Author Topic: US Politics Thread |OT| SAD TRUMP (Read 2967452 times)

Mandark · « **Reply #27420 on:** November 06, 2018, 03:10:51 PM »

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/1059899479401418752

With the caveat that plenty of Dems would justify procedural bullshit if they thought it would benefit them, it's kind of wild how comfortable the GOP is getting about openly making it harder for (certain) people to vote.

Brehvolution · « **Reply #27421 on:** November 06, 2018, 03:24:12 PM »

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Rasmussen

I'm a little surprised with Gillum and Whitmer numbers tbh.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27422 on:** November 06, 2018, 03:51:58 PM »

Quote from: riotous on November 06, 2018, 03:49:11 PM

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on November 06, 2018, 02:24:24 PM
lmao at new york democrats throwing around ideas,"why don't we try to emulate China's score system and screen peoples social media before a gun purchase?"

https://patch.com/new-york/new-york-city/ny-gun-buyers-should-have-social-media-screened-pols-say

This is just stupidly unreasonable; how do you even "give authorities a years worth of search history"?

And they are claiming if your profiles are private, you'd have to make them available.. but haven't worked out how that would work lol

Just a laughable law with maybe a tiny bit of good logic behind it; if someone is making vague threats on the internet it would be nice if we could stop them from buying a gun. That's about the extent of it; how that turns into this completely unreasonable law suggestion is beyond me.

But we have to do something, riotous!

Democrats dip their toes in this insanity quite often, California being a very great example. Yet they're confounded that certain people don't like them. I wonder why.

HaughtyFrank · « **Reply #27423 on:** November 06, 2018, 04:15:55 PM »

Voting in the USA seems fun

https://imgur.com/ufzTDfH

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #27424 on:** November 06, 2018, 04:17:31 PM »

Rest of the country really needs to adopt what we got in Oregon

nachobro · « **Reply #27425 on:** November 06, 2018, 04:18:04 PM »

NM ballots are basically just a scantron sheet and you fill in the bubbles. seems to work fine.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #27426 on:** November 06, 2018, 04:18:42 PM »

Yeah, OR, too. But we can mail em in or drop em off at tons of convenient locations

Nintex · « **Reply #27427 on:** November 06, 2018, 04:19:32 PM »

Quote from: HaughtyFrank on November 06, 2018, 04:15:55 PM

Voting in the USA seems fun

https://imgur.com/ufzTDfH

I watched a video yesterday that explained the process in a county in New York.

1. Take 2 page paper ballot and vote for your candidates (NOTE: only vote for one candidate for each race, sidenote: races might cover multiple lines that are not at all aligned well)
2. Tear it in 2 (because the 2 page ballot doesn't fit into the machine... wait machine?)
3. Enter the ballot into the voting machine
4. Confirm and register your vote
5. Take a dumb 'I voted!' sticker and tell your friends

And people thought the Russians would waste their time trying to hack this shit.

nachobro · « **Reply #27428 on:** November 06, 2018, 04:19:51 PM »

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 06, 2018, 04:18:42 PM

Yeah, OR, too. But we can mail em in or drop em off at tons of convenient locations

that's nice. here you have to apply for a mail in ballot a while before the actual election in order to get it to your house on time, but they make early in-person voting extremely easy so that's good enough for me.

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #27429 on:** November 06, 2018, 04:46:07 PM »

Someone link me to an realtime needle with probabilities!

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27430 on:** November 06, 2018, 04:48:16 PM »

Do all states allow mail in ballots? If they have absentee ballots, I don’t see why they don’t all do mail ins.

Mandark · « **Reply #27431 on:** November 06, 2018, 04:59:35 PM »

Quote from: Cauliflower Of Love on November 06, 2018, 04:46:07 PM

Someone link me to an realtime needle with probabilities!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-house-forecast.html

oh yeah

Nintex · « **Reply #27432 on:** November 06, 2018, 05:05:16 PM »

Interesting to see that in Florida results (or at least numbers of returned ballots) are public. Gives a an interesting look at the turn-out.
Currently the GOP is even outpacing their 2016 margins in some deep red counties

https://twitter.com/ImpsDelights/status/1059883636231680001

Philip Cardgage · « **Reply #27433 on:** November 06, 2018, 05:06:07 PM »

Good luck, folks! Don't fuck this up!

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #27434 on:** November 06, 2018, 05:19:34 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on November 06, 2018, 04:59:35 PM

Quote from: Cauliflower Of Love on November 06, 2018, 04:46:07 PM
Someone link me to an realtime needle with probabilities!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-house-forecast.html

oh yeah

Nintex · « **Reply #27435 on:** November 06, 2018, 05:23:06 PM »

First exit poll

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1059931266169143296

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #27436 on:** November 06, 2018, 05:33:50 PM »

stop paying attention to exit polls

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27437 on:** November 06, 2018, 05:39:11 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on November 06, 2018, 05:23:06 PM

First exit poll

https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/1059931266169143296

Who cares.

