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« Reply #3660 on: February 15, 2017, 12:21:46 PM »
This is fine.
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« Reply #3662 on: February 15, 2017, 12:57:30 PM »
Michiganders have done so well under gop leadership, I have no doubt that kid rock will win bigly.
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« Reply #3663 on: February 15, 2017, 01:18:39 PM »
“As far as settlements, I would like to see you hold back on settlements for a little bit,” Trump said, turning to face Netanyahu. “We will work something out. But I would like to see a deal be made. I think a deal will be made. I know that every president would like to, most of them have not started until late because they never thought it was possible.”

“And it wasn't possible, because they didn't do it,” Trump continued. “But Bibi and I have known each other a long time. Smart man, great negotiator. And I think we’re going to make a deal. It might be a bigger and better deal than people in this room even understand. That’s a possibility. So let's see what we do.”

When Netanyahu failed to respond substantively, Trump said, "Doesn’t sound too optimistic but that’s OK. He’s a good negotiator."

Asked later whether they still supported the two-state solution, Trump said he would support whichever deal both parties supported.

“I am looking at the two-state, and one-state, and I like the one that both parties like,” he said. “I am very happy with the one that both parties like. I can live with either one. I thought for a while that two-state looked like it may be the easier of the two. But honestly, if Bibi, and the Palestinians— If Israel and the Palestinians are happy, I am happy with the one they like the best.”

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« Reply #3664 on: February 15, 2017, 02:04:16 PM »
I brought some logs to the fire

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Top Senate Republicans have urged the White House to withdraw the Andrew Puzder nomination for labor secretary, a senior GOP source said, adding there are four firm Republican no votes and possibly up to 12.
   
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/15/politics/top-senate-republicans-urge-white-house-to-withdraw-puzder-nomination/index.html
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« Reply #3665 on: February 15, 2017, 02:21:58 PM »
And, regrettably, not because he's a shithead to his workers but because he was a shithead to his ex-wife.
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« Reply #3666 on: February 15, 2017, 02:38:48 PM »
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“I am looking at the two-state, and one-state, and I like the one that both parties like,” he said. “I am very happy with the one that both parties like. I can live with either one.

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« Reply #3667 on: February 15, 2017, 03:30:21 PM »
Puzder OUT

Won't stop.

Can't stop.

WINNING.
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« Reply #3668 on: February 15, 2017, 03:54:21 PM »
How the fuck does Puzder not clear the bar but DeVos was never in any real danger?!

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« Reply #3669 on: February 15, 2017, 04:18:47 PM »
President Paul Ryan when?  :doge

(Assuming Pence is dirty as well)


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« Reply #3671 on: February 15, 2017, 04:26:42 PM »
Reddit has changed their home page for those who arent logged in.

Previous: Directed to "front page" featuring content from 50 selected subreddits (previously 25)
You could choose "all" to see, well, "all"

Now: Directed to "popular" which is "all" but without NSFW material or Trump.

Meltdowns incoming by the fragile right.

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« Reply #3672 on: February 15, 2017, 04:35:17 PM »
Voting for Gorsuch is not going to get you any special favors two years from now when your opponent will be saying the same thing but more intensely. Voting against him will be a blip on the radar by then to most moderates, but it won't be forgotten by an enthusiastic Democratic base. You will end up losing more in demoralized core support then you will gain by pandering this far out to a disinterested and short-term memory abstract centrist voter.

What Democrats should be doing IMO, is taking cues from the Republican party, create a rhetorical message that plays well in these vulnerable spots but is poised to be a tough sell after two years of Trump(think harming the working class, taking away their healthcare, Un-American activity, Washington corruption, disregard for veterans, infrastructure spending) but still fits in with the movement. Influence, don't try and demand control.





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« Reply #3673 on: February 15, 2017, 05:21:38 PM »
I think people should also consider that Political Reality is not equal a Public and Political Perception. I understand that the realities of politics are generally lost for most of the public but perception is also way important

Democrats bracing for town hall protests directed at them ask Bernie Sanders for help
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/democrats-brace-for-town-hall-protests-directed-at-them/2017/02/14/923365e4-f300-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html

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It's a valid request. Bernie needs to come get his people. They're going to become the liberal Tea Party and cost us winnable races.

