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« Reply #3300 on: February 07, 2017, 12:23:47 PM »
Toomey yes voted as well. Well, Trump loves the poorly educated

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« Reply #3301 on: February 07, 2017, 12:25:34 PM »
Years of Texas textbooks here we go
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« Reply #3302 on: February 07, 2017, 12:25:35 PM »
Maybe Mike Pence will vote no.  ;)
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« Reply #3303 on: February 07, 2017, 12:27:59 PM »
February 7th 2017: SOME say that man evolved.

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« Reply #3304 on: February 07, 2017, 12:37:36 PM »
Ugh fuck this gay earth

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« Reply #3305 on: February 07, 2017, 01:08:04 PM »
"State senator in Texas, he was talking about introducing legislation to require conviction before we could receive that forfeiture money," a sheriff told Trump in a listening session.

"Can you believe that?" Trump interjected.

"And I told him that the cartel would build a monument to him in Mexico if he could get that legislation passed," the sheriff continued.

"Who's the state senator? Do you want to give his name? We'll destroy his career," Trump said, to laughter from those present.

8 freaking years of conservatives moaning and complaining about how Obama acts like a king or is a dictator, but they'll certainly eat this garbage up in a second. :beli
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« Reply #3306 on: February 07, 2017, 02:49:27 PM »
Can you believe someone would expect to be subject to due process before the cops jacked their shit? The nerve!

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« Reply #3307 on: February 07, 2017, 03:10:42 PM »
Even as a joke, a cartel building a monument for a old gringo fart that passed a law they more or less could take advantage is kind of dumb (I really dunno, as it seems that the Sheriff is one of that fun guys that think Mexico in general is Mad Max esque wasteland). If anything, they would probably try to buy law officials in the US before trying to influence politics directly.


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« Reply #3308 on: February 07, 2017, 05:26:27 PM »
Heres another thing that pisses me off about democrats

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"Donald Trump's got all the money he'll ever need," says Steve Mays, judge-executive for the county and life-long Beattyville resident. The 49-year-old says he's never been more excited about a president than he is now. "Trump will be a president for the common man."

Amber Hayes, 25, stands on the main road in Beattyville, Kentucky. She hopes President Trump can bring jobs back to the town.

 "If you got a job here in Beattyville, you're lucky," says Amber Hayes, a bubbly 25-year-old mom of two, who also voted for Trump. She works at the county courthouse, but is paid by the Kentucky Transitional Assistance Program (K-TAP), a form of welfare.

 "I hope [Trump] don't take the benefits away, but at the same time, I think that once more jobs come in a lot of people won't need the benefits," says Hayes, who currently receives about $500 a month from government assistance. She's also on Obamacare.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/06/news/economy/donald-trump-beattyville-kentucky/index.html?sr=twCNN020617donald-trump-beattyville-kentucky0249PMVODtopLink&linkId=34168327

These people are WELFARE QUEENS and need to be demonized as such.

Take the republican playbook and make it factual.

When Mexicans cant find a job they pick up their entire life and MOVE TO THE JOBS. Thats called BOOTSTRAPS.

These people cry and cry and cry and demand the government bring the jobs to them.

its BULLSHIT.

Its welfare entitlement at its worst.

Give these folks a $1,000 check so they can move to where the jobs are and then cut them off for life.

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"We're an hour from the closest interstate," says Cole, the EMT who is also out on the roads daily. "The roads here are bad. We have two lane roads."

The internet is another problem. Cell reception is hit or miss, and many homes and schools only got decent internet access in the past year or two. The local government is trying to find people jobs they can do at home on computers, but that requires reliable internet.

THEN MOVE YOU FUCKING SPONGE STOP SUCKING OFF MY TAXPAYER TEAT

Obama should have "accidentally" bombed Kentucky.

So just be a Republican but toward white people is your view of where the Democratic party should go?

 :kobeyuck

I guess I respectfully disagree.

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« Reply #3309 on: February 07, 2017, 06:18:21 PM »
Arguments being heard now about the immigration EO.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=229876370&postcount=864

This post didn't leave me with a lot of confidence about what comes next.  We'll see.

