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Joe Molotov

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« Reply #17520 on: April 12, 2018, 09:57:38 PM »
Expect President Trump to fire Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein in the next few days. Maybe he won’t do it. Maybe he’ll change his mind.
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I’m firing Rosenstein, change my mind.
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Nola

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« Reply #17522 on: April 12, 2018, 10:40:36 PM »
 :dunno  :beli

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« Reply #17523 on: April 12, 2018, 11:11:45 PM »
I can’t believe the peetape is real.

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« Reply #17525 on: April 12, 2018, 11:24:54 PM »
but Libby's sentence was already commuted by Bush...and he "admitted" to no wrong doing...a pardon comes with an admission of guilt? :doge

(look if you're going to disagree with this interpretation re: pardons/guilt, just know that Zombie Gerald Ford is going to crawl out of his grave, show you that clipping he carried around for the rest of his life and then probably eat your brain or something)

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« Reply #17526 on: April 12, 2018, 11:40:38 PM »
Well, at least this confirms to me he knows he did something wrong and he is blatantly cockteasing pardons.

Nola

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« Reply #17527 on: April 12, 2018, 11:49:01 PM »
Seems most observers I follow(that have been pretty accurate on this sort of speculation) think this is a signaling move to the Cohen's, Manaforts, and Flynn's. A much more overt one than Joe Arpaio.

That not surprisingly, is probably stupidly risky and not likely going to be that effective. Since all those people are also facing state charges(or potential state charges) and there are so many leaks on this ship, and Trump's people don't even know the extent of it, so they have no idea where to plug, and dangling pardons is already something Mueller has signaled he will consider attempts to obstruct justice.



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« Reply #17528 on: April 12, 2018, 11:50:05 PM »
Is there a reason for this besides sending a signal that Trump's willing to pardon Manafort et al?

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« Reply #17529 on: April 12, 2018, 11:53:00 PM »
Is there a reason for this besides sending a signal that Trump's willing to pardon Manafort et al?

Not really. Scooter already got his voting rights restored and his BAR license reinstated, there's nothing substantive left that a pardon would change at this point.
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« Reply #17530 on: April 12, 2018, 11:53:05 PM »
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Since the conviction, Libby has since had his law license restored and former Virginia Gov. Bob McDonnell restored his voting rights in 2013.

Many conservatives have been urging a pardon for Libby, including attorneys Joe diGenova and his wife, Victoria Toensing.
okay, i get the last one sorta...but everyone else...why? it's not like the dude works in an industry where criminal convictions are an automatic disqualifier

edit: ARGH DOG

benjipwns

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« Reply #17531 on: April 12, 2018, 11:55:57 PM »
NEVERMIND, FOUND THE ANSWER:


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The Apprentice takes place in a remote mountain inn in northernmost Japan, where a raging blizzard has brought together wayfarers who share only fear and suspicion of one another. It is the winter of 1903, the country is beset with smallpox and war is brewing with Russia.

In the flickering shadows of the crowded room, the apprentice, charged with running the inn during the owner's absence, finds himself strongly attracted to one of the performers lodged there. His involvement with the mysterious travelers plunges him headlong into murder, passion and heart-stopping chases through the snow.
Quote from: Scooter Libby, to Larry King
I first wrote it in Japan -- contemporary Japan -- in college for a credit. Had a good reason -- I wanted to graduate. ... But the story sort of wouldn't let me go, and I sort of said, why am I writing about -- this about Japan? ... And I went back and rewrote the book entirely in New England -- set in New England. Went out to Colorado, drank tequila and wrote. And sort of the dream life. ... But what eventually happened was, that didn't seem right. I took that 300 pages and threw it away, never showed it. [KING: It's a classic first novel.] ... And then I started to think, you know, what I need is more distance for the characters, more sort of isolation. I wanted a land before telephones, before fingerprints -- give the reader even a greater sense [of isolation].
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Although the sexual passages and references make up only a few pages of the novel, one passage in particular — combining zoophilia, pedophilia, prostitution, biastophilia, and voyeurism in just three sentences—has received wide attention:

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At age ten the madam put the child in a cage with a bear trained to couple with young girls so the girls would be frigid and not fall in love with their patrons. They fed her through the bars and aroused the bear with a stick when it seemed to lose interest. Groups of men paid to watch. (81)[3][9]

Another sentence in the book introduces necrophilia in addition to zoophilia, as a hunter copulates with a freshly killed deer: "The man called out to the others that the deer was still warm. He asked if they should fuck the deer" (127)


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In his June 7, 2007 Wall Street Journal op-ed calling for Presidential pardon of Scooter Libby, conservative academic Fouad Ajami praised The Apprentice as a "remarkably lyrical novel ... [which] bears witness to an eye for human folly and disappointment."

