle situations like this
https://youtu.be/0-6Co6geSw8?t=2835

[FStop7]

I don't suppose anyone called him out over his son retweeting claims that those kids were paid actors.

[CatsCatsCats]

I can think of so many teachers that I would have been terrified of if they were armed

Shit, I know people my age who teach that definitely should not be armed

[Nintex]

Don't worry, there will be armed veterans fucked up from 4 tours in Iraq to shoot the teacher should anything go wrong
https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/966436343961268225

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

How about we just cut the training middleman and just only employ hunters or gun hobbyists as teachers from now on?

[Nintex]

How about we just cut the training middleman and just only employ hunters or gun hobbyists as teachers from now on?

How about just legalizing battle royale Fridays so everyone gets an equal opportunity to kill each other.

[Phoenix Dark]

So will the teachers have to buy their own gun (alongside other school supplies  ), or will they be provided for by the school? If a teacher accidentally shoots a student, is the school liable? Is the state liable? Who pays for the training?

There are hundreds of schools in the nation that struggle providing basic amenities like...heat, air conditioning and water. And you would have me believe they can provide guns, ammunition, and self defense training to teachers? Or that congress, which regularly cuts education funding, is going to provide it?

[Boredfrom]

I love that they ended it when the Sandy Hook parent spoke on how useless was the arming the teachers.

Arming teachers is such a moronic idea.

That said, at least Trump had the good sense of not namedroping political opponents.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/966115261282639872

wat

[CatsCatsCats]

Why not just line the walls of the school with guns and ammo, that way anyone can help

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Another idea I had was making it a requirement for students to wear shock collars that are controller by the administration staff and if a school shooter is detected they can activate it for all students until the police get there and figure out what is happening.

So will the teachers have to buy their own gun (alongside other school supplies  ), or will they be provided for by the school? If a teacher accidentally shoots a student, is the school liable? Is the state liable? Who pays for the training?

There are hundreds of schools in the nation that struggle providing basic amenities like...heat, air conditioning and water. And you would have me believe they can provide guns, ammunition, and self defense training to teachers? Or that congress, which regularly cuts education funding, is going to provide it?

If teachers want to continue to be employed they should pay out of their own pockets to get gun training, guns, and ammo. No more free rides for public school teachers!!!

[Boredfrom]

Does he think everyone is fucking Deadshoot and being able to kill someone with a automatic rifle with a handgun?

[seagrams hotsauce]

If only teachers were armed when Trump was smacking them around as a youth

[shosta]

Let me be as serious as I possibly can. I am not willing to risk the long term psychological, social, and even ethical development of students for the small possibility of preventing a mass shooting by turning their place of growth and learning into a mass surveillance prison system. It is terrifying to me in the deepest sense. What kind of damage are you doing to people by instilling in them on a daily basis that their lives are in danger at every second?

[seagrams hotsauce]

What are you referring to?

[shosta]

Nintex's tweet.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Does he think everyone is fucking Deadshoot and being able to kill someone with a automatic rifle with a handgun?

I'm pretty sure he got Navy Seal level training when he created Trump Guns™ ("The World's Greatest Guns"). I want to go back to the pre-Obama America where I could walk into a Sharper Image and buy a gun without a background check.

Let me be as serious as I possibly can. I am not willing to risk the long term psychological, social, and even ethical development of students for the small possibility of preventing a mass shooting by turning their place of growth and learning into a mass surveillance prison system. It is terrifying to me in the deepest sense.

Since they'll be living in a mass surveillance prison system when they grow up, shouldn't we be preparing them for the real world?

[Rufus]

Let me be as serious as I possibly can. I am not willing to risk the long term psychological, social, and even ethical development of students for the small possibility of preventing a mass shooting by turning their place of growth and learning into a mass surveillance prison system. It is terrifying to me in the deepest sense. What kind of damage are you doing to people by instilling in them on a daily basis that their lives are in danger at every second?

One where people will talk about anything but limiting access to firearms, I guess.

[Nintex]

Let me be as serious as I possibly can. I am not willing to risk the long term psychological, social, and even ethical development of students for the small possibility of preventing a mass shooting by turning their place of growth and learning into a mass surveillance prison system. It is terrifying to me in the deepest sense. What kind of damage are you doing to people by instilling in them on a daily basis that their lives are in danger at every second?

They're just training them for the dystopian corporate office spaces of the future.

[Mandark]

"Give guns to teachers" is a straight-up galaxy brain meme idea.

[shosta]

They're just training them for the dystopian corporate office spaces of the future.

