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shosta · « **Reply #50520 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:17:13 PM »

The one that was upheld by the Supreme Court?

benjipwns · « **Reply #50521 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:23:01 PM »

Wait, so you're out here demanding impeachment's doomed to fail but you refuse to impeach members of the Supreme Court? Who's the real hypocrite now? Huh?!?

Nintex · « **Reply #50522 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:25:53 PM »

Quote from: Mandark on January 31, 2020, 03:25:39 PM

I suspect Bernie wants Bloomberg on the debate stage. Taking some shots at him to his face > responding to a quarter billion dollars of paid advertising with some zingers on the stump.

"Mr. Sanders, some would say that you are a communist Marxist and you would completely the destroy the country and our economy. You are a communist are you not?"
"First, there is a big difference between the socialism that I fight for and the Marxism that the Republicans use to scare poor people into...."
"Sorry Senator Sanders your 10 seconds to respond is up. We'd like to remind all candidates to give short and clear Yes or No answers and don't talk too loud to not trigger our more sensitive viewers. We're moving on to our next candidate. Mr. Bloomberg, who's surprisingly surging in the polls."

"Mr Bloomberg, your ad with the dog during our break was really funny. How do you come up with such great ad ideas and do you think these ads are effective against the hate speech of other candidates, some of which are here today like Bernie?"
"Yes, I think they are very effective and I believe [...] and that's why we need strong and powerful leadership in America"
"Wow Mr. Bloomberg, tell us more. Please here is the microphone. Keep talking as long as you like dear sir

"

benjipwns · « **Reply #50523 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:34:24 PM »

Quote

DES MOINES, Iowa — A small group of Democratic National Committee members has privately begun gauging support for a plan to potentially weaken Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign and head off a brokered convention.

In conversations on the sidelines of a DNC executive committee meeting and in telephone calls and texts in recent days, about a half-dozen members have discussed the possibility of a policy reversal to ensure that so-called superdelegates can vote on the first ballot at the party's national convention. Such a move would increase the influence of DNC members, members of Congress and other top party officials, who now must wait until the second ballot to have their say if the convention is contested.

Nintex · « **Reply #50524 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:40:01 PM »

https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1223375075078025216

Let's go boys. Trump acquittal on Brexit day.

These writers

6 more votes

49/51

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #50525 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:43:23 PM »

Romney redeemed!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

he's not

[close]

Cauliflower Of Love · « **Reply #50526 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:43:43 PM »

Cowards

Occam · « **Reply #50527 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:44:05 PM »

So, the US Republic died 17 minutes before Britains EU-exit.

benjipwns · « **Reply #50528 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:44:39 PM »

Quick, Cindi, call C-SPAN on the Text Us line. "I'm from Text Us. Houston, Text Us and..."

Nintex · « **Reply #50529 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:46:43 PM »

benjipwns · « **Reply #50530 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:47:36 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on January 31, 2020, 05:40:01 PM

Let's go boys. Trump acquittal on Brexit day.

The acquittal vote is tentatively scheduled for Wednesday next week.

Occam · « **Reply #50531 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:47:47 PM »

So was this nonsense?

Quote

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/opinion/john-roberts-impeachment-witnesses.html

"An overwhelming number of Americans, including a majority of Republicans, believe the Senate should hear from relevant witnesses and obtain documents during President Trump’s impeachment trial. Striking new revelations about the president’s role in the Ukraine affair, as reported from an unpublished manuscript by John Bolton, underscore the need for his testimony and that of others.
Yet Republican members of the Senate have signaled that they intend to uphold Mr. Trump’s unprecedented decision to block all of this material.
But turns out they don’t get to make that choice — Chief Justice John Roberts does. This isn’t a matter of Democrats needing four “moderate” Republicans to vote for subpoenas and witnesses, as the Trump lawyers have been claiming. Rather, the impeachment rules, like all trial systems, put a large thumb on the scale of issuing subpoenas and place that power within the authority of the judge, in this case the chief justice.