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« Reply #17532 on: April 12, 2018, 11:57:47 PM »
Seems most observers I follow(that have been pretty accurate on this sort of speculation) think this is a signaling move to the Cohen's, Manaforts, and Flynn's. A much more overt one than Joe Arpaio.

That not surprisingly, is probably stupidly risky and not likely going to be that effective. Since all those people are also facing state charges(or potential state charges) and there are so many leaks on this ship, and Trump's people don't even know the extent of it, so they have no idea where to plug, and dangling pardons is already something Mueller has signaled he will consider attempts to obstruct justice.

That is the thing, we already know that Mueller is going to argue that the pardons are obstruction. Mueller probably already has better evidence than just speculation. What the fuck is Trump thinking outside telling everyone that he is going to pardon any scumbag?

Nola

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« Reply #17533 on: April 12, 2018, 11:59:06 PM »
Is there a reason for this besides sending a signal that Trump's willing to pardon Manafort et al?

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Marcy Wheeler seems to lay out a pretty convincing theory/context, which basically amounts to that, yes, which I was largely quoting from(along some random lawyer's and Lawfare people I was reading tweets from).

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/04/12/the-libby-pardon-trumps-object-lesson-in-presidential-firewalls/

I am struggling to think of any other logic? Though this is Trump, so the idea that rationality is absent is not out of the question.

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« Reply #17534 on: April 13, 2018, 12:00:58 AM »
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What Libby's full name is, about which he has been secretive, is unclear.[9][18] He was prosecuted as I. Lewis Libby, also known as "Scooter Libby."
wait, how is this a thing considering his career

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« Reply #17535 on: April 13, 2018, 12:02:32 AM »
Is there a reason for this besides sending a signal that Trump's willing to pardon Manafort et al?

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Marcy Wheeler seems to lay out a pretty convincing theory/context, that I was largely quoting from(along some random lawyer's and Lawfare people I was reading tweets from).

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/04/12/the-libby-pardon-trumps-object-lesson-in-presidential-firewalls/

I am struggling to think of any other logic? Though this is Trump, so the idea that rationality is absent is not out of the question.

Maybe is Bannon idea, it seems that he is trying to get back in good terms with Trump (and this is stupid and alt right enough to come from a guy that shit talked his boss on record).

benjipwns

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« Reply #17536 on: April 13, 2018, 12:04:14 AM »
for shastakavich: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2006/08/plame_out.html
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Plame Out
The ridiculous end to the scandal that distracted Washington.
By Christopher Hitchens

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But now we have the final word on who diddisclose the name and occupation of Valerie Plame, and it turns out to be someone whose opposition to the Bush policy in Iraq has—like Robert Novak's—long been a byword in Washington. It is particularly satisfying that this admission comes from two of the journalists—Michael Isikoff and David Corn—who did the most to get the story wrong in the first place and the most to keep it going long beyond the span of its natural life.

As most of us have long suspected, the man who told Novak about Valerie Plame was Richard Armitage, Colin Powell's deputy at the State Department and, with his boss, an assiduous underminer of the president's war policy. (His and Powell's—and George Tenet's—fingerprints are all over Bob Woodward's "insider" accounts of post-9/11 policy planning, which helps clear up another nonmystery: Woodward's revelation several months ago that he had known all along about the Wilson-Plame connection and considered it to be no big deal.)

