US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/DavidWright_CNN/status/1048300273666609152

Another great play by the #resistance. Such a perfectly executed strategy. Politicians worldwide are in awe.

[Mandark]

the real question here is Has #Metoo Gone Too Far?

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/eorden/status/1048301888490405889
 

[james]

Manchin can suck my dick

Now the news can write about the bipartisan consensus and the fucktard from Montana doesn't even have to show up

[Mandark]

Now the news can write about the bipartisan consensus

you know that's not happening

[zomgee]

Manchin can suck my dick

Now the news can write about the bipartisan consensus and the fucktard from Montana doesn't even have to show up

Yet I still get mailers day after day to vote against LIBERAL BABY KILLING DEMOCRAT MANCHIN.

He did this to save his job. After Collins, there wasn't any point to vote no. This may get him re-elected.

[agrajag]

damn, I hate being right

[Nola]

Jesus this country is fucking disgraceful

[james]

Diving into a hole of Bowsette porn while I blast Evanescence.

Fuck this country. I'm ready for Putin to nuke us. Goodnight

[TEEEPO]

such terrible feels  :'(

[Himu]

Beyond Kavanaugh's entire diatribe and the allegations toward him, his actual record is horrifying and this presents a horrific situation for many of this countries individual liberties.

As much as I hate it, I might vote Beto next month. Democrats need more firepower in the Senate to stop awful situations like this.

[Hock]

Damn what happened to Manchin voting with us when we need him? All those lectures about how it was dumb to criticize him for the garbage he spouts all the time because he's there when it counts? I know he wasn't the deciding vote but there really should not have been any Dem yes votes on this. Republicans will absolutely try to use that to their advantage for November.

[team filler]

https://www.instagram.com/p/BokEGQSD_wv/?taken-by=belle.delphine

[zomgee]

Damn what happened to Manchin voting with us when we need him? All those lectures about how it was dumb to criticize him for the garbage he spouts all the time because he's there when it counts? I know he wasn't the deciding vote but there really should not have been any Dem yes votes on this. Republicans will absolutely try to use that to their advantage for November.

This will get Manchin re-elected.

[kingv]

Damn what happened to Manchin voting with us when we need him? All those lectures about how it was dumb to criticize him for the garbage he spouts all the time because he's there when it counts? I know he wasn't the deciding vote but there really should not have been any Dem yes votes on this. Republicans will absolutely try to use that to their advantage for November.

This will get Manchin re-elected.

I’m not really hating on Manchin for this. Manchin votes no, and he still gets confirmed with Pence. I’m sure that’s part of the political calculus he did.

[Hock]

Damn what happened to Manchin voting with us when we need him? All those lectures about how it was dumb to criticize him for the garbage he spouts all the time because he's there when it counts? I know he wasn't the deciding vote but there really should not have been any Dem yes votes on this. Republicans will absolutely try to use that to their advantage for November.

This will get Manchin re-elected.

I guess but if shit is so dire that a vote like this is needed just to get him re-elected, what are the chances of him being of any use if Dems ever win the Senate? I could see him becoming a Murkowski type for the Democrats.

[Mandark]

I get why people need to vent about Manchin.

Of course a big part of that is we've largely given up on Republicans acting like decent humans and that gives us very few outlets where we can yell and pretend we might be doing any good.

[TakingBackSunday]

really fucking depressed over this shit

even voting this november seems meaningless (don't worry, I still will vote).  Even if the Dems take back the House and Senate, we still have a conservative court that will fuck up this country for decades, potentially for ever.  I hate this country

[shosta]

Legislative branch and executive branch are more important than the courts in the overall scheme of things.

[TakingBackSunday]

how do you figure?  we're going to have a hard-leaning conservative justice system through local and federal courts, who will potentially reverse course on many landmark cases like Roe v Wade and the ACA case.  There's nothing the legislative branch can do considering how gridlocked it has become.

[kingv]

It’s pretty crazy how much my opinion has shifted over the years from the constitution is great to “actually it’s a really fucked up document and our system sort of sucks”

[shosta]

how do you figure?  we're going to have a hard-leaning conservative justice system through local and federal courts, who will potentially reverse course on many landmark cases like Roe v Wade and the ACA case.  There's nothing the legislative branch can do considering how gridlocked it has become.