Most critically, it would take a two-thirds vote — not a majority — of the Senate to overrule that. This week, Democrats can and should ask the chief justice to issue subpoenas on his authority so that key witnesses of relevance like John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney appear in the Senate, and the Senate should subpoena all relevant documents as well.
The Senate rules for impeachment date back to 1868 and have been in effect since that time. They specifically provide for the subpoenas of witnesses, going so far in Rule XXIV as to outline the specific language a subpoena must use — the “form of subpoena to be issued on the application of the managers of the impeachment, or of the party impeached, or of his counsel.”
As you can see, there is no “Senate vote” requirement whatsoever in the subpoena rule. A manager can seek it on his own.
The rules further empower the chief justice to enforce the subpoena rule. Rule V says: “The presiding officer shall have power to make and issue, by himself or by the Secretary of the Senate, all orders, mandates, writs, and precepts authorized by these rules, or by the Senate, and to make and enforce such other regulations and orders in the premises as the Senate may authorize or provide.” The presiding officer, under our Constitution, is the chief justice. As such, the chief justice, as presiding officer, has the “power to make and issue, by himself,” subpoenas.
[...]"

shosta · « **Reply #50532 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:48:15 PM »

Quote from: Esch on January 31, 2020, 05:38:22 PM

Im trying to calculate the outcome that ends in the lowest possibility of America committing genocide. I guess Bernie wins out in that category but based on some of his rhetoric and votes my confidence is low

I have no doubt in my mind that President Recursive would embark on some Kwisatz Haderach genocidal terror to remain on The Golden Path.

Nintex · « **Reply #50533 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:50:09 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on January 31, 2020, 05:47:36 PM

Quote from: Nintex on January 31, 2020, 05:40:01 PM
Let's go boys. Trump acquittal on Brexit day.
The acquittal vote is tentatively scheduled for Wednesday next week.

NBC News said it could be as early as tonight. Although the Republicans might not like the optics of acquitting Trump in the middle of the night.
Senators don't seem to be sure either. Everyone is very confused.

NBC news reporter says God Emperor Trump I apparently wants the vote tonight and the White House is pushing for it.
He's airborne to the Mar A Lago for this weekend's Super Bowl Party.

But some Republicans feel it's better to drag this on so the Democrats can't campaign in Iowa.

shosta · « **Reply #50534 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:53:03 PM »

Wtf!

Mandark, can you call some people and sort this out for me?

benjipwns · « **Reply #50535 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:55:53 PM »

Quote from: Occam on January 31, 2020, 05:47:47 PM

So was this nonsense?

How did two law professors write this and not realize that Senate rules cannot bind a future Senate? I haven't looked into the specifics of this particular one but they changed all kinds of rules during the Clinton impeachment to skip a bunch of worthless process and I'm sure they have for this one, and it's simply on a one-time basis for this specific trial. It's not permanently changing the rules.

Roberts may simply be choosing to go with the majority as well. If they won't subpoena witnesses, he won't. Especially if the Senate isn't going to hear any. They didn't in the Clinton impeachment because they already knew what the vote would be.

Nintex · « **Reply #50536 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:56:35 PM »

NBC News: "Have the Democrats used their last arrow against this President"

Mandark · « **Reply #50537 on:** January 31, 2020, 05:59:21 PM »

The Clinton trial happened after the GOP lost seats in the midterms, Clinton was at like 60% approval, and even back then they knew that calling on Lewinsky to ask about her sex life would be a bad look. At that point they just wanted to rip off the band aid.

benjipwns · « **Reply #50538 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:11:01 PM »

Quote from: Esch on January 31, 2020, 05:58:43 PM

Sometimes the rule of law really isn't that important even when this topic generates 10 pages a day on its application in *checks notes* the United States of America.

Quote from: Peter Kropotkin

Legislators confounded in one code the two currents of custom of which we have just been speaking, the maxims which represent principles of morality and social union wrought out as a result of life in common, and the mandates which are meant to ensure external existence to inequality.

Customs, absolutely essential to the very being of society, are, in the code, cleverly intermingled with usages imposed by the ruling caste, and both claim equal respect from the crowd. “Do not kill,” says the code, and hastens to add, “And pay tithes to the priest.” “Do not steal,” says the code, and immediately after, “He who refuses to pay taxes, shall have his hand struck off.”

Such was law; and it has maintained its two-fold character to this day. Its origin is the desire of the ruling class to give permanence to customs imposed by themselves for their own advantage. Its character is the skillful commingling of customs useful to society, customs which have no need of law to insure respect, with other customs useful only to rulers, injurious to the mass of the people, and maintained only by the fear of punishment.