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What does emerge from Hubris is further confirmation of what we knew all along: the extraordinary venom of the interdepartmental rivalry that has characterized this administration. In particular, the bureaucracy at the State Department and the CIA appear to have used the indiscretion of Armitage to revenge themselves on the "neoconservatives" who had been advocating the removal of Saddam Hussein. Armitage identified himself to Colin Powell as Novak's source before the Fitzgerald inquiry had even been set on foot. The whole thing could—and should—have ended right there. But now read this and rub your eyes: William Howard Taft, the State Department's lawyer who had been told about Armitage (and who had passed on the name to the Justice Department) also felt obligated to inform White House counsel Alberto Gonzales. But Powell and his aides feared the White House would then leak that Armitage had been Novak's source—possibly to embarrass State Department officials who had been unenthusiastic about Bush's Iraq policy. So Taft told Gonzales the bare minimum: that the State Department had passed some information about the case to Justice. He didn't mention Armitage.
sounds like typical DEEP STATE operations to me

also pretty impressive that the former President was able to continue to be a State Department lawyer some 70 years after he died

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« Reply #17537 on: April 13, 2018, 12:05:05 AM »
"So this is how bad the news media is, Fox News is now the beacon of reasonable thought on war"





God, I love Jimmy Dore. What a coincidence though, corporate media have once again united to support another war. It's as if these fucks are organized or something.

benjipwns

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« Reply #17538 on: April 13, 2018, 12:10:52 AM »
jimmy dore entrances me with one simple thing

his constant pointing to the OBVIOUS THING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT especially when it's a video, i'm like a minute and a half into this video and we're probably already approaching 15 points or other indications at the content behind him which is the only thing other than him on the screen

can't get that in corporate media, they don't even play videos behind themselves that i know of

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« Reply #17539 on: April 13, 2018, 12:12:33 AM »
"So this is how bad the news media is, Fox News is now the beacon of reasonable thought on war"





God, I love Jimmy Dore. What a coincidence though, corporate media have once again united to support another war. It's as if these fucks are organized or something.

Why the fuck are you promoting Fox News for not liking going to war? the majority of the Republican voter base is already against it. Ben Garrison is against and nobody is saying “he is not so bad”.

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« Reply #17540 on: April 13, 2018, 12:12:45 AM »

Maybe is Bannon idea, it seems that he is trying to get back in good terms with Trump (and this is stupid and alt right enough to come from a guy that shit talked his boss on record).
Might be.

He supposedly has his ear again and is having strategizing sessions. He's also leaning on DiGenova more and more it seems.

benjipwns

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« Reply #17541 on: April 13, 2018, 12:20:35 AM »
lol i didn't connect the obvious dots in the prior post
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Many conservatives have been urging a pardon for Libby, including attorneys Joe diGenova and his wife, Victoria Toensing.
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On March 19, 2018, diGenova and his spouse, Victoria Toensing, were hired to serve on Trump's legal team for the Special Counsel investigation.

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« Reply #17542 on: April 13, 2018, 12:21:48 AM »
Optimus worshipping Jimmy Dore like some omnipotent minister of "the truth" explains so much all of the sudden.

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« Reply #17543 on: April 13, 2018, 12:26:17 AM »
lol i didn't connect the obvious dots in the prior post
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Many conservatives have been urging a pardon for Libby, including attorneys Joe diGenova and his wife, Victoria Toensing.
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On March 19, 2018, diGenova and his spouse, Victoria Toensing, were hired to serve on Trump's legal team for the Special Counsel investigation.

Maybe this is the reason they “couldn’t” join afterwards is because they don’t want to be directly involved in case that it backfires?

benjipwns

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« Reply #17544 on: April 13, 2018, 12:27:35 AM »
Why the fuck are you promoting Fox News for not liking going to war?
It's not even Fox, it's Tucker Carlson, who's always had an anti-war streak*. The rest of Fox's programming can't wait to carpet bomb the Middle East if only these damn deep state investigators would get out of Trump's way.

*He initially supported Iraq but turned on it so fast he refused to support Bush and Kerry in 2004 for both being for it still and has written a few pieces over the years about how ashamed he was to have participated in supporting the war including considering himself partially complicit in the disaster.

He even has the blessing of Justin Raimondo, making his credentials bulletproof. (lolbertarian inside joke)

Nola

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« Reply #17545 on: April 13, 2018, 12:32:50 AM »
Yeah pretty much the entire reason we had all those alarming(and contradictory) hawkish Syria/Russia tweets from Trump apparently came because he was watching Fox and Friends again.

....His favorite time to tweet:

https://twitter.com/patrickthealba/status/936708424208805889

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« Reply #17546 on: April 13, 2018, 12:35:37 AM »
"So this is how bad the news media is, Fox News is now the beacon of reasonable thought on war"

God, I love Jimmy Dore. What a coincidence though, corporate media have once again united to support another war. It's as if these fucks are organized or something.

