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[Great Rumbler]

Dems are currently holding a 24-hour protest on the floor of the Senate against DeVos's nomination:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/democrats-senate-floor-betsy-devos-nomination-protest

[james]

Dems are currently holding a 24-hour protest on the floor of the Senate against DeVos's nomination:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2017/02/democrats-senate-floor-betsy-devos-nomination-protest

Hey remember when I said they should do this and then some of you political experts said that cant be done.

Of course the spineless dems are only doing 24 hours to raise tweets rather than 4 years.

They need to delay all business until 6pm on Friday. At that point, 3/4 of the republicans will be on vacation

[studyguy]

Was it congress or the senate who made it illegal or w/e to film protests after hours on the house floor without having to pay a fine? Did that pass?

[Samson Manhug]

https://twitter.com/mperelman/status/828633489398439942

any confirmation on this yet?

No.

[studyguy]

http://www.thielforgovernor.org



 

Meg Whitman 2.0 incoming

[I'm a Puppy!]

LOL. Good luck with that Pete.

[etiolate]

Can't believe this comes from The Guardian of all places

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/05/trump-not-fascist-champion-for-forgotten-millions

[studyguy]

Can't believe this comes from The Guardian of all places

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/05/trump-not-fascist-champion-for-forgotten-millions

Nowhere is this disconnection more palpable than in the American midwest, in places such as Akron, a small city in northeast Ohio nestled along a bend in the Little Cuyahoga river. Its downtown boasts clean and pleasant streets, a minor league baseball park, bustling cafes and a lively university. The people are friendly and open, as midwesterners tend to be. In many ways, it’s an idyllic American town.

Uh huh okay...

Except for the heroin. Like many suburban and rural communities across the country, Akron is in the grip of a deadly heroin epidemic. Last summer, a batch of heroin cut with a synthetic painkiller called carfentanil, an elephant tranquilliser, turned up in the city.

Lit. City def turned up.

I like the quick jump from the struggle of the city with drug abuse while ignoring the possible stripping of social programs under Trump's administration but hey w/e. Wouldn't expect anything less from an opinion piece coming from a writer from The Federalist.

[Brehvolution]

Can't believe this comes from The Guardian of all places

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/05/trump-not-fascist-champion-for-forgotten-millions

Fucking lol the forgotten millions will still be forgotten and worse off when trump is done. Then they will re-elect him.

[Nola]

Can't believe this comes from The Guardian of all places

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/05/trump-not-fascist-champion-for-forgotten-millions

Fucking lol the forgotten millions will still be forgotten and worse off when trump is done. Then they will re-elect him.

It really is both fascinating and upsetting how many people in these areas have been brainwashed to such a degree that they continually chase the same fix that keeps poisoning them.

Disillusioned and feeling hopeless, sure, lets vote in the guy that aims to gut that frail healthcare infrastructure and expanded drug treatment, would be ok deporting the slew of green card doctors that are actually willing to go live in these shitty towns. Cut regulations that not only won't bring back coal mining jobs in Appalachia but will probably accelerate their death. A corporate tax reform that's burden will shift toward the poor and the old. Who by all accounts has a good chance of ending up in an international incident where their kids will get sent to die.

[TakingBackSunday]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/02/06/trumps-suggestion-that-the-media-is-ignoring-terrorist-attacks-has-a-familiar-source-infowars/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.2ee5adcb8eae

 

[Syph]

peter thiel stories reminding me of this forgotten gem (a diamond in the SNL rough):

[Kara]

The Prole Whisperers sure have got folks believing that this is the fault of their object petit a, and not, say, the petite bourgeoisie swimming perilously close to the drain, all too aware of the fate that awaits them should they fall off the rotting economic ladder into the abyss, huh?

[chronovore]

http://www.thielforgovernor.org

(Image removed from quote.)

 

Meg Whitman 2.0 incoming

No thanks, Pete! If California wanted a gay vampire for governor, we'd ask Tom Cruise or Brad Pitt.

[etiolate]

[VomKriege]

Heard on Foreign Policy podcast : Some of the executive orders were written by 20 years old fresh graduates.

[thisismyusername]

https://twitter.com/pussyrrriot/status/828972869191360512

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/828939235499638784

[james]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/828939235499638784

Putin blackmail confirmed

[thisismyusername]

And who gives a shit about those 90s bimbos? Christ, you're a joke.