Occam · « **Reply #50539 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:19:28 PM »

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Occam · « **Reply #50540 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:22:58 PM »

The wrong side of history:

nachobro · « **Reply #50541 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:23:27 PM »

Nintex · « **Reply #50542 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:26:58 PM »

Strange, Mitch does kinda look like Jar Jar Binks too

Occam · « **Reply #50543 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:27:28 PM »

https://twitter.com/morethanmySLE/status/1223379553986535424

BisMarckie · « **Reply #50544 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:28:24 PM »

Gonna need 51 nicknames for these people ASAP

Occam · « **Reply #50545 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:32:18 PM »

One for all should suffice: Traitors.

Nintex · « **Reply #50546 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:32:23 PM »

Ted certainly got a glow up from being an awkward fuck up who elbowed his own wife to the most popular podcast host of this moment when he joined the Trump mob.

Occam · « **Reply #50547 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:33:57 PM »

https://twitter.com/KristinMinkDC/status/1223378416017256449

The new "GOP" theme song.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulLidicul/status/1223306741976162304

benjipwns · « **Reply #50548 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:47:21 PM »

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Press-Citizen Editorial Board endorses Amy Klobuchar for Iowa Caucus 2020

When Sen. Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota showed up in Iowa City in May 2019, she was just another presidential hopeful roaming the streets, but even then, she had the right thesis for Democrats in a post-2016 America:

"I truly believe if you are going to run for president, you should have some ideas. You should have a way to pay for them and a way to get them done," Klobuchar told a packed room at the Mill Restaurant on May 4, 2019.

A key point to Klobuchar's post-Trump America is nothing happens if we cannot get things done. That means flipping Republican seats in Congress, collaborating with Republicans when possible and, importantly, passing legislation. As the board sees it, the country needs change, but that change will only come from a party headed by a president who has the capacity to unify our country. That means avoiding candidates that scare off would-be collaborators.

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Kelly Shaw, the Republican Mayor of Indianola, announced today he will switch parties and caucus for Senator Amy Klobuchar for president on February 3.

“Those of you who know me, and there are several of you here in the community that know me, would be surprised I would be up here stumping for a Democratic candidate,” Shaw said at an event Friday afternoon. “I do come from the Republican side, having worked in the House of Representatives at the US level for a Republican who has long since moved to lobbying ranks.”

Shaw used to work for Iowa Congressman Jim Lightfoot.

“But, as I began to look around and began to look at the issues that face Indianola as a community and began to look at different candidates that were out there, certainly Senator Klobuchar rose to the top,” Shaw said. “I applaud her in terms of her common sense approach to policy and her ability to reach across the aisle.”

Shaw was elected in a non-partisan election as Mayor of Indianola in 2017.

He holds a Ph.D in political science from the University of Missouri and is a political science professor at Iowa State University and the University of Iowa.

Shaw said it was one of his students who really introduced him to Klobuchar.

“She talked about what a pragmatic, practical and caring person Senator Klobuchar was. That’s all it took for this recovering Republican to endorse your mother,” Shaw told Klobuchar’s daughter, Abigail Bessler, who was also at the event in Indianola.

AMY FOR AMERICA

benjipwns · « **Reply #50549 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:50:12 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on January 31, 2020, 05:34:24 PM

Quote
DES MOINES, Iowa — A small group of Democratic National Committee members has privately begun gauging support for a plan to potentially weaken Bernie Sanders' presidential campaign and head off a brokered convention.

In conversations on the sidelines of a DNC executive committee meeting and in telephone calls and texts in recent days, about a half-dozen members have discussed the possibility of a policy reversal to ensure that so-called superdelegates can vote on the first ballot at the party's national convention. Such a move would increase the influence of DNC members, members of Congress and other top party officials, who now must wait until the second ballot to have their say if the convention is contested.

Story is up now: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/31/dnc-superdelegates-110083

Quote

More likely is a bid to rewrite the rules after the convention in Milwaukee — not for this year’s nominating contest, but for 2024.

Fowler said that “there’s a great anticipation that after this convention, there will be an effort to adopt the old rules … There are a lot of people who are interested in that.”

Occam · « **Reply #50550 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:53:20 PM »

In other news:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-war-landmines-idUSKBN1ZU2GA

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump on Friday relaxed Obama-era restrictions on the U.S. military’s use of anti-personnel land mines, arguing that the previous policy could put American troops at a “severe disadvantage.”

(More than 160 countries have banned landmines).