Why the fuck are you promoting Fox News for not liking going to war? the majority of the Republican voter base is already against it. Ben Garrison is against and nobody is saying “he is not so bad”.


Fox News and the rest of corporate media are supporting the war, Carlson, Garrison and a lot of Trump supporters aren't because they might be rightwingers but they're anti-establishment rightwing. Which btw makes them less brainwashed than the idiot liberals who support this shit which to me is shocking. Rightwingers being the voice of reason about war is an extinction level event, we might as well give up on humanity right now.


jimmy dore entrances me with one simple thing

his constant pointing to the OBVIOUS THING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT especially when it's a video, i'm like a minute and a half into this video and we're probably already approaching 15 points or other indications at the content behind him which is the only thing other than him on the screen

can't get that in corporate media, they don't even play videos behind themselves that i know of

Well, his main schtick is commenting on corporate media and the political status quo so of course he's gonna do that.

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« Reply #17547 on: April 13, 2018, 12:44:14 AM »
"So this is how bad the news media is, Fox News is now the beacon of reasonable thought on war"

God, I love Jimmy Dore. What a coincidence though, corporate media have once again united to support another war. It's as if these fucks are organized or something.

Why the fuck are you promoting Fox News for not liking going to war? the majority of the Republican voter base is already against it. Ben Garrison is against and nobody is saying “he is not so bad”.


Fox News and the rest of corporate media are supporting the war, Carlson, Garrison and a lot of Trump supporters aren't because they might be rightwingers but they're anti-establishment rightwing. Which btw makes them less brainwashed than the idiot liberals who support this shit which to me is shocking. Rightwingers being the voice of reason about war is an extinction level event, we might as well give up on humanity right now.


jimmy dore entrances me with one simple thing

his constant pointing to the OBVIOUS THING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT especially when it's a video, i'm like a minute and a half into this video and we're probably already approaching 15 points or other indications at the content behind him which is the only thing other than him on the screen

can't get that in corporate media, they don't even play videos behind themselves that i know of

Well, his main schtick is commenting on corporate media and the political status quo so of course he's gonna do that.

So you concede that being part of a news network doesn’t necessarily means not having opinions on your own?

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« Reply #17548 on: April 13, 2018, 12:46:01 AM »
Define corporate media for me Optimus? Because you never really do.

When you use that term are you just parroting Dore? Or do you have a working definition that you actually vet before you make these routine sweeping generalizations?

And lol at the guy who is representing Murdoch and Foster Freiss being "anti-establishment."

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« Reply #17549 on: April 13, 2018, 12:48:30 AM »
I mostly remember Justin Raimando from being a semi-troll on an obscure wrestling forum back in the day.

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« Reply #17550 on: April 13, 2018, 12:48:52 AM »
Well, his main schtick is commenting on corporate media and the political status quo so of course he's gonna do that.
you don't have to physically point and gesture at it

that kind of thing is what led to Suez

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« Reply #17551 on: April 13, 2018, 12:51:09 AM »
"So this is how bad the news media is, Fox News is now the beacon of reasonable thought on war"

God, I love Jimmy Dore. What a coincidence though, corporate media have once again united to support another war. It's as if these fucks are organized or something.

Why the fuck are you promoting Fox News for not liking going to war? the majority of the Republican voter base is already against it. Ben Garrison is against and nobody is saying “he is not so bad”.


Fox News and the rest of corporate media are supporting the war, Carlson, Garrison and a lot of Trump supporters aren't because they might be rightwingers but they're anti-establishment rightwing. Which btw makes them less brainwashed than the idiot liberals who support this shit which to me is shocking. Rightwingers being the voice of reason about war is an extinction level event, we might as well give up on humanity right now.


jimmy dore entrances me with one simple thing

his constant pointing to the OBVIOUS THING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT especially when it's a video, i'm like a minute and a half into this video and we're probably already approaching 15 points or other indications at the content behind him which is the only thing other than him on the screen

can't get that in corporate media, they don't even play videos behind themselves that i know of

Well, his main schtick is commenting on corporate media and the political status quo so of course he's gonna do that.

So you concede that being part of a news network doesn’t necessarily means not having opinions on your own?