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« Reply #3310 on: February 07, 2017, 07:02:23 PM »
Maybe a wait and see before getting worked up by post in GAF? True or not, GAF is going to react in a hyperbolic sentimient regardless...

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« Reply #3311 on: February 07, 2017, 07:37:33 PM »
Yeah, I had heard there's precedent. The thing is that you aren't dealing with citizens of the US, but movement of immigration from outside.

Order should still be refined until it's not a logistical mess.

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« Reply #3312 on: February 07, 2017, 07:46:40 PM »
Arguments being heard now about the immigration EO.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=229876370&postcount=864

This post didn't leave me with a lot of confidence about what comes next.  We'll see.
Yea no shit lol. My Con Law prof begrudgingly said on day 1 that Trump will most likely win.
It will take a while, and keep in mind the 9th Circuit is the most liberal in the country, but even if it gets to the SCOTUS Trump will most likely win.

the guy's follow-up posts are decent btw:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=229883682&postcount=875

This one is even better:
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"Yeah, I read that. I do agree that the statutory challenge is the strongest chance of prevailing. A lot of these other challenges are actually pretty flimsy, IMO. The constitutional challenges may apply to a subset of the visa holders, but obviously not to prospective new visa applicants.

There are a lot of good moral arguments being made here. I agree with a lot of them. They hold no water in a court which is properly carrying out its duties, however.

Congress should have repealed the 1952 language in the 1965 legislation which granted the president such massive unilateral authority."

People need to start freakin understanding the bolded part. That's why there will be so much fake news with every single EO or blowback against this administration. Because people will make moral arguments (and I fully understand where they're coming from) but will ignore whether or not something is actually legal. (because usually that requires reading)

edit: also, if anyone is interested, here are the oral arguments on the appeal of the TRO (just concluded this past hour and worth listening to if you want to understand more):
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« Reply #3313 on: February 07, 2017, 08:03:54 PM »
The eventual ruling won't necessarily be all-or-nothing. Non-citizens who are visa holders and have already been admitted to the US probably have better odds than people trying to enter the country the first time.

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« Reply #3314 on: February 07, 2017, 09:32:18 PM »
I'd seen a few articles stating that Trump is running this like a business: they theorized he's starting with unreasonable bids, and expecting to meet somewhere in the middle.


My take is that the President shouldn't act like a used car salesman, should realize that Executive Orders are already a hotly contested portion of the Executive Branch, frequently considered an overextension of power, and Trump isn't much of a businessman anyway -- he frequently is found in breach of contract. Even during his campaign, he refused to pay children performers the amount they'd agreed to, and offered to let them sell CDs at the event instead of direct payment.


Anyway, here's this:
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/829152527220367360

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« Reply #3315 on: February 07, 2017, 10:00:26 PM »
I'd seen a few articles stating that Trump is running this like a business: they theorized he's starting with unreasonable bids, and expecting to meet somewhere in the middle.


My take is that the President shouldn't act like a used car salesman, should realize that Executive Orders are already a hotly contested portion of the Executive Branch, frequently considered an overextension of power, and Trump isn't much of a businessman anyway -- he frequently is found in breach of contract. Even during his campaign, he refused to pay children performers the amount they'd agreed to, and offered to let them sell CDs at the event instead of direct payment.


Anyway, here's this:
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/829152527220367360

I wish I could share that optimism.

The wall and immigration bans tell me differently.

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« Reply #3316 on: February 07, 2017, 10:06:07 PM »
I'd seen a few articles stating that Trump is running this like a business: they theorized he's starting with unreasonable bids, and expecting to meet somewhere in the middle.


My take is that the President shouldn't act like a used car salesman, should realize that Executive Orders are already a hotly contested portion of the Executive Branch, frequently considered an overextension of power, and Trump isn't much of a businessman anyway -- he frequently is found in breach of contract. Even during his campaign, he refused to pay children performers the amount they'd agreed to, and offered to let them sell CDs at the event instead of direct payment.


Anyway, here's this:
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/829152527220367360
This was an alternate optimistic reality I had during the campaign. That if he were elected he'd run the country like a business in the sense that he'd delegate a lot of responsibility to the states or to the people he hired. Of course the immediate response is that isn't what the president is supposed to be, and I would agree.