Nintex · « **Reply #50551 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:54:00 PM »

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1223392317266153472

CNN makes it official

BisMarckie · « **Reply #50552 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:54:07 PM »

Quote from: Occam on January 31, 2020, 06:33:57 PM

(Image removed from quote.)

https://twitter.com/KristinMinkDC/status/1223378416017256449

The new "GOP" theme song.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PaulLidicul/status/1223306741976162304

lol, how can people be so upset about something which was so clear how it would turn out? I knew it, and i probably know less about the US legislative and executive branch than Nintex.

BisMarckie · « **Reply #50553 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:55:10 PM »

Editing wikipedia articles was funny or meaningful once or twice in 2005.

benjipwns · « **Reply #50554 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:55:53 PM »

Mitt Romney just became the compromise candidate at the contested 2020 DNC.

benjipwns · « **Reply #50555 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:57:11 PM »

shosta,

I would have voted Aye btw.

Nintex · « **Reply #50556 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:57:21 PM »

https://twitter.com/jeffzeleny/status/1223376255598370816

Occam · « **Reply #50557 on:** January 31, 2020, 06:59:07 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on January 31, 2020, 06:55:53 PM

Mitt Romney just became the compromise candidate at the contested 2020 DNC.

I have a feeling that was a sham, too. Let's see if Trump blasts Romney on twitter. If he doesn't, his vote was probably coordinated with McConnell.

Nintex · « **Reply #50558 on:** January 31, 2020, 07:10:31 PM »

Hillary Clinton has conceded
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1223378977219280897

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1223397756867436546

benjipwns · « **Reply #50559 on:** January 31, 2020, 07:12:12 PM »

the funniest thing would be to have Trump give the State of the Union on Tuesday and then convict him on Wednesday

Nintex · « **Reply #50560 on:** January 31, 2020, 07:38:02 PM »

Anyhow this was some good practice for November 2020. Let's keep this energy going folks, great posting all around.

Trent Dole · « **Reply #50561 on:** January 31, 2020, 07:40:13 PM »

Hillary's raging at Bernie only make me like him more. What other candidate's victory would piss off both of the evil hyper entitled fucks who ran in '16?

benjipwns · « **Reply #50562 on:** January 31, 2020, 07:48:26 PM »

Occam, building on your question earlier and my speculation that Roberts may not want to over involve himself:
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1223400088615211008

Occam · « **Reply #50563 on:** January 31, 2020, 07:53:47 PM »

Thank you.

Skullfuckers Anonymous · « **Reply #50564 on:** January 31, 2020, 07:58:38 PM »

Quote from: Nintex on January 31, 2020, 07:10:31 PM

Hillary Clinton has conceded
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1223378977219280897

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1223397756867436546

Christ almighty Hillary is salty.

Quote

Some of her most notable remarks in the podcast interview were about the aftermath of the 2016 primary. At one point, Ms. Tisch Sussman asked Mrs. Clinton of Mr. Sanders, “What do you think that he can do — whether he’s the nominee or not the nominee — to help get to that point of unifying people against Trump?”

“Well, he can do it, for one,” Mrs. Clinton said with a big laugh. “That’s not our experience from 2016.”

She said that she had “very honest, very open” conversations with Mr. Obama in 2008 and that she fully embraced his bid for the White House.

“So fast forward. I mean, you had, unfortunately, a very different outcome in the 2016 primary, where I won by four million votes. I won overwhelmingly in delegates,” Mrs. Clinton said. “There was no question about who was going to be the nominee. But unfortunately, you know, his campaign and his principal supporters were just very difficult and really, constantly not just attacking me, but my supporters.”

“We get to the convention,” she continued. “They’re booing Michelle Obama, John Lewis. It was very distressing and such a contrast between what we did to unite in ’08.”

Very honest, very open!

benjipwns · « **Reply #50565 on:** January 31, 2020, 08:04:09 PM »

Come on Hillary, there's still room on the Bloomberg/Amy for America train!

Nintex · « **Reply #50566 on:** January 31, 2020, 08:15:14 PM »

https://twitter.com/EdRollins/status/1223410271777099777

tl:dr;

Bolton is a traitor
Collins is already dead and Romney will be impeached
Trump says this is the happy period.