Wow. WOW WOW!

It's like history repeats itself or something...

No one could foresee that a guy who was caught on tape admitting to sexual battery would get 62 million votes.

Oh you sweet summer child (and other such cases, insert here), if you couldn't "foresee" this coming, I dunno what to tell you.

Way to pull what linked rape case did, Jack. True paragon for YASSS QUEEN. I'll show myself out now while laughing at the typical liberal hypocrisy. America will never get over that "these men were all-star athletes/polticians/<insert power position here>! They surely weren't the rapists! She was totally asking for it!" culture at all.

[james]

Heres another thing that pisses me off about democrats

"Donald Trump's got all the money he'll ever need," says Steve Mays, judge-executive for the county and life-long Beattyville resident. The 49-year-old says he's never been more excited about a president than he is now. "Trump will be a president for the common man."

Amber Hayes, 25, stands on the main road in Beattyville, Kentucky. She hopes President Trump can bring jobs back to the town.

 "If you got a job here in Beattyville, you're lucky," says Amber Hayes, a bubbly 25-year-old mom of two, who also voted for Trump. She works at the county courthouse, but is paid by the Kentucky Transitional Assistance Program (K-TAP), a form of welfare.

 "I hope [Trump] don't take the benefits away, but at the same time, I think that once more jobs come in a lot of people won't need the benefits," says Hayes, who currently receives about $500 a month from government assistance. She's also on Obamacare.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/06/news/economy/donald-trump-beattyville-kentucky/index.html?sr=twCNN020617donald-trump-beattyville-kentucky0249PMVODtopLink&linkId=34168327

These people are WELFARE QUEENS and need to be demonized as such.

Take the republican playbook and make it factual.

When Mexicans cant find a job they pick up their entire life and MOVE TO THE JOBS. Thats called BOOTSTRAPS.

These people cry and cry and cry and demand the government bring the jobs to them.

its BULLSHIT.

Its welfare entitlement at its worst.

Give these folks a $1,000 check so they can move to where the jobs are and then cut them off for life.

"We're an hour from the closest interstate," says Cole, the EMT who is also out on the roads daily. "The roads here are bad. We have two lane roads."

The internet is another problem. Cell reception is hit or miss, and many homes and schools only got decent internet access in the past year or two. The local government is trying to find people jobs they can do at home on computers, but that requires reliable internet.

THEN MOVE YOU FUCKING SPONGE STOP SUCKING OFF MY TAXPAYER TEAT

Obama should have "accidentally" bombed Kentucky.

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/FLOTUS

No tweets from "Melania" 2 weeks after the Inauguration. Must be the coziest intern job. 

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/melania-trump-lost-millions-daily-mail-story-article-1.2965735

"The economic damage to Plaintiff's brand, and licensing, marketing and endorsement opportunities caused by the publication of Mail Online's defamatory article, is multiple millions of dollars."

Melania Trump, the lawsuit continued, "had the unique, once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, as an extremely famous and well-known person, as well as a former professional model and brand spokesperson, and successful businesswoman, to launch a broad-based commercial brand in multiple product categories, each of which could have garnered multi-million dollar business relationships for a multi-year term during which Plaintiff is one of the most photographed woman in the world."

"These product categories would have included, among other things, apparel, accessories, shoes, jewelry, cosmetics, hair care, skin care and fragrance."

Maybe her ability to monetize her twitter account was also compromised by FAKE NEWS. 

[CatsCatsCats]

When's this DeVos vote goin down?

[Joe Molotov]

When's this DeVos vote goin down?

Happening now.

[CatsCatsCats]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/02/07/us/politics/betsy-devos-confirmation-vote.html?_r=0

[CatsCatsCats]

Was Collins one of the two or a third???

One of the two. Cmon one more red

[zomgee]

Was Collins one of the two or a third???

One of the two. Cmon one more red

Not happening. Collins was a known flip. The ones they were hoping for were Pat Toomey, Deb Fischer, and Rand Paul. Paul and Fischer just chicken-shit voted at the same time.

[CatsCatsCats]

Toomey yes voted as well. Well, Trump loves the poorly educated

[zomgee]

Years of Texas textbooks here we go

[Joe Molotov]

Maybe Mike Pence will vote no. 

[zomgee]

February 7th 2017: SOME say that man evolved.