Also re: tweet that's a great money-making idea kudos to them for savy marketing
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« Reply #3317 on: February 07, 2017, 10:12:12 PM »
Any time someone suggests a candidate would do well in government because they did well in business, I assume they don't follow professional sports*.

If you ever needed a litany of wildly successful businessmen who fucked up horribly when given control of an organization outside their area of expertise, look no further than pro sports owners.

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« Reply #3318 on: February 07, 2017, 10:24:31 PM »
I'd seen a few articles stating that Trump is running this like a business: they theorized he's starting with unreasonable bids, and expecting to meet somewhere in the middle.


My take is that the President shouldn't act like a used car salesman, should realize that Executive Orders are already a hotly contested portion of the Executive Branch, frequently considered an overextension of power, and Trump isn't much of a businessman anyway -- he frequently is found in breach of contract. Even during his campaign, he refused to pay children performers the amount they'd agreed to, and offered to let them sell CDs at the event instead of direct payment.


Anyway, here's this:
https://twitter.com/xeni/status/829152527220367360
This was an alternate optimistic reality I had during the campaign. That if he were elected he'd run the country like a business in the sense that he'd delegate a lot of responsibility to the states or to the people he hired. Of course the immediate response is that isn't what the president is supposed to be, and I would agree.

Also re: tweet that's a great money-making idea kudos to them for savy marketing

Aren't many businesses also pretty much the gathering center for petty tyrants, narcissists, nepotism, rent-seeking and central planning egoism run amok?

Because that is what I see/saw with Trump rolling into office claiming to "run the country like a business."



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« Reply #3319 on: February 07, 2017, 10:25:27 PM »
Any time someone suggests a candidate would do well in government because they did well in business, I assume they don't follow professional sports*.

If you ever needed a litany of wildly successful businessmen who fucked up horribly when given control of an organization outside their area of expertise, look no further than pro sports owners.

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*Actually, I think they're just finding an ad hoc justification to vote for the person they would anyway cause of party affiliation, but youknowwhatImean.
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I just assume  they don't understand the point of government  :idont

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« Reply #3320 on: February 08, 2017, 02:46:51 AM »
Did Yiannopoulos secretly send more than 100 thugs to Berkeley to break up his own speech?


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So let’s see: Yiannopoulos, who is an outsider to Berkeley and generally unwelcome there, succeeds in secretly arranging for more than 100 thugs to assemble in this city and then invade the Berkeley campus and cause more than $100,000 in damage, all to create a pretextual motive for Trump to alter federal funding for the UC system. And Yiannopoulos manages to do this without a single one of the thugs spilling the beans and tipping off the fact that this violent criminal conspiracy is organized by Yiannopoulos, not his opponents.

To even describe the plot is to make clear how phantasmagorical the whole idea is. Occam’s razor applies here. Or, as medical students are taught, when you hear hoofbeats, think horses not zebras. There is no way Yiannopoulos organized these protests, subjecting himself to serious criminal liability and placing the fate of his career on the sealed lips of more than 100 conspirators. Instead, the simplest explanation is the correct one: The persons responsible are left-wing anarchists, as the New York Times (among others) has described in this recent article.

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« Reply #3321 on: February 08, 2017, 02:50:15 AM »
also lol @ elizabeth warren not playing by the rules and now making herself out to be jesus
check out those tweets
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« Reply #3322 on: February 08, 2017, 03:03:20 AM »
A lot of businesses are run like shit too. They love public handouts as well.
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« Reply #3323 on: February 08, 2017, 03:09:35 AM »
The rule she "broke" was that you can't be critical of a fellow senator.

If there were a time and a place for that rule to apply, it shouldn't be the debate for the nomination of said senator for a different position.  :idont

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« Reply #3324 on: February 08, 2017, 05:31:09 AM »
having worked for a number of businesses of various sorts at this point, i'm not sure what "run it like a business" even means. like, i think depending on how big is the business, what it actually does, who are its customers, who are its employees, what is its brand image etc., different businesses require pretty different skills and characters to run.

