US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Optimus]

https://twitter.com/RobinWigg/status/1046183645155926016

If bankers can be protected from prosecution for laundering money for terrorists, sex traffickers and drug dealers using the excuse that they don't want to "harm the economy" I'm quite sure they'd do the same for a CEO that wrote a dumb tweet.

[shosta]

Kavanaugh is another example of the coverup is worse than the crime.

In my opinion, if he had just owned up to both incidents, said he had trouble with drinking when he was younger and has since found god or something and then apologized to both chicks, he would have skated through with 53 votes to confirm.

But now, the lying itself is reason not to confirm him.

Freeze frame, record scratch

Yup, that's me, the guy pinning a woman down and ripping her bathing suit off to rape her. You're probably wondering how I got here. Well, it all started with my first beer at my best friend Squee's house...

[team filler]

https://www.gofundme.com/support-brett-kavanaugh

[Mandark]

he'll be able to buy so many baseball tickets

[Kara]

Squee will always be a goblin nabob to me.

[team filler]

https://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2018/10/01/sonnie-johnson-kanyes-right-slavery-never-ended-because-progressives-use-the-law-to-enslave/

[team filler]

https://money.cnn.com/2018/09/30/technology/california-net-neutrality-law/index.html

 

[VomKriege]

https://twitter.com/RobinWigg/status/1046183645155926016

We wouldn't want fines to be inconvenient, now, would we ?

[benjipwns]

Last week, the Indy Star apologized for publishing this “offensive” cartoon.



As you can see, it’s really not bad at all, especially when you consider that she DID initially have like, 456 unreasonable demands.

People were RAGING over that cartoon. But this? This cartoon is a gazillion times WORSE. It’s actually sickening.



No words. This is simply disgusting.

Seriously. What editor approved that? It’s gross.

Just when I thought they couldn’t sink any lower. Wow.

[Maiden Voyage]

Party polarization is even worse than most people think, according to a new Michigan State University study.

And neither party can shoulder the blame, as it doesn’t matter which party is in charge, said Zachary Neal, associate professor of psychology and global urban studies.

“What I’ve found is that polarization has been steadily getting worse since the early 1970s,” he said. “Today, we’ve hit the ceiling on polarization. At these levels, it will be difficult to make any progress on social or economic policies.”

In one of the first studies to address polarization not only in terms of who works together, but also who doesn’t, Neal analyzed publicly available data on who sponsors bills in Congress from 1973 to 2016. He specifically looked at how often politicians from both sides of the aisle co-sponsor legislation.

Published in the journal Social Networks, the study found although thousands of bills are introduced each year, the average representative or senator co-sponsors only about 200. And when they decide with whom to co-sponsor bills, they view nearly half of their colleagues as “the opposition.” 

While it’s hard to imagine incivility among Democrats and Republicans getting worse, it likely will, Neal said, especially if one party barely holds the majority.

The Affordable Care Act is an example, Neal said. The Democrats held a slim majority — just enough to get the bill passed. Then the Republicans took control, again with a slim majority, and tried to repeal it.

“We’re seeing lots of animosity in politics,” he said. “Although bills do occasionally get passed, they don’t stick around long enough, or never get fully implemented, and therefore don’t have lasting impact. This kind of partisanship means that our democracy has reached a kind of stalemate.”

So, what’s the solution?

It could be electing more centrists to Congress, Neal said. But that’ll be tough because centrists often don’t appeal to American voters, who are increasingly polarized too.

“This study raises new questions about the future of Congressional politics,” he said. “In truth, the only thing that is bi-partisan in Congress is the trend toward greater polarization.”

I don't normally paste the entire article/post, but this is just the MSU blog. The actual study is here.

And supplemental video:

[Rufus]

Calling for people to "vote differently" makes no sense unless you change something about the equation that led to this polarization. You can't just ask people to be less tribal when the underlying voting system supports tribalism.

[Crash Dummy]

Calling for people to "vote differently" makes no sense unless you change something about the equation that led to this polarization. You can't just ask people to be less tribal when the underlying voting system supports tribalism.

kinda agree but i also think there's an onus on individuals to do some homework when they vote and not define themselves entirely in opposition to the other party; look on re, i bet the ones who bother to vote in the u.s will vote democrat purely because "fuck trump and gop are nazis controlled by russian gamergoobers" and probably can't tell you a great deal about their preferred candidate and policies

[kingv]

https://twitter.com/RobinWigg/status/1046183645155926016

We wouldn't want fines to be inconvenient, now, would we ?

They’re probably kind of right, but not because Musk is a great ceo, but because he is such a bad one and Tesla is so over-valued.