I concede that Fox News made a mistake with Carlson, a mistake they'll likely correct in the future when they find a good chance and if he continues to go against the narrative.


Define corporate media for me Optimus? Because you never really do.

When you use that term are you just parroting Dore? Or do you have a working definition that you actually vet before you make these routine sweeping generalizations?

And lol at the guy who is representing Murdoch and Foster Freiss being "anti-establishment."

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology. Maybe status quo media is a more self explanatory term for you? How about media controlled by the American ruling class?

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« Reply #17552 on: April 13, 2018, 12:52:14 AM »
As if they'd really get rid of the best pundit they've ever had on Fox News since they first signed Sean Hannity.
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« Reply #17553 on: April 13, 2018, 12:55:58 AM »
"So this is how bad the news media is, Fox News is now the beacon of reasonable thought on war"

God, I love Jimmy Dore. What a coincidence though, corporate media have once again united to support another war. It's as if these fucks are organized or something.

Why the fuck are you promoting Fox News for not liking going to war? the majority of the Republican voter base is already against it. Ben Garrison is against and nobody is saying “he is not so bad”.


Fox News and the rest of corporate media are supporting the war, Carlson, Garrison and a lot of Trump supporters aren't because they might be rightwingers but they're anti-establishment rightwing. Which btw makes them less brainwashed than the idiot liberals who support this shit which to me is shocking. Rightwingers being the voice of reason about war is an extinction level event, we might as well give up on humanity right now.


jimmy dore entrances me with one simple thing

his constant pointing to the OBVIOUS THING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT especially when it's a video, i'm like a minute and a half into this video and we're probably already approaching 15 points or other indications at the content behind him which is the only thing other than him on the screen

can't get that in corporate media, they don't even play videos behind themselves that i know of

Well, his main schtick is commenting on corporate media and the political status quo so of course he's gonna do that.

So you concede that being part of a news network doesn’t necessarily means not having opinions on your own?


I concede that Fox News made a mistake with Carlson, a mistake they'll likely correct in the future when they find a good chance and if he continues to go against the narrative.


lol what? It sounds like this guy has been anti war while sucking GOP and Trump otherwise...

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« Reply #17554 on: April 13, 2018, 12:58:24 AM »
No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.

Newsfeed.

The US government and the shady fucks behind it are bad. 12:55 AM Friday April 13, 2018

Corporate media don't care about the truth 12:57 AM Friday April 13, 2018

Don't trust them you fucking morons 12:59 AM Friday April 13, 2018



I'll keep you updated.

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« Reply #17555 on: April 13, 2018, 01:00:56 AM »
No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.

Newsfeed.

The US government and the shady fucks behind it are bad. 12:55 AM Friday April 13, 2018

Corporate media don't care about the truth 12:57 AM Friday April 13, 2018

Don't trust them you fucking morons 12:59 AM Friday April 13, 2018



I'll keep you updated.

I doubt anyone here trust the current US government you dumbass.

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« Reply #17556 on: April 13, 2018, 01:01:32 AM »
No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.
why so angry and concerned then? just let capitalism and imperialism continue to expand unchecked until it's brought down by its inherent contradictions leading to true class consciousness and the state consequently withering away to leave a peaceful democratic society that produces without scarcity

or are you going to start questioning the laws of science too :ufup

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« Reply #17557 on: April 13, 2018, 01:04:03 AM »
wait a second

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.


 :ohhh
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« Reply #17558 on: April 13, 2018, 01:09:41 AM »
No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.
why so angry and concerned then? just let capitalism and imperialism continue to expand unchecked until it's brought down by its inherent contradictions leading to true class consciousness and the state consequently withering away to leave a peaceful democratic society that produces without scarcity

or are you going to start questioning the laws of science too :ufup

I'll take my current collapse of capitalism with as few wars and mass casualties as possible please, thanks.


I doubt anyone here trust the current US government you dumbass.

This US "government" now seems to have completed its transformation into any US government of the last 3 decades, they even support TPP now. I wasn't talking about the Trump puppet show you distinguished mentally-challenged fellows are so obsessed with, I was talking about the US government behind that circus... dumbass.

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« Reply #17559 on: April 13, 2018, 01:13:53 AM »

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology. Maybe status quo media is a more self explanatory term for you? How about media controlled by the American ruling class?