PRINT IT!

[CatsCatsCats]

Ugh fuck this gay earth

[Great Rumbler]

"State senator in Texas, he was talking about introducing legislation to require conviction before we could receive that forfeiture money," a sheriff told Trump in a listening session.

"Can you believe that?" Trump interjected.

"And I told him that the cartel would build a monument to him in Mexico if he could get that legislation passed," the sheriff continued.

"Who's the state senator? Do you want to give his name? We'll destroy his career," Trump said, to laughter from those present.

8 freaking years of conservatives moaning and complaining about how Obama acts like a king or is a dictator, but they'll certainly eat this garbage up in a second.

[seagrams hotsauce]

Can you believe someone would expect to be subject to due process before the cops jacked their shit? The nerve!

[Boredfrom]

Even as a joke, a cartel building a monument for a old gringo fart that passed a law they more or less could take advantage is kind of dumb (I really dunno, as it seems that the Sheriff is one of that fun guys that think Mexico in general is Mad Max esque wasteland). If anything, they would probably try to buy law officials in the US before trying to influence politics directly.

[Nola]

Heres another thing that pisses me off about democrats

"Donald Trump's got all the money he'll ever need," says Steve Mays, judge-executive for the county and life-long Beattyville resident. The 49-year-old says he's never been more excited about a president than he is now. "Trump will be a president for the common man."

Amber Hayes, 25, stands on the main road in Beattyville, Kentucky. She hopes President Trump can bring jobs back to the town.

 "If you got a job here in Beattyville, you're lucky," says Amber Hayes, a bubbly 25-year-old mom of two, who also voted for Trump. She works at the county courthouse, but is paid by the Kentucky Transitional Assistance Program (K-TAP), a form of welfare.

 "I hope [Trump] don't take the benefits away, but at the same time, I think that once more jobs come in a lot of people won't need the benefits," says Hayes, who currently receives about $500 a month from government assistance. She's also on Obamacare.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/06/news/economy/donald-trump-beattyville-kentucky/index.html?sr=twCNN020617donald-trump-beattyville-kentucky0249PMVODtopLink&linkId=34168327

These people are WELFARE QUEENS and need to be demonized as such.

Take the republican playbook and make it factual.

When Mexicans cant find a job they pick up their entire life and MOVE TO THE JOBS. Thats called BOOTSTRAPS.

These people cry and cry and cry and demand the government bring the jobs to them.

its BULLSHIT.

Its welfare entitlement at its worst.

Give these folks a $1,000 check so they can move to where the jobs are and then cut them off for life.

"We're an hour from the closest interstate," says Cole, the EMT who is also out on the roads daily. "The roads here are bad. We have two lane roads."

The internet is another problem. Cell reception is hit or miss, and many homes and schools only got decent internet access in the past year or two. The local government is trying to find people jobs they can do at home on computers, but that requires reliable internet.

THEN MOVE YOU FUCKING SPONGE STOP SUCKING OFF MY TAXPAYER TEAT

Obama should have "accidentally" bombed Kentucky.

So just be a Republican but toward white people is your view of where the Democratic party should go?

 

I guess I respectfully disagree.

[FStop7]

Arguments being heard now about the immigration EO.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=229876370&postcount=864

This post didn't leave me with a lot of confidence about what comes next.  We'll see.

[Boredfrom]

Maybe a wait and see before getting worked up by post in GAF? True or not, GAF is going to react in a hyperbolic sentimient regardless...

[etiolate]

Yeah, I had heard there's precedent. The thing is that you aren't dealing with citizens of the US, but movement of immigration from outside.

Order should still be refined until it's not a logistical mess.

[Syph]

Arguments being heard now about the immigration EO.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=229876370&postcount=864

This post didn't leave me with a lot of confidence about what comes next.  We'll see.

Yea no shit lol. My Con Law prof begrudgingly said on day 1 that Trump will most likely win.
It will take a while, and keep in mind the 9th Circuit is the most liberal in the country, but even if it gets to the SCOTUS Trump will most likely win.

the guy's follow-up posts are decent btw:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=229883682&postcount=875

This one is even better:

"Yeah, I read that. I do agree that the statutory challenge is the strongest chance of prevailing. A lot of these other challenges are actually pretty flimsy, IMO. The constitutional challenges may apply to a subset of the visa holders, but obviously not to prospective new visa applicants.

