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[Nintex]

Jack:

Texas has open primary but I must choose a party and unfortunately I’m registered Democrat.

http://www.ontheissues.org/TX/Beto_O%60Rourke.htm

Beto:

Negatives:

Pro-abortion
Supports Dream act
Beto on guns: “Universal background checks, scrutinizing concealed carry reciprocity for states that don’t have laws that are as stringent as Texas, and allowing the Centers for Disease Control to study gun violence is critical, O’Rourke said.”

Positive:

Good civil rights record
Good stance on environment
Raise minimum Texas wage to 10 dollars

No thank you.

Ted:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Ted_Cruz.htm

Negatives:

- anti-lgbt
- voted no on violence against women act
- pro-death penalty calling into question his seriousness of his pro-life stance. Definitely not a Catholic.
- climate change denial for corporation masturbation

Positives:

- anti-abortion
- would not bail out the banks
- fiscal conservative
- economic affirmation action
- school choice



Neither.

Vote for fuckery, vote Republican

Gib Trump more Republican votes for his insane ideas

[Himu]

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/23/ted-deutch/did-mass-shootings-increase-200-percent-assault-we/

[Great Rumbler]

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/23/ted-deutch/did-mass-shootings-increase-200-percent-assault-we/

I picked out the relevant bit:

Nonetheless, mass public shootings have become deadlier over the last decade, as the number of victims shot and killed has increased since the expiration of the assault weapons ban, Duwe said.

[Nintex]

That piece is quite something.

"Well more people died but population increased"
"It wasn't actually 200% but 183%"
"We shouldn't draw conclusions really"
"Maybe you should start by looking at the year 1900"

 

[Boredfrom]

Yup jokes on me. 

You've proven that Interacting with you is a waste of one's time.

Welp. Even in your worst moments I have tried to listen to your point of view. Is frustrating because I think you are smarter than most people here give you the credit for.

[Himu]

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/23/ted-deutch/did-mass-shootings-increase-200-percent-assault-we/

I picked out the relevant bit:

Nonetheless, mass public shootings have become deadlier over the last decade, as the number of victims shot and killed has increased since the expiration of the assault weapons ban, Duwe said.

Nice cherry pick.

Right after:

“It’s also worth noting that there isn’t an universally accepted definition for mass shootings.”

It’s reasonable to question what a mass shooting well and truly is.

After all...

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/23/philip-levine/14-schools-shootings-2010-florida-not-really/

[Tasty]

Cindi will be a Sandy Hook truther in less than a year, calling it.

[brawndolicious]

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/23/ted-deutch/did-mass-shootings-increase-200-percent-assault-we/

I picked out the relevant bit:

Nonetheless, mass public shootings have become deadlier over the last decade, as the number of victims shot and killed has increased since the expiration of the assault weapons ban, Duwe said.

Nice cherry pick.

Right after:

“It’s also worth noting that there isn’t an universally accepted definition for mass shootings.”

It’s reasonable to question what a mass shooting well and truly is.

After all...

http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2018/feb/23/philip-levine/14-schools-shootings-2010-florida-not-really/

Those are ALL school shootings. The problem with guns is that it makes the intention to commit violence MORE deadly. It does not change the reason people hurt each other.

Go read about all those stabbing sprees in China where one guy stabs like a dozen people and no one dies. Let that same type of guy get a gun with high capacity magazines and the result will be different.

Also dreamers don't mean shit as far as incidence drunk driving. That's a seriously glib, fucked up lesson to take away from your loss.

And lastly how the fuck are gun laws supposed to change if the government doesn't have a study that gives hard facts on which gun control ideas actually make sense. The CDC is consistently pushed around and has funding cut whenever they've published something that goes against the ideals of the party on power. Notably by Republicans who love guns and supposedly love abstinence. You want to have politicians removed from having any authority over the agency, or give the research grant to a university (which is obviously going to be liberal leaning anyways), then fine that's cool.

[Himu]

Those weren’t all school shootings by the standard definition.

As we know, Democrats have a tendency to lie and use made up or padded stats when it comes to mass shootings.

After all...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shooting-in-2018-that-number-is-flat-wrong/2018/02/15/65b6cf72-1264-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.1a8587cc15ee

Democrats love talking about how unsafe America is and how common mass shootings are when they used with scant evidence even when their own cities burn with gang crime. When you get to define the terms, a school shooting is considered one even if it’s a suicide on an abandoned elementary school parking lot.

Juke the stats. It’s okay. We won’t check.

Also I literally said universities should be doing this. I think it should be a coalition of bipartisan support made by the cdc in addition to crime scientists, and universities.