You're watching Fox Business

thisismyusername · « **Reply #50567 on:** January 31, 2020, 08:45:54 PM »

https://twitter.com/MorningConsult/status/1223342262781972481

Hilaryious Morrisette right now:

"DEM TOXIC QUEER BERNIEBROS THO!!!!!!! BIDET WILL WIN!!!!!!!"

"BUT THE ALL PRIMARY HAS HIM (BIDEN) IN THE LEAD!!!!!!"

Last Gasps of NeoLiberalism defense hopefully dying as Communism washes over America. #Blessed

benjipwns · « **Reply #50568 on:** January 31, 2020, 09:14:53 PM »

Quote from: Cauliflower Of Love on January 30, 2020, 08:09:12 PM

Anyone have a link/list to senators up for re election this year?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_United_States_Senate_elections

CatsCatsCats · « **Reply #50569 on:** January 31, 2020, 09:18:36 PM »

I’m starting to think Hilldawg is playing 4D chess to get Bernie elected for some reason

benjipwns · « **Reply #50570 on:** January 31, 2020, 09:27:34 PM »

Trying to get him the nomination, so then she can help get him destroyed by more than she was.

Tripon · « **Reply #50571 on:** January 31, 2020, 09:34:37 PM »

Quote from: benjipwns on January 31, 2020, 09:27:34 PM

Trying to get him the nomination, so then she can help get him destroyed by more than she was.

Hillary lowkey hating on Biden by not helping him win.

shosta · « **Reply #50572 on:** January 31, 2020, 09:51:30 PM »

Whenever I see hillary stuff I just don't interact with it at all. People have just as much responsibility as she does to put the 2016 stuff to rest.

Tripon · « **Reply #50573 on:** January 31, 2020, 09:55:24 PM »

https://twitter.com/ccadelago/status/1223397734167797760

Campaign staffers eating good.

shosta · « **Reply #50574 on:** January 31, 2020, 09:55:33 PM »

THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY:

kingv · « **Reply #50575 on:** January 31, 2020, 09:55:49 PM »

Quote from: Skullfuckers Anonymous on January 31, 2020, 07:58:38 PM

Quote from: Nintex on January 31, 2020, 07:10:31 PM
Hillary Clinton has conceded
https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1223378977219280897

https://twitter.com/ShaneGoldmacher/status/1223397756867436546

Christ almighty Hillary is salty.

Quote
Some of her most notable remarks in the podcast interview were about the aftermath of the 2016 primary. At one point, Ms. Tisch Sussman asked Mrs. Clinton of Mr. Sanders, “What do you think that he can do — whether he’s the nominee or not the nominee — to help get to that point of unifying people against Trump?”

“Well, he can do it, for one,” Mrs. Clinton said with a big laugh. “That’s not our experience from 2016.”

She said that she had “very honest, very open” conversations with Mr. Obama in 2008 and that she fully embraced his bid for the White House.

“So fast forward. I mean, you had, unfortunately, a very different outcome in the 2016 primary, where I won by four million votes. I won overwhelmingly in delegates,” Mrs. Clinton said. “There was no question about who was going to be the nominee. But unfortunately, you know, his campaign and his principal supporters were just very difficult and really, constantly not just attacking me, but my supporters.”

“We get to the convention,” she continued. “They’re booing Michelle Obama, John Lewis. It was very distressing and such a contrast between what we did to unite in ’08.”

Very honest, very open!

Acting like Pumas didn’t exist and Bernie didn’t do like 45 campaign events for her, and she didn’t write him a thank you note is peak HRC.

And people wonder how Trump beat her.

benjipwns · « **Reply #50576 on:** January 31, 2020, 09:56:12 PM »

Quote from: shosta on January 31, 2020, 09:51:30 PM

Whenever I see hillary stuff I just don't interact with it at all. People have just as much responsibility as she does to put the 2016 stuff to rest.

shosta · « **Reply #50577 on:** January 31, 2020, 09:58:36 PM »

It's true, though. How much of a pissbaby do you have to be to seize on one sentence she says in an interview - where she's being asked about this stuff, so of course she's going to talk about - and throw a tantrum over it. Like, how pathetic is your life?

benjipwns · « **Reply #50578 on:** January 31, 2020, 10:00:37 PM »

I'm touched that you asked because you see I've been thinking a lot and oh... you're being rhetorical aren't you.

shosta · « **Reply #50579 on:** January 31, 2020, 10:02:37 PM »

In your retirement years, it's important to get out of the house and talk to people.