:yeshrug

afaict trump's core competencies in both business and politics appear to be promoting his personal brand and provoking controversy/media circuses to incite tribal divisions. i'm not sure how this is what the country needs but i'm sure someone has got an explanation.
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« Reply #3325 on: February 08, 2017, 07:31:22 AM »
This is a good example of why, even as a self-styled progressive, I don't read ThinkProgress:

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The 50 senators who opposed DeVos represent 179,381,386 people, while the 50 senators who supported her represent only 143,064,962 individuals.
ThinkProgress calculated these numbers using 2016 population estimates from the U.S. Census. In states where both senators supported DeVos, we allocated the entire state’s population to the “FOR” column. Likewise, in states where both senators opposed her, we allocated their state’s entire population to the “AGAINST” column. In states where the two senators split their votes, we allocated half of the state’s population to “FOR” and half to “AGAINST.”

https://thinkprogress.org/the-senators-who-opposed-devos-represent-36-million-more-people-than-her-supporters-do-4705655a2bc7#.w8rm6r93h

U.S. Senators represent states, not people. It's called the Connecticut compromise. It's been that way since the 18th Century. This kind of outrage generation is what the left makes fun of the right for.

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« Reply #3326 on: February 08, 2017, 07:45:07 AM »
U.S. Senators represent states, not people

But what is a state, if not its people? And what is a country, if not its people?

A miserable little pile of statutes.


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« Reply #3328 on: February 08, 2017, 09:59:02 AM »
So just be a Republican but toward white people is your view of where the Democratic party should go?

 :kobeyuck

I guess I respectfully disagree.

No no no.

There are plenty of great white people. Some of them are my friends.

I'm talking about the stupid white people.
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« Reply #3330 on: February 08, 2017, 10:01:31 AM »
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« Reply #3332 on: February 08, 2017, 10:34:56 AM »
also lol @ elizabeth warren not playing by the rules and now making herself out to be jesus

The same rules that conveniently weren't invoked when Cruz accused McConnell of "a simple lie" or Perdue saying Schumer gave "a tear-jerking performance over the past weekend belongs at the Screen Actors Guild awards."

Really breh? :comeon

The only time it's invoked is in citing two extremely relevant things that severely call into question Sessions' ability as AG?

Really? :comeon

#LetLizSpeak and fuck you.

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« Reply #3333 on: February 08, 2017, 10:44:29 AM »
https://twitter.com/AaronMesh/status/829191252042199043

Someone in the GOP having a spine :rejoice

The GOP not invoking the rules on him purely because he's in their own party :goty

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« Reply #3334 on: February 08, 2017, 10:57:06 AM »
He's a Democrat.

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« Reply #3335 on: February 08, 2017, 10:58:37 AM »
He's a Democrat.

Oh interesting. Still tho.

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« Reply #3336 on: February 08, 2017, 11:04:17 AM »
Huge if true, though.
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« Reply #3337 on: February 08, 2017, 11:29:00 AM »
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“You could be a lawyer, or you don’t have to be a lawyer. If you were a good student in high school or a bad student in high school, you can understand this, and it’s really incredible to me that we have a court case that’s going on so long,” Trump told his audience. “I was a good student. I understand things. I comprehend very well, OK? Better than, I think, almost anybody. And I want to tell you, I listened to a bunch of stuff last night on television that was disgraceful. It was disgraceful because what I just read to you is what we have. And it just can’t be written any plainer or better and for us to be going through this.”
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-responds-travel-ban-law-enforcement-speech-234787

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« Reply #3338 on: February 08, 2017, 11:37:05 AM »
also lol @ elizabeth warren not playing by the rules and now making herself out to be jesus
check out those tweets
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Yea lol @ Warren for....driving home the point that Jeff Sessions has been actively antagonizing black people for decades with unconstitutional violations of their rights to vote. Yea lol @ anyone for pointing out he's a good old boy racist who has said nicer things about the KKK than the NAACP. Lol democrats amirite
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« Reply #3339 on: February 08, 2017, 11:38:10 AM »
https://thebaffler.com/blog/holy-warriors-against-the-welfare-state

Good read about Betsy DeVos and her ideology.
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« Reply #3340 on: February 08, 2017, 12:49:55 PM »
Modern GOP literally out here trying to bring the Streisand effect to a new generation for real.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/318500-cruz-democrats-are-the-party-of-the-ku-klux-klan
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Cruz: 'Democrats are the party of the Ku Klux Klan'
"Jeff Sessions is an honorable, decent person," Cruz says after Warren rebuke.