Cindi will be a Sandy Hook truther in less than a year, calling it.

Ha!

No. That was real and a complete travesty.

[Tasty]

As we know, Democrats have a tendency to lie and use made up or padded stats when it comes to mass shootings.

Yes, yes, only Democrats lie...

[Joe Molotov]

As we know, Democrats have a tendency to lie and use made up or padded stats when it comes to mass shootings.

[Himu]

Not one but FOUR officers stood outside while this was happening. But guns, the NRA, and fucking bat shit are the problem. Rely on these people, liberals say. “Call the police!” when shit hits the fan. And of course this comes out after the town hall. The lesson? You only have yourself to rely on. The state, the police, will not protect you. Heaven forbid if you live in a black neighborhood. But don’t worry. You’re just crazy for wanting guns for self defense. You’re crazy for being the least bit skeptical regarding agencies. Great advertisement for conservatism and self reliance tbh. These police as well as the sheriff should all resign. The four officers should be charged with accessory for murder. Not a shock the sheriff is focusing so much on guns. And these people called Dana a murderer. Police have my respect, but they have no obligation to protect you.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html?sr=twCNNp022318parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies0436PMStory&CNNPolitics=Tw

[TakingBackSunday]

Splitting hairs about what defines mass shootings is a disgusting misread of the fucking point.

Children are being terrorized in schools.  Shootings occurring in schools IN ANY CAPACITY is a fucking nightmare.

Restrict access to guns, have better security measures, make sure mentally unstable people are taken care of.  ALL of this needs to fucking happen.

[thehunter116]

 

You know what would have prevented so many deaths?

Not being able to buy an M-16 knockoff designed to kill multiple people.

For both this and Vegas.

[thehunter116]

Splitting hairs about what defines mass shootings is a disgusting misread of the fucking point.

Children are being terrorized in schools.  Shootings occurring in schools IN ANY CAPACITY is a fucking nightmare.

Restrict access to guns, have better security measures, make sure mentally unstable people are taken care of.  ALL of this needs to fucking happen.

Nah the answer is more guns.


You know what will stop that heroin epidemic? Give the doctors guns. 

[thehunter116]

Doctors owning guns would be the most American thing. The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away.
🇲🇾🇲🇾🇲🇾

The heckler and koch oath. 

[Great Rumbler]

As we know, Democrats have a tendency to lie and use made up or padded stats when it comes to mass shootings.

(Image removed from quote.)

[sphagnum]

Not one but FOUR officers stood outside while this was happening. But guns, the NRA, and fucking bat shit are the problem. Rely on these people, liberals say. “Call the police!” when shit hits the fan. And of course this comes out after the town hall. The lesson? You only have yourself to rely on. The state, the police, will not protect you. Heaven forbid if you live in a black neighborhood. But don’t worry. You’re just crazy for wanting guns for self defense. You’re crazy for being the least bit skeptical regarding agencies. Great advertisement for conservatism and self reliance tbh. These police as well as the sheriff should all resign. The four officers should be charged with accessory for murder. Not a shock the sheriff is focusing so much on guns. And these people called Dana a murderer. Police have my respect, but they have no obligation to protect you.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/23/politics/parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies/index.html?sr=twCNNp022318parkland-school-shooting-broward-deputies0436PMStory&CNNPolitics=Tw

So who should've had guns in this scenario, the teachers (who don't want them) or the students (who are too young)?

[agrajag]

The answer is everyone. Everyone should have guns. The more guns we have the safer we will feel.

[Himu]

Who said anything about anyone inside the school itself having guns? I’m not a dumbass NRA’er. Stop stereotyping gun owners. You sound ridiculous. There were four officers who didn’t rush in after the first gunshot. Absolute negligence. But trust them to do their jobs. Right.

[thehunter116]

The answer is everyone. Everyone should have guns. The more guns we have the safer we will feel.

Pets need love guns too!

[agrajag]

But trust Mrs. Armstrong the algebra teacher to be the gun slinging hero in a situation that has actual cops running away 

[sphagnum]

Who said anything about anyone inside the school itself having guns? I’m not a dumbass NRA’er. Stop stereotyping gun owners. You sound ridiculous. There were four officers who didn’t rush in after the first gunshot. Absolute negligence. But trust them to do their jobs. Right.

When did I stereotype gun owners? Your post said "You only have yourself to rely on. The state, the police, will not protect you." Which sounded to me like you were saying people in the school would have to be looking out for themselves.

I'm not even against guns! Kind of hard to be as a communist.

[Himu]

I have never claimed that all people should be armed. I only ever argued for personal choice.