I have trouble understanding this perspective but I  would probably be as depressed as you are if the most significant forces in this country were undemocratically elected lifetime magistrates. Court cases are rarely overturned and judges are not legislators with political agendas (although I think Kavanaugh isn't impartial). The most significant decisions, politically, still hinge on technical details and good faith interpretations of the law. Think Justice Robert's majority decision on the ACA.

Roe v. Wade is settled. What's up to interpretation is how far states can go to make an abortion difficult or long it remains a legal option for the mother, but abortion will never be illegal in this country, ever, and even if it is it won't be because of some guy whose best friend was named Squee in highschool. It'll be because of some kind of second great awakening and widespread abandonment of modern, liberal human rights, at which point you have more problems than the courts.

[Mandark]

Court cases are rarely overturned and judges are not legislators with political agendas (although I think Kavanaugh isn't impartial). The most significant decisions, politically, still hinge on technical details and good faith interpretations of the law. Think Justice Robert's majority decision on the ACA.

lmao

[nudemacusers]

even voting this november seems meaningless (don't worry, I still will vote). 

Pls encourage you circle to vote November. Voter turnout is awful for young peeps at midterms/state/local.

[Boredfrom]

I am saying I have more... guarded optimism in my hope for the ideal outcome that everything that makes BrandNew upset and angry comes to pass. 

To be clear, optimism because those things should happen, because they are good things that literate people with a functional moral compass should want, not just because they trigger him, though that can be regarded as an incidental bonus, I suppose.

“I hope for the worst outcome because of my pettiness”

[curly]

Replace the supreme court with a revolutionary tribunal imo. I've got some bore posters I'm ready to denounce.

[Mandark]

Replace the supreme court with a revolutionary tribunal imo. I've got some bore posters I'm ready to denounce.

"You are charged with subversion and crimes against the will of the people, under penalty of death. What say you?"

"lol, epic fuckery, the madman has done it again"

[shosta]

I have trouble understanding this perspective but I  would probably be as depressed as you are if the most significant forces in this country were undemocratically elected lifetime magistrates. Court cases are rarely overturned and judges are not legislators with political agendas (although I think Kavanaugh isn't impartial). The most significant decisions, politically, still hinge on technical details and good faith interpretations of the law. Think Justice Robert's majority decision on the ACA.

Roe v. Wade is settled. What's up to interpretation is how far states can go to make an abortion difficult or long it remains a legal option for the mother, but abortion will never be illegal in this country, ever, and even if it is it won't be because of some guy whose best friend was named Squee in highschool. It'll be because of some kind of second great awakening and widespread abandonment of modern, liberal human rights, at which point you have more problems than the courts.

Are you stupid? Don't answer that. Every major supreme court decision this year was a 5-4 split in favor of conservatives that gutted labor rights and minority rights. Idealizing institutions and their constituent members is why West Wing style liberals like your dumb ass can't be trusted to safeguard society and get steamrolled at every opportunity.

[Thirty-Ought-Six]

So this is why voting matters. Not only do the Republicans get their man, they get to fully control a fake investigation that both provides a cover story and allows them to portray the divide as just more ugly, empty culture war. Rather than a backlash against a blatantly lying political operative who, unlike the previous nominee from the same school, had been accused before he was even nominated.

[brawndolicious]

I am saying I have more... guarded optimism in my hope for the ideal outcome that everything that makes BrandNew upset and angry comes to pass. 

To be clear, optimism because those things should happen, because they are good things that literate people with a functional moral compass should want, not just because they trigger him, though that can be regarded as an incidental bonus, I suppose.

You would support using a rapist to deny legal abortions. It's a glib, middle-avoiding way of just trying to trigger others. That's all, go home.

Maybe you can celebrate for a few years as unwanted kids get shit on by society but non-conservstives needed to be taught that it's time to get angry.

[Himu]

really fucking depressed over this shit

even voting this november seems meaningless (don't worry, I still will vote).  Even if the Dems take back the House and Senate, we still have a conservative court that will fuck up this country for decades, potentially for ever.  I hate this country

Watch cat videos with me breh. That's what I'm doing.