A Berniecrat will not win in WV in the foreseeable future. Or ND, or MT, where there are Senate seats that Democrats absolutely need to hold. And these are seats that they can hold, so long as Democrats don't torpedo the centrists they currently have in those seats.

The truth is that this people percieve the DNC as weak, spineless and hypocritical even if the Political reality is that there is no much that can do using the usual tactics. But this is a problem that, from my outsider perspective, seem to be made by the DNC themselves during the election cycle so is not exactly wise still antagonizing the demographic that is still political active enough to demand opposition.

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« Reply #3674 on: February 15, 2017, 05:41:01 PM »
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While nothing improper has been detected, the Baltic nation also launched an investigation by its intelligence service into the relationship between Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and his longtime personal friend, Igor Sechin, the head of the Kremlin-controlled oil company Rosneft. Sechin and Rosneft are on the blacklist of people and entities designated for sanctions following Russia’s incursion into Ukraine. He was Tillerson’s main business partner when he worked as the chief executive of Exxon Mobil and is a powerful figure in Russia who is both a former member of the FSB (the federal security service that is the primary successor to the Soviet Union’s KGB) and the former head of presidential administration in charge of the security services.

“Sechin’s power derives from his relationship with Putin,” according to a 2008 State Department cable sent from the embassy in Moscow. “As Deputy Head of the Presidential Administration in charge of the security services, there was little doubt about Igor Sechin's power.  He was widely regarded as a very influential member of Putin's inner circle, perhaps even the most influential, with the requisite FSB background to advance the President's (and his own) agenda.”

That influence, and the role Sechin could play in gaining greater power for Russia through oil sales if sanctions are dropped by the Trump administration, is what made him a primary target in the Baltic state’s intelligence investigation of Tillerson. Yet, back in America, the name Sechin was not even mentioned during Tillerson’s confirmation hearings before the Senate.

That last part. uh oh...

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« Reply #3675 on: February 15, 2017, 07:16:42 PM »
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What Democrats should be doing IMO, is taking cues from the Republican party, create a rhetorical message that plays well in these vulnerable spots(think harming the working class, taking away their healthcare, Un-American activity, Washington corruption, disregard for veterans, infrastructure spending) but still fits in with the movement. Influence, don't try and demand control.

 IMO that's exactly what they shouldn't be doing.

 Democrats zero'd in on Trump being Un-American while Russians were fellating Trump under (actually it was pretty blatant...over? :doge) the desk. Trump called out McCain, criticized Khan, called people with PTSD weak etc. It didn't matter.

 Ultimately the Democrats relied on entire demographics and states and used their negative campaign thinking that it would assassinate Trump's chances of ever becoming president.

 In hindsight, Hillary didn't touch the WWC, didn't touch states that her aides pleaded her to visit, and stood for the establishment that both Sanders and Trump used/exploitied to gain groundswell. Obama himself rode on that wave even though he didn't exactly deliver an anti-establishment presidency. He even tweeted that shade against Clinton after the election.

 The Dems need not to follow "Republican" rhetoric, but the exact opposite. Trump's campaign didn't mimic the traditional Republican campaign. If anything his refusal to follow through made him stand out.
My argument is not to be solely negative ala Hillary. Or in that same manner. It is to find some sort of strategy that  incorporates negative and positive messaging that can be used in these vulnerable districts successfully but will not come off like selling out to the liberal base that will actually be paying attention right now and are poised to be much more enthusiastic. That can also be effective in carrying through and into a campaign season. I just threw out some off-the-cuff tactics I think could work depending on how the winds blow. Obviously for the outliers like Manchin, things are a bit different.

And I try to remember a lot of what was effective with the Tea Party was how they managed to sap enthusiasm of their opponents. The most outlandish charges don't necessarily penetrate the Democratic party, but just look at the ACA and go visit GAF. A lot of the attacks were eventually absorbed into the left-wing without proper questioning. For instance the narrative of Obamacare raising premiums and the general sense that Obamacare is failing and unsalvageable.
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« Reply #3676 on: February 15, 2017, 07:24:08 PM »
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« Reply #3677 on: February 15, 2017, 07:32:43 PM »
A trick Democrats forgot is that people in predominantly white working class areas are very fine voting extremely left economically or at least we're not too long ago.