This is why nothing gets done. You have stereotyped an entire perspective into a world view so narrow, that you think anyone who is pro-gun thinks of Fox talking points. Where opinions are misrepresented by your bullshit to joke at. I say there are four officers at the scene who didn’t do their jobs and you think I care who in the school was armed? Exactly being pro-gun has drastically pushed me more to the right. A point should be understood but the left just mocks because you have a stereotype to affix.

It’s like you’re playing a game of telephone where statements get twisted and distorted because you view anyone pro gun as the enemy.

[Himu]

Who said anything about anyone inside the school itself having guns? I’m not a dumbass NRA’er. Stop stereotyping gun owners. You sound ridiculous. There were four officers who didn’t rush in after the first gunshot. Absolute negligence. But trust them to do their jobs. Right.

When did I stereotype gun owners? Your post said "You only have yourself to rely on. The state, the police, will not protect you." Which sounded to me like you were saying people in the school would have to be looking out for themselves.

I'm not even against guns! Kind of hard to be as a communist.

Fuck no! I’m talking in general. If the police cannot rush inside to help children inside a damn school when gun shots are going off how in the FUCK are they going to protect you if you’re being robbed or in some other situation?

I said nothing of armed teachers or students. That is YOUR assumption.

[bluemax]

The answer is everyone. Everyone should have guns. The more guns we have the safer we will feel.

Yup.

[sphagnum]

Who said anything about anyone inside the school itself having guns? I’m not a dumbass NRA’er. Stop stereotyping gun owners. You sound ridiculous. There were four officers who didn’t rush in after the first gunshot. Absolute negligence. But trust them to do their jobs. Right.

When did I stereotype gun owners? Your post said "You only have yourself to rely on. The state, the police, will not protect you." Which sounded to me like you were saying people in the school would have to be looking out for themselves.

I'm not even against guns! Kind of hard to be as a communist.

Fuck no! I’m talking in general. If the police cannot rush inside to help children inside a damn school when gun shots are going off how in the FUCK are they going to protect you if you’re being robbed or in some other situation?

I said nothing of armed teachers or students. That is YOUR assumption.

Well, I misread your post then. Like I said, I'm not anti-gun as a general rule.

But at the same time, knowing that there's a 0.001% chance of the proletariat waging a successful revolution against the US military  and that if the material conditions in the country degenerated to such a point that revolution would be in the air anyway the legality of weaponry wouldn't really matter, I'm fine with further restricting access to some weapons that would help prevent these kinds of senseless slaughters.

[thehunter116]

Why does the left wanting assault style weapons banned = all guns.


Please show me that leap in logic.

[sphagnum]

I'm in favor of gun control if it means communists control the guns.

[thehunter116]

I'm in favor of gun control if it means communists control the guns.

Wouldn't only one group having the weapons cause unease and friction?

[sphagnum]

I'm in favor of gun control if it means communists control the guns.

Wouldn't only one group having the weapons cause unease and friction?

That's what the gulag is for, duh

[thehunter116]

I'm in favor of gun control if it means communists control the guns.

Wouldn't only one group having the weapons cause unease and friction?

That's what the gulag is for, duh

 

[etiolate]

WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT CHILDREN BEING KILLED

I DON'T THINK WE'VE MENTIONED THAT

CHILDREN TERRORIZED

ALL OF THEM

WE NEED TO DO MARCH MORE

[brawndolicious]

Those weren’t all school shootings by the standard definition.

As we know, Democrats have a tendency to lie and use made up or padded stats when it comes to mass shootings.

After all...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shooting-in-2018-that-number-is-flat-wrong/2018/02/15/65b6cf72-1264-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.1a8587cc15ee

Democrats love talking about how unsafe America is and how common mass shootings are when they used with scant evidence even when their own cities burn with gang crime. When you get to define the terms, a school shooting is considered one even if it’s a suicide on an abandoned elementary school parking lot.

Juke the stats. It’s okay. We won’t check.

Also I literally said universities should be doing this. I think it should be a coalition of bipartisan support made by the cdc in addition to crime scientists, and universities.

That's impossible. The problem is the CDC cannot do that research due to political fuckery.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/06/cdc-congress-research-gun-violence-public-health

Which is why it makes sense for a politician to campaign against political fuckery. You don't need to rail against the CDC being corrupted by the party in power unless you find something actually wrong with their methodology.

Not the methodology used by liberal media who at most would spend a couple weeks gathering some numbers to publish a story while a mass shooting is still relevant.

On that note, nobody should give a fuck about mass shootings. They are not a threat you can worry about in real life due to how few people actually die from them. You have an orders of magnitude greater chance of being killed by your spouse using a small caliber handgun.