A more traditional CEO will cause the street to evaluate Tesla using common sense and the same rules applied to other companies, and their stock would crash.

[agrajag]

Good summary of Bart's lies under oath

[Assimilate]

This Supreme Court debacle can boost republicans to the polls for this election.



this is fucking cringe as fuck. I wonder if CNN thinks this helps the Dems???

[TakingBackSunday]

Yep, you've secured an ignore.

[Leadbelly]

making a dramatic exit from a thread cause nobody was applauding your shitty posts

maybe they were right about the crisis of masculinity

What... No I just found it pointless responding to your moronic posts. It became obvious quick that you weren't actually reading my posts you were just trying one-up me. I'm not playing that game with you.

[Boredfrom]

Assimilate... I sincerely cannot see how you can have that hot take about that video.

[nachobro]

What... No I just found it pointless responding to your moronic posts. It became obvious quick that you weren't actually reading my posts you were just trying one-up me. I'm not playing that game with you.

and yet here we are

[Leadbelly]

What... No I just found it pointless responding to your moronic posts. It became obvious quick that you weren't actually reading my posts you were just trying one-up me. I'm not playing that game with you.

and yet here we are

You mean explaining why I left the thread? Cool. Here I am indeed.

...

[Propagandhim]

Pretty good thread here:

https://twitter.com/ewzucker/status/1046219625690804224

[seagrams hotsauce]

What... No I just found it pointless responding to your moronic posts. It became obvious quick that you weren't actually reading my posts you were just trying one-up me. I'm not playing that game with you.

and yet here we are

You mean explaining why I left the thread? Cool. Here I am indeed.

...

lol "i'm leaving" *sticks around to see if anyone talks about him* I MUST PROTECT MY HONOR

[nachobro]

Carry on. I leave you to your nonsense. I can't be bothered with it.:p

I don't give a shit quite frankly about Kavanaugh

Nah, I will leave you to it. I don't want to it to be about me either.

I'm leaving this thread.

What... No I just found it pointless responding to your moronic posts. It became obvious quick that you weren't actually reading my posts you were just trying one-up me. I'm not playing that game with you.

[Madrun Badrun]

[Nintex]

That's why you gotta hand it to Nintex, he just takes it all on the chin.

Easily his most endearing quality, cause he'd have every right to be pissed.

If he were just generally dumb and not credulously posting racist propaganda, it'd probably be enough to make me like him.

Anyway,
If the Kavanaugh thing blows up right before the election (and it seems to be headed that way) it's going to increase turn-out significantly among the conservative right. As it adds to the 'Dems only obstruct and delay' narrative.
If it doesn't blow up they'll have a big 'win' right before the election. If it blows up and they lose the election well...

Trump's just happy he has some red meat to throw at the base during his rallies. At the same time he can blame the Republicans they lost the midterms because they didn't get 'their guy' in.
Impeachment is a long way off no matter what the Dems say prior to election and as long as he is the President Trump doesn't care that Congress is gridlocked or he's a "lame duck" president.

[TakingBackSunday]

Is there any actual proof that this supreme court nonsense is firing up conservative voters?

[kingv]

p sure waving your dick at someone can be considered sexual harassment, yes

Free eggman

[agrajag]

I'm not convinced the nomination is getting blown up.

[kingv]

 

Is there any actual proof that this supreme court nonsense is firing up conservative voters?

Twitter.

 

[Kara]

They’re probably kind of right, but not because Musk is a great ceo, but because he is such a bad one and Tesla is so over-valued.

A more traditional CEO will cause the street to evaluate Tesla using common sense and the same rules applied to other companies, and their stock would crash.

I don't care about that so much as the economist galaxy brain "fines are paid out of funds that would have gone to shareholders so they're bad" take. That might supplant "minimum wage increases distort prices so they're bad" or "antitrust law is solely about protecting consumers" on my top takes table depending on how often it is used to exempt entities and officers from the (actual) rule of law.

[team filler]

[Leadbelly]

lol "i'm leaving" *sticks around to see if anyone talks about him* I MUST PROTECT MY HONOR

I'm leaving meant yesterday. It is the next day. A day has passed between leaving the thread and entering it.

[agrajag]

[Nintex]

(Image removed from quote.)

"Kavanaugh and Denise were at the house of Denises mom and Kavanaugh opened the cookie jar without asking and stole a cookie. Denise told her parents that the person stealing their cookies was in fact her friend Kavanaugh.
When confronted days later her parents also discovered Kavanaugh had not returned the ATARI games he had borrowed from Denise for over a year."