There are a lot of good moral arguments being made here. I agree with a lot of them. They hold no water in a court which is properly carrying out its duties, however.

Congress should have repealed the 1952 language in the 1965 legislation which granted the president such massive unilateral authority."

People need to start freakin understanding the bolded part. That's why there will be so much fake news with every single EO or blowback against this administration. Because people will make moral arguments (and I fully understand where they're coming from) but will ignore whether or not something is actually legal. (because usually that requires reading)

edit: also, if anyone is interested, here are the oral arguments on the appeal of the TRO (just concluded this past hour and worth listening to if you want to understand more):

[Mandark]

The eventual ruling won't necessarily be all-or-nothing. Non-citizens who are visa holders and have already been admitted to the US probably have better odds than people trying to enter the country the first time.

[chronovore]

I'd seen a few articles stating that Trump is running this like a business: they theorized he's starting with unreasonable bids, and expecting to meet somewhere in the middle.


My take is that the President shouldn't act like a used car salesman, should realize that Executive Orders are already a hotly contested portion of the Executive Branch, frequently considered an overextension of power, and Trump isn't much of a businessman anyway -- he frequently is found in breach of contract. Even during his campaign, he refused to pay children performers the amount they'd agreed to, and offered to let them sell CDs at the event instead of direct payment.


Anyway, here's this:
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/829152527220367360

[Nola]

I'd seen a few articles stating that Trump is running this like a business: they theorized he's starting with unreasonable bids, and expecting to meet somewhere in the middle.


My take is that the President shouldn't act like a used car salesman, should realize that Executive Orders are already a hotly contested portion of the Executive Branch, frequently considered an overextension of power, and Trump isn't much of a businessman anyway -- he frequently is found in breach of contract. Even during his campaign, he refused to pay children performers the amount they'd agreed to, and offered to let them sell CDs at the event instead of direct payment.


Anyway, here's this:
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/829152527220367360

I wish I could share that optimism.

The wall and immigration bans tell me differently.

[Syph]

I'd seen a few articles stating that Trump is running this like a business: they theorized he's starting with unreasonable bids, and expecting to meet somewhere in the middle.


My take is that the President shouldn't act like a used car salesman, should realize that Executive Orders are already a hotly contested portion of the Executive Branch, frequently considered an overextension of power, and Trump isn't much of a businessman anyway -- he frequently is found in breach of contract. Even during his campaign, he refused to pay children performers the amount they'd agreed to, and offered to let them sell CDs at the event instead of direct payment.


Anyway, here's this:
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/829152527220367360

This was an alternate optimistic reality I had during the campaign. That if he were elected he'd run the country like a business in the sense that he'd delegate a lot of responsibility to the states or to the people he hired. Of course the immediate response is that isn't what the president is supposed to be, and I would agree.

Also re: tweet that's a great money-making idea kudos to them for savy marketing

[Mandark]

Any time someone suggests a candidate would do well in government because they did well in business, I assume they don't follow professional sports*.

If you ever needed a litany of wildly successful businessmen who fucked up horribly when given control of an organization outside their area of expertise, look no further than pro sports owners.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*Actually, I think they're just finding an ad hoc justification to vote for the person they would anyway cause of party affiliation, but youknowwhatImean.

[close]

[Nola]

I'd seen a few articles stating that Trump is running this like a business: they theorized he's starting with unreasonable bids, and expecting to meet somewhere in the middle.


My take is that the President shouldn't act like a used car salesman, should realize that Executive Orders are already a hotly contested portion of the Executive Branch, frequently considered an overextension of power, and Trump isn't much of a businessman anyway -- he frequently is found in breach of contract. Even during his campaign, he refused to pay children performers the amount they'd agreed to, and offered to let them sell CDs at the event instead of direct payment.


Anyway, here's this:
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/829152527220367360

This was an alternate optimistic reality I had during the campaign. That if he were elected he'd run the country like a business in the sense that he'd delegate a lot of responsibility to the states or to the people he hired. Of course the immediate response is that isn't what the president is supposed to be, and I would agree.

Also re: tweet that's a great money-making idea kudos to them for savy marketing

Aren't many businesses also pretty much the gathering center for petty tyrants, narcissists, nepotism, rent-seeking and central planning egoism run amok?