Who said anything about anyone inside the school itself having guns? I’m not a dumbass NRA’er. Stop stereotyping gun owners. You sound ridiculous. There were four officers who didn’t rush in after the first gunshot. Absolute negligence. But trust them to do their jobs. Right.

Unless you're an actual combat veteran, I would expect most people who have a gun in that situation to look out for themselves. Those thousand or so kids in your typical school should not expect anybody to come save them no matter how well-armed the populace is. The issue is with giving guns to everybody without a proper background check system.

Personally, the best gun control I would hope for is magazine size limits. No reason for a rifle to ever hold more than 5 rounds as far sporting uses. And maybe 10 rounds for handguns as they have only a self-defense use but to own one should require training, permits, waiting period (for suicide risks) and have a government database similar to vehicle titles.

[Himu]

Why does the left wanting assault style weapons banned = all guns.


Please show me that leap in logic.

Because many say things like they want all semi autos banned when all modern guns are semi auto besides revolvers. Because there’s literally no difference between an “assault” style and a regular hunting rifle with the same caliber. Because many actually want to ban all guns.

Brawn: I will never agree on gun control with someone from California. Five round magazines for a rifle is robbery. Rifle deaths make a blip in the amount of gun deaths. Yet you want to limit that to five while handguns - the weapon of choice of most murders including many mass shootings - stays at 10 its usual default capacity? Your idea not only is not based on reality but around fear and lack of knowledge in gun data. It also punishes law abiding citizens because of criminals.

From a liberal news source:

There have been at least 267 incidents involving assault-style rifles in 2016, including reported weapons thefts, crimes in which the guns were brandished, arrests for illegal possession and other legal interventions in which they weren't fired.

Those deaths account for about 2 percent of the 6,153 gun deaths and less than 1 percent of the 12,560 gun injuries the Gun Violence Archive has counted so far this year. This tally consists largely of homicides and assaults, but also includes suicides that were part of a murder-suicide. It also counts accidental deaths, the majority of which involve handguns, not rifles.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/assault-weapons-deaths_us_5763109de4b015db1bc8c123

Why the focus on “assault weapons” then Brawn? Let me remind you.



If you ban “assault rifles” you might as well ban all hunting rifles. Oh, but lots of farmers and others use those for their livelihood like protecting their farm from wolves. But let’s give them only five cartridge magazines even though the amount of rifle deaths is very small (as awful as it is) because criminals used it for murder, right? Now you’ve run into a pickle. And that’s why you don’t listen to anyone from California on guns.

https://www.quora.com/Are-liberals-mistaken-by-claiming-hunting-rifles-are-different-from-assault-weapons-like-the-AR-15

Defending the cops for not going in is ridiculous. “Anyone not trained in the military?” You become a cop, you wear the uniform, you do your job. But...reminder. In America cops are not obligated to help you. Protect and serve is merely a motto. They are there to protect property and communities. So hey, maybe you’re right. Maybe we shouldn’t rely on cops. I completely agree.

More thorough background checks including mental health. More mental health funding. Boom.

[Himu]

I'm in favor of gun control if it means communists control the guns.

Given the communists I know and their propensity for censoring others and shushing dissent or criticism, I sure hope not. Picking up a shovel for my trip to the gulag.

[thehunter116]

The assault rifle is the gun modeled after military grade weaponry.

People don't need to be firing 7.62mm and 5.56mm with high capacity mags and high cyclic rate/RoF.

You don't need those types of weapons to defend yourself. There is a specific definition for those types of guns (which by the way, no hunter needs to use m-14s).

[Nola]

Because many say things like they want all semi autos banned when all modern guns are semi auto besides revolvers. Because there’s literally no difference between an “assault” style and a regular hunting rifle with the same caliber. Because many actually want to ban all guns.

Except there is. Source 2

But like everything else in the last 48 hours, you are not interested in having honest discussions with anyone, and you are honestly proving yourself not knowledgable enough to be taken seriously. So i'm just hoping this drawn out confirmation bias exercise to rationalize this gun fetish of yours is getting close to wrapping up, because at this point I am longing for the days of late night 1,000 word thesis on the foreign policy genius of Christopher Hitchens.

[Himu]

Because many say things like they want all semi autos banned when all modern guns are semi auto besides revolvers. Because there’s literally no difference between an “assault” style and a regular hunting rifle with the same caliber. Because many actually want to ban all guns.

Except there is. Source 2

But like everything else in the last 48 hours, you are not interested in having honest discussions with anyone, and you are honestly proving yourself not knowledgable enough to be taken seriously. So i'm just hoping this drawn out confirmation bias exercise to rationalize this gun fetish of yours is getting close to wrapping up, because at this point I am longing for the days of late night 1,000 word thesis on the foreign policy genius of Christopher Hitchens.