Even Mr. "I'm not stepping in Wisconsin" agrees.

https://twitter.com/RobbyMook/status/1059930096528711683

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #27438 on:** November 06, 2018, 05:41:44 PM »

The actual results will be available in a few hours anyway.

Mandark · « **Reply #27439 on:** November 06, 2018, 05:46:46 PM »

Indiana and Kentucky polls close an hour before any other states. Kentucky-6 is a competitive district but went for both Romney and Trump. So probably the Republican will win that race and there won't be any other House results for an hour and everyone will freak out.

Occam · « **Reply #27440 on:** November 06, 2018, 05:49:26 PM »

Quote from: JayDubya on November 06, 2018, 05:47:09 PM

I oppose Trump but pretty much voted straight R

So you don't oppose Trump.

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #27441 on:** November 06, 2018, 05:54:02 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on November 06, 2018, 05:46:46 PM

Indiana and Kentucky polls close an hour before any other states. Kentucky-6 is a competitive district but went for both Romney and Trump. So probably the Republican will win that race and there won't be any other House results for an hour and everyone will freak out.

Sounds like a good time to ride the pump and dump on predictit 🤔

nachobro · « **Reply #27442 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:04:53 PM »

i was real close to voting gary johnson for senate cause it'd be hilarious but he won't win anyway so i wouldn't have a chance to enjoy the humor of it.

there was another libertarian (lloyd princeton) i was tempted to for vote cause his entire campaign strategy was just posting up pieces of plywood around the city with his name poorly spray painted on them.

basically what i'm saying is i let benji down this election and i apologize.

chronovore · « **Reply #27443 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:05:28 PM »

Quote from: Occam on November 06, 2018, 05:49:26 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on November 06, 2018, 05:47:09 PM
I oppose Trump but pretty much voted straight R

So you don't oppose Trump.

Username checks out.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27444 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:06:29 PM »

Quote from: JayDubya on November 06, 2018, 05:47:09 PM

I mean hell, I oppose Trump but pretty much voted straight R

It depends on the Republican.

For example I voted Crenshaw in the runoff, but ever since he has shown very problematic views on immigration. He was strong on it before, but when it was shown children were separated from parents - something I disagree with - he went to bat for Trump. In my research, even those R's who say they're not Trumpists still support some of his policies. So you're not entirely opposing Trump if you vote for say, Ted Cruz, whom Trump endorsed fully.

State and Federal office is entirely different too. The congressmen (both houses) tend to placate to Trump's sensibilities. Some state guys like Hager keep their head down and just do their jobs. Those guys and gals who just do state jobs that make the state function are worth voting for in my opinion even if they're R as long as they're not corrupt (Sid Miller) or incompetent (George Bush).

Once you get to actual power (governor, lt governor, senators, congressmen) I start to have more standards.

I voted D for all of those offices and left a blank for governor because Lupe and Abbot are both bad.

I think you did yourself and the state a disservice by doing straight ticket R. Take Nelson and Suazo.

Bush has been so bad at his job that the old Land Commissioner incumbent is telling people to vote Suazo.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Patterson-Why-Republicans-are-endorsing-a-13246388.php

Paxton is utterly corrupt and deserves outing, and when you consider Nelson's credentials it's not even close.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20180806/ken-paxtons-indictments-now-3-years-old-are-a-campaign-issue

And you voted for...Sid Miller. Really?

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/texas/article/Here-s-why-Texas-Agriculture-Commissioner-Sid-13321459.php

Straight R? WHY?

I mean....

https://www.texastribune.org/2018/09/20/donald-trump-texas-republicans-endorsing-democrats/

Have you been paying attention to the corruption within state Republicans and many R's flat out endorsing D's this election? Why did you vote straight ticket? I'm really curious.

shosta · « **Reply #27445 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:11:12 PM »

Quote from: nachobro on November 06, 2018, 06:04:53 PM

basically what i'm saying is i let benji down this election and i apologize.

he doesn't vote so I think you made him proud

nachobro · « **Reply #27446 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:12:37 PM »

on the plus side i voted to not retain any judges cause fuck the law

nachobro · « **Reply #27447 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:16:21 PM »

man i fucked up, i should have voted for lloyd. he's out here looking like a bootleg daniel tosh and posing with this pretentious hobo (note: not THE Pretentious Hobo) and i couldn't even toss him a pity vote.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27448 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:22:27 PM »

At least you voted against Bush but why vote for Sid Miller?

shosta · « **Reply #27449 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:23:04 PM »

Quote from: nachobro on November 06, 2018, 06:16:21 PM

man i fucked up, i should have voted for lloyd. he's out here looking like a bootleg daniel tosh and posing with this pretentious hobo (note: not THE Pretentious Hobo) and i couldn't even toss him a pity vote.