Then god help this new left.


...Another question, how do you define the American ruling class?

I'm just trying to figure out how this works. When you come on here telling everyone the corporate media is working together to drive us to war in Syria, so stop being morons, what media are you specifically referring to? What sites are you scouring that drew you to these conclusions? Or are you just deferring that responsibility to people like Jimmy Dore who tell you what you clearly already think? Because I'll tell you, I read, listen, and to a lesser degree have been watching a lot of shit about Syria recently, and I can't discern any sort of common narrative or course of acton prescription.

benjipwns

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« Reply #17560 on: April 13, 2018, 01:15:49 AM »
I'll take my current collapse of capitalism with as few wars and mass casualties as possible please, thanks.
Your support of social fascism is delaying the working classes from achieving true revolutionary consciousness and instead making them passive and pampered and weak. Mass casualties of class traitors and counterrevolutionaries are of no concern to a revolutionary Vanguard.

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« Reply #17561 on: April 13, 2018, 01:18:07 AM »
I'll take my current collapse of capitalism with as few wars and mass casualties as possible please, thanks.
Your support of social fascism is delaying the working classes from achieving true revolutionary consciousness and instead making them passive and pampered and weak. Mass casualties of class traitors and counterrevolutionaries are of no concern to a revolutionary Vanguard.

OK, I'll admit it, you're a master at trolling leftists.

benjipwns

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« Reply #17562 on: April 13, 2018, 01:25:28 AM »
No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.

Optimus

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« Reply #17563 on: April 13, 2018, 01:31:11 AM »

No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology. Maybe status quo media is a more self explanatory term for you? How about media controlled by the American ruling class?


Then god help this new left.


...Another question, how do you define the American ruling class?

I'm just trying to figure out how this works. When you come on here telling everyone the corporate media is working together to drive us to war in Syria, so stop being morons, what media are you specifically referring to? What sites are you scouring that drew you to these conclusions? Or are you just deferring that responsibility to people like Jimmy Dore who tell you what you clearly already think? Because I'll tell you, I read, listen, and to a lesser degree have been watching a lot of shit about Syria recently, and I can't discern any sort of common narrative or course of acton prescription.


I'll try to make it as short as possible.

The current American ruling class is an amalgamation of corporate interests sometimes opposing each other, most times uniting to screw the American middle class and almost always agreeing to start another war. On the very top of that ruling class is probably the fucking bankers, as per usual, who throughout history benefited greatly from war; the military industrial complex is somewhere up there too. You have to understand that these aren't individual entities completely separated from each other, the rich fucks who own corporate media also own property in the military industrial complex or the banks or the dozens other industries that benefit from war, the same industries that basically control the US government through legalized bribery.

So in case you wonder why corporate media so often repeat the US government narrative it's because they both have the same bosses.

Optimus

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« Reply #17564 on: April 13, 2018, 01:39:34 AM »
No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.


k, let's assume some part of you isn't trolling.

Where exactly did I support social fascism? The Syrian middle class that will be absolutely decimated by American intervention like the Libyan one did aren't class traitors. Leftist ideology isn't as inflexible, absolute or judgmental as you make it seem, you're thinking of Stalinism.

benjipwns

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« Reply #17565 on: April 13, 2018, 01:47:41 AM »
Where exactly did I support social fascism? The Syrian middle class that will be absolutely decimated by American intervention like the Libyan one did aren't class traitors. Leftist ideology isn't as inflexible, absolute or judgmental as you make it seem, you're thinking of Stalinism.
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Boredfrom

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« Reply #17566 on: April 13, 2018, 02:13:23 AM »
No, I'm parroting leftist ideology, actual leftist ideology.
why so angry and concerned then? just let capitalism and imperialism continue to expand unchecked until it's brought down by its inherent contradictions leading to true class consciousness and the state consequently withering away to leave a peaceful democratic society that produces without scarcity

or are you going to start questioning the laws of science too :ufup

I'll take my current collapse of capitalism with as few wars and mass casualties as possible please, thanks.


I doubt anyone here trust the current US government you dumbass.

This US "government" now seems to have completed its transformation into any US government of the last 3 decades, they even support TPP now. I wasn't talking about the Trump puppet show you distinguished mentally-challenged fellows are so obsessed with, I was talking about the US government behind that circus... dumbass.