Bullshit.

That’s your source? That AR is designed to be efficient to kill? All guns are designed to kill efficiently. You go about this rant about how I’m not interested in dialogue? What the fuck are you you talking about? AR and semi auto hunting rifles USE THE SAME CALIBER. I’m not knowledgeable about it? So you use two sources from a trauma team surgeon?

You’re going to have to do better than that.

You say I have a gun fetish but you have a vendetta against guns. I don’t have a gun fetish at all. All I see liberal SCREECHING.

Prove me wrong. Show me ACTUAL SOURCES THAT ANALYZE MECHANISM OF THE GUN RATHER THAN ANECDOTAL MUSINGS FROM DOCTORS. AR’s are efficient at killing? No shit. And that still doesn’t change the fact that there are hunting rifles and AR’s with literally the same caliber with the same design with the same magazine load out you bumbling cherry picking fuck

[Himu]

I just re-read your source and it’s fucking pathetic. It mentions NOTHING OF HUNTING RIFLES. It specifically compares AR to HANDGUNS. My statement was that there’s literally no difference between an AR platform rifle and a semi auto hunting rifle. That is straight up FACTS. Find data to prove me wrong. But you can’t! Because you need to pull out awful sources out of your Mardis Gras ravaged ass.

I just checked the second source. AGAIN. It mentions nothing of hunting rifles you disengeous fuck. It specifically compares to HANDGUNS.

Let’s roll back a bit shit for brains.

Because there’s literally no difference between an “assault” style and a regular hunting rifle with the same caliber.

Here’s your article. Ah here it is.

The standard AR-15 bullet, as previously stated, carries kinetic energy of 1300 foot pounds; a typical hunting rifle bullet has between 2600 and 4000 foot pounds, meaning it has greater recoil. The excessive recoil of a hunting rifle precludes rapid firing on target, because of the obligatory motion of the gun and its impact on the shooter.

This depends on the gun, caliber, and the weight of the gun. This is straight duck tales.

And that’s literally ALL you have?

[seagrams hotsauce]

Imagine thinking black people arming themselves en masse wouldn't result in widespread gun control again

[thehunter116]

I mean...all a hunter needs is a high powered bolt action.

Why the hell do they need m-16s?

[thehunter116]

Because many say things like they want all semi autos banned when all modern guns are semi auto besides revolvers. Because there’s literally no difference between an “assault” style and a regular hunting rifle with the same caliber. Because many actually want to ban all guns.

Except there is. Source 2

But like everything else in the last 48 hours, you are not interested in having honest discussions with anyone, and you are honestly proving yourself not knowledgable enough to be taken seriously. So i'm just hoping this drawn out confirmation bias exercise to rationalize this gun fetish of yours is getting close to wrapping up, because at this point I am longing for the days of late night 1,000 word thesis on the foreign policy genius of Christopher Hitchens.

Bullshit.

That’s your source? That AR is designed to be efficient to kill? All guns are designed to kill efficiently. You go about this rant about how I’m not interested in dialogue? What the fuck are you you talking about? AR and semi auto hunting rifles USE THE SAME CALIBER. I’m not knowledgeable about it? So you use two sources from a trauma team surgeon?

You’re going to have to do better than that.

You say I have a gun fetish but you have a vendetta against guns. I don’t have a gun fetish at all. All I see liberal SCREECHING.

Prove me wrong. Show me ACTUAL SOURCES THAT ANALYZE MECHANISM OF THE GUN RATHER THAN ANECDOTAL MUSINGS FROM DOCTORS. AR’s are efficient at killing? No shit. And that still doesn’t change the fact that there are hunting rifles and AR’s with literally the same caliber with the same design with the same magazine load out you bumbling cherry picking fuck

While this is true, they don't necessarily use the same cyclic rate, velocity, magazine or type/grain/length of bullet.

Which is a key factor for those of us who want certain guns "banned". You don't need m16 styled(design, not just aesthetics) weapons for any reason other than "it looks cool".

[Himu]

Imagine thinking black people arming themselves en masse wouldn't result in widespread gun control again

Imagine being a liberal who claims to care about black people and uses arguments like this to actually win over black people. Never mind that very thing has been happening with black women being the largest buyer of guns. But no one on the right is pushing for gun control measures to stop “the blacks”. This mentality is exactly why I’ve left the party.

I mean...all a hunter needs is a high powered bolt action.

Why the hell do they need m-16s?