[nachobro]

jaydubya doesn't care about abortions cause it'll never affect him. his own wife won't even fuck him so it'll never be a concern

[shosta]

wow, that's a pretty heinous thing to say

[Mandark]

embryos aren't objectively humans

[Mandark]

jaydubya doesn't care about abortions cause it'll never affect him. his own wife won't even fuck him so it'll never be a concern

Whoa. Bringing that shit up is really irrelevant and uncalled for.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Just cause she won't fuck him doesn't mean she might not need an abortion at some point.

[close]

[Rufus]

Not again.

[Kara]

Replace the supreme court with a revolutionary tribunal imo. I've got some bore posters I'm ready to denounce.

"You are charged with subversion and crimes against the will of the people, under penalty of death. What say you?"

"lol, epic fuckery, the madman has done it again"

If the Netherlands wishes to implement tribunals too and call Nintex before them that is their right. Nations should be free to pursue socialism by different paths that are dictated by the conditions in that country.

[Mandark]

prove it

[nachobro]

you're right. that is mean. but i feel okay admitting guarded optimism in my hope for the ideal outcome that everything that makes JayDubya upset and angry comes to pass and his wife will birth beautiful, black, democrat voting babies one day.

[seagrams hotsauce]

embryos aren't objectively humans

I suppose you could only be technically correct in this since your language is vague - if they’re of a different species, they are not our species.

If they are, however, and we are talking about the specific context of human reproduction, your claim is objectively false.

do you jerk off bro

[curly]

I swear to god filler coordinates it so that as soon as one doofus leaves another shows up

[Mandark]

I swear to god filler coordinates it so that as soon as one doofus leaves another shows up

relegation/promotion system, I'm telling ya

[Boredfrom]

I am saying I have more... guarded optimism in my hope for the ideal outcome that everything that makes BrandNew upset and angry comes to pass. 

To be clear, optimism because those things should happen, because they are good things that literate people with a functional moral compass should want, not just because they trigger him, though that can be regarded as an incidental bonus, I suppose.

“I hope for the worst outcome because of my pettiness”

Let me be clear, then, because you aren’t getting it.

Overturning prior horrible decisions like the ones he cited would be fucking wonderful and indicative of a principled and literate character predominating on the court.  It would be *ideal.*

I will say, independently of prolife/prochoice or him being a potential rapist and drunktard, they guy should just not be a SCOTUS just for that rant he did at his hearing. Nobody should be happy about this kind of politics getting more accepted and people pretending they care about the process when having a shit bag as a president l.

[Himu]

Legislative branch and executive branch are more important than the courts in the overall scheme of things.

TBH, I feel like the supreme court shouldn't wield this much power. When both sides are trying to push their own agenda trojan horses into the mix, something is very, very wrong. The fact that Republicans think,"we can use Kavanaugh to turn around Roe v Wade" or whatever and the fact that Democrats fear that would happen is ridiculous. This calls for an endless game of replacing justices every few decades at the perils of generations that potentially don't even agree with them politically. Most American's support abortion in some form, for instance. Yet we have justices that are clearly anti-abortion that represent religions that want to make it illegal. The court wields too much power, is used overwhelmingly for partisan interests rather than those of the American people.

[Nintex]

"If you think I'm going on that ice willingly you've got another thing coming Kara"

[Boredfrom]

Replace the supreme court with a revolutionary tribunal imo. I've got some bore posters I'm ready to denounce.

"You are charged with subversion and crimes against the will of the people, under penalty of death. What say you?"

"lol, epic fuckery, the madman has done it again"

If the Netherlands wishes to implement tribunals too and call Nintex before them that is their right. Nations should be free to pursue socialism by different paths that are dictated by the conditions in that country.

Being fair, I am pretty sure Nintex will end being part of that tribunal no matter what side he initially started on.

[kingv]

jaydubya doesn't care about abortions cause it'll never affect him. his own wife won't even fuck him so it'll never be a concern

Whoa. Bringing that shit up is really irrelevant and uncalled for.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Just cause she won't fuck him doesn't mean she might not need an abortion at some point.