"In his defense Brett said that he "LIKED BEER" and asked if Denises mom had ever passed out because she drank too much and didn't remember where she was the next day.
However he denied ever stealing cookies or ATARI games."

[Brehvolution]

https://sg.news.yahoo.com/feds-several-arrests-connection-charlottesville-145422878.html

Federal authorities in Virginia have arrested several individuals in connection with the violence in Charlottesville in August 2017, a U.S. official said Tuesday.

Four men were slapped with federal conspiracy charges related to the rallies on Aug. 11 and 12: Cole Evan White, Benjamin Drake Daley, Michael Paul Miselis and Thomas Walter Gillen, each identified as marchers in either the torch rally on campus or the deadly gathering at the park the next day.

"Just another example of good people getting in trouble for things done in the past." 

[Brehvolution]

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/brett-kavanaugh-democrats-ethics-question-supreme-court

The ethical sticking points for Kavanaugh are multifold whether he joins the Supreme Court or stays on the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit, where he currently sits. Kavanaugh's angry jabs at Democrats and liberal groups could be grounds for recusal requests in either court. Ethics complaints have been filed against Kavanaugh in the DC Circuit, including at least one claiming he lied about the sexual assault allegations against him. Ethics experts say there's no precedent for what happens to those complaints if he's elevated to the Supreme Court. For now, they're under the purview of the DC Circuit chief judge — former Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland.

[Leadbelly]

Kavanaugh is another example of the coverup is worse than the crime.

In my opinion, if he had just owned up to both incidents, said he had trouble with drinking when he was younger and has since found god or something and then apologized to both chicks, he would have skated through with 53 votes to confirm.

But now, the lying itself is reason not to confirm him.

When one was potentially an attempted rape admitting to it would be a crime. That said, in terms of the Ford testimony, it was hazy, she didn't know what house she was in or how she got there or anything. She had no one to corroborate her story. All the people she claimed were there did not recall the party. It was a testimony with zero evidence.

So if he did admit to it, then he would be in trouble, but he didn't have to lie about other things. The lies are really odd as well, like 'Boof' and 'Devil's triangle'. Why lie about that? Lying about drinking. I guess he could get away with that actually. He didn't deny drinking or that sometimes he drunk a lot, he denied ever getting 'black out' drunk. He technically could be paralytic, but not actually 'black out' as in lose his memory. So there are things that are odd he lied about, but other things that even if he lied, he probably could get away with if asked to testify again.

The other incidents though, in today's climate they mean something, but if I was to be honest I don't really care if he exposed himself to a girl while drunk at a party when he was a teenager and I don't believe anyone else does either. Not saying it is right, just that teenagers do really dumb shit and it is now 40 years later. So yeah, in terms of that alleged incident, one might think an apology is reasonable. In the current climate, he would probably be fucked.

Of course with the other accusations it is not those accustions on their own but in relation with the Ford testimony which again is potentially attempted rape.

[team filler]

[Hot Slice]

Got my ass downtown and registered/updated registration to vote today.

Office was near empty. 

[Mandark]

I don't care about that so much as the economist galaxy brain "fines are paid out of funds that would have gone to shareholders so they're bad" take.

"The shareholders didn't do this so it's not fair to punish them" ie the owners of a company have a right to profit off of it but no obligation to govern it or any responsibility for its actions.

Can almost guarantee this guy thinks SNAP is bad cause it removes the incentive for poor people to work.

[Assimilate]

Assimilate... I sincerely cannot see how you can have that hot take about that video.

Really? You can't see a problem with emotional outbursts while a guy is sitting in the elevator simply saying I understand your concern but there needs to be evidence?

Or crushing a man's family and career with crybaby antics from the mob is all it takes? (don't answer this, the bore is a branch of one of the worst mob groups online forums have ever seen)

Kavanauh seems like a sleazy stupid fuck but shit like this does not help. It only strengthens the Republicans and the people that see this as nothing more than leftwing hysteria.

 
my concerns! my identity! you are questioning my right to exist!

Yep, you've secured an ignore.

I've never seen a bigger pussboy than you.

[Mandark]

brasil banned mirrors?

[Boredfrom]

 

Dude, that outburst at least contributed to made him accept a FBI investigation.

my concerns! my identity! you are questioning my right to exist!

 

[Assimilate]

Dude, that outburst at least contributed to made him accept a FBI investigation.

my concerns! my identity! you are questioning my right to exist!

 

Ok, that may be so but it doesn't make it any less cringe and hysterical.

What did Kavanaugh even do? I read he was forceful with a girl when he was 17, no rape committed, and he whipped his dick out at a party once in front of some broad?