AR is not an m-16. M16 was an adaptation of the AR15. M16 and M4 are military. AR-15 and ar-10 are for civilians. M16 fires a 5.56 mm. In other words, Full. Metal. Jacket. and who are you to say,”all a hunter needs is ____?”

Because many say things like they want all semi autos banned when all modern guns are semi auto besides revolvers. Because there’s literally no difference between an “assault” style and a regular hunting rifle with the same caliber. Because many actually want to ban all guns.

Except there is. Source 2

But like everything else in the last 48 hours, you are not interested in having honest discussions with anyone, and you are honestly proving yourself not knowledgable enough to be taken seriously. So i'm just hoping this drawn out confirmation bias exercise to rationalize this gun fetish of yours is getting close to wrapping up, because at this point I am longing for the days of late night 1,000 word thesis on the foreign policy genius of Christopher Hitchens.

Bullshit.

That’s your source? That AR is designed to be efficient to kill? All guns are designed to kill efficiently. You go about this rant about how I’m not interested in dialogue? What the fuck are you you talking about? AR and semi auto hunting rifles USE THE SAME CALIBER. I’m not knowledgeable about it? So you use two sources from a trauma team surgeon?

You’re going to have to do better than that.

You say I have a gun fetish but you have a vendetta against guns. I don’t have a gun fetish at all. All I see liberal SCREECHING.

Prove me wrong. Show me ACTUAL SOURCES THAT ANALYZE MECHANISM OF THE GUN RATHER THAN ANECDOTAL MUSINGS FROM DOCTORS. AR’s are efficient at killing? No shit. And that still doesn’t change the fact that there are hunting rifles and AR’s with literally the same caliber with the same design with the same magazine load out you bumbling cherry picking fuck

While this is true, they don't necessarily use the same cyclic rate, velocity, magazine or type/grain/length of bullet.

Which is a key factor for those of us who want certain guns "banned". You don't need m16 styled(design, not just aesthetics) weapons for any reason other than "it looks cool".

It’s about design and aesthetics? That’s why they should be banned? But I thought they didn’t fire the same type? Standard AR-15 shoots .223 caliber cartridges. .223 is actually a weak cartridge. You say people don’t need it to hunt. All you need is a bolt action rifle.

The AR-15 platform is known for its accuracy, especially over longer distances. For some types of hunting, this characteristic is particularly useful for successful hunts. Each bullet type has varying effective ranges. The .223 is effective from 400-600 meters. An AR-15 chambered in .308 has an effective range to about 800 meters; .338 Lapua's effective range is about 1500 meters; and .50 BMG has the range of about one mile.

How useful are these various kinds of AR-15's for hunting? Well, Piers Morgan's claim that you wouldn't hunt a deer with one is only sometimes true — if, and only if, you are talking about .223 chambered AR-15's, and more critically, depending on where you live. In many states — but not all — it's not legal to hunt deer with this round because some believe the round isn't powerful enough to kill a deer, but just badly wound it. But some states allow deer hunting with .223 bullets for a variety of reasons and differing circumstances. At any rate, a .223 is perfect for small-game hunting, like coyote, fox, prairie dog, or other similar small-sized game. This is also sometimes referred to varmint hunting and many AR-15's are designed and marketed specifically as varmint hunting rifles. These typically have longer barrels to give the bullet better accuracy at the longer ranges typically involved when hunting this kind of game.

From a liberal source: https://mic.com/articles/24640/gun-control-myth-the-ar-15-is-not-actually-a-hunting-rifle

But like Nola and Phoenix Dark said, i clearly don’t know anything about guns! Is this the part where you admit that you want a ban because of aesthetics rather than anything to do with reality? You don’t give a crap about gun crime. If you did, you would be targeting handguns.

[Nintex]

I mean...all a hunter needs is a high powered bolt action.

Why the hell do they need m-16s?

Depends on what you're huntin' 


https://twitter.com/twanhuijs/status/966990701526421504

And this is partly why I enjoy Trump's fuckery so much, because even here the mainstream media rides the Trump hate train every day with dumb shit like this

[Mandark]

I said nothing of armed teachers or students. That is YOUR assumption.

Also good on Trump for saying to get rid of gun free zones! It’s good he endorsed armed teachers as well. Let’s see if he sticks to his word.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Imagine thinking black people arming themselves en masse wouldn't result in widespread gun control again

Imagine being a liberal who claims to care about black people and uses arguments like this to actually win over black people. Never mind that very thing has been happening with black women being the largest buyer of guns. But no one on the right is pushing for gun control measures to stop “the blacks”. This mentality is exactly why I’ve left the party.

I'm not trying to win anyone over. It's just hilariously naive that you think black people could ever arm themselves against the state in any capacity without thinking the state will take action against black people, tacitly or otherwise

[Mandark]

black women being the largest buyer of guns

Pretty sure that's not true.