Coming from the group whose candidate literally inspired klan endorsements and parades.  :doge
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« Reply #3341 on: February 08, 2017, 01:13:49 PM »
Modern GOP literally out here trying to bring the Streisand effect to a new generation for real.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/318500-cruz-democrats-are-the-party-of-the-ku-klux-klan
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Cruz: 'Democrats are the party of the Ku Klux Klan'
"Jeff Sessions is an honorable, decent person," Cruz says after Warren rebuke.

Coming from the group whose candidate literally inspired klan endorsements and parades.  :doge
>mfw people get away with this shit  :trumps
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« Reply #3342 on: February 08, 2017, 01:23:34 PM »
Modern GOP literally out here trying to bring the Streisand effect to a new generation for real.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/318500-cruz-democrats-are-the-party-of-the-ku-klux-klan
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Cruz: 'Democrats are the party of the Ku Klux Klan'
"Jeff Sessions is an honorable, decent person," Cruz says after Warren rebuke.

Coming from the group whose candidate literally inspired klan endorsements and parades.  :doge

yeah, but remember when Ted Cruz posted a meme on twitter when Deadspin told him to eat shit? classic
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« Reply #3343 on: February 08, 2017, 02:15:33 PM »
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/6oq5ds/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-marty-walsh---why-boston-needs-to-be-a-sanctuary-city---extended-interview

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Hey Tasty,

What's your take on race relations in Boston? My wife spends a good amount of time there for work and is pretty much on the "this city is pretty racist" side of the fence.
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« Reply #3344 on: February 08, 2017, 02:17:17 PM »
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/6oq5ds/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-marty-walsh---why-boston-needs-to-be-a-sanctuary-city---extended-interview

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Hey Tasty,

What's your take on race relations in Boston? My wife spends a good amount of time there for work and is pretty much on the "this city is pretty racist" side of the fence.

I lived there for 5 years.

Its the same kind of racism you see in NYC, DC etc.
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« Reply #3345 on: February 08, 2017, 03:24:23 PM »
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/6oq5ds/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-marty-walsh---why-boston-needs-to-be-a-sanctuary-city---extended-interview

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Hey Tasty,

What's your take on race relations in Boston? My wife spends a good amount of time there for work and is pretty much on the "this city is pretty racist" side of the fence.

I lived there for 5 years.

Its the same kind of racism you see in NYC, DC etc.

Yeah, that's the feeling I get.

Tbh I'm kinda too privileged to see it in action myself other than the lack of diversity at work -- but that's more the tech industry than anything.

If you asked me straight up whether Boston is an especially racist city I'd say no, but I'm probably not the best person to ask either.

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« Reply #3346 on: February 08, 2017, 03:47:13 PM »
Spicer told reporters during his daily press briefing that the decision -- which Nordstrom said was a result of poor sales, not politics -- was because of the clothing company's displeasure with President Donald Trump's executive orders and his policies.

"I think this is less about his family's business and an attack on his daughter," Spicer said. "He ran for president. He won. He's leading this country. I think for people to take out their concern about his actions or his executive orders on members of his family, he has every right to stand up for his family and applaud their business activities, their success."

Earlier on Wednesday, Trump attacked Nordstrom on Twitter, saying that the brand treated his daughter "so unfairly."

When asked why Nordstrom's decision would be an attack on the President's daughter after she supposedly removed herself from her company, Spicer said that the attack affects Ivanka Trump because the brand still bears her name.

"There's a targeting of her brand and it's her name," Spicer said. "She's not directly running the company. It's still her name on it. There are clearly efforts to undermine that name based on her father's positions on particular policies that he's taken. This is a direct attack on his policies and her name. Her because she is being maligned because they have a problem with his policies."

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« Reply #3348 on: February 08, 2017, 03:52:11 PM »
BRB dropping an entire paycheck @ Nordstrom.