You joke, but, even if it's not intentional and I don't think it is, administrators are totally priming an entire generation of people for things that would be totally unthinkable to us now. I don't know if people remember the cold war drills in schools but even those weren't as bad as this. And in fact we've maintained cold war drills in the absence of nuclear threat by renaming them to earthquake drills and school shooter drills which were really communist invasion drills. Want to know the origin of school drills? Read about this mock Soviet insurrection and you'll figure it out.
http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/local/columnists/on-wisconsin-communism-for-a-day-a-may-day-remembered/article_3d4b3e75-1649-5396-b682-3c192509dd83.html
So, you know, don't underestimate the school as a place for indoctrination. Or conditioning. Or dehumanization.

[seagrams hotsauce]

I think teenagers would have to actually give a shit about anything their school administration tells them before that kind of line of propaganda would move the needle towards indoctrinating the youth of America. And not for nothing, but many high schools can be pretty dehumanizing already, and that's without the budget to blow on useless paranoiac fantasy bullshit like in that NBC video.

[Boredfrom]

Eh, we have earthquakes drills here. They are useful.

[Phoenix Dark]

And when the first (probably black) teacher gets shot by SWAT, who didn't know he was a Good Guy With A Gun instead of the school shooter, I look forward to Dana Loesch explaining why he'd still be alive if he had simply followed the proper techniques of "having a gun out when SWAT is in the area."

[Mandark]

And when the first (probably black) teacher gets shot by SWAT, who didn't know he was a Good Guy With A Gun instead of the school shooter, I look forward to Dana Loesch explaining why he'd still be alive if he had simply followed the proper techniques of "having a gun out when SWAT is in the area."

Or the first time a teacher panics and shoots a kid, cause they think they're reaching for something.

Been told for the last five years that police shootings are split-second life-or-death decisions made under extreme duress, that even with the use of weapons being an integral part of their training and profession it is still so difficult that they should almost never be punished for fucking up. The same people are now suggesting we arm and essentially deputize the entire workforce of teachers and that it will be fine, cause they'll have a 16 hour handgun safety course or whatever.

[Great Rumbler]

Arming the teachers is a great idea, since now school shooters won't even have to bring their own gun they can just beat up a teacher and take theirs!

[Joe Molotov]

Don’t worry, it’s not like they’re gonna give schools the money to actually pay for this dumbass idea.

[I'm a Puppy!]

Look, you want some gun control? The answer is simple. Have a few black guys go on a mass shooting spree white boy style. The moment that starts happening regularly, boom, you get gun control laws.

[shosta]

A black guy killed five police officers in Dallas during a peaceful BLM demonstration of all things and they passed a law letting people carry guns onto college campuses.

[I'm a Puppy!]

A black guy killed five police officers in Dallas during a peaceful BLM demonstration of all things and they passed a law letting people carry guns onto college campuses.

Let me qualify that.

Schools or Country music or conservative gatherings. Trust me, enough of these from black guys even the NRA is going to be like "Well....maybe we don't really need those AR-15s"

[Mupepe]

A black guy killed five police officers in Dallas during a peaceful BLM demonstration of all things and they passed a law letting people carry guns onto college campuses.

Not that I disagree with the suggestion that they’re crazy but campus carry was signed into law over a year before the Dallas shootings.

[Mandark]

https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/966486247433818112

[kingv]

Remember that dumb mother fucker that was standing outside of the schools pretending to be a marine after Sandy Hook to protect his school?

[Phoenix Dark]

Rubio

[Phoenix Dark]

Listening to this town hall, Dana Loesch is claiming that the NRA fully supports the Baker Act and other means of preventing mentally ill people from acquiring a gun strikes me as ducktales. I can't fathom conservatives supporting the ability of the state to visit your home, arrest you, take you to a state run institution to be mentally evaluated, and then take away your guns based on the decision of that institution.

[Nola]

The NRA has been playing that game for decades now it seems.

"We support the law, why don't people enforce the laws on the books?!!"......"Are people done looking? Now hold my gun while we push these pieces of legislation through our subservient reps that undercut the enforcement capability of the laws on the books."

...Oh ATF? You have 370,000 inquiries to trace the registration origin of a firearm requested by local law enforcement officers? Ok, lets cap your budget so you have enough for only 50 employees(fight to the death if you try to add much additional funding) and lets see how you do without any sort of searchable database. If they deviate even a slight smidgen from that ridiculous forced beuracracy, you get assholes like Andrew Napolitano riling up the nutters about the ATF collecting a master list and coming for your guns if Hillary is elected. Which the NRA then uses to pass around their mailing list. But sure, they support all the laws on the books.

[Himu]

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1673106006090212&id=267418773793101

[Tasty]

https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1673106006090212&id=267418773793101

OK, so go vote conservative...