Because that is what I see/saw with Trump rolling into office claiming to "run the country like a business."

[Nola]

Any time someone suggests a candidate would do well in government because they did well in business, I assume they don't follow professional sports*.

If you ever needed a litany of wildly successful businessmen who fucked up horribly when given control of an organization outside their area of expertise, look no further than pro sports owners.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*Actually, I think they're just finding an ad hoc justification to vote for the person they would anyway cause of party affiliation, but youknowwhatImean.

[close]

I just assume  they don't understand the point of government 

[Syph]

Did Yiannopoulos secretly send more than 100 thugs to Berkeley to break up his own speech?

So let’s see: Yiannopoulos, who is an outsider to Berkeley and generally unwelcome there, succeeds in secretly arranging for more than 100 thugs to assemble in this city and then invade the Berkeley campus and cause more than $100,000 in damage, all to create a pretextual motive for Trump to alter federal funding for the UC system. And Yiannopoulos manages to do this without a single one of the thugs spilling the beans and tipping off the fact that this violent criminal conspiracy is organized by Yiannopoulos, not his opponents.

To even describe the plot is to make clear how phantasmagorical the whole idea is. Occam’s razor applies here. Or, as medical students are taught, when you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras. There is no way Yiannopoulos organized these protests, subjecting himself to serious criminal liability and placing the fate of his career on the sealed lips of more than 100 conspirators. Instead, the simplest explanation is the correct one: The persons responsible are left-wing anarchists, as the New York Times (among others) has described in this recent article.

bingo

[Syph]

also lol @ elizabeth warren not playing by the rules and now making herself out to be jesus
check out those tweets
no shame

spoiler (click to show/hide)

trey gowdy for AG

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[VomKriege]

A lot of businesses are run like shit too. They love public handouts as well.

[The Legend of Sunblade]

The rule she "broke" was that you can't be critical of a fellow senator.

If there were a time and a place for that rule to apply, it shouldn't be the debate for the nomination of said senator for a different position. 

[Stro]

What an amazing rule

[recursivelyenumerable]

having worked for a number of businesses of various sorts at this point, i'm not sure what "run it like a business" even means. like, i think depending on how big is the business, what it actually does, who are its customers, who are its employees, what is its brand image etc., different businesses require pretty different skills and characters to run.



afaict trump's core competencies in both business and politics appear to be promoting his personal brand and provoking controversy/media circuses to incite tribal divisions. i'm not sure how this is what the country needs but i'm sure someone has got an explanation.

[Samson Manhug]

This is a good example of why, even as a self-styled progressive, I don't read ThinkProgress:

The 50 senators who opposed DeVos represent 179,381,386 people, while the 50 senators who supported her represent only 143,064,962 individuals.
ThinkProgress calculated these numbers using 2016 population estimates from the U.S. Census. In states where both senators supported DeVos, we allocated the entire state’s population to the “FOR” column. Likewise, in states where both senators opposed her, we allocated their state’s entire population to the “AGAINST” column. In states where the two senators split their votes, we allocated half of the state’s population to “FOR” and half to “AGAINST.”

https://thinkprogress.org/the-senators-who-opposed-devos-represent-36-million-more-people-than-her-supporters-do-4705655a2bc7#.w8rm6r93h

U.S. Senators represent states, not people. It's called the Connecticut compromise. It's been that way since the 18th Century. This kind of outrage generation is what the left makes fun of the right for.

[archie4208]

U.S. Senators represent states, not people

But what is a state, if not its people? And what is a country, if not its people?

A miserable little pile of statutes.

[Tasty]

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/6oq5ds/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-marty-walsh---why-boston-needs-to-be-a-sanctuary-city---extended-interview

Marty

[james]

So just be a Republican but toward white people is your view of where the Democratic party should go?

 

I guess I respectfully disagree.

No no no.

There are plenty of great white people. Some of them are my friends.

I'm talking about the stupid white people.

[FStop7]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-makes-up-atlanta-islamist-attack.html

Ah yes, Eric Rudolph the Islamic extremist.

[james]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-makes-up-atlanta-islamist-attack.html

They fucked up their false flag timeline again. Atlanta was probably planned for next Monday

[zomgee]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2017/02/08/sean-spicer-makes-up-atlanta-islamist-attack.html

The only attack I saw against Atlanta actually occurred in Houston.