I'd say if their messaging were as good as Republicans, they could win back a lot of these places. But they still haven't found a cohesive message to drill into the electorate. Reps would be crying bloody murder right now if a Dem president was doing this stuff.

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« Reply #3678 on: February 15, 2017, 07:42:54 PM »
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/15/media/steve-bannon-breitbart-matt-boyle-reince-priebus/index.html

So is Bannon lying about being angry with Breitbart or is someone else (Miller) using Breitbart against their former leader?

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« Reply #3679 on: February 15, 2017, 11:08:32 PM »
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« Reply #3681 on: February 16, 2017, 03:56:50 AM »
My meeting was cancelled this morning so I made this. Already done?

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« Reply #3682 on: February 16, 2017, 09:15:28 AM »
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/02/trump-kicks-off-his-2020-reelection-campaign-on-saturday/516909/

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The president is taking the permanent campaign to new levels with a political rally in Florida—the latest sign that he’s already planning for a second term.

Thank fuck. More campaigning.
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« Reply #3683 on: February 16, 2017, 09:52:48 AM »
RE: Muslim ban

Wasnt the Trump camp claiming that time was of the utmost essence?

That every hour delay resulted in millions of terrorists pouring in?

That the admin had intelligence the ban was needed immediately?

Funny how they've forgotten to fix it. Didnt we all expect a revised EO this past Monday?
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« Reply #3684 on: February 16, 2017, 11:32:03 AM »
RE: Muslim ban

Wasnt the Trump camp claiming that time was of the utmost essence?

That every hour delay resulted in millions of terrorists pouring in?

That the admin had intelligence the ban was needed immediately?

Funny how they've forgotten to fix it. Didnt we all expect a revised EO this past Monday?

Or the administration knew the EO would get shot down in court therefore relieving them of any responsibility if there was an attack. Now they can just say, 'hey we tried'.
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« Reply #3685 on: February 16, 2017, 12:11:13 PM »
How the fuck does Puzder not clear the bar but DeVos was never in any real danger?!

Her spouse didn't go on Oprah back in the day and talk about being abused.

Seriously. The Oprah factor strikes once again.
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« Reply #3686 on: February 16, 2017, 12:30:43 PM »
Or the administration knew the EO would get shot down in court therefore relieving them of any responsibility if there was an attack. Now they can just say, 'hey we tried'.

Half the administration wants to ban brown people, not give a damn about any attack.

Its crazy how easy it would be to make the EO legal

-Allow green card holders in
-Actually have a coordinated release
-Throw in some non-muslim countries with a history of violence. Simply make an excel list with country name and number of visa requests. Ban the bottom 10.

Gabon, Rwanda, The Gambia and Myanmar. Not a muslim ban!
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« Reply #3687 on: February 16, 2017, 12:36:09 PM »
It will always be Burma to me

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« Reply #3688 on: February 16, 2017, 01:12:00 PM »
RE: Muslim ban

Wasnt the Trump camp claiming that time was of the utmost essence?

That every hour delay resulted in millions of terrorists pouring in?

That the admin had intelligence the ban was needed immediately?

Funny how they've forgotten to fix it. Didnt we all expect a revised EO this past Monday?

Or the administration knew the EO would get shot down in court therefore relieving them of any responsibility if there was an attack. Now they can just say, 'hey we tried'.

Given how hard it backfired, seriously doubt that.

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« Reply #3689 on: February 16, 2017, 01:57:09 PM »
Boy this Trump press conference. It's something else. It's just stream of consciousness stuff.
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« Reply #3690 on: February 16, 2017, 01:59:59 PM »
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-02-16/trump-s-f-35-calls-came-with-a-surprise-rival-ceo-was-listening

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Trump, who has repeatedly criticized the $379 billion F-35 program as “out of control,” made the highly unusual calls to Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan on Jan. 9 and Jan. 17. Muilenburg, whose company makes a fighter jet Trump has suggested might be an alternative to the F-35, was in the president-elect’s New York office for a meeting during the second call. He appeared caught off-guard but was able to listen in on the call, according to two people familiar with the calls, who asked to remain anonymous discussing sensitive information.

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« Reply #3691 on: February 16, 2017, 02:05:08 PM »
Just walked by a random TV and heard Trump utter the words "nuclear holocaust" and now I need a drink.