The hysteria doesn't fit the crime.

[Mandark]

you called him a "sleazy stupid fuck" yourself

just like with daddy p, you don't rock with bart o'kavanaugh

yer just feeling feisty

[agrajag]

Rape survivors are cringe and hysterical, they should just shut the fuck up and go back to the kitchen where they belong amirite

 

[Mandark]

could be worse, they could have been yelling and weeping about how much they love beer at a senate hearing

[Boredfrom]

I dunno if people are comfortable of having a SCOTUS that has a undisclosed history of being a molester and a drunktard.

[Maiden Voyage]

Got my ass downtown and registered/updated registration to vote today.

Office was near empty. 

My ballot is on my desk at home. Looking forward to voting straight anti-incumbent.

[team filler]

[EightBitNate]

I love happy endings

[Assimilate]

Rape survivors are cringe and hysterical, they should just shut the fuck up and go back to the kitchen where they belong amirite

 

So anyone that has ever been wronged should be able to scream in an emotional outburst at anyone they want? Yeah that makes perfect fucking sense.

you called him a "sleazy stupid fuck" yourself

just like with daddy p, you don't rock with bart o'kavanaugh

yer just feeling feisty

Right, he shouldn't be on the Supreme Court but that does not mean I will go shouting at some dudes face in an elevator like some uncontrolled twat.

[agrajag]

Rape victims have every right to "scream" at a senator who is trying to erase their voices by refusing to properly vet a rapist before voting him through to be a Supreme Court Justice.

[VomKriege]

They’re probably kind of right, but not because Musk is a great ceo, but because he is such a bad one and Tesla is so over-valued.

A more traditional CEO will cause the street to evaluate Tesla using common sense and the same rules applied to other companies, and their stock would crash.

I don't care about that so much as the economist galaxy brain "fines are paid out of funds that would have gone to shareholders so they're bad" take. That might supplant "minimum wage increases distort prices so they're bad" or "antitrust law is solely about protecting consumers" on my top takes table depending on how often it is used to exempt entities and officers from the (actual) rule of law.

Yeah that's also what bothered me. You could apply such a simplistic line to dismiss any form of punishment or regulation. Musk not being forced to step down is an afterthought though it does come across as limp wristed. Especially since Musk called off a deal just beforehand.

[Leadbelly]

Actually a fair balanced piece by the BBC. It should be, but that isn't always quite how it seems sometimes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45722404

[Nintex]

Innocent until Proven Guilty

What happened to: "You'd be in jail' Donald. 

[Assimilate]

Rape victims have every right to "scream" at a senator who is trying to erase their voices by refusing to properly vet a rapist before voting him through to be a Supreme Court Justice.

But by the woman's own admission she was not raped. Wtf are you even saying now you fucking lunatic?

You want to open the door to more mob mentality. And even if this tactic worked, again, what's the repercussion of this ? You think this weakened the right? It only emboldens them. People in the middle look at the hysteria and don't agree that it fits. You think that's going to bring people over to the left?

[agrajag]

 

[Boredfrom]

Rape victims have every right to "scream" at a senator who is trying to erase their voices by refusing to properly vet a rapist before voting him through to be a Supreme Court Justice.

But by the woman's own admission she was not raped. Wtf are you even saying now you fucking lunatic?

You want to open the door to more mob mentality. And even if this tactic worked, again, what's the repercussion of this ? You think this weakened the right? It only emboldens them. People in the middle look at the hysteria and don't agree that it fits. You think that's going to bring people over to the left?

She was visible traumatized by the whole thing. Also... mob mentality against the white rich judge that was a drunktard during college but also want to be SCOTUS while not accepting wrongdoing ?

[Assimilate]

She was visible traumatized by the whole thing. Also... mob mentality against the white rich judge that was a drunktard during college but also want to be SCOTUS while not accepting wrongdoing ?

Oh boy race class warfare is what we have now. That always ends well.

And what do you mean she was visibly traumatized? The woman in the fucking elevator? who was the woman anyways? a random fucking protesters?? woahhhh credibility she was crying fellas!!!!

https://twitter.com/mgallagher822/status/1045742922291970052/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1045742922291970052&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fedition.cnn.com%2Fpolitics%2Flive-news%2Fkavanaugh-senate-committee-vote%2Findex.html


The guy did shady stupid shit at 17 years old. 17!!!! So now a man is condemned for the rest of his fucking life lol hahaha man that is brutal. (let me go ahead and repeat this in bold: I don't want him to be confirmed but the point still remains that this is fucking hysteria)