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« Reply #3349 on: February 08, 2017, 03:56:30 PM »
BRB dropping an entire paycheck on easy D
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3350 on: February 08, 2017, 04:08:28 PM »
My brother went to Tufts and said when he visited Boston he never had any problems, whereas he's had a couple race related incidents in New York. Anecdotal obviously.
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« Reply #3351 on: February 08, 2017, 04:48:18 PM »
Spicer told reporters during his daily press briefing that the decision -- which Nordstrom said was a result of poor sales, not politics -- was because of the clothing company's displeasure with President Donald Trump's executive orders and his policies.

"I think this is less about his family's business and an attack on his daughter," Spicer said. "He ran for president. He won. He's leading this country. I think for people to take out their concern about his actions or his executive orders on members of his family, he has every right to stand up for his family and applaud their business activities, their success."

Earlier on Wednesday, Trump attacked Nordstrom on Twitter, saying that the brand treated his daughter "so unfairly."

When asked why Nordstrom's decision would be an attack on the President's daughter after she supposedly removed herself from her company, Spicer said that the attack affects Ivanka Trump because the brand still bears her name.

"There's a targeting of her brand and it's her name," Spicer said. "She's not directly running the company. It's still her name on it. There are clearly efforts to undermine that name based on her father's positions on particular policies that he's taken. This is a direct attack on his policies and her name. Her because she is being maligned because they have a problem with his policies."

 :comeon

Is getting more and more difficult to identify what is Spicer trying to spin unexcusable BS and what is Trump just telling him what to say.

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« Reply #3352 on: February 08, 2017, 05:03:42 PM »
also lol @ elizabeth warren not playing by the rules and now making herself out to be jesus
check out those tweets
no shame

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Yea lol @ Warren for....driving home the point that Jeff Sessions has been actively antagonizing black people for decades with unconstitutional violations of their rights to vote. Yea lol @ anyone for pointing out he's a good old boy racist who has said nicer things about the KKK than the NAACP. Lol democrats amirite
nah more just lol @ elizabeth warren man
I didn't even mention clown sessions so please don't be fooled into thinking that opposing one=support of another, PD, never that.

i'm just disappointed at the embarrassing quality of political discourse
she got silenced because she broke the rules
rules that she was well aware of
then she tweets out ridiculous shit invoking the name of a civil rights icon
CNN's main headline was "Warren cut off for criticizing Sessions"
underneath in the second largest font was "Senator rebuked after reading Coretta Scott King's 1986 letter about Sessions"
and underneath that was "Senate GOP's effort to silence Warren backfires"
Hmm see anything disingenuous with those? Not to mention self-perpetuating?

This was not some grand gesture to Mr. or Mrs. King. All this did was try and absolve Warren of liability or complicity in his nomination. She could've stayed and made him sweat. Instead, we get "See! I got censored!" This was a transparently political move. Granted, it's a well-executed one in that regard, but it doesn't make it any less disappointing.

Why aren't black people mad at being used like this? When will EITHER political party tackle issues and not race? Why is it always so explicitly "my black friend" or "this will help african-americans" like they're one unit? We just had a black president for god sakes and people still do this. That picture I posted the other day of Hillary hugging a black guy with the words "thanks for the vote fam" as she fades away is ironic for a reason
Why not come out with an economic policy targeting inner-cities, or make tangible inroads in eliminating mandatory minimums?
How about having some faith that african-americans (or anyone for that matter) are smart and intelligent enough to decide whether a policy applies to them or benefits them on their own rather than just saying "look we're helping black people! look!!! please vote for us we think you're all the same and will respond to appeasement!!!!"
I swear at this point targeting sickle-cell would be more subtle than what our current political parties do
And that's pretty freakin sad (SAD! lol)

Like last week Nancy Pelosi was at a rally with someone (forgot his name sorry) after the EO and a hot mic caught her saying "tell them you're muslim, tell them you're muslim".
It's always 1 step forward, 2 steps back

I know this post is all over the place PD (between classes sorry) but my point is I'm not defending Sessions, not one single bit. I'm just saying Warren is disingenuous as fuck and it's analogous to larger shortcomings in both parties of still treating groups or races or religions as one unit and not actual people.
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« Reply #3353 on: February 08, 2017, 05:11:39 PM »
The rule seems pretty vague for the casual observer, Sessions has a sordid history even if is still respected by the house and the letter got read by other senators afterwards.