METAL GEAR!?


benjipwns

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« Reply #17568 on: April 13, 2018, 05:12:29 AM »
good thing Jack isn't around to see this:
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Comey also says President Barack Obama reassured him after the election about his decision to send the letter about Clinton.

Comey writes that Obama sat alone with him in the Oval Office in late November and told him, “I picked you to be FBI director because of your integrity and your ability. I want you to know that nothing — nothing — has happened in the last year to change my view.”

On the verge of tears, Comey told Obama, “Boy, were those words I needed to hear . . . I’m just trying to do the right thing.”

“I know,” Obama said. “I know.”

benjipwns

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« Reply #17569 on: April 13, 2018, 05:29:46 AM »
House Speaker Paul Ryan (R-Wis.) said Thursday that President Trump has broad authority to attack Syria, precluding the need for Congress to act beforehand.
 
“The existing AUMF gives him the authority he needs to do what he may or may not do,” Ryan said during a press briefing in the Capitol.
 
...

“Our members believe, as do I, that we need a new AUMF,” she told reporters in the Capitol, just moments before Ryan took the same podium to argue the opposite position.
 
Pelosi was among the many lawmakers who approved of missile strikes against a Syrian airfield in April 2017, which Trump initiated as a direct response to a deadly chemical attack on civilians days before. Outside of a similarly “proportionate” engagement, Pelosi said, Trump will need congressional approval.
 
“What he did last year was proportionate. They went in in the spring, they made a hit on a Russian facility, it was proportional. Anything beyond that, he will need a new authorization for the use of military force.”
ya know, it's high level nuance like this that gives the uneducated populace the false impression that Congress doesn't take their jobs seriously

Nintex

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« Reply #17570 on: April 13, 2018, 07:20:40 AM »
The Donald John Trump Presidency  :rejoice

Thank you America, god bless.  :usacry

With the pardon news out all the bois are coming back to the yard to play

https://twitter.com/carterwpage/status/984746056507326469
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Optimus

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« Reply #17571 on: April 13, 2018, 07:52:32 AM »
good thing Jack isn't around to see this:
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Comey also says President Barack Obama reassured him after the election about his decision to send the letter about Clinton.

Comey writes that Obama sat alone with him in the Oval Office in late November and told him, “I picked you to be FBI director because of your integrity and your ability. I want you to know that nothing — nothing — has happened in the last year to change my view.”

On the verge of tears, Comey told Obama, “Boy, were those words I needed to hear . . . I’m just trying to do the right thing.”

“I know,” Obama said. “I know.”


The kiss that followed was passionate, expected but also slightly awkward given the circumstances. "Should we be doing this?" asked Comey, his voice trembling. "Trust me, I'm the President" Obama replied and he embraced him for a second even more passionate kiss. Comey felt something big pressing against his hip...

Stro

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« Reply #17572 on: April 13, 2018, 09:07:58 AM »
It was a pocket sized constitution, which both men swore to uphold.

Brehvolution

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« Reply #17573 on: April 13, 2018, 11:12:13 AM »


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Nintex

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« Reply #17574 on: April 13, 2018, 11:39:54 AM »


Where's Waldo but Where's Kelly.
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« Reply #17575 on: April 13, 2018, 01:05:19 PM »
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Yo, remember in 2009-10, when there were a bunch of angry demonstrations because of "the debt?" And some slanderous leftists said it was just old white people freaking out about a black president, but David Brooks explained that no, these were just people very concerned about a profligate federal government?

Boy, imagine how angry these people are going to be when they find out about this.

TakingBackSunday

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« Reply #17576 on: April 13, 2018, 01:11:00 PM »
looks like rosenstein is going to get fired today

beginning of the end
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« Reply #17577 on: April 13, 2018, 01:17:56 PM »
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Rosenstein has said in recent private conversations that history will prove he did the right thing by firing Comey in May 2017, claiming that the American people do not have all the facts about what led to his decision to write the memo that led to Comey's dismissal, the sources said.
what's this mean
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Nintex

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« Reply #17578 on: April 13, 2018, 01:26:30 PM »


"I don't know Mr. Libby"

"A very sad portion of his life"
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TakingBackSunday

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« Reply #17579 on: April 13, 2018, 01:34:31 PM »
wouldn't it be funny if trump appoints libby in rosenstein's stead
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