(Image removed from quote.)

unbuttoned shirt with loosened tie

nachobro · « **Reply #27450 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:28:42 PM »

i love that every google result for this dude comes up related to design and fashion and new york style whatever, but he was running on being a tough and rugged new mexico born rancher (not actually born in new mexico and has never been to a ranch)

just the contrast between the above pic and his campaign ad picture

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27451 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:30:47 PM »

Man, I'd love to retire to a ranch in Texas or New Mexico. A husband or wife, a cat, a rocking chair, a few guns, and people to deal with my horses.

nachobro · « **Reply #27452 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:33:34 PM »

rural new mexico sucks but if you want to be left alone, it's a good place to get exactly that.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27453 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:48:05 PM »

Jaydub and Benji

https://qz.com/1443787/a-libertarian-think-tank-just-gave-up-on-libertarianism/

Maybe there's hope for a libertarian left but would Jaydub vote for them?

naff · « **Reply #27454 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:57:20 PM »

maybe if jaydubya wasn't such a fuckwit his wife would bang him every now and again.

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27455 on:** November 06, 2018, 06:59:39 PM »

Quote from: JayDubya on November 06, 2018, 06:54:40 PM

"Libertarian left" means they are on the left, which means they more than likely oppose free markets and promote socialist redistribution schemes, which means they don't support essential liberties.

Unless they square that circle by saying they only want to choose a communal life for themselves and encourage others to join them voluntarily, they're completely untenable.

Think tank man says, "abandon ideology." That's how you get people like Hillary or Trump. No thanks.

What are your thoughts on the civil rights act? Is it a conventional case against liberty or a warranted attempt to balance injustice and correct wrongs done to a group that were treated as second class citizens? Many libertarians show disapproval of the civil rights act because businesses have the liberty to deny people sale. But what if you believe in liberty but think that people shouldn't be harmed in the process? Where do you draw the line?

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27456 on:** November 06, 2018, 07:01:29 PM »

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27457 on:** November 06, 2018, 07:06:52 PM »

Quote from: JayDubya on November 06, 2018, 07:04:10 PM

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on November 06, 2018, 07:01:29 PM
Me?

Your sin is liking FF8 and I have given you a mountain of shit for this grievous error over the years.

This is decidedly not shovel-worthy.

(Or murder-in-the-digital-realm-worthy.)

But...FF8 has good music and dungeons!

*heavy breathing* *moans* FFVIII

TakingBackSunday · « **Reply #27458 on:** November 06, 2018, 07:10:47 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on November 06, 2018, 05:46:46 PM

Indiana and Kentucky polls close an hour before any other states. Kentucky-6 is a competitive district but went for both Romney and Trump. So probably the Republican will win that race and there won't be any other House results for an hour and everyone will freak out.

ERA is freaking out over Indiana right now, so this post was 100% accurate

brawndolicious · « **Reply #27459 on:** November 06, 2018, 07:18:05 PM »

Quote from: Cindi Mayweather on November 06, 2018, 06:22:27 PM

At least you voted against Bush but why vote for Sid Miller?

What libertarian nerd isn't a fan of his games?

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27460 on:** November 06, 2018, 07:21:27 PM »

recursivelyenumerable · « **Reply #27461 on:** November 06, 2018, 07:21:39 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on November 06, 2018, 04:59:35 PM

Quote from: Cauliflower Of Love on November 06, 2018, 04:46:07 PM
Someone link me to an realtime needle with probabilities!

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/06/us/elections/results-house-forecast.html

oh yeah

Starting position is more comfortable

jakefromstatefarm · « **Reply #27462 on:** November 06, 2018, 07:25:41 PM »

JD, I’ve been wanting to check your pulse on this: can markets constrain individual liberties similarly to how states can? Is there some a priori reason why they can’t, or, if not, why are we still not allowed to intervene in their functioning if/when they do? Also: what is liberty, why does it inhere in individuals (as opposed to, say, corporate entities, guilds, estates, castes, families, whatever) and why is it the fundamental political principle (as opposed to the other two guiding lights of liberalism, equality and fraternity)?

Cindi Mayweather · « **Reply #27463 on:** November 06, 2018, 07:28:59 PM »

You didn’t answer my question about the market and businesses and personal liberty. Do you agree with the libtertarian status quo of supporting markets and businesses over people?