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« Reply #3692 on: February 16, 2017, 03:10:29 PM »
Just walked by a random TV and heard Trump utter the words "nuclear holocaust" and now I need a drink.

Being fair, I bet even Putin cringed when he hear this.



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« Reply #3696 on: February 16, 2017, 03:35:43 PM »
"which online source do you trust the most?"

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This will surely result in fun.

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« Reply #3697 on: February 16, 2017, 03:42:53 PM »
Just watched this shit at work live and some people wandered over by chance just watching it confused.
That was like some masterful dark comedy shit that just went down. All it needed was an ass to ass scene and it would have beaten out Requiem For a Dream for depressing, dark mood coming away from it.
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« Reply #3698 on: February 16, 2017, 03:49:41 PM »
https://twitter.com/LeslieMac/status/832323907822690306

TOUPEE FIASCO :dead
Is that Lupe's half brother?
Just walked by a random TV and heard Trump utter the words "nuclear holocaust" and now I need a drink.

Being fair, I bet even Putin cringed when he hear this.
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« Reply #3699 on: February 16, 2017, 04:07:34 PM »
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I don't think he did anything wrong. If anything, he did something right.
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The thing is he didn't tell our Vice President properly and then he said he didn't remember... that just wasn't acceptable to me.
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This administration is running like a fine-tuned machine

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« Reply #3700 on: February 16, 2017, 04:13:40 PM »
What a time to be alive.  :doge

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« Reply #3701 on: February 16, 2017, 04:19:19 PM »
Reporter: Are you going to meet with the CBC on your urban agenda?
Trump: Who is the CBC?
Reporter: (Somewhat disbelievingly) The Congressional Black Caucus
Trump, to the black reporter: Are you their friends? Why don’t you set up something?
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« Reply #3703 on: February 16, 2017, 04:33:08 PM »
Reporter: Are you going to meet with the CBC on your urban agenda?
Trump: Who is the CBC?
Reporter: (Somewhat disbelievingly) The Congressional Black Caucus
Trump, to the black reporter: Are you their friends? Why don’t you set up something?

"Oh the CBC?  I love Don Cherry."

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« Reply #3704 on: February 16, 2017, 04:37:30 PM »
BAD THINGS.
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« Reply #3705 on: February 16, 2017, 04:55:52 PM »
Reporter: Are you going to meet with the CBC on your urban agenda?
Trump: Who is the CBC?
Reporter: (Somewhat disbelievingly) The Congressional Black Caucus
Trump, to the black reporter: Are you their friends? Why don’t you set up something?

are you not part of the afro american hive mind?

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« Reply #3706 on: February 16, 2017, 05:09:55 PM »
bad things done with ur anus

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« Reply #3707 on: February 16, 2017, 05:20:53 PM »
https://twitter.com/readerer/status/832303185826033664
Remember the old joke that Gingrich was what stupid people thought someone smart sounded like? Simpler times, those.
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« Reply #3708 on: February 16, 2017, 05:44:57 PM »
https://twitter.com/readerer/status/832303185826033664
Remember the old joke that Gingrich was what stupid people thought someone smart sounded like? Simpler times, those.



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« Reply #3711 on: February 16, 2017, 06:07:29 PM »
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« Reply #3714 on: February 16, 2017, 06:40:06 PM »
https://twitter.com/readerer/status/832303185826033664

I don't have audio. :( What does he say?

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« Reply #3715 on: February 16, 2017, 06:40:13 PM »
https://twitter.com/readerer/status/832303185826033664

I don't have audio. :( What does he say?
"You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things."
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« Reply #3716 on: February 16, 2017, 06:40:40 PM »
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« Reply #3717 on: February 16, 2017, 06:44:45 PM »

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You know what uranium is, right? There's this thing called nuclear weapons and other things...like...lots of things are done with uranium, including some bad things.

"You know what uranium is, right? It’s this thing called nuclear weapons. And other things. Like lots of things are done with uranium. Including some bad things."

Thanks.

This guy...  :doge

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« Reply #3718 on: February 16, 2017, 06:52:48 PM »
The biggest fuckfest of an administration in our lifetime brehs

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« Reply #3719 on: February 16, 2017, 07:03:19 PM »
I gotta admit that Trumps soundbites are legit hilarious. "This administration is a fine tuned machine... except I can't get anyone in my cabinet approved"