Might have a sharper relative increase than other groups, but that would be different.

[kingv]

I just want Cindi to start dating a redneck in a Maga hat.

[agrajag]

I for one am flabbergasted that Cindi would be talking out of her ass on a subject she's recently into as if she's been an expert for 30 years. I don't think she's ever done that on a subject before.

Apparently she's a hunter now too. We got a real Jason Blaha on our hands.

[El Babua]

I for one am flabbergasted that Cindi would be talking out of her ass on a subject she's recently into as if she's been an expert for 30 years. I don't think she's ever done that on a subject before.

Apparently she's a hunter now too. We got a real Jason Blaha on our hands.

Cindi are you going to visit the Farm in Langley anytime soon? 

[CatsCatsCats]

and who are you to say,”all a hunter needs is ____?”

To be fair, he is thehunter116

[brawndolicious]

Why does the left wanting assault style weapons banned = all guns.


Please show me that leap in logic.

Because many say things like they want all semi autos banned when all modern guns are semi auto besides revolvers. Because there’s literally no difference between an “assault” style and a regular hunting rifle with the same caliber. Because many actually want to ban all guns.

Brawn: I will never agree on gun control with someone from California. Five round magazines for a rifle is robbery. Rifle deaths make a blip in the amount of gun deaths. Yet you want to limit that to five while handguns - the weapon of choice of most murders including many mass shootings - stays at 10 its usual default capacity? Your idea not only is not based on reality but around fear and lack of knowledge in gun data. It also punishes law abiding citizens because of criminals.

From a liberal news source:

There have been at least 267 incidents involving assault-style rifles in 2016, including reported weapons thefts, crimes in which the guns were brandished, arrests for illegal possession and other legal interventions in which they weren't fired.

Those deaths account for about 2 percent of the 6,153 gun deaths and less than 1 percent of the 12,560 gun injuries the Gun Violence Archive has counted so far this year. This tally consists largely of homicides and assaults, but also includes suicides that were part of a murder-suicide. It also counts accidental deaths, the majority of which involve handguns, not rifles.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/assault-weapons-deaths_us_5763109de4b015db1bc8c123

Why the focus on “assault weapons” then Brawn? Let me remind you.

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If you ban “assault rifles” you might as well ban all hunting rifles. Oh, but lots of farmers and others use those for their livelihood like protecting their farm from wolves. But let’s give them only five cartridge magazines even though the amount of rifle deaths is very small (as awful as it is) because criminals used it for murder, right? Now you’ve run into a pickle. And that’s why you don’t listen to anyone from California on guns.

https://www.quora.com/Are-liberals-mistaken-by-claiming-hunting-rifles-are-different-from-assault-weapons-like-the-AR-15

Defending the cops for not going in is ridiculous. “Anyone not trained in the military?” You become a cop, you wear the uniform, you do your job. But...reminder. In America cops are not obligated to help you. Protect and serve is merely a motto. They are there to protect property and communities. So hey, maybe you’re right. Maybe we shouldn’t rely on cops. I completely agree.

More thorough background checks including mental health. More mental health funding. Boom.

Motherfucker I've owned a gun longer than you have. Not even the most half-assed hunter is ever going to need more than 5 rounds. The issue with rifles in mass shootings is that they cause much more devastating, untreatable wounds. Kinetic energy increases linearly with mass and exponentially with velocity. That's why a 5.56 round with half the weight of a 9mm still has 3X the amount of kinetic energy and tears up whoever it hits.

Not only did I say it in my post but for over 10 years, I've said on this forum that handguns are the real problem, not mass shootings. That's why I'm saying a shitload of training, permitting, and tracking needs to be added which isn't how it's done right now. The only reason for 10 rounds in a handgun is anybody using one in self-defense can probably expect to miss most of their shots even at close range. I'd even argue that no one needs more than 2-3 magazines compatible with any of their guns.

If you want to lower gun crime, the best thing is to track down the unstable individuals after the crime and to prevent people from having the means to carry an amount of firepower that's wildly disproportionate to what any regular citizen or police officer could have on them.

[Nintex]

If you don't crack down on automatic weapons, about 5/10 years from now you'll be arguing that rocket launchers should not be sold to high school kids.

But nope, let's arm the teachers and deans and janitors and coaches and ...

[agrajag]

I for one am flabbergasted that Cindi would be talking out of her ass on a subject she's recently into as if she's been an expert for 30 years. I don't think she's ever done that on a subject before.

Apparently she's a hunter now too. We got a real Jason Blaha on our hands.