[close]

This is a thing? It explains a lot actually.

[Mandark]

Thank you, you have now adequately confirmed that you are or have become a wretched person not worth talking to, devoid of merit or character, regardless of whatever odious views you hold.

You are a barbarian, and there is no point in talking to a barbarian.

buddy you've spent years insulting posters on this board, I genuinely don't know why you'd expect to be treated any differently in return

like at least mine was clever

[nachobro]

Thank you, you have now adequately confirmed that you are or have become a wretched person not worth talking to, devoid of merit or character, regardless of whatever odious views you hold.

You are a barbarian, and there is no point in talking to a barbarian.

next step is to just post dead children in every thread to REALLY prove him wrong

[Nintex]

Replace the supreme court with a revolutionary tribunal imo. I've got some bore posters I'm ready to denounce.

"You are charged with subversion and crimes against the will of the people, under penalty of death. What say you?"

"lol, epic fuckery, the madman has done it again"

If the Netherlands wishes to implement tribunals too and call Nintex before them that is their right. Nations should be free to pursue socialism by different paths that are dictated by the conditions in that country.

Being fair, I am pretty sure Nintex will end being part of that tribunal no matter what side he initially started on.

That's true, I've been smart enough to leave ideologies at the door and just pick the winning side. 

For starters you can't win if half your crew is against voting because Mass Effect needs to be promoted, they don't believe in it or they see not voting (because they don't want a government ID) as a form of protest.

[Kara]

That's true, I've been smart enough to leave ideologies at the door and just pick the winning side. 

As the great proponent of Deng Xiaoping Theory Deng Xiaoping once said, it does not matter if a cat is black or white as long as it catches mice.

[shosta]

which is a reformulation of the old buddhist saying that it doesn't matter what shape a pot is as long as the water boils

[Mandark]

Legislative branch and executive branch are more important than the courts in the overall scheme of things.

TBH, I feel like the supreme court shouldn't wield this much power. When both sides are trying to push their own agenda trojan horses into the mix, something is very, very wrong. The fact that Republicans think,"we can use Kavanaugh to turn around Roe v Wade" or whatever and the fact that Democrats fear that would happen is ridiculous. This calls for an endless game of replacing justices every few decades at the perils of generations that potentially don't even agree with them politically. Most American's support abortion in some form, for instance. Yet we have justices that are clearly anti-abortion that represent religions that want to make it illegal. The court wields too much power, is used overwhelmingly for partisan interests rather than those of the American people.

Theoretically you want the court to be able defy public opinion, to be able to protect against a tyranny of the majority and to uphold the constitution even in unpopular cases (flag-burning is the case usually cited to illustrate this point). It was basically designed to be the branch of government over which the public had the least leverage, hence lifetime appointments.

My rather uncooked opinion is that the issues with the court are mostly metastases of our generally fucked up political situation, rather than something unique to the institution.

[Propagandhim]

which is a reformulation of the old buddhist saying that it doesn't matter what shape a pot is as long as the water boils

which in turn is a recombobulation of the ancient Xao Shoryuken Kamesama quote:  Women be shoppin'

[shosta]

Can someone explain to me who JayDubya is and why there's an autoimmune response every time he appears

[Nintex]

I'm a shapeshifter more than anything



You should watch the entire Hyper-normalization doc by Adam Curtis if you have the chance.
Some eye opening stuff. Especially because it aired right before the 2016 election and if you had seen it you couldn't be more certain of the outcome.

[Kara]

which is a reformulation of the old buddhist saying that it doesn't matter what shape a pot is as long as the water boils

Dialectics

[Boredfrom]

I think a lot of people are unwilling to tolerate others expressing their Schadenfreude as this was actually expected to happen unlike Trump winning the election, specially since how vile the confirmation process has been.

[shosta]

I didn't like that "documentary" but I did like the chapo trap house episode

[Mandark]

jd, again, you've acted like a huge dick to many, many posters here over the years

if you can't take it, don't dish it out. if you think I should be nice to you cause you were insulting everyone else but not me, that's naive.