Sessions is going to be confirmed but he still should get grilled like the other nominated were.

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« Reply #3354 on: February 08, 2017, 05:17:11 PM »
also lol @ elizabeth warren not playing by the rules and now making herself out to be jesus
check out those tweets
no shame

spoiler (click to show/hide)
trey gowdy for AG
[close]
Yea lol @ Warren for....driving home the point that Jeff Sessions has been actively antagonizing black people for decades with unconstitutional violations of their rights to vote. Yea lol @ anyone for pointing out he's a good old boy racist who has said nicer things about the KKK than the NAACP. Lol democrats amirite
nah more just lol @ elizabeth warren man
I didn't even mention clown sessions so please don't be fooled into thinking that opposing one=support of another, PD, never that.

i'm just disappointed at the embarrassing quality of political discourse
she got silenced because she broke the rules
rules that she was well aware of
then she tweets out ridiculous shit invoking the name of a civil rights icon
CNN's main headline was "Warren cut off for criticizing Sessions"
underneath in the second largest font was "Senator rebuked after reading Coretta Scott King's 1986 letter about Sessions"
and underneath that was "Senate GOP's effort to silence Warren backfires"
Hmm see anything disingenuous with those? Not to mention self-perpetuating?

This was not some grand gesture to Mr. or Mrs. King. All this did was try and absolve Warren of liability or complicity in his nomination. She could've stayed and made him sweat. Instead, we get "See! I got censored!" This was a transparently political move. Granted, it's a well-executed one in that regard, but it doesn't make it any less disappointing.

Why aren't black people mad at being used like this? When will EITHER political party tackle issues and not race? Why is it always so explicitly "my black friend" or "this will help african-americans" like they're one unit? We just had a black president for god sakes and people still do this. That picture I posted the other day of Hillary hugging a black guy with the words "thanks for the vote fam" as she fades away is ironic for a reason
Why not come out with an economic policy targeting inner-cities, or make tangible inroads in eliminating mandatory minimums?
How about having some faith that african-americans (or anyone for that matter) are smart and intelligent enough to decide whether a policy applies to them or benefits them on their own rather than just saying "look we're helping black people! look!!! please vote for us we think you're all the same and will respond to appeasement!!!!"
I swear at this point targeting sickle-cell would be more subtle than what our current political parties do
And that's pretty freakin sad (SAD! lol)

Like last week Nancy Pelosi was at a rally with someone (forgot his name sorry) after the EO and a hot mic caught her saying "tell them you're muslim, tell them you're muslim".
It's always 1 step forward, 2 steps back

I know this post is all over the place PD (between classes sorry) but my point is I'm not defending Sessions, not one single bit. I'm just saying Warren is disingenuous as fuck and it's analogous to larger shortcomings in both parties of still treating groups or races or religions as one unit and not actual people.

what is this bullshit
Like what are you even talking about
« Last Edit: February 08, 2017, 05:23:31 PM by curly »

Syph

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« Reply #3355 on: February 08, 2017, 05:25:15 PM »
The rule seems pretty vague for the casual observer, Sessions has a sordid history even if is still respected by the house and the letter got read by other senators afterwards.

Sessions is going to be confirmed but he still should get grilled like the other nominated were.
of course he should get grilled
I do NOT like Sessions
im taking fault with Warren pretending like what she did was courageous
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Re: U.S. Politics Discussion Thread |OT| Twilight in America
« Reply #3356 on: February 08, 2017, 05:27:57 PM »
After the Voting Rights Act got gutted the Obama White House, and specifically the office of Attorney General, was the only major force trying to stop various [Southern] states from clamping down on minority voting. Sessions will soon be in charge of that office. So, King's letter about Sessions is arguably more important now than it was 31 years ago and Warren was absolutely right to draw attention to it. Her "stunt" means far, FAR more people will be exposed to it than if she had simply Tweeted it out.
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« Reply #3358 on: February 08, 2017, 05:33:13 PM »
what is this bullshit
Like what are you even talking about
I'm giving PD the respect of responding to him after reading his post because I wanted to clarify I don't support Sessions.
Have a good day.
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