Cindi are you going to visit the Farm in Langley anytime soon? 

Tfw when you thought you were Chris Kyle but you are Jason Blaha 

[kingv]

Those dumb pistol grip memes from conservatives ignore the point of pistol grips, that is, they are intended to allow you hold a rifle at a position that lessens the impact of recoil on your shot, so you can get more rounds on target faster.

This is really useful for a soldier or a mass shooter. Adding another second or two for the shooters to resteady their aim after each shot could very likely save lives.

Similarly 5 round clips would save lives, as would a more complex mechanism to change clips. Why not require it to be a two handed operation, that requires you to lay the gun flat on something?

[Tasty]

Ban everything except bolt-action (for hunting) and non-automatic pistols (for self-defense.) These are the only two justifiable reasons for owning a gun in America today, and they should be as loud as possible and fire as few minute per second as possible. Human life is sacred.

[Himu]

Imagine thinking black people arming themselves en masse wouldn't result in widespread gun control again

Imagine being a liberal who claims to care about black people and uses arguments like this to actually win over black people. Never mind that very thing has been happening with black women being the largest buyer of guns. But no one on the right is pushing for gun control measures to stop “the blacks”. This mentality is exactly why I’ve left the party.

I'm not trying to win anyone over. It's just hilariously naive that you think black people could ever arm themselves against the state in any capacity without thinking the state will take action against black people, tacitly or otherwise

Bullshit. I never said nor hinted at black people alone "against the state". I'm not humoring your post because it's another trap where you want me to talk about scenarios against the state and then you all laugh at me even though you're the ones who brought the damn subject up. It's another case of liberal weakness to try to "appease" black people. Similar to "you don't have the same gun rights to self defense". The goal is pacify black people, keep us disarmed, and not even bother because what you're saying is,"they'll always see you as a black person and not worthy of protection. You'll always go to jail for it." Liberals *and* conservatives like hand pick data to fit their needs. Much like Nola and shitty answer a few posts above. Mention you're a black trans woman? Here's some liberal telling you about how you'll always be a target to self defense because Cici was in prison! One example! There's no point in bothering to defend yourself because Phillandro Castille had a CCW and he was shot by police! Why bother?! You'll. Be. A. Victim. And the cherry on the top? You want us to rely on these people who you say are out to get us.

Quite a message. Definitely shows strength and resolve and not weakness on top of intellectual dishonesty. I don't respect weakness. It is the very thing that pushed me right ward actually.

black women being the largest buyer of guns

Pretty sure that's not true.

Might have a sharper relative increase than other groups, but that would be different.

http://www.houstonpress.com/news/study-finds-african-american-women-in-texas-are-fastest-growing-gunowners-9678670
https://www.theroot.com/not-without-a-fight-black-women-are-taking-up-arms-to-1795583007

Let's laugh at them too why don't we? They're all just delusional. They're all crazy. They can't defend themselves. They'll be victims. You should dismiss their perspective too.

I'm really hoping that they, along with me, see the dissonance and will too shift rightward.

I for one am flabbergasted that Cindi would be talking out of her ass on a subject she's recently into as if she's been an expert for 30 years. I don't think she's ever done that on a subject before.

I never claimed to be an expert. I have shot handguns and rifles including AR-15's. But somehow that doesn't mean anything and that's literally all you have against me.

Fuck it.

I'm done.

[Tasty]

Let's laugh at them too why don't we? They're all just delusional. They're all crazy. They can't defend themselves. They'll be victims. You should dismiss their perspective too.

I don't think anyone ITT had argued against getting a gun for personal defense, for either you or anyone else.

However you're conflating that with some of us being pro comprehensive background checks, CDC data, assault weapon bans, etc. It's not like the second amendment is going to be repealed but we should at least try as much common sense gun regulation as possible.

[Himu]

Let's laugh at them too why don't we? They're all just delusional. They're all crazy. They can't defend themselves. They'll be victims. You should dismiss their perspective too.

I don't think anyone ITT had argued against getting a gun for personal defense, for either you or anyone else.

However you're conflating that with some of us being pro comprehensive background checks, CDC data, assault weapon bans, etc. It's not like the second amendment is going to be repealed but we should at least try as much common sense gun regulation as possible.

You mention "common sense" but say only bolt action and revolvers should be legal. Your "common sense" is not my "common sense".

I'm for thorough backgrounds. I'm for disarming gang members in the hood. I'm a federal law that allows people who are depressed or suicidal to send their guns in to a local gun store or the sherrif/chief. I'm for more gun studies. I'm for more mental health funding. But nope. The thing that drives your disdain is that I'm proudly anti